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EyeMaster
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:39:00 -
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Ive had my dictor bubbles yank people out of warp early ive managed to pull em 60km or so short of the gate. However they dont pull you into the bubble like the anchored versions, you just end up sitting on the outer edge.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:02:00 -
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Uh, they pull you a little into it, but you only have to back out a few hundred meters.
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Leno
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.10 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: El'hith
Originally by: Leno I must be dumb but...
If he warps in at 0.... what good is the bubble again? I mean regular bubbles can pull u in out of place and stuff, but i havent seen that happen with a dictor bubble to my knowledge.
so i ask again, what difference would a dictor bubble make?
stop them warping off the gate
so they can camp a gate to a high sec system
wait for gait activation and then dictor bubble them up meaning they cant warp out in the 1st place.
Pass comment on whether it should be done or not...
well this is no different then before where they always had to use scramblers, i see no reason to change that for something that could really screw with gameplay. Granted if dictor is then flagged like normal and to sentries then i dont see why not --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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Fto Cruise
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:00:00 -
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No need for bubbles in low sec. Just remove the sentry guns instead, so tacklers can be used.
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Miz Cenuij
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.11.10 17:28:00 -
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The sentry guns will wtf pwn the dictor tho when it deloys the bubble..
Warp to 0.0 is the lamest change CCP have implemented to date and is another step towards makeing EVE a consent only PvP environment.
Lame. Three and a half years invested in this game and now CCP turn it into carebears online, its of little wonder I no longer log in.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.10 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 10/11/2006 20:17:11 Not a good idea. Okay, with anchored bubbles you could basically set up a 100% kill-rate gate camp along a trade route between empires: just pull people 30 clicks off the gate into the crosshairs of a group of blasterthrons. I don't know as much about what you can do with interdictors, but I do know that permitting them will result in lowsec becoming much, much more lethal-- which it's already doing with the improved scan probes.
Look, people, do you want more potential targets strolling blithely through your territory? Or less? 0 km warp doesn't give them much more security, but it'll make them -think- they have way more, because an awful lot of them are naiive enough to think like Miz Cenuij. The defensive advantage of 0 km warp isn't even really in the fact that targets can just slip through your nets; it's in the fact that they can slip through -without having to line themselves up for an insta first.-
I agree with those who say lowsec rewards should be boosted. I also can see the argument for removing the sentry guns, though that'll make escaping gate camps much, much harder (since frigates lock so much faster than BS).
But no bubbles. Please, no bubbles; I want to see the population spread out enough to give you lot some targets to hunt.
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BaronWaste
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.10 21:48:00 -
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What exactly prevents you from killing people as they jump in? So waah, pirates get half the kills we normally do by gate camping I'm sure we'll get over it. Better to have half the targets than none of the targets at all, which is what will happen if they implement what you're saying.
If anything, low sec needs to become more attractive for people, like better belt rats and stuff. Pirating will become a lost cause if no one wants to go to low-sec period.
Now if there were some way to put up a dictor bubble in empire that ONLY caught people you were at war with....I'm all for that. heh
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.11.12 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 12/11/2006 02:27:26 Baron is right on the money. You guys are cutting your own throat if you think bubbles or any other sort of security nerf is a good idea in lowsec.
Lets see, risk/reward blows AS IS for lowsec now creating often sparsely populated areas. Why do you think it would improve your income/fun if lowsec got even MORE risky?
Joe Hauler and Random McJoe and Miner McMine are gonna avoid it like the **** plague.
Missioning in Low Sec now? Pfft, with the WCS Nerf who do you think is gonna be flying around solo now in BS with Faction PVE gear missioning?
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:32:00 -
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allowing bubbles of any sort in low sec will just be a mess. as will allowing warp to 0km.
Because I said so...
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umah
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Posted - 2006.11.12 17:54:00 -
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I agree,
you should be allowed to deploy ur bubble, and get spanked by Concord when the first ship gets interdicted
Originally by: Xsag why cant u use dictor bubbles anywhere u like ??? if its a piece of equipment you should be able to turn it on any time you **** well like shouldnt you???
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Riddick06
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:07:00 -
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dictor bubbles will just be to over-powered in low sec it would be almost like 0.0.
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Elseenas
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:49:00 -
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Wait.
So my understanding is that even if the change goes through, the only thing it will change is to add a "warp to 0" (basically an insta), but that autopilot will still drop people off at 15 km.
So, if that's true, then the only thing that will change is that people who before lacked the skills, money, or a corp to get an insta set and/or just used autopilot were the only people you could attack at gates.
Now all you will get are the people who used autopilot. Oh dear its the end of PvP as we know it!
Gate camps in 0.0 are often highly successful without bubbles, and out there just about everyone has instas (albeit not everyone uses said instas), so its no different from the way things are hopefully going. What on earth makes you think that this kills lowsec PvP totally?
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:20:00 -
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BTW guys, during the Q&A session at the fanfest Oveur said they are deffo looking at unnerfing dictors so they can drop bubbles in low sec.
Max
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dennyreborn
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:46:00 -
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changes are a great boost to eve.
ganking noobs at gates in low sec is pretty much all this removes. you can still get people on the inbound side of gates ( use a alt to see when they are coming.) You can still get frigs and inty at the gate just use a suicide frig rigged for target speed and scrambling. scramble gates pop frig by the time he can warp something that can tank the sentries should be able to target him.
No one ever said pirating is easy if you cant deal with it go mine roids with the otehr carebears.
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Zandramus
Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:19:00 -
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during the eve tv showing at fanfest they said they were looking into allowed dictor bubbles in low sec.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.14 01:04:00 -
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I cant believe I am about to post this but here goes...
just go claim a 0.0 system.
Basically, your saying. Oh noes CCP, I cant sit in my sniper and kill ppl so make it easy for me!!!
Hey i enjoy t2 loot like the next guy, but this breaks the balance in low sec. Warp into a bubble and die from a sniper @ 160km who is safe from sentry fire?
hahaha, sure get a clue
If u can launch a bubble then the ship draws agro. Simple. Dont like that idea?
Or perhaps lets get rid of system sec status and lets just all shooty each other. I am up for that.
Seriously, I agree low sec rewards suck but this aint the solution doods.
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kill0rbunny
Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:26:00 -
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People complainin about the 0km warp are imho just not smart enough to set up a prober gate camp. Those should play World of Warcraft instead and kill Newbies with a Highlevel Char. Still wouldn't need to use your brains too much. Or grow some balls instead.
This option makes the game much faster and less laggy, I absolutely appreciate it.
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Natas Dog
Caldari WarpCorp
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag why cant u use dictor bubbles anywhere u like ??? if its a piece of equipment you should be able to turn it on any time you **** well like shouldnt you???
You can't use Cyno fields everywhere either IIRC, and it's just another piece of equipment. There's plenty of artificial restrictions on ships and module types, dictors are just one of them. You can't fly a carrier or dread into high sec either, but I don't see cap ship pilots clamoring for the ability to use them in places they're not allowed, even with the recent nerfs (Bye bye mission running carriers).
To the OP: If you want to desert low sec even more, by all means implement this change. Personally, I'd rather see the range and damage of the sentry guns increased to 3-4x their current level, but I'm not about to start championing that cause. I personally believe low sec gate camps are ludicrous. You're in an empire's sovereign territory, and yet they lack the power to police their own common areas (Gates/Stations in this case). I can understand that since it's a "low security" area, they can't spare the manpower to police the outskirts of their systems (i.e. No concordokken for agressing in belts/planets/moons), but FFS they should theoretically be able to keep the routes into and out of their own empire clear of undesirables. Until haulers and the like are able to move goods relatively safely into and out of low sec the odds of any kind of market springing up are pretty much nonexistent, which means there's practically no chance of any low sec environment ever really thriving. Any market that does spring up is done 'in house' by corps living in low sec, and is generally lacking in many ways over a high sec market. But, I guess I'm getting way off topic here, so I'll leave it at that.
I dig the idea of piracy, but camping and ransoming at gates aren't my idea of piracy. Go out and look for your kills, I know a few corps in my region that tend to do pretty well for themselves at this style of piracy and I have a lot of respect for those guys. I have absolutely no respect for the folks that camp a gate waiting for an easy gank with 4-5 of their buddies for hours on end, nor those looking to make it even easier to facilitate this kind of piracy.
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Hsallie
Gallente The Otter Pop Foundation
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Posted - 2006.11.15 23:13:00 -
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The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one.
Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station.
I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality.
As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet. |
God forbid
Amarr Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: God forbid on 16/11/2006 12:52:33 Yeah well Dont know if this is the right way, But something has to be done becouse I wanna see more pirate camps in low sec empire NOW!!
Quote: "Try hard to stop us which you can't, Outnumbered by the ********* camps"
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kill0rbunny
Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2006.11.16 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/11/2006 13:27:30
Originally by: Hsallie The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one.
Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station.
I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality.
As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet.
What's wrong on travelling safe in a frig/ceptor/shuttle? Are you aroused on easy killing those with your sniper tempest without the near possibility to ever be attacked? Are you one of those who whine because battleships have to few slots to fit 8 Warp Core Stabs?
Grow balls ad fit some damagemods instead. _____________________________ Hugh. |
Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 15:19:00 -
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Heres what we need...
Anchorable warp bbls in empire..
Wait..
Based on sec status, need charters to place them. High faction standing with regional Faction.
Only works for toons that anchored, in range and online. (no anchorable alts)
If the above conditions are not valid, no disruption....
Carebear gankers 4tw )
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B1G DAVE
Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2006.11.16 15:52:00 -
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I agree with better rewards for low sec space. I've jsut moved to low sec to 'practice' for 0.0 :D . At and the best rat spawn you get is a lousy cruiser for 60-70k. And the best rouds you get is a small lump of jaspet :/
Get more BCs etc in teh roid belts, and some better quality roids and you won't have to change anything...(else)
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Hsallie
Gallente The Otter Pop Foundation
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/11/2006 13:27:30
Originally by: Hsallie The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one.
Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station.
I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality.
As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet.
What's wrong on travelling safe in a frig/ceptor/shuttle? Are you aroused on easy killing those with your sniper tempest without the near possibility to ever be attacked? Are you one of those who whine because battleships have to few slots to fit 8 Warp Core Stabs?
Grow balls ad fit some damagemods instead.
First off all, i said i have done sniping and is done with that ;-) second a sniper is probably one of the easiest targets to take down, so an argument saying there is no risk in sniping is just plain invalid.
I should probably repeat that i dont like sniping, this is not my reason, for not liking the warp to 0 km, its the fact that in a fast ship like a ceptor you will be invulurable everywhere when traveling except in 0.0.
There is only one good thing that will come out of this change and that will be less lag, but there should be another solution to the bookmark problem, without making someone invulurable.
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Gamesguy
Amarr Reunited O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.18 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 18/11/2006 03:47:33
Originally by: kill0rbunny Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/11/2006 13:27:30
Originally by: Hsallie The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one.
Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station.
I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality.
As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet.
What's wrong on travelling safe in a frig/ceptor/shuttle? Are you aroused on easy killing those with your sniper tempest without the near possibility to ever be attacked? Are you one of those who whine because battleships have to few slots to fit 8 Warp Core Stabs?
Grow balls ad fit some damagemods instead.
Yes because obviously post kali the 6 stab tempest will *****all....wait a second.
Move all lvl 4 missions to low sec, problem solved.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.18 09:24:00 -
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Adapt or die out YourSIG is HUGE
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ching'sta
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.18 12:18:00 -
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i dont get it, if bubbles are allowed there will be no ppl at all in lowsec. I think with the changes maby people will come down more and hopefully we find more targets in belts.
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velocoraptor
Gallente Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.19 07:21:00 -
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The whole 'insta' thing is stupid imo. Some ppl in the game have 'warp to 0' option already and some don't. I have the money to buy instas, but it's very difficult to find good ones and specialy copy them (even more after the copying nerf). It also creates la which everybody hates.
Warp to 0 option is a goo thing and won't change much in 0.0. In low sec it will mainly mean less noob kills (that's not bad imo). Travel will be much faster, which is a very good thing (travelling is the most boring thing in eve atm).
To the op: Bubbles in 0.0 would be tricky and require a lot of tweaking, but could be done. Imo it shouldn't though, as it would only negate most of the ood things about 'warp to 0' option (and yes, we need more ppl in low sec). Now bubbles that would only catch war targets is a good idea me thinks
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Grape Juice
Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:18:00 -
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I'd say that roughly half the people I catch in low sec are jumping in from the gate I might be camping.
If they could increase the effectiveness of Sensor Boosters and Signal Amplifiers, just a wee bit, I'd be a happy camper. 20% would probably be just fine... (Note I said effectiveness, not increasing the boost directly. So a 10% booster now will then become 12%.)
Sure, nano'ed BS's and haulers will still get through, but they can usually warp out before I can scramble and insta to the gate as things are now.
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Arbenowskee
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:18:00 -
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I think dictorbubbles should work in low sec, but they should be shot at by sentries. so they would only be deployable at moons/planets/roids. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig too large. Maximum size 400x120 and 24000 bytes. -Oiri Yusko |
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