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EyeMaster
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:15:00 -
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Ok, heres the deal.
As most probably know by now, there will likely be a "Warp to 0km" option coming in Kali One. Effectively making a camp on an outgoing gate (near)impossible in lowsec. You can still nail the ppl gating into the system (as they decloak), just not the guys warping to your gate.
Ive heard a lot of complaining about this from various Campers and whatnot. "ZOMG Eve Suxx0rs now im leaving...blah blah blah"...you know the ones. Anyways, i have a proposal to keep lowsec camps a viable option.
Make Dictor Bubbles work in lowsec space.
Assign a small security status hit to the pilot that deploys a dictor bubble in lowsec. Tie this Sec-Hit to the security status of the system he's in. For instance:
0.4 space = -0.1 hit (same as initiating combat)
0.3 space = -0.08
0.2 space = -0.06
0.1 space = -0.04
0.0 space = no change
Of course, the numbers are up for debate, but you get the idea. Personally id be willing to raise it a bit to make it even more of a hit/per bubble. However, you dont want to make the it too small or it will not be seen as a deterrent. For those of you who dont care about sec-staus, it wont be anyways, but some of us like to be able to cruise empire at will. (I ♥ Jita)
As a dictor pilot (one of my alts) i would be more than willing to take a small sec hit/per bubble. Sure after a long session id have to go back to 0.0 and gank npcs for a while to keep my sec up, but its a small price to pay.
Anyways, just an idea. Flame away.
-EM
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Aypse
Sanguine Legion
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:35:00 -
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Yes. I think this a reasonable way to reduce lag caused by bookmarks and still keep lowsec as dangerous.
Why make a new thread though? This is already being discussed in the other 3 or 4 threads on the subject.
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EyeMaster
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:11:00 -
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Tbh, i havent read them. I just wanted to put the idea out there, if its already being discussed then thats fine by me. Ill just look for those threads.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:21:00 -
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no point in sec hits, or ones that change with the system security. The people placing themare prb -5 or less as it is
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:26:00 -
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No.
Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it.
We need more people in lowsec, not less.
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:25:00 -
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they should work in 0.1 - 0.4 same as in 0.0, so should bubbles, then the 0 km option could be .... the systems with theird diffirent sec arent spread out so nicely as the OP thinks they are.
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The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:19:00 -
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Lowsec is dead and my proposed changes are these:
- Make lowsec roids and moons mineable so that there is a reason to fight for that space.
- Nerf highsec mission running, reduce lp/rp/iskies by 50%
- Move all agents lvl3 Q15 and higher to lowsec
- Boost lowsec mission running, boost lp/rp/iskies by 100%
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Gindar
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:58:00 -
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/signed
but allow it only in 0.2 and below, to encourage lowsec travel. noob enters lowsec and feels safe! but then enters a 0.2 system... oops! bubble camped. now he must jet back to the gate. plenty of time for ebils to make some isk 
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.11.07 00:23:00 -
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The only thing gatecamps seem to catch in low sec is nubs who don't use instas, or nubs who autopilot through low sec (without using instas).
Camps are still gonna catch larger ships and haulers at jump-in, before they warp out to the next gate.
The whole "OMG 0KM IS A CAMP NERF" is overrated- you were only catching fools anyway.
Just my opinion. :)
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.07 00:31:00 -
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Or maybe just a new probe for the interdictor that pulls the victim out of warp(doesn't warp scram him)?
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Firane
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Phelan Lore
No.
Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it.
We need more people in lowsec, not less.
Agree 100%
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:54:00 -
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Sure, as long as the sentries spank the dictor
Are you REALLY sure you want to drop a bubble?
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.11.07 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
No.
Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it.
We need more people in lowsec, not less.
What he said, don't need more unexperienced pilots ganking due to numbers not skill.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Armin
- Make lowsec roids and moons mineable so that there is a reason to fight for that space.
They are already mineable... What?
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2006.11.07 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Speed Devil on 07/11/2006 03:26:15
no ******* way
if u want bubbles and interdictors u might as well go to 0.0
change ur region if u dont like it, dont change the game
about that 0km option, well this wont make any difference to try catching experienced players (people with instas) the only thing u wont be able to catch nomore would be the new players in the game that dont even know how to make a SS...
and like already mentioned before, nobody will want to cruise around in lowsec nomore, it will just be a bunch of blobs again at chokepoints just like in certain 0.0 systems ...
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Rockbox
Amarr
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.07 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
No.
Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it.
We need more people in lowsec, not less.
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Swor
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.07 11:46:00 -
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I want dictor bubbles to work in Jita =D
***MAXIMUM GRIEFING***
ok going back to 0.0 
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Michayel Lyon
Contention Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.07 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
No.
Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it.
We need more people in lowsec, not less.
What he said.
The Warp to 0km might be a nerf to low-sec gate camps, but who cares? Gate camping is boring. Warp to 0km is a boost to low-sec, since there will be a percieved increase of security, which will hopefully lead to more targets in belts and such.
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ian666
Minmatar
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.11.07 12:14:00 -
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Its tricky the 0km will make travelling faster but unless something happens to the belts with regard to spawns quality or the roid quality then reason for entering low sec and staying there its really going to change and it will be used as it is now as just a way to get to 0.0
Personally Bubbles in Low should be aloud now with the new 0km and if the profit to be made in low sec is increased then people will take the risk as risk = reward.
The Dictor should be able to still be hit by the sen gun fire thatĘs a risk u take, but the bubble should not and stay active until its time has run out and it expires, to stop people permanently bubbling gates you could make this a chance based system where the bubble might only cover a certain amount of the gate spawn area e.g 25% one time 75% the next and 5% the next etc, that way its not impossible to get away.
I would love to see all decent roid belts moved out of high sec into low sec which would put a stop to macro mining or at least help us combat it more as you an then attack them without Concord.
High sec should be for noobs who are learning the game then once you decided to enter low sec\0.0 its time to play the game.
ian666 waves to Mr Lyons. 
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.07 12:15:00 -
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With the possible coming of the 0km warp to...
What EVE really needs is dictorbubbles and normalbubbles in 0.1. - 0.4. Also it should be possible to use these in highsec where they will only effect the corp/alliance you are at war with.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.07 13:32:00 -
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why cant u use dictor bubbles anywhere u like ??? if its a piece of equipment you should be able to turn it on any time you **** well like shouldnt you???
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ian666
Minmatar
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:04:00 -
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Prob because it would trap all the traffic say in Jita 50k from the gate, i agree that it can't be deployed in high sec, but it should be in Low\0.0 space, or like someone suggested if its in High sec It should only pull in war targets.
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The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: The Armin
- Make lowsec roids and moons mineable so that there is a reason to fight for that space.
They are already mineable... What?
Valuable then (; There isn't any fighting for lowsec roids or moons wich is a bit meh.. Should be earning more for em imo.
Risk vs Reward yknow.
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Raef Ruoy
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.09 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Raef Ruoy on 09/11/2006 03:23:04
Dictor pilot here and I think they should not be allowed.
If they are then you pretty much eliminate the staging and testing ground from Empire to 0.0 for everyone.
There needs to be an area where they are in danger but are safe from everyday camps. If you want to camp a gate and catch people find yourself some nice smartbombing battleship a couple of snipers and you should catch most things. Or grab a few more friends and set up a proper gate camp.
If you want targets in low sec I suggest you not make it impossible for them to get there.
-Raef
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.11.09 07:57:00 -
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Really now, dictor bubbles are not that great of a solo ship unless you happen to find frigs in your web every time. The idea of dictor bubbles in low security empire means you want more ganks in empire for free. If dictors are added more and more easy kills will come of low security empire than say 0.0.
You will have more players getting rich of doing nothing but having a dictor alt with cloaking technology. It takes no skill to bubble up and camp it. That said, it should not be put into high security empire because none of you can catch people. There is more to the game than gates and stations.
In short. Learn 2 Play.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.09 08:20:00 -
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lets keep it balanced tho an anti bubble module or chance based system is ideal - im sure eveyrone here wants to kill plenty of targets but tbh we dont want any i-win buttons either im sure most mature players will agree that make it a bit diffiuclt to nail targets not totally uber for the carebears but a balance nevertheless
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.09 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 09/11/2006 08:31:41
Low-Sec needs rewards. Rats suck, roids suck. Beef them up and more people will flock to low-sec.
Now onto dicter bubbles. It should be a hostile action. At the same time, you should be able to launch them in low-sec space, just like you can shoot at people. They should probably be forbidden from .4+ up systems entirely though.
Besides, how hard is it to have a scout on one side of a gate, a sensor boosted bs on the other, and still catch things?
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Eden Hawk
Gallente
Knights of Chaos
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Posted - 2006.11.09 10:50:00 -
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I totally agree with the above post, the rewards for being in lowsec are stupidly low! They defo need beefing up to give players a reason for being there.I think what
many players would like to see is highsec being a place to travel/trade/new players learning and small money makingy but the only reasonable way to actually make decent money is to do it in low sec.
With this in mind ive been convinced that warp to 0 is not a bad thing as it is another incentive to go into low sec, hey it might even be a bonus that u can autopilot to 5-10km in low sec as a bonus but introduce bubbles to give pirates a chance.
If we can more people in lowsec then people will feel safer in numbers and possably be faser while still giving pirates the oppertunity to engage in a fight.
Summery-
-100% agree with warp to 0km as this will keep people travelling through lowsec and not avoiding it.
-introduce warp bubble to lowsec to give pirates a chance to catch people but make the bubbles have a 2 scram strength so that people who are not ratting and travelling can prepare for them.
-Majourly beef up rewards in lowsec, majour reduction of rewards in highsec.
Eden
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Leno
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.09 10:57:00 -
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I must be dumb but...
If he warps in at 0.... what good is the bubble again? I mean regular bubbles can pull u in out of place and stuff, but i havent seen that happen with a dictor bubble to my knowledge.
so i ask again, what difference would a dictor bubble make?
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El'hith
Gallente
The Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Leno
I must be dumb but...
If he warps in at 0.... what good is the bubble again? I mean regular bubbles can pull u in out of place and stuff, but i havent seen that happen with a dictor bubble to my knowledge.
so i ask again, what difference would a dictor bubble make?
stop them warping off the gate
so they can camp a gate to a high sec system
wait for gait activation and then dictor bubble them up meaning they cant warp out in the 1st place.
Pass comment on whether it should be done or not...
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