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EyeMaster	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:15:00 - [1] Ok, heres the deal. As most probably know by now, there will likely be a "Warp to 0km" option coming in Kali One. Effectively making a camp on an outgoing gate (near)impossible in lowsec. You can still nail the ppl gating into the system (as they decloak), just not the guys warping to your gate. Ive heard a lot of complaining about this from various Campers and whatnot. "ZOMG Eve Suxx0rs now im leaving...blah blah blah"...you know the ones. Anyways, i have a proposal to keep lowsec camps a viable option. Make Dictor Bubbles work in lowsec space. Assign a small security status hit to the pilot that deploys a dictor bubble in lowsec. Tie this Sec-Hit to the security status of the system he's in. For instance: 0.4 space = -0.1 hit (same as initiating combat) 0.3 space = -0.08 0.2 space = -0.06 0.1 space = -0.04 0.0 space = no change Of course, the numbers are up for debate, but you get the idea. Personally id be willing to raise it a bit to make it even more of a hit/per bubble. However, you dont want to make the it too small or it will not be seen as a deterrent. For those of you who dont care about sec-staus, it wont be anyways, but some of us like to be able to cruise empire at will. (I ♥ Jita) As a dictor pilot (one of my alts) i would be more than willing to take a small sec hit/per bubble. Sure after a long session id have to go back to 0.0 and gank npcs for a while to keep my sec up, but its a small price to pay. Anyways, just an idea. Flame away. -EM
Aypse Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:35:00 - [2] Yes. I think this a reasonable way to reduce lag caused by bookmarks and still keep lowsec as dangerous. Why make a new thread though? This is already being discussed in the other 3 or 4 threads on the subject.
EyeMaster	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:11:00 - [3] Tbh, i havent read them. I just wanted to put the idea out there, if its already being discussed then thats fine by me. Ill just look for those threads.
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:21:00 - [4] no point in sec hits, or ones that change with the system security. The people placing themare prb -5 or less as it is --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:26:00 - [5] No. Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it. We need more people in lowsec, not less.
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:25:00 - [6] they should work in 0.1 - 0.4 same as in 0.0, so should bubbles, then the 0 km option could be .... the systems with theird diffirent sec arent spread out so nicely as the OP thinks they are. ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:19:00 - [7] Lowsec is dead and my proposed changes are these: - Make lowsec roids and moons mineable so that there is a reason to fight for that space. - Nerf highsec mission running, reduce lp/rp/iskies by 50% - Move all agents lvl3 Q15 and higher to lowsec - Boost lowsec mission running, boost lp/rp/iskies by 100%
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:58:00 - [8] /signed but allow it only in 0.2 and below, to encourage lowsec travel. noob enters lowsec and feels safe! but then enters a 0.2 system... oops! bubble camped. now he must jet back to the gate. plenty of time for ebils to make some isk
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2006.11.07 00:23:00 - [9] The only thing gatecamps seem to catch in low sec is nubs who don't use instas, or nubs who autopilot through low sec (without using instas). Camps are still gonna catch larger ships and haulers at jump-in, before they warp out to the next gate. The whole "OMG 0KM IS A CAMP NERF" is overrated- you were only catching fools anyway. Just my opinion. :) ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 00:31:00 - [10] Or maybe just a new probe for the interdictor that pulls the victim out of warp(doesn't warp scram him)? Click above for my killboard stats.
Firane Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Phelan Lore No. Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it. We need more people in lowsec, not less. Agree 100%
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.07 01:54:00 - [12] Sure, as long as the sentries spank the dictor Are you REALLY sure you want to drop a bubble?
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Phelan Lore No. Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it. We need more people in lowsec, not less. What he said, don't need more unexperienced pilots ganking due to numbers not skill. Vile - Recruiting Pirates
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:44:00 - [14] Originally by: The Armin - Make lowsec roids and moons mineable so that there is a reason to fight for that space. They are already mineable... What? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Speed Devil Caldari Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2006.11.07 03:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Speed Devil on 07/11/2006 03:26:15 no ******* way if u want bubbles and interdictors u might as well go to 0.0 change ur region if u dont like it, dont change the game about that 0km option, well this wont make any difference to try catching experienced players (people with instas) the only thing u wont be able to catch nomore would be the new players in the game that dont even know how to make a SS... and like already mentioned before, nobody will want to cruise around in lowsec nomore, it will just be a bunch of blobs again at chokepoints just like in certain 0.0 systems ...
Rockbox Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.07 05:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Phelan Lore No. Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it. We need more people in lowsec, not less. QFT Visit us at VETO FORUMS!!1!
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:46:00 - [17] I want dictor bubbles to work in Jita =D *MAXIMUM GRIEFING* ok going back to 0.0
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Phelan Lore No. Lowsec is already empty and dead. Now you want to mutilate it's corpse to the point that not only does nobody hang out in lowsec, but nobody even travels through it. We need more people in lowsec, not less. What he said. The Warp to 0km might be a nerf to low-sec gate camps, but who cares? Gate camping is boring. Warp to 0km is a boost to low-sec, since there will be a percieved increase of security, which will hopefully lead to more targets in belts and such. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:14:00 - [19] Its tricky the 0km will make travelling faster but unless something happens to the belts with regard to spawns quality or the roid quality then reason for entering low sec and staying there its really going to change and it will be used as it is now as just a way to get to 0.0 Personally Bubbles in Low should be aloud now with the new 0km and if the profit to be made in low sec is increased then people will take the risk as risk = reward. The Dictor should be able to still be hit by the sen gun fire thatÆs a risk u take, but the bubble should not and stay active until its time has run out and it expires, to stop people permanently bubbling gates you could make this a chance based system where the bubble might only cover a certain amount of the gate spawn area e.g 25% one time 75% the next and 5% the next etc, that way its not impossible to get away. I would love to see all decent roid belts moved out of high sec into low sec which would put a stop to macro mining or at least help us combat it more as you an then attack them without Concord. High sec should be for noobs who are learning the game then once you decided to enter low sec\0.0 its time to play the game. ian666 waves to Mr Lyons.
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:15:00 - [20] With the possible coming of the 0km warp to... What EVE really needs is dictorbubbles and normalbubbles in 0.1. - 0.4. Also it should be possible to use these in highsec where they will only effect the corp/alliance you are at war with. ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:32:00 - [21] why cant u use dictor bubbles anywhere u like ??? if its a piece of equipment you should be able to turn it on any time you ** well like shouldnt you??? ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~** ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.11.07 14:04:00 - [22] Prob because it would trap all the traffic say in Jita 50k from the gate, i agree that it can't be deployed in high sec, but it should be in Low\0.0 space, or like someone suggested if its in High sec It should only pull in war targets.
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.08 22:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: The Armin - Make lowsec roids and moons mineable so that there is a reason to fight for that space. They are already mineable... What? Valuable then (; There isn't any fighting for lowsec roids or moons wich is a bit meh.. Should be earning more for em imo. Risk vs Reward yknow.
Raef Ruoy Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Raef Ruoy on 09/11/2006 03:23:04 Dictor pilot here and I think they should not be allowed. If they are then you pretty much eliminate the staging and testing ground from Empire to 0.0 for everyone. There needs to be an area where they are in danger but are safe from everyday camps. If you want to camp a gate and catch people find yourself some nice smartbombing battleship a couple of snipers and you should catch most things. Or grab a few more friends and set up a proper gate camp. If you want targets in low sec I suggest you not make it impossible for them to get there. -Raef
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:57:00 - [25] Really now, dictor bubbles are not that great of a solo ship unless you happen to find frigs in your web every time. The idea of dictor bubbles in low security empire means you want more ganks in empire for free. If dictors are added more and more easy kills will come of low security empire than say 0.0. You will have more players getting rich of doing nothing but having a dictor alt with cloaking technology. It takes no skill to bubble up and camp it. That said, it should not be put into high security empire because none of you can catch people. There is more to the game than gates and stations. In short. Learn 2 Play. Vile - Recruiting Pirates
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:20:00 - [26] lets keep it balanced tho an anti bubble module or chance based system is ideal - im sure eveyrone here wants to kill plenty of targets but tbh we dont want any i-win buttons either im sure most mature players will agree that make it a bit diffiuclt to nail targets not totally uber for the carebears but a balance nevertheless
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 09/11/2006 08:31:41 Low-Sec needs rewards. Rats suck, roids suck. Beef them up and more people will flock to low-sec. Now onto dicter bubbles. It should be a hostile action. At the same time, you should be able to launch them in low-sec space, just like you can shoot at people. They should probably be forbidden from .4+ up systems entirely though. Besides, how hard is it to have a scout on one side of a gate, a sensor boosted bs on the other, and still catch things?
Eden Hawk Gallente Knights of Chaos	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:50:00 - [28] I totally agree with the above post, the rewards for being in lowsec are stupidly low! They defo need beefing up to give players a reason for being there.I think what many players would like to see is highsec being a place to travel/trade/new players learning and small money makingy but the only reasonable way to actually make decent money is to do it in low sec. With this in mind ive been convinced that warp to 0 is not a bad thing as it is another incentive to go into low sec, hey it might even be a bonus that u can autopilot to 5-10km in low sec as a bonus but introduce bubbles to give pirates a chance. If we can more people in lowsec then people will feel safer in numbers and possably be faser while still giving pirates the oppertunity to engage in a fight. Summery- -100% agree with warp to 0km as this will keep people travelling through lowsec and not avoiding it. -introduce warp bubble to lowsec to give pirates a chance to catch people but make the bubbles have a 2 scram strength so that people who are not ratting and travelling can prepare for them. -Majourly beef up rewards in lowsec, majour reduction of rewards in highsec. Eden
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:57:00 - [29] I must be dumb but... If he warps in at 0.... what good is the bubble again? I mean regular bubbles can pull u in out of place and stuff, but i havent seen that happen with a dictor bubble to my knowledge. so i ask again, what difference would a dictor bubble make? --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
El'hith Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Leno I must be dumb but... If he warps in at 0.... what good is the bubble again? I mean regular bubbles can pull u in out of place and stuff, but i havent seen that happen with a dictor bubble to my knowledge. so i ask again, what difference would a dictor bubble make? stop them warping off the gate so they can camp a gate to a high sec system wait for gait activation and then dictor bubble them up meaning they cant warp out in the 1st place. Pass comment on whether it should be done or not... ~~~Check my bio in game for what me and my corp can do for you!~~~
EyeMaster	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:39:00 - [31] Ive had my dictor bubbles yank people out of warp early ive managed to pull em 60km or so short of the gate. However they dont pull you into the bubble like the anchored versions, you just end up sitting on the outer edge.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:02:00 - [32] Uh, they pull you a little into it, but you only have to back out a few hundred meters.
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:46:00 - [33] Originally by: El'hith Originally by: Leno I must be dumb but... If he warps in at 0.... what good is the bubble again? I mean regular bubbles can pull u in out of place and stuff, but i havent seen that happen with a dictor bubble to my knowledge. so i ask again, what difference would a dictor bubble make? stop them warping off the gate so they can camp a gate to a high sec system wait for gait activation and then dictor bubble them up meaning they cant warp out in the 1st place. Pass comment on whether it should be done or not... well this is no different then before where they always had to use scramblers, i see no reason to change that for something that could really screw with gameplay. Granted if dictor is then flagged like normal and to sentries then i dont see why not --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:00:00 - [34] No need for bubbles in low sec. Just remove the sentry guns instead, so tacklers can be used.
Miz Cenuij TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:28:00 - [35] The sentry guns will wtf pwn the dictor tho when it deloys the bubble.. Warp to 0.0 is the lamest change CCP have implemented to date and is another step towards makeing EVE a consent only PvP environment. Lame. Three and a half years invested in this game and now CCP turn it into carebears online, its of little wonder I no longer log in. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Aria Jenneth Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 10/11/2006 20:17:11 Not a good idea. Okay, with anchored bubbles you could basically set up a 100% kill-rate gate camp along a trade route between empires: just pull people 30 clicks off the gate into the crosshairs of a group of blasterthrons. I don't know as much about what you can do with interdictors, but I do know that permitting them will result in lowsec becoming much, much more lethal-- which it's already doing with the improved scan probes. Look, people, do you want more potential targets strolling blithely through your territory? Or less? 0 km warp doesn't give them much more security, but it'll make them -think- they have way more, because an awful lot of them are naiive enough to think like Miz Cenuij. The defensive advantage of 0 km warp isn't even really in the fact that targets can just slip through your nets; it's in the fact that they can slip through -without having to line themselves up for an insta first.- I agree with those who say lowsec rewards should be boosted. I also can see the argument for removing the sentry guns, though that'll make escaping gate camps much, much harder (since frigates lock so much faster than BS). But no bubbles. Please, no bubbles; I want to see the population spread out enough to give you lot some targets to hunt.
BaronWaste Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:48:00 - [37] What exactly prevents you from killing people as they jump in? So waah, pirates get half the kills we normally do by gate camping I'm sure we'll get over it. Better to have half the targets than none of the targets at all, which is what will happen if they implement what you're saying. If anything, low sec needs to become more attractive for people, like better belt rats and stuff. Pirating will become a lost cause if no one wants to go to low-sec period. Now if there were some way to put up a dictor bubble in empire that ONLY caught people you were at war with....I'm all for that. heh
Soporo	Posted - 2006.11.12 02:15:00 - [38] Edited by: Soporo on 12/11/2006 02:27:26 Baron is right on the money. You guys are cutting your own throat if you think bubbles or any other sort of security nerf is a good idea in lowsec. Lets see, risk/reward blows AS IS for lowsec now creating often sparsely populated areas. Why do you think it would improve your income/fun if lowsec got even MORE risky? Joe Hauler and Random McJoe and Miner McMine are gonna avoid it like the **** plague. Missioning in Low Sec now? Pfft, with the WCS Nerf who do you think is gonna be flying around solo now in BS with Faction PVE gear missioning?
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.12 11:32:00 - [39] allowing bubbles of any sort in low sec will just be a mess. as will allowing warp to 0km. Because I said so...
umah	Posted - 2006.11.12 17:54:00 - [40] I agree, you should be allowed to deploy ur bubble, and get spanked by Concord when the first ship gets interdicted Originally by: Xsag why cant u use dictor bubbles anywhere u like ??? if its a piece of equipment you should be able to turn it on any time you **** well like shouldnt you???
Riddick06	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:07:00 - [41] dictor bubbles will just be to over-powered in low sec it would be almost like 0.0.
Elseenas Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:49:00 - [42] Wait. So my understanding is that even if the change goes through, the only thing it will change is to add a "warp to 0" (basically an insta), but that autopilot will still drop people off at 15 km. So, if that's true, then the only thing that will change is that people who before lacked the skills, money, or a corp to get an insta set and/or just used autopilot were the only people you could attack at gates. Now all you will get are the people who used autopilot. Oh dear its the end of PvP as we know it! Gate camps in 0.0 are often highly successful without bubbles, and out there just about everyone has instas (albeit not everyone uses said instas), so its no different from the way things are hopefully going. What on earth makes you think that this kills lowsec PvP totally?
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:20:00 - [43] BTW guys, during the Q&A session at the fanfest Oveur said they are deffo looking at unnerfing dictors so they can drop bubbles in low sec. Max --------------------
dennyreborn	Posted - 2006.11.13 17:46:00 - [44] changes are a great boost to eve. ganking noobs at gates in low sec is pretty much all this removes. you can still get people on the inbound side of gates ( use a alt to see when they are coming.) You can still get frigs and inty at the gate just use a suicide frig rigged for target speed and scrambling. scramble gates pop frig by the time he can warp something that can tank the sentries should be able to target him. No one ever said pirating is easy if you cant deal with it go mine roids with the otehr carebears.
Zandramus Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:19:00 - [45] during the eve tv showing at fanfest they said they were looking into allowed dictor bubbles in low sec.
Sinnbad Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.14 01:04:00 - [46] I cant believe I am about to post this but here goes... just go claim a 0.0 system. Basically, your saying. Oh noes CCP, I cant sit in my sniper and kill ppl so make it easy for me!!! Hey i enjoy t2 loot like the next guy, but this breaks the balance in low sec. Warp into a bubble and die from a sniper @ 160km who is safe from sentry fire? hahaha, sure get a clue If u can launch a bubble then the ship draws agro. Simple. Dont like that idea? Or perhaps lets get rid of system sec status and lets just all shooty each other. I am up for that. Seriously, I agree low sec rewards suck but this aint the solution doods. S&M
kill0rbunny Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:26:00 - [47] People complainin about the 0km warp are imho just not smart enough to set up a prober gate camp. Those should play World of Warcraft instead and kill Newbies with a Highlevel Char. Still wouldn't need to use your brains too much. Or grow some balls instead. This option makes the game much faster and less laggy, I absolutely appreciate it. _____________________________ Hugh.
Natas Dog Caldari WarpCorp	Posted - 2006.11.14 14:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Xsag why cant u use dictor bubbles anywhere u like ??? if its a piece of equipment you should be able to turn it on any time you **** well like shouldnt you??? You can't use Cyno fields everywhere either IIRC, and it's just another piece of equipment. There's plenty of artificial restrictions on ships and module types, dictors are just one of them. You can't fly a carrier or dread into high sec either, but I don't see cap ship pilots clamoring for the ability to use them in places they're not allowed, even with the recent nerfs (Bye bye mission running carriers). To the OP: If you want to desert low sec even more, by all means implement this change. Personally, I'd rather see the range and damage of the sentry guns increased to 3-4x their current level, but I'm not about to start championing that cause. I personally believe low sec gate camps are ludicrous. You're in an empire's sovereign territory, and yet they lack the power to police their own common areas (Gates/Stations in this case). I can understand that since it's a "low security" area, they can't spare the manpower to police the outskirts of their systems (i.e. No concordokken for agressing in belts/planets/moons), but FFS they should theoretically be able to keep the routes into and out of their own empire clear of undesirables. Until haulers and the like are able to move goods relatively safely into and out of low sec the odds of any kind of market springing up are pretty much nonexistent, which means there's practically no chance of any low sec environment ever really thriving. Any market that does spring up is done 'in house' by corps living in low sec, and is generally lacking in many ways over a high sec market. But, I guess I'm getting way off topic here, so I'll leave it at that. I dig the idea of piracy, but camping and ransoming at gates aren't my idea of piracy. Go out and look for your kills, I know a few corps in my region that tend to do pretty well for themselves at this style of piracy and I have a lot of respect for those guys. I have absolutely no respect for the folks that camp a gate waiting for an easy gank with 4-5 of their buddies for hours on end, nor those looking to make it even easier to facilitate this kind of piracy. _______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last... is usually the one the joke was about.
Hsallie Gallente The Otter Pop Foundation	Posted - 2006.11.15 23:13:00 - [49] The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one. Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station. I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality. As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet.
God forbid Amarr Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:52:00 - [50] Edited by: God forbid on 16/11/2006 12:52:33 Yeah well Dont know if this is the right way, But something has to be done becouse I wanna see more pirate camps in low sec empire NOW!! Quote: "Try hard to stop us which you can't, Outnumbered by the ********* camps"
kill0rbunny Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:26:00 - [51] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/11/2006 13:27:30 Originally by: Hsallie The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one. Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station. I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality. As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet. What's wrong on travelling safe in a frig/ceptor/shuttle? Are you aroused on easy killing those with your sniper tempest without the near possibility to ever be attacked? Are you one of those who whine because battleships have to few slots to fit 8 Warp Core Stabs? Grow balls ad fit some damagemods instead. _____________________________ Hugh.
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:19:00 - [52] Heres what we need... Anchorable warp bbls in empire.. Wait.. Based on sec status, need charters to place them. High faction standing with regional Faction. Only works for toons that anchored, in range and online. (no anchorable alts) If the above conditions are not valid, no disruption.... Carebear gankers 4tw ) Trading 101
B1G DAVE Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:52:00 - [53] I agree with better rewards for low sec space. I've jsut moved to low sec to 'practice' for 0.0 :D . At and the best rat spawn you get is a lousy cruiser for 60-70k. And the best rouds you get is a small lump of jaspet :/ Get more BCs etc in teh roid belts, and some better quality roids and you won't have to change anything...(else)
Hsallie Gallente The Otter Pop Foundation	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:25:00 - [54] Originally by: kill0rbunny Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/11/2006 13:27:30 Originally by: Hsallie The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one. Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station. I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality. As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet. What's wrong on travelling safe in a frig/ceptor/shuttle? Are you aroused on easy killing those with your sniper tempest without the near possibility to ever be attacked? Are you one of those who whine because battleships have to few slots to fit 8 Warp Core Stabs? Grow balls ad fit some damagemods instead. First off all, i said i have done sniping and is done with that ;-) second a sniper is probably one of the easiest targets to take down, so an argument saying there is no risk in sniping is just plain invalid. I should probably repeat that i dont like sniping, this is not my reason, for not liking the warp to 0 km, its the fact that in a fast ship like a ceptor you will be invulurable everywhere when traveling except in 0.0. There is only one good thing that will come out of this change and that will be less lag, but there should be another solution to the bookmark problem, without making someone invulurable. If you think this change is a good thing dont just flame but make a constructive reason for why.
Gamesguy Amarr Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Gamesguy on 18/11/2006 03:47:33 Originally by: kill0rbunny Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/11/2006 13:27:30 Originally by: Hsallie The warp tp 0km is a real bad idea imo, not coz i like to gatecamp ( been there done that ), but its more or less a "I win" button for frigs/ceptors/shuttels traveling. I know instas can be bought now for every region if you have the contacts and isk, so what about if we startet handing out free HAC's in jita so everyone can get one. Take that aside, this will make traveling in every form too safe, think about empire wars if everytime you see and try to engage ppl they will be at 0km from gate/station. I understand it can be frustrating for noobs to be killed but everyone have gone through learning to avoid being killed, this will make eve closer to the wow mentality. As i understand it tho, the warp to 0 km thing, is only being considered atm, so im crossing my fingers that i will not be implementet. What's wrong on travelling safe in a frig/ceptor/shuttle? Are you aroused on easy killing those with your sniper tempest without the near possibility to ever be attacked? Are you one of those who whine because battleships have to few slots to fit 8 Warp Core Stabs? Grow balls ad fit some damagemods instead. Yes because obviously post kali the 6 stab tempest will *****all....wait a second. Move all lvl 4 missions to low sec, problem solved.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.18 09:24:00 - [56] Adapt or die out YourSIG is HUGE The size limits for signature graphics are as follows: Maximum height: 120 pixels Maximum width: 400 pixels Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes (not kbytes)- Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
ching'sta Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.18 12:18:00 - [57] i dont get it, if bubbles are allowed there will be no ppl at all in lowsec. I think with the changes maby people will come down more and hopefully we find more targets in belts.
velocoraptor Gallente Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 07:21:00 - [58] The whole 'insta' thing is stupid imo. Some ppl in the game have 'warp to 0' option already and some don't. I have the money to buy instas, but it's very difficult to find good ones and specialy copy them (even more after the copying nerf). It also creates la which everybody hates. Warp to 0 option is a goo thing and won't change much in 0.0. In low sec it will mainly mean less noob kills (that's not bad imo). Travel will be much faster, which is a very good thing (travelling is the most boring thing in eve atm). To the op: Bubbles in 0.0 would be tricky and require a lot of tweaking, but could be done. Imo it shouldn't though, as it would only negate most of the ood things about 'warp to 0' option (and yes, we need more ppl in low sec). Now bubbles that would only catch war targets is a good idea me thinks
Grape Juice Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:18:00 - [59] I'd say that roughly half the people I catch in low sec are jumping in from the gate I might be camping. If they could increase the effectiveness of Sensor Boosters and Signal Amplifiers, just a wee bit, I'd be a happy camper. 20% would probably be just fine... (Note I said effectiveness, not increasing the boost directly. So a 10% booster now will then become 12%.) Sure, nano'ed BS's and haulers will still get through, but they can usually warp out before I can scramble and insta to the gate as things are now.
Arbenowskee Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:18:00 - [60] I think dictorbubbles should work in low sec, but they should be shot at by sentries. so they would only be deployable at moons/planets/roids. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig too large. Maximum size 400x120 and 24000 bytes. -Oiri Yusko
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:17:00 - [61] sooo... anything new? last i heard was that a dev at the fanfest said dictors should be allowed in lowsec (but not bubbles). so, he meant to allow dictor probes. nothing official yet. probably the devs need to hear more YARRR 's Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus

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