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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 10:44:22 -
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Hi!
So people approach me about this topic.
Minmatar space is rather low on the activity barometer.
In the last years lots of formerly active corporations and alliances left it.
People left for caldari space, or gallente space.
Where ever there is more action.
Now the amarrians get so see more activity with the Drifters as well.
Excuse me? What am I missing?
Did they remove something from Minmatar space?
Is it the rather unpleasant looking nebula?
Hek is a dead place with hundred people and barely activity.
Most people seem to be outside boundless during the USTZ ...
... and these aren't exactly top quality players eithed.
Silence is the loudest noise.
Carebears everywhere.
And no one can tell me Hek is full of traders being busy.
I just need to look ag the market to know that's not true.
Minmatar space is boring. I felt it every single day in the last days
and people confirmed me my feeling.
So what's wrong with it? And hey, I'm not asking anyone to change that,
I can do that myself. I want to know why the only region with a
0.5hub system directly at a lowsec border is so dead.
Thanks!
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.05.08 10:57:43 -
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Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! 
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
184
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:14:59 -
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EVE is dying. |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
23908
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:25:37 -
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March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure!
That's irrelevant to my question, actually.
People are leaving minmatar space for other space.
Why?
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Abolish Rookiecorps.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:29:53 -
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SoE missions might be one factor, the changes in ore prices another.
Quiet back water of space sounds enticing to me. ;)
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
606
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:35:47 -
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I can think of a lot of reasons not to want to choose Minmatar space over other space but mostly I think it's the legacy of the original and terrible moon goo distribution and then....trickle down economics.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:36:06 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SoE missions might be one factor, the changes in ore prices another.
Quiet back water of space sounds enticing to me. ;)
These pack detail to count as explanation.
Please elaborate.
Oh and quiet space is bad.
This ain't lowsec.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:37:49 -
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Solecist Project wrote:March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! That's irrelevant to my question, actually. People are leaving minmatar space for other space. Why?
Has number of players in this 'other space' increased because of those migrants? Do you have newly overcrowded systems?
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2847
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:38:29 -
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Hicksimus wrote:I can think of a lot of reasons not to want to choose Minmatar space over other space but mostly I think it's the legacy of the original and terrible moon goo distribution and then....trickle down economics.
Then please list these reasons, if you have them.
What does moongoo have to do with it?
When was this change?
What's the connection?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2335
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:43:57 -
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Minmatar space has been the ass end of nowhere for as long as I can remember. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:44:04 -
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When you said this, it dawned on me that I've probably never been in to Minmatar space other than when I was doing the Blood Stained Stars.
Sure, I started a Caldari, flew for a while in RvB (which at the time was based in Gallente space), then joined WIdot then Goonswarm, which is the other side of the map, but I've been in Amarr space plenty, so it isn't entirely just that.
Could be Great Wildlands stinking up the area, although Curse is high up on the NPC null resort list, so it isn't entirely a "nowhere intresting to go" situation.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:47:47 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:When you said this, it dawned on me that I've probably never been in to Minmatar space other than when I was doing the Blood Stained Stars.
Sure, I started a Caldari, flew for a while in RvB (which at the time was based in Gallente space), then joined WIdot then Goonswarm, which is the other side of the map, but I've been in Amarr space plenty, so it isn't entirely just that.
Could be Great Wildlands stinking up the area, although Curse is high up on the NPC null resort list, so it isn't entirely a "nowhere intresting to go" situation.
First paragraph. You never had reason to go there,
because there's more activity elsewhere. *nods*
What's with GW? What's the connection here?
The situation like it is now got gradually worse compared to last year ...
... which was already worse compared to a year before.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:50:30 -
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March rabbit wrote:Solecist Project wrote:March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! That's irrelevant to my question, actually. People are leaving minmatar space for other space. Why? Has number of players in this 'other space' increased because of those migrants? Do you have newly overcrowded systems?
Nothing I can tell.
I rely on what reliable former residents tell me about known corp/alliance activities.
With the death of Gradient, FRONT, others a **** ton of people was lost.
Others moved away, probably connected to the lack of social activity.
Which is bad, obviously.
I'm guesstimating a lot here and that annoys me.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1056
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:26:42 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Could be Great Wildlands stinking up the area, although Curse is high up on the NPC null resort list, so it isn't entirely a "nowhere intresting to go" situation.
What's with GW? What's the connection here?
Bear in mind, this is second-hand info as I've never been there (Heh, part of the problem), but it has only three stations, and they are all clustered together (literally, all within three jumps of each other) so there is only a handful of places for groups to base out of, and a single group can easily shut down all of them. Compare that to Curse, Syndicate, or even NPC pockets in Fountain, Delve or Pure Blind, and it makes it really sub-optimal as a place for small gangs to play. Venal is almost as bad (only 7 stations), but they are spread out enough that one group can't (easily) shut them all down at once. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:30:56 -
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That sounds like something, but feels disconnected.
What's more interesting is why minmatar space never attracted you in any way.
I guess many feel like that.
Must be reasons for minmatar highsec to be so silent and void of content...
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
165
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:34:58 -
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WINMATAR has moved over to Amarr space. But they promise to come back with tropheys and dead heads of their enemies...
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2338
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:36:16 -
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Minmatar space is brown, all the structures look like junk piles, systems routinely have 100+ au warps between gates, it's far from Amarr and Caldari space and the trade hub is the most overpriced and poorly stocked in the game.
It's the butthole of new eden, Hek is okay, but going any further into minmatar space is like flying through the ghetto. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:41:17 -
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Sorry but Winmatar seems irrelevant.
And no, Hek isn't okay. I know, because I'm there.
It's a social wasteland.
Numbers of locals are okay,
but the lack of activity isn't.
And yeah I have to admit that the nebulae add a certain feeling to the space,
that's completely different to all the other space.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8501
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:47:42 -
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Solecist Project wrote:March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! That's irrelevant to my question, actually. People are leaving minmatar space for other space. Why?
It's all your fault, you demon spawn from gank hell. You scared them all away.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2338
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:55:18 -
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Why don't you like Hek? It's filled with such colorful charactets? |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:59:12 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Why don't you like Hek? It's filled with such colorful charactets? It's not.
How would you know without being there?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Lucy Lopez
Low Frequency
16
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:01:04 -
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They can't handle the brown, so they get outta town. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:03:21 -
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Lucy Lopez wrote:They can't handle the brown, so they get outta town.
Weirdly enough I kind of agree that the colors add a weird flair,
which might drive people off into more pretty space.
And sorry for staring.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
541
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:09:03 -
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I think the better question ask is - why would anyone go there in the first place? There's nothing particularly special aboout them, and literally every other Empire has a better market and more people, as you point out yourself. If I'm looking for content, I'm not going to Gelfiven.
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Reislier
104
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:18:13 -
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Look at proximity of trade hubs to each other.
Note concurrency of 0.5 systems in routes to and from all hubs.
Think about where you would most like and least like to fly freighter.
Consider most active regions in empire and where most trade happen.
Consider most active gank regions in empire.
If Jita is north end and Amarr is south, then ne is ghetto. it has always been so in 9+ years I play.
Note corp alliances in proximity of low and null borders at each hub and consider potential for hostility to ships related to trade.
Minmater space has good potential for trade but only time I take freighter that way is when coming from Amarr and planning return trip to Amarr.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:18:55 -
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Elenahina wrote:I think the better question ask is - why would anyone go there in the first place? There's nothing particularly special aboout them, and literally every other Empire has a better market and more people, as you point out yourself. If I'm looking for content, I'm not going to Gelfiven.
Yeah, well, you adress this from the wrong perspective.
First came the decline in activity ...
... and then came the failcascade of "no one there, I go somewhere else".
So what is it that encouraged people t
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:19:43 -
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Elenahina wrote:I think the better question ask is - why would anyone go there in the first place? There's nothing particularly special aboout them, and literally every other Empire has a better market and more people, as you point out yourself. If I'm looking for content, I'm not going to Gelfiven.
First came the decline in activity ...
... and then came the failcascade of "no one there, I go somewhere else".
But why did people go somewhere else?
Why do people still do it, assuming activity isn't the reason?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2339
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:20:38 -
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incidentally because nobody wants to live there terrible carebear outfits thrive out in minmatar space (and the ass end of Amarr too). So if you ate looking for a bear shoot and are willing to fly 27 jumps to get there and can tolerate warping 180 au between gates it might be the place for you. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:22:58 -
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Reislier wrote:Look at proximity of trade hubs to each other.
Note concurrency of 0.5 systems in routes to and from all hubs.
Think about where you would most like and least like to fly freighter.
Consider most active regions in empire and where most trade happen.
Consider most active gank regions in empire.
If Jita is north end and Amarr is south, then ne is ghetto. it has always been so in 9+ years I play.
Note corp alliances in proximity of low and null borders at each hub and consider potential for hostility to ships related to trade.
Minmater space has good potential for trade but only time I take freighter that way is when coming from Amarr and planning return trip to Amarr.
That's a very good post. Not sure what freighters have to do with it.
I would consider the route to jita, through uedama, much worse.
Lots of things to consider. I will feast on the new map and look into this later at home.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:23:34 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:incidentally because nobody wants to live there terrible carebear outfits thrive out in minmatar space (and the ass end of Amarr too). So if you ate looking for a bear shoot and are willing to fly 27 jumps to get there and can tolerate warping 180 au between gates it might be the place for you.
What?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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