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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:24:25 -
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It's the hideous reddish-brown wash on their systems, is my guess.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:31:08 -
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Try visiting Rens, the other Minmatar trade hub.
If SoE is what you seek, Rens has 3 SoE stations. |
Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:31:33 -
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I live in Minmatar space and i like it.
there are plenty of people around doing there thing. Much bearing and pvping but
if you are looking for people to gank i suggest you go to Caldari space as you wont find to many in Minmatar space |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
542
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:31:45 -
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I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while. I always seem to end up back there when I'm between corps. I think the other ting is that CCP doesn't pay attention to it that much in the Lore/trailers either. Think about it - which ships do you see most often in the trailers and Scope bits? Pretty much everyone but Minmatar. When was the last time you heard a Scope reporter say "Meanwhile, in Rens..."
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:35:21 -
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Sweet Adamas wrote:I live in Minmatar space and i like it.
there are plenty of people around doing there thing. Much bearing and pvping but
if you are looking for people to gank i suggest you go to Caldari space as you wont find to many in Minmatar space
I never said anything about a relation to my own interests and it's not even implied.
Please list the systems or constellations you see actual activity in
and please do not forget that local is a huge part of this activity.
It's not that I don't believe you, but details are lacking.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:41:13 -
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Elenahina wrote:I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while. I always seem to end up back there when I'm between corps. I think the other ting is that CCP doesn't pay attention to it that much in the Lore/trailers either. Think about it - which ships do you see most often in the trailers and Scope bits? Pretty much everyone but Minmatar. When was the last time you heard a Scope reporter say "Meanwhile, in Rens..."
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas.
Red headed step child seems most appropriate.
And yeah you going there for the quiets.
That shouldn't be happening. Going somewhere for the quiets
means that the systems are lacking activity.
Last time I noticed anything lore related (I'm not up2date) ...
... was Boundless Creations inventing the micro jump drive.
I also include the thoughts that people rather want to be horrible conservative religious nutjobs, Amarrians,
... or perverted freesexualactivity for all Gallente ...
... corporate, heartless sociopaths called Caldari ...
... compared to fighters of freedom and former slaves ... Minmatar.
From this angle, Minmatar are the only ones who exist just for the sake of existing,
while all others actually provide something people can identify with.
Bringing in the superiority complex topic isn't what I want ...
... but I think it adds a bit to the equation.
I don't have numbers about which faction gets the most newly created chars.
I absolutely assume Amarr, followed by Caldari to be the top two.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Lucy Lopez
Low Frequency
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:48:17 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's the hideous reddish-brown wash on their systems, is my guess.
I like the aesthetic here. It feels wild and remote, kind of like the empire space equivalent of Mos Eisley, and the red/rust stars and nebulae give the impression of a universe in perpetual sunset. When I hear Red Glowing Dust and Safe Trade Routes playing out here I get goosebumps.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:53:56 -
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Lucy Lopez wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's the hideous reddish-brown wash on their systems, is my guess. I like the aesthetic here. It feels wild and remote, kind of like the empire space equivalent of Mos Eisley, and the red/rust stars and nebulae give the impression of a universe in perpetual sunset. When I hear Red Glowing Dust and Safe Trade Routes playing out here I get goosebumps.
There was a time when I felt the same.
Colour psychology gives a nice insight into this.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Reislier
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:54:29 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
That's a very good post. Not sure what freighters have to do with it.
I would consider the route to jita, through uedama, much worse.
Lots of things to consider. I will feast on the new map and look into this later at home.
Well.. freighters go where the social activity of people go.. but if I am going to move a billion + between hubs.. then the jita hek rens route would make the vein between eyes show more than a trip to amarr or dod. I can escort myself thru uedama with no worries.. but I don't like multiple .5 in row in big slow pig freighter.. with my drone boat running interference. yes can be done but why bother? is not worth time.. and try to say to friends.. hey.. want to make run to rens with me.. will make worth your time.. then watch.. oh look at time.. good night.. wife calling.. kid having fit.
is horrible trip.. too many jump.. nobody go there.. prices suck bong water.. and space is red and creepy.
Be nice. If nice not work, be civil. If civil not work, beat with iron pipe till bloody and still.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:00:23 -
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Nice post. Thank you!
And well done on your face!
Looks pretty realistic with actual expression.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Zockhandra
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:00:38 -
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Just as supplementary, 2 years ago characters in minnie space feared Hek (whilst at War) only recently have i noticed that even war campers have moved on from the system. You still have the motly collection of the odd Machariel, Vexor and some indies but all in all i agree with your initial statement.
As for why? Isn't that the question of the day, Minmatar space is nicely connected and the trade hubs are all in relative proximity, Ice is in good supply and the space itself was a heavy duty supplier of Mexallon, its proximoity to angel space and to some of the most active 0.0 systems for solo and small group PVP makes this result of inactivity highly confusing.
Perhaps the anwser lies more focally in Faction warfare? with farmers taking over FW and a great deal of the older players leaving (yes im looking primarily at Minmatar) due to those same Isk/LP farmers, This would have resulted in a substantial decrease in fights and retrospectively and increase in overpopulation on PVP markets. This in turn will have cause prices to crash as the new farmers saturate the market with new faction items.
So now the market is too cheap to make a profit, so both large scale traders and pvpers are gone, with that so are the big Suicide gankers. Carebears continue to mine/produce and the market collapses completely in hubs, resulting in the big producers leaving to be able to sell nearer to better trade hubs, leaving only small time players left to fend for themselves.
Now i could be completely wrong about all this, but this at least makes sense from what i know/have experienced.
Other factors could include the lack of any story-line in Minmatar space, can we even remember the last time CCP had a story event there? (i Can't) *Not that im blaming CCP* Indeed only the players make a space worth being in, not that minmatar is a bad place just much much more quiet.
or perhaps the factor of proximity to NPC null. as opposed to other regions having player space more closer, It will be interesting to see if minmatar space eventually becomes THE space, as ships, modules and other things.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:05:10 -
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Thanks Zokhandra.
Prices. We're usually in the higher ends of things,
because of a few exploiting the lack of competition.
Can't possibly know for every item, of course.
Very verbose. Thanks!
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:07:19 -
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Hek? nvm
Look at the numbers. Overwhelmingly the playerbase is Caldari. iirc (which I probably don't) Gallente and Amarr are neck and neck for a distant second. Minmatar is by far the least played race. Therefore, Minmatar space is by far the lowest populated.
You need to come out there and tell us how to play the game, so we can impress you.
I survived Win95
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:11:26 -
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Please source the numbers you are stating.
I am not even disagreeing, my guesstimation is the same-ish.
Anyhow did you state what can be considered a part of the reasons.
There always is more than one reason to everything that happens.
Thanks!
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
56
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:24:31 -
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Umm, maybe the main reason is simply that Minmatar space is the smallest empire space there is?
I'm too lazy atm to count the highsec systems, but when looking at high + low you get 280 Minmatar systems, 326 Caldari, 388 Gallente and 408 Amarr according to Dotlan. Just assume you were an FW pilot or insignia farmer and would therefore have to more or less abandon one of the empire regions, which one would you choose?
Eve Solecist wrote:I don't have numbers about which faction gets the most newly created chars.
I absolutely assume Amarr, followed by Caldari to be the top two.
Last time i checked it was Caldari>Gallente>Minmatar>Amarr.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:27:45 -
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Violet Hurst wrote:Umm, maybe the main reason is simply that Minmatar space is the smallest empire space there is? I'm too lazy atm to count the highsec systems, but when looking at high + low you get 280 Minmatar systems, 326 Caldari, 388 Gallente and 408 Amarr according to Dotlan. Just assume you were an FW pilot or insignia farmer and would therefore have to more or less abandon one of the empire regions, which one would you choose? Eve Solecist wrote:I don't have numbers about which faction gets the most newly created chars.
I absolutely assume Amarr, followed by Caldari to be the top two. Last time i checked it was Caldari>Gallente>Minmatar>Amarr. Interesting point, but didn't stop people in the years before the decline.
I'm sure it adds up as another reason, though.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Zockhandra
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:29:42 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Thanks Zokhandra.
Prices. We're usually in the higher ends of things,
because of a few exploiting the lack of competition.
Can't possibly know for every item, of course.
Very verbose. Thanks!
Thought its also nice to note on a previous post you made.
Space in EVE, does it have to be active? an entire region can be quiet as death and still be alot of fun (i know this isnt entirely relatable to the initial point) But a quiet region does present oppourtuniities, possibly with the right group of players it could become a region unlike the rest, isnt that part of the uniqueness of EVE?
Back to the actual topic, to which prices do you refer, the ones in regional around Hek? |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
316
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:32:10 -
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Both Rens & Hek are very healthy, considering overall universal stagnation conditions. Yes, Dodixie is more vibrant still, but it is because there is less junk particles per m3 of space. 
Lief should return to New Eden this Summer, or Autumn at the latest, following the expansions - we almost hit 40k people past Sunday!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:34:00 -
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Zockhandra wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Thanks Zokhandra.
Prices. We're usually in the higher ends of things,
because of a few exploiting the lack of competition.
Can't possibly know for every item, of course.
Very verbose. Thanks! Thought its also nice to note on a previous post you made. Space in EVE, does it have to be active? an entire region can be quiet as death and still be alot of fun (i know this isnt entirely relatable to the initial point) But a quiet region does present oppourtuniities, possibly with the right group of players it could become a region unlike the rest, isnt that part of the uniqueness of EVE? Back to the actual topic, to which prices do you refer, the ones in regional around Hek?
I'm talking about Hek prices, which most often surpass the surrounding systems.
Well, my point is that lack of activity is simply a bad thing by definition.
Of course you have a point regarding "going to empty systems for a change",
but there are lots of better looking systems out there for that.
If people mostly gather up everywhere else, that means there's something wrong.
Simlly from the game's perspective. People should want to live anywhere.
One part of space being abandoned means that there's an issue.
The reasons we are trying to gather up in here.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:35:46 -
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GankYou wrote:Both Rens & Hek are very healthy, considering overall universal stagnation conditions. Yes, Dodixie is more vibrant still, but it is because there is less junk particles per m3 of space. Lief should return to New Eden this Summer, or Autumn at the latest, following the expansions - we almost hit 40k people past Sunday!
No, Hek isn't healthy and Liaf doesn't really add much as the generic gameplay type he is.
And yeah I saw the 40k.
My thread got locked as trolling. tz.
No use though if the majority of people who live in Hek ...
... are from one TZ only ...
... not that many anyway ...
... and the rest of the day it's dead.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Pius Pareka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:38:00 -
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I don't always go into Matari space, but when I do...
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
320
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:40:59 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:GankYou wrote:Both Rens & Hek are very healthy, considering overall universal stagnation conditions. Yes, Dodixie is more vibrant still, but it is because there is less junk particles per m3 of space. Lief should return to New Eden this Summer, or Autumn at the latest, following the expansions - we almost hit 40k people past Sunday! No, Hek isn't healthy and Liaf doesn't really add much as the generic gameplay type he is. And yeah I saw the 40k. My thread got locked as trolling. tz. No use though if the majority of people who live in Hek ... ... are from one TZ only ... ... not that many anyway ... ... and the rest of the day it's dead.
I've updated my poast.
Read that, pesky troller.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive
Universal Consortium
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:42:24 -
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It's not only Hek, the issue is bigger. The place became a trade hub due to its lowsec connection in the first place.
Rancer and Ammamake are also empty, at most i saw like 10 people there last week. And Molden Heath is just too remote from FW to attract large lowsec outfits i guess.
But with people congregating on FW regions and carebears moving to SoE lvl4 or Cal Nav lvl4's to get their Jita tax standings, the vibrancy of the area has diminished somewhat.
The removal of the Highway stargates to Yulai made Rens (long ago) the most remote hub in New Eden and with people basing out of Jita/Amarr for their lowsec content Hek is just a dry husk of what it used to be with Teonusude not far behind.
The -what like- 6 or 7 .5 systems between Hek and Jita or the 28 Jumps from Amarr to Rens do not really invite the Freighter peoples to just hop in and fly over either.
Also jump freighters have made it possible to move a lot of trade into lowsec itself, and with more people capable of using/willing to use these you might see trade in the smaller hubs close to low fall even further. Then you have the giant corp/alliances who just don't seem interested in the nullsec around Minmatar Space and prefer to jump into Delerik and use Amarr for their trade.
And then there is the idea of newbeans joining the zerg corporations who have no incentive to move into a region with all these issues. People start the game, fly to Jita because its the best Walmart around and then Join Karmafleet (up north), Pandemic Horde (Catch/Provi) or Brave (Previous Catch now Fountain) or start Exploration and the mix is complete. You don't need any other system than Jita as an explorer.
I like the region due to nostalgia, and Amarr and Jita are only like 10 jumps away if you hop over to lowsec. Rancer has had its issues with smartbombs on the gate that has no celestial's around for 80AU but regulars know how to get around those mostly. And its empty now anyways, but it does mean traveling through lowsec and Frighters don't like that i think.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:48:13 -
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Great post, Ssoraszh!
And yeah I went the Hek-Jita shortcut through Rancer several times.
In my pod.
Unharmed.
Nine jumps. Or twelve? Think nine.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2853
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:48:48 -
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Minmatar was always the more piratey space... hm.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
323
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:49:45 -
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Regarding the routes - I do agree that there should be some sort of minor shortcut to Hek/Rens from Amarr space, without either having to fly thru Bleak Lands LS or Caldari the Citadel region -> then Essence -> and Sinq Laison to reach Metropolis. 
1) Jita traffic and occupancy level would be reduced;
2) More trade in Dodixie and Amarr;
3) Rens & Hek will get revitalised due to the trade from Amarr markets;
CCPls
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
279
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:50:33 -
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its full of filthy slaves?
Maybe I should have made my char Amarr |
Hipqo
Project AIice
Whatever.
113
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:03:09 -
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Personally i dont like mimmatar space, because of the nebula colors and minmatar station designs, and thats coming from a minmatar character :P (which quickly rolled gallente and caldari hah!)
It just feels sad to fly there tbh, it feels like the stations are held together by duct tape and tinfoil and i generally dont really like the looks of it.
So i stay away to avoid space depression :)
Also, im not sure if this is just me, but living in a WH gives us very few minmatar space connections and when we get then, we dont really care, because both Hek and Rens arent really good market hubs imho.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2854
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:06:14 -
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Again the color thing.
I believe the redbrown is there for several reasons.
First of all, because of the connection to minmatar rustbrown.
Then the lowsec thing. Hub that's 0.5. FW.
It screams "haven for pirates".
Red as a color is considered as being aggressive, sexual, energetic.
Other spaces give off completely different feelings,
with minmatar being the most specific.
Very interesting.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
324
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:15:22 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Again the color thing.
I believe the redbrown is there for several reasons.
First of all, because of the connection to minmatar rustbrown.
Then the lowsec thing. Hub that's 0.5. FW.
It screams "haven for pirates".
Red as a color is considered as being aggressive, sexual, energetic.
Other spaces give off completely different feelings,
with minmatar being the most specific.
Very interesting.
True dat, sistah.
Red space forever GÖÑ Ever since I discovered Amamake-Auga-Siseide roaming grounds, and settled in Rancer at one point, which is Sinq Laison region but herpdiderp. GÖÑ
I actually remember doing Can Art when it was still legal in the Bosboger and Gulmogorod system. It was a Jolly Roger. 
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