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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 10:44:22 -
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Hi!
So people approach me about this topic.
Minmatar space is rather low on the activity barometer.
In the last years lots of formerly active corporations and alliances left it.
People left for caldari space, or gallente space.
Where ever there is more action.
Now the amarrians get so see more activity with the Drifters as well.
Excuse me? What am I missing?
Did they remove something from Minmatar space?
Is it the rather unpleasant looking nebula?
Hek is a dead place with hundred people and barely activity.
Most people seem to be outside boundless during the USTZ ...
... and these aren't exactly top quality players eithed.
Silence is the loudest noise.
Carebears everywhere.
And no one can tell me Hek is full of traders being busy.
I just need to look ag the market to know that's not true.
Minmatar space is boring. I felt it every single day in the last days
and people confirmed me my feeling.
So what's wrong with it? And hey, I'm not asking anyone to change that,
I can do that myself. I want to know why the only region with a
0.5hub system directly at a lowsec border is so dead.
Thanks!
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1633
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Posted - 2015.05.08 10:57:43 -
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Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! 
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
184
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:14:59 -
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EVE is dying. |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:25:37 -
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March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure!
That's irrelevant to my question, actually.
People are leaving minmatar space for other space.
Why?
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
Abolish Rookiecorps.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1488
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:29:53 -
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SoE missions might be one factor, the changes in ore prices another.
Quiet back water of space sounds enticing to me. ;)
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
606
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:35:47 -
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I can think of a lot of reasons not to want to choose Minmatar space over other space but mostly I think it's the legacy of the original and terrible moon goo distribution and then....trickle down economics.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2847
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:36:06 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SoE missions might be one factor, the changes in ore prices another.
Quiet back water of space sounds enticing to me. ;)
These pack detail to count as explanation.
Please elaborate.
Oh and quiet space is bad.
This ain't lowsec.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1634
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:37:49 -
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Solecist Project wrote:March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! That's irrelevant to my question, actually. People are leaving minmatar space for other space. Why?
Has number of players in this 'other space' increased because of those migrants? Do you have newly overcrowded systems?
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2847
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:38:29 -
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Hicksimus wrote:I can think of a lot of reasons not to want to choose Minmatar space over other space but mostly I think it's the legacy of the original and terrible moon goo distribution and then....trickle down economics.
Then please list these reasons, if you have them.
What does moongoo have to do with it?
When was this change?
What's the connection?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2335
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:43:57 -
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Minmatar space has been the ass end of nowhere for as long as I can remember. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:44:04 -
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When you said this, it dawned on me that I've probably never been in to Minmatar space other than when I was doing the Blood Stained Stars.
Sure, I started a Caldari, flew for a while in RvB (which at the time was based in Gallente space), then joined WIdot then Goonswarm, which is the other side of the map, but I've been in Amarr space plenty, so it isn't entirely just that.
Could be Great Wildlands stinking up the area, although Curse is high up on the NPC null resort list, so it isn't entirely a "nowhere intresting to go" situation.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:47:47 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:When you said this, it dawned on me that I've probably never been in to Minmatar space other than when I was doing the Blood Stained Stars.
Sure, I started a Caldari, flew for a while in RvB (which at the time was based in Gallente space), then joined WIdot then Goonswarm, which is the other side of the map, but I've been in Amarr space plenty, so it isn't entirely just that.
Could be Great Wildlands stinking up the area, although Curse is high up on the NPC null resort list, so it isn't entirely a "nowhere intresting to go" situation.
First paragraph. You never had reason to go there,
because there's more activity elsewhere. *nods*
What's with GW? What's the connection here?
The situation like it is now got gradually worse compared to last year ...
... which was already worse compared to a year before.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:50:30 -
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March rabbit wrote:Solecist Project wrote:March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! That's irrelevant to my question, actually. People are leaving minmatar space for other space. Why? Has number of players in this 'other space' increased because of those migrants? Do you have newly overcrowded systems?
Nothing I can tell.
I rely on what reliable former residents tell me about known corp/alliance activities.
With the death of Gradient, FRONT, others a **** ton of people was lost.
Others moved away, probably connected to the lack of social activity.
Which is bad, obviously.
I'm guesstimating a lot here and that annoys me.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1056
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:26:42 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Could be Great Wildlands stinking up the area, although Curse is high up on the NPC null resort list, so it isn't entirely a "nowhere intresting to go" situation.
What's with GW? What's the connection here?
Bear in mind, this is second-hand info as I've never been there (Heh, part of the problem), but it has only three stations, and they are all clustered together (literally, all within three jumps of each other) so there is only a handful of places for groups to base out of, and a single group can easily shut down all of them. Compare that to Curse, Syndicate, or even NPC pockets in Fountain, Delve or Pure Blind, and it makes it really sub-optimal as a place for small gangs to play. Venal is almost as bad (only 7 stations), but they are spread out enough that one group can't (easily) shut them all down at once. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:30:56 -
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That sounds like something, but feels disconnected.
What's more interesting is why minmatar space never attracted you in any way.
I guess many feel like that.
Must be reasons for minmatar highsec to be so silent and void of content...
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
165
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:34:58 -
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WINMATAR has moved over to Amarr space. But they promise to come back with tropheys and dead heads of their enemies...
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2338
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:36:16 -
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Minmatar space is brown, all the structures look like junk piles, systems routinely have 100+ au warps between gates, it's far from Amarr and Caldari space and the trade hub is the most overpriced and poorly stocked in the game.
It's the butthole of new eden, Hek is okay, but going any further into minmatar space is like flying through the ghetto. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2848
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:41:17 -
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Sorry but Winmatar seems irrelevant.
And no, Hek isn't okay. I know, because I'm there.
It's a social wasteland.
Numbers of locals are okay,
but the lack of activity isn't.
And yeah I have to admit that the nebulae add a certain feeling to the space,
that's completely different to all the other space.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8501
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:47:42 -
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Solecist Project wrote:March rabbit wrote:Some people report general decline in player activity but they are rumor mongers for sure! That's irrelevant to my question, actually. People are leaving minmatar space for other space. Why?
It's all your fault, you demon spawn from gank hell. You scared them all away.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2338
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:55:18 -
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Why don't you like Hek? It's filled with such colorful charactets? |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:59:12 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Why don't you like Hek? It's filled with such colorful charactets? It's not.
How would you know without being there?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Lucy Lopez
Low Frequency
16
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:01:04 -
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They can't handle the brown, so they get outta town. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:03:21 -
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Lucy Lopez wrote:They can't handle the brown, so they get outta town.
Weirdly enough I kind of agree that the colors add a weird flair,
which might drive people off into more pretty space.
And sorry for staring.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
541
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:09:03 -
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I think the better question ask is - why would anyone go there in the first place? There's nothing particularly special aboout them, and literally every other Empire has a better market and more people, as you point out yourself. If I'm looking for content, I'm not going to Gelfiven.
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Reislier
104
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:18:13 -
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Look at proximity of trade hubs to each other.
Note concurrency of 0.5 systems in routes to and from all hubs.
Think about where you would most like and least like to fly freighter.
Consider most active regions in empire and where most trade happen.
Consider most active gank regions in empire.
If Jita is north end and Amarr is south, then ne is ghetto. it has always been so in 9+ years I play.
Note corp alliances in proximity of low and null borders at each hub and consider potential for hostility to ships related to trade.
Minmater space has good potential for trade but only time I take freighter that way is when coming from Amarr and planning return trip to Amarr.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:18:55 -
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Elenahina wrote:I think the better question ask is - why would anyone go there in the first place? There's nothing particularly special aboout them, and literally every other Empire has a better market and more people, as you point out yourself. If I'm looking for content, I'm not going to Gelfiven.
Yeah, well, you adress this from the wrong perspective.
First came the decline in activity ...
... and then came the failcascade of "no one there, I go somewhere else".
So what is it that encouraged people t
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:19:43 -
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Elenahina wrote:I think the better question ask is - why would anyone go there in the first place? There's nothing particularly special aboout them, and literally every other Empire has a better market and more people, as you point out yourself. If I'm looking for content, I'm not going to Gelfiven.
First came the decline in activity ...
... and then came the failcascade of "no one there, I go somewhere else".
But why did people go somewhere else?
Why do people still do it, assuming activity isn't the reason?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2339
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:20:38 -
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incidentally because nobody wants to live there terrible carebear outfits thrive out in minmatar space (and the ass end of Amarr too). So if you ate looking for a bear shoot and are willing to fly 27 jumps to get there and can tolerate warping 180 au between gates it might be the place for you. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:22:58 -
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Reislier wrote:Look at proximity of trade hubs to each other.
Note concurrency of 0.5 systems in routes to and from all hubs.
Think about where you would most like and least like to fly freighter.
Consider most active regions in empire and where most trade happen.
Consider most active gank regions in empire.
If Jita is north end and Amarr is south, then ne is ghetto. it has always been so in 9+ years I play.
Note corp alliances in proximity of low and null borders at each hub and consider potential for hostility to ships related to trade.
Minmater space has good potential for trade but only time I take freighter that way is when coming from Amarr and planning return trip to Amarr.
That's a very good post. Not sure what freighters have to do with it.
I would consider the route to jita, through uedama, much worse.
Lots of things to consider. I will feast on the new map and look into this later at home.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:23:34 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:incidentally because nobody wants to live there terrible carebear outfits thrive out in minmatar space (and the ass end of Amarr too). So if you ate looking for a bear shoot and are willing to fly 27 jumps to get there and can tolerate warping 180 au between gates it might be the place for you.
What?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
12927
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:24:25 -
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It's the hideous reddish-brown wash on their systems, is my guess.
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One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
Nox Draconum
43
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:31:08 -
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Try visiting Rens, the other Minmatar trade hub.
If SoE is what you seek, Rens has 3 SoE stations. |
Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:31:33 -
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I live in Minmatar space and i like it.
there are plenty of people around doing there thing. Much bearing and pvping but
if you are looking for people to gank i suggest you go to Caldari space as you wont find to many in Minmatar space |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
542
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:31:45 -
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I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while. I always seem to end up back there when I'm between corps. I think the other ting is that CCP doesn't pay attention to it that much in the Lore/trailers either. Think about it - which ships do you see most often in the trailers and Scope bits? Pretty much everyone but Minmatar. When was the last time you heard a Scope reporter say "Meanwhile, in Rens..."
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:35:21 -
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Sweet Adamas wrote:I live in Minmatar space and i like it.
there are plenty of people around doing there thing. Much bearing and pvping but
if you are looking for people to gank i suggest you go to Caldari space as you wont find to many in Minmatar space
I never said anything about a relation to my own interests and it's not even implied.
Please list the systems or constellations you see actual activity in
and please do not forget that local is a huge part of this activity.
It's not that I don't believe you, but details are lacking.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2849
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:41:13 -
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Elenahina wrote:I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while. I always seem to end up back there when I'm between corps. I think the other ting is that CCP doesn't pay attention to it that much in the Lore/trailers either. Think about it - which ships do you see most often in the trailers and Scope bits? Pretty much everyone but Minmatar. When was the last time you heard a Scope reporter say "Meanwhile, in Rens..."
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas.
Red headed step child seems most appropriate.
And yeah you going there for the quiets.
That shouldn't be happening. Going somewhere for the quiets
means that the systems are lacking activity.
Last time I noticed anything lore related (I'm not up2date) ...
... was Boundless Creations inventing the micro jump drive.
I also include the thoughts that people rather want to be horrible conservative religious nutjobs, Amarrians,
... or perverted freesexualactivity for all Gallente ...
... corporate, heartless sociopaths called Caldari ...
... compared to fighters of freedom and former slaves ... Minmatar.
From this angle, Minmatar are the only ones who exist just for the sake of existing,
while all others actually provide something people can identify with.
Bringing in the superiority complex topic isn't what I want ...
... but I think it adds a bit to the equation.
I don't have numbers about which faction gets the most newly created chars.
I absolutely assume Amarr, followed by Caldari to be the top two.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Lucy Lopez
Low Frequency
17
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:48:17 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's the hideous reddish-brown wash on their systems, is my guess.
I like the aesthetic here. It feels wild and remote, kind of like the empire space equivalent of Mos Eisley, and the red/rust stars and nebulae give the impression of a universe in perpetual sunset. When I hear Red Glowing Dust and Safe Trade Routes playing out here I get goosebumps.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:53:56 -
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Lucy Lopez wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's the hideous reddish-brown wash on their systems, is my guess. I like the aesthetic here. It feels wild and remote, kind of like the empire space equivalent of Mos Eisley, and the red/rust stars and nebulae give the impression of a universe in perpetual sunset. When I hear Red Glowing Dust and Safe Trade Routes playing out here I get goosebumps.
There was a time when I felt the same.
Colour psychology gives a nice insight into this.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Reislier
104
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:54:29 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
That's a very good post. Not sure what freighters have to do with it.
I would consider the route to jita, through uedama, much worse.
Lots of things to consider. I will feast on the new map and look into this later at home.
Well.. freighters go where the social activity of people go.. but if I am going to move a billion + between hubs.. then the jita hek rens route would make the vein between eyes show more than a trip to amarr or dod. I can escort myself thru uedama with no worries.. but I don't like multiple .5 in row in big slow pig freighter.. with my drone boat running interference. yes can be done but why bother? is not worth time.. and try to say to friends.. hey.. want to make run to rens with me.. will make worth your time.. then watch.. oh look at time.. good night.. wife calling.. kid having fit.
is horrible trip.. too many jump.. nobody go there.. prices suck bong water.. and space is red and creepy.
Be nice. If nice not work, be civil. If civil not work, beat with iron pipe till bloody and still.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:00:23 -
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Nice post. Thank you!
And well done on your face!
Looks pretty realistic with actual expression.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Zockhandra
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:00:38 -
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Just as supplementary, 2 years ago characters in minnie space feared Hek (whilst at War) only recently have i noticed that even war campers have moved on from the system. You still have the motly collection of the odd Machariel, Vexor and some indies but all in all i agree with your initial statement.
As for why? Isn't that the question of the day, Minmatar space is nicely connected and the trade hubs are all in relative proximity, Ice is in good supply and the space itself was a heavy duty supplier of Mexallon, its proximoity to angel space and to some of the most active 0.0 systems for solo and small group PVP makes this result of inactivity highly confusing.
Perhaps the anwser lies more focally in Faction warfare? with farmers taking over FW and a great deal of the older players leaving (yes im looking primarily at Minmatar) due to those same Isk/LP farmers, This would have resulted in a substantial decrease in fights and retrospectively and increase in overpopulation on PVP markets. This in turn will have cause prices to crash as the new farmers saturate the market with new faction items.
So now the market is too cheap to make a profit, so both large scale traders and pvpers are gone, with that so are the big Suicide gankers. Carebears continue to mine/produce and the market collapses completely in hubs, resulting in the big producers leaving to be able to sell nearer to better trade hubs, leaving only small time players left to fend for themselves.
Now i could be completely wrong about all this, but this at least makes sense from what i know/have experienced.
Other factors could include the lack of any story-line in Minmatar space, can we even remember the last time CCP had a story event there? (i Can't) *Not that im blaming CCP* Indeed only the players make a space worth being in, not that minmatar is a bad place just much much more quiet.
or perhaps the factor of proximity to NPC null. as opposed to other regions having player space more closer, It will be interesting to see if minmatar space eventually becomes THE space, as ships, modules and other things.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:05:10 -
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Thanks Zokhandra.
Prices. We're usually in the higher ends of things,
because of a few exploiting the lack of competition.
Can't possibly know for every item, of course.
Very verbose. Thanks!
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:07:19 -
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Hek? nvm
Look at the numbers. Overwhelmingly the playerbase is Caldari. iirc (which I probably don't) Gallente and Amarr are neck and neck for a distant second. Minmatar is by far the least played race. Therefore, Minmatar space is by far the lowest populated.
You need to come out there and tell us how to play the game, so we can impress you.
I survived Win95
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:11:26 -
[44] - Quote
Please source the numbers you are stating.
I am not even disagreeing, my guesstimation is the same-ish.
Anyhow did you state what can be considered a part of the reasons.
There always is more than one reason to everything that happens.
Thanks!
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
56
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:24:31 -
[45] - Quote
Umm, maybe the main reason is simply that Minmatar space is the smallest empire space there is?
I'm too lazy atm to count the highsec systems, but when looking at high + low you get 280 Minmatar systems, 326 Caldari, 388 Gallente and 408 Amarr according to Dotlan. Just assume you were an FW pilot or insignia farmer and would therefore have to more or less abandon one of the empire regions, which one would you choose?
Eve Solecist wrote:I don't have numbers about which faction gets the most newly created chars.
I absolutely assume Amarr, followed by Caldari to be the top two.
Last time i checked it was Caldari>Gallente>Minmatar>Amarr.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:27:45 -
[46] - Quote
Violet Hurst wrote:Umm, maybe the main reason is simply that Minmatar space is the smallest empire space there is? I'm too lazy atm to count the highsec systems, but when looking at high + low you get 280 Minmatar systems, 326 Caldari, 388 Gallente and 408 Amarr according to Dotlan. Just assume you were an FW pilot or insignia farmer and would therefore have to more or less abandon one of the empire regions, which one would you choose? Eve Solecist wrote:I don't have numbers about which faction gets the most newly created chars.
I absolutely assume Amarr, followed by Caldari to be the top two. Last time i checked it was Caldari>Gallente>Minmatar>Amarr. Interesting point, but didn't stop people in the years before the decline.
I'm sure it adds up as another reason, though.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Zockhandra
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:29:42 -
[47] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Thanks Zokhandra.
Prices. We're usually in the higher ends of things,
because of a few exploiting the lack of competition.
Can't possibly know for every item, of course.
Very verbose. Thanks!
Thought its also nice to note on a previous post you made.
Space in EVE, does it have to be active? an entire region can be quiet as death and still be alot of fun (i know this isnt entirely relatable to the initial point) But a quiet region does present oppourtuniities, possibly with the right group of players it could become a region unlike the rest, isnt that part of the uniqueness of EVE?
Back to the actual topic, to which prices do you refer, the ones in regional around Hek? |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
316
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:32:10 -
[48] - Quote
Both Rens & Hek are very healthy, considering overall universal stagnation conditions. Yes, Dodixie is more vibrant still, but it is because there is less junk particles per m3 of space. 
Lief should return to New Eden this Summer, or Autumn at the latest, following the expansions - we almost hit 40k people past Sunday!
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:34:00 -
[49] - Quote
Zockhandra wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Thanks Zokhandra.
Prices. We're usually in the higher ends of things,
because of a few exploiting the lack of competition.
Can't possibly know for every item, of course.
Very verbose. Thanks! Thought its also nice to note on a previous post you made. Space in EVE, does it have to be active? an entire region can be quiet as death and still be alot of fun (i know this isnt entirely relatable to the initial point) But a quiet region does present oppourtuniities, possibly with the right group of players it could become a region unlike the rest, isnt that part of the uniqueness of EVE? Back to the actual topic, to which prices do you refer, the ones in regional around Hek?
I'm talking about Hek prices, which most often surpass the surrounding systems.
Well, my point is that lack of activity is simply a bad thing by definition.
Of course you have a point regarding "going to empty systems for a change",
but there are lots of better looking systems out there for that.
If people mostly gather up everywhere else, that means there's something wrong.
Simlly from the game's perspective. People should want to live anywhere.
One part of space being abandoned means that there's an issue.
The reasons we are trying to gather up in here.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2851
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:35:46 -
[50] - Quote
GankYou wrote:Both Rens & Hek are very healthy, considering overall universal stagnation conditions. Yes, Dodixie is more vibrant still, but it is because there is less junk particles per m3 of space. Lief should return to New Eden this Summer, or Autumn at the latest, following the expansions - we almost hit 40k people past Sunday!
No, Hek isn't healthy and Liaf doesn't really add much as the generic gameplay type he is.
And yeah I saw the 40k.
My thread got locked as trolling. tz.
No use though if the majority of people who live in Hek ...
... are from one TZ only ...
... not that many anyway ...
... and the rest of the day it's dead.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Pius Pareka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:38:00 -
[51] - Quote
I don't always go into Matari space, but when I do...
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
320
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:40:59 -
[52] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:GankYou wrote:Both Rens & Hek are very healthy, considering overall universal stagnation conditions. Yes, Dodixie is more vibrant still, but it is because there is less junk particles per m3 of space. Lief should return to New Eden this Summer, or Autumn at the latest, following the expansions - we almost hit 40k people past Sunday! No, Hek isn't healthy and Liaf doesn't really add much as the generic gameplay type he is. And yeah I saw the 40k. My thread got locked as trolling. tz. No use though if the majority of people who live in Hek ... ... are from one TZ only ... ... not that many anyway ... ... and the rest of the day it's dead.
I've updated my poast.
Read that, pesky troller.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive
Universal Consortium
76
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:42:24 -
[53] - Quote
It's not only Hek, the issue is bigger. The place became a trade hub due to its lowsec connection in the first place.
Rancer and Ammamake are also empty, at most i saw like 10 people there last week. And Molden Heath is just too remote from FW to attract large lowsec outfits i guess.
But with people congregating on FW regions and carebears moving to SoE lvl4 or Cal Nav lvl4's to get their Jita tax standings, the vibrancy of the area has diminished somewhat.
The removal of the Highway stargates to Yulai made Rens (long ago) the most remote hub in New Eden and with people basing out of Jita/Amarr for their lowsec content Hek is just a dry husk of what it used to be with Teonusude not far behind.
The -what like- 6 or 7 .5 systems between Hek and Jita or the 28 Jumps from Amarr to Rens do not really invite the Freighter peoples to just hop in and fly over either.
Also jump freighters have made it possible to move a lot of trade into lowsec itself, and with more people capable of using/willing to use these you might see trade in the smaller hubs close to low fall even further. Then you have the giant corp/alliances who just don't seem interested in the nullsec around Minmatar Space and prefer to jump into Delerik and use Amarr for their trade.
And then there is the idea of newbeans joining the zerg corporations who have no incentive to move into a region with all these issues. People start the game, fly to Jita because its the best Walmart around and then Join Karmafleet (up north), Pandemic Horde (Catch/Provi) or Brave (Previous Catch now Fountain) or start Exploration and the mix is complete. You don't need any other system than Jita as an explorer.
I like the region due to nostalgia, and Amarr and Jita are only like 10 jumps away if you hop over to lowsec. Rancer has had its issues with smartbombs on the gate that has no celestial's around for 80AU but regulars know how to get around those mostly. And its empty now anyways, but it does mean traveling through lowsec and Frighters don't like that i think.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2853
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:48:13 -
[54] - Quote
Great post, Ssoraszh!
And yeah I went the Hek-Jita shortcut through Rancer several times.
In my pod.
Unharmed.
Nine jumps. Or twelve? Think nine.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2853
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:48:48 -
[55] - Quote
Minmatar was always the more piratey space... hm.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
323
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:49:45 -
[56] - Quote
Regarding the routes - I do agree that there should be some sort of minor shortcut to Hek/Rens from Amarr space, without either having to fly thru Bleak Lands LS or Caldari the Citadel region -> then Essence -> and Sinq Laison to reach Metropolis. 
1) Jita traffic and occupancy level would be reduced;
2) More trade in Dodixie and Amarr;
3) Rens & Hek will get revitalised due to the trade from Amarr markets;
CCPls
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
279
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:50:33 -
[57] - Quote
its full of filthy slaves?
Maybe I should have made my char Amarr |
Hipqo
Project AIice
Whatever.
113
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:03:09 -
[58] - Quote
Personally i dont like mimmatar space, because of the nebula colors and minmatar station designs, and thats coming from a minmatar character :P (which quickly rolled gallente and caldari hah!)
It just feels sad to fly there tbh, it feels like the stations are held together by duct tape and tinfoil and i generally dont really like the looks of it.
So i stay away to avoid space depression :)
Also, im not sure if this is just me, but living in a WH gives us very few minmatar space connections and when we get then, we dont really care, because both Hek and Rens arent really good market hubs imho.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2854
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:06:14 -
[59] - Quote
Again the color thing.
I believe the redbrown is there for several reasons.
First of all, because of the connection to minmatar rustbrown.
Then the lowsec thing. Hub that's 0.5. FW.
It screams "haven for pirates".
Red as a color is considered as being aggressive, sexual, energetic.
Other spaces give off completely different feelings,
with minmatar being the most specific.
Very interesting.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
324
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:15:22 -
[60] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Again the color thing.
I believe the redbrown is there for several reasons.
First of all, because of the connection to minmatar rustbrown.
Then the lowsec thing. Hub that's 0.5. FW.
It screams "haven for pirates".
Red as a color is considered as being aggressive, sexual, energetic.
Other spaces give off completely different feelings,
with minmatar being the most specific.
Very interesting.
True dat, sistah.
Red space forever GÖÑ Ever since I discovered Amamake-Auga-Siseide roaming grounds, and settled in Rancer at one point, which is Sinq Laison region but herpdiderp. GÖÑ
I actually remember doing Can Art when it was still legal in the Bosboger and Gulmogorod system. It was a Jolly Roger. 
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Zockhandra
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
8
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:19:47 -
[61] - Quote
GankYou wrote:True dat, sistah. Red space forever GÖÑ Ever since I discovered Amamake-Auga-Siseide roaming grounds, and settled in Rancer at one point, which is Sinq Laison region but herpdiderp. GÖÑ I actually remember doing Can Art when it was still legal in the Bosboger and Gulmogorod systems. It was a splendid Jolly Roger.
Those systems used to be awesome, now they are populated by nothing save some very rude and isolated indivduals. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
327
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:21:26 -
[62] - Quote
Some example of Can Art - http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2008/05/os107_eve_425.jpg
Probably done by MC. or [FRICK].
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2854
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:25:17 -
[63] - Quote
Yeah nowadays the space is rather...
When people can fly from Hek to Jita in nine jumps without issues ...
... through rancer ...
... but don't really do it ...
... then that's also a sign of a huge problem.
People should love to go this short route.
The systems on route barely have locals.
Probably the safest lowsec trade route now.
It's a shame...
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
33
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:06:36 -
[64] - Quote
I too like Minmatar space. I'm ok with there being portions of space that are relatively inactive. You have your bustling cities and your backwater boonies.
I think the simple explanation for why Minmatar space is unpopulated and rustic is pretty clear, though:
racism |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6629
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:32:02 -
[65] - Quote
Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2855
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:47:38 -
[66] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ...
... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare?
Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
3
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:39:42 -
[67] - Quote
Hi. Only been playing about a month now and I have also just recently "flown the coop" from my home in Lanngsi, which was 2 jumps from Hek to a remote highsec pocket in Aridia thanks to a wormhole. Brought literally all my assets along .. for no reason other than the opportunity just being there.
Perhaps it's my Vherokior blood..
I'll probably stay there until the next wormhole. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6629
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:10:16 -
[68] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ... ... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare? Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?
Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh".
Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget.
Nostalgia
and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them
One big meh
and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2855
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:18:00 -
[69] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ... ... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare? Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters? Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh". Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget. Nostalgia and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them One big meh and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh "Meh" is a very discouraging and disheartening reaction.
Why not help creating a new golden age?
The good days aren't gone ...
... they just aren't being lived anymore.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure
Black Legion.
1506
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:30:55 -
[70] - Quote
Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2855
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:33:16 -
[71] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there. That's certainly a way to see it.
I like the additional information you provide.
The newb organisations strike me, though.
Who would that be?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure
Black Legion.
1506
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:36:03 -
[72] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there. That's certainly a way to see it. I like the additional information you provide. The newb organisations strike me, though. Who would that be?
Eve uni was basically the only choice for a long time, and you'd have to go to aldrat to get free skill books and hulls etc. now they have set up in syndicate, placid, some other place as well iirc. Now you also have karmafleet, BNI, horde, and whatnot. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
230
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Posted - 2015.05.08 20:17:41 -
[73] - Quote
IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.
Hopefully I never see any of you again.
Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2856
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:08:04 -
[74] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.
Hopefully I never see any of you again.
Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.
That's really one way too obvious bait.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Daerrol
Quantum Singularities
Half Massed
150
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:58:30 -
[75] - Quote
distance from Jita
Hek is a major trade hub... 0.5 sec status ya rly
What is there? FW space... and? Nothing. Wildlands has crappy exlpo.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2858
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:11:03 -
[76] - Quote
Look what happened. ^_^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i12yk3fZVHw&feature=youtu.be
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1490
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:22:38 -
[77] - Quote
Elenahina wrote:I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while.
...
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas. Is the Minmatar a token race / space?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
.
High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
736
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:36:57 -
[78] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:
From this angle, Minmatar are the only ones who exist just for the sake of existing,
while all others actually provide something people can identify with.
Minmatar are nearly the only choice I can identify with. They seem to be more individualistic. The other races are caricatures. Religious nutters, corporate/military jackoffs... Gallente I could probably put up with, maybe a bit too hedonistic for me but they're artsy so I'm sure we could find some common ground.
But yeah, Gallente and Caldari are the most generic, general sci-fi races, with ships that mimic real life battleships and such... so I can see why they would draw in the masses. If you want to feel like you're in Star Trek/Star Wars/some other dated IP/some anime crap, then Caldari/Gallente is the way to go.
However, Minmatar sort of has the underdog role, which is usually popular I think?
As for the color theory, I wouldn't be surprised if the red nebulae has a part to play. Caldari/Amarr space feels more natural to us probably, mimicking the yellow light of the sun or the blue light of the sky. Gallente green feels murky and underwater, which is still not quite as alien as Minmatar's red light. When I think of red light I think of sci-fi movies about Mars or "dark rooms" for photography. Red light tends to make everything really monochromatic. Not very pleasing or natural feeling. Personally, I think CCP went way overboard with all of the nebulae.
All of my main-ish characters are Minmatar, and I stuck mostly to Minmatar space for my first couple years in this game. Mostly because my mains at the time were in a small corp down there. I think I remember seeing one of your characters flashy red all the time down there, Solecist. It was a male character though. And I seem to remember him hanging out somewhere along the route from Hek to Oppold. Maturat maybe.
Anyway, I left Minmatar space because I got sick of having to travel all the way up to Caldari all the time to get at the best exploration loot, or to get to Amarr/Jita. Now I'm stationed between Amarr/Jita for easy access to everything. I recently tried coming back down to Minmatar space, and looked for other explorers to play with, but I didn't see anyone running sites so I got bored and went back to Caldari space. Minmatar space actually has the second most valuable exploration loot so I would expect there to be a decent number of explorers around.
Minmatar has the coolest music in their intro video thing.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
56
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Posted - 2015.05.09 02:04:57 -
[79] - Quote
That drifter stuff could become something really nice, no doubt about that. I prefer the scope vids that are used as participatory design methods though. Hell, even a good freighter gank or a market coup may be newsworthy and might even encourage some people to take a few more risks. After all "Look mum, i'm on TV!" is quite a desirable asset.
Footnote: If you're wondering what PD has to do with CCP, just search for "Andie Nordgren" on Youtube. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2015.05.09 04:54:39 -
[80] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:
Hek is a dead place
Thanks!
What the Hek are you talking sbout !!?
what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness??
form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine .
market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead.
PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems.
the low sec systems also have roaming gangs .
so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.05.09 05:39:10 -
[81] - Quote
In 0.5-0.7 space Minmatar has omber. Omber has for a long time been the least profitable ore to mine so I would guess that there are hardly any miners there compared to the other areas.
fewer miners means fewer gankers
fewer miners means that big industrialists cant get enough materials and as mentioned before, its a long/ difficult route to import it all from jita.
i also think that lv4 mission runners want to base out of 0.5 or 0.6 systems to get the most LP possible they can from high sec, Metropolis has 5 systems like that, Lonetrek has 17 |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2859
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:40:08 -
[82] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:
Hek is a dead place
Thanks!
What the Hek are you talking sbout !!? what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness?? form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine . market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead. PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems. the low sec systems also have roaming gangs . so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.
Friday night during the most active TZ.
D'uh.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive
Universal Consortium
78
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Posted - 2015.05.09 11:50:03 -
[83] - Quote
Sri Nova wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:
Hek is a dead place
Thanks!
What the Hek are you talking sbout !!? what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness?? form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine . market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead. PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems. the low sec systems also have roaming gangs . so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.
You look at it how it is, not in comparison with how it used to be. Yes there still are people but there has been a steady decline in activity around the area's and Hek now has around 100 people average in stead of the 200 to 300 it had one maybe two years ago. Weekends still bring in people and from time to time Eve Uni and Spectre stage fleets so that boost numbers. But just flying around the systems in the region you see loads of systems with just a few people there. And havinbg done a bit of market trading in Hek i know some orders you can set and be top order for a whole week before someone 0.1 isks you.
Rens is in a better place but the surrounding region also has the 5 to 10 people per system, and as I said before the lowsec in Hek is almost never camped, 2 jumps out only a few times a week and those people do not live around there. They base out of other regions and use the Amarr/Jita hubs to procure their stuff or the lowsec hubs around FW.
We used to joke about Derelik being a dead zone, but the activity levels around the Matari regions are not much higher than those in Derelik these days.
I wonder if anyone has any market volume history so we can make comparisons on volume and orders listed, maybe its just a feeling and a result of being in the most abandoned timezone but the feeling is there with more than just a single person.
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
231
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:54:59 -
[84] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.
Hopefully I never see any of you again.
Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.
That's really one way too obvious bait.
Which it would be i suppose if it were in fact a bait statement but it expresses my exact feelings on the matter with no alternative motives (for instance i have never ganked another player).
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Telegram Sam
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
1490
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Posted - 2015.05.12 20:53:54 -
[85] - Quote
I just came back to Minmatar space after being out for a while. The low sec systems seem pretty empty, compared to a couple of years ago. Maybe a chance for solo PVP? Maybe it's not dead anymore after all? |
Caljiav Ocanon
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2015.05.12 23:09:03 -
[86] - Quote
I want to like Minmatar space but the bright red nebula just makes my eyes hurt after a while, it's too bright for me. Same with Amarr space as well actually. Something about the color and/or brightness just turns me off of it completely.
I moved to Gallente space because;
A) It's not Caldari space (not because I dislike the Caldari but because it's over crowded IMHO)
B) It's more visually appealing to me/easier on the eyes.
Now I live in nullsec and the dark space here works out great for me as well so yeah. |
Telegram Sam
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
1490
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:07:07 -
[87] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ... ... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare? Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters? Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh". Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget. Nostalgia and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them One big meh and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh
I hear you mate. Rancer, and before that, Amamake. Nonstop low sec slaughter. I used to be proud of my route through Amamake, that went through the two least-camped gates. Still, it was a was a hail mary and hold your breathe trip. Then Rancer was like that, then that dribbled away to safeness too.
What happened to low sec around there? Did it just happen around there, or is low sec low population all around? That's an in-earnest question. (I honestly don't know). |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:26:10 -
[88] - Quote
Hopefully, it still remains true, pointless repetitive activity becomes boring. Eventually, even the marginally intelligent will stop and do something else. How many years can people camp a gate in Rancer and claim they "game"? Please.
This thread reflects a level of IQ loss that is astounding. It's the "new" EVE!
I survived Win95
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
369
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Posted - 2015.05.13 02:12:25 -
[89] - Quote
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:
I wonder if anyone has any market volume history so we can make comparisons on volume and orders listed, maybe its just a feeling and a result of being in the most abandoned timezone but the feeling is there with more than just a single person.
http://eve-marketdata.com/station.php?step=History&station_id=60005686
Hek appears to have 4.36 Trillion ISK-worth in Market orders - it has grown to this from 1.5 Tn in mid 2012-YC114.
Amarr 14 Tn, and Jita 44 Tn.
Can't wait for the new player Citadel stations to bust up those places.
FOR YULAI!
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners.
Strange Phenomenon
35
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:16:40 -
[90] - Quote
Pure and unadulterated racism. I think the majority of EVE's playerbase doesn't like the vast amount of Russian players and the RPers don't like the Brutors for (whatever reason) that inhabit Minmatar space. Actually had players tell me they did not like Russians. WTF? And with players saying things like they can't stand the "reddish brown hue" of the space I think it is very clear.
Also Minmatar ore sucks.  |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
471
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:38:06 -
[91] - Quote
People aren't there, because of the exact reasons why you are |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
151
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Posted - 2015.05.13 06:08:50 -
[92] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Minmatar space has been the ass end of nowhere for as long as I can remember.
Wrong again.
When I started to play EvE back in 2006 Minmatar space was a buzz.
Now these days people are saying that Minmatar space is slowing down.
Well it all depends of which TZ you are in and what area of the RL world you live in.
And the real life seasons we need to add in as well.
Someone must be smoking the good stuff 
**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
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Rhalina Sedai
Notice Has Been Served
10
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Posted - 2015.05.13 11:34:37 -
[93] - Quote
Minmatar space is alive and well, especially the areas around Panorad. |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
24262
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Posted - 2015.05.13 11:39:31 -
[94] - Quote
I think this is my firsg thread where I have to say that ...
... opinions actually provide interesting information.
That's a first.
Thank you all so far! :)
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
Abolish Rookiecorps.
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Telegram Sam
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
1492
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:47:19 -
[95] - Quote
Had some interesting solo PVP in Min low sec last evening, btw. Actually one ship vs. one ship, and not a duel or some kind of pre-arranged thing. A real fight stalking/being stalked one on one fight. Incredible, I know.
(Also, interesting that the nebula colors and station and gate designs affect people's enjoyment that much. Wouldn't have thought that about EVE players. I guess we're not all bean-counting ultra-nerd philistines after all  ). |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
918
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:55:39 -
[96] - Quote
As a player who calls Hek home for well over 6 years, I can answer some of the questions from OP. Yes, I have been actively playing in W-Space, I have been involved in small and large scale alliance nullsec politics and combat, but my highsec home has always been Hek.
Let's see first why I chose Hek.
I chose Hek because it's near multiple regions. Hek is in Metropolis, Eystur is Heimatar and just one jump away, Otou is Sinq Laison and is also just one jump away. In my early days I used to do inter-regional trading, so having quick access to market data in Dodixie (Sinq Laison), Rens (Heimatar) and Hek (Metropolis) was a big plus.
Second reason was a good quality agent in Nakugard. What's so special about this particular agent is that he's a member of Krusual tribe - mostly lowsec NPC corp with somewhat unusual LP store. They offer 5 run BPCs of Minmatar Afterburners and Microwarp drives. It's not that special now, after all the changes that took place in the game (namely Factional warfare LP store changes a couple of years back), but back in the days it was a gold mine. While we're at agents, when SoE expanded agents in highsec, Lanngisi got a level 4 security SoE agent, and that's only 2 jumps away from Hek.
Third reason is COSMOS constellation just one jump away. This attracted me years ago when I first started playing the game and was "leveling up my Raven". When you are relatively new to the game and doing level 4 missions for a while, you start to look for other challenges and to see what else game has to offer. COSMOS was a good change of pace to keep me hooked to the game in those early days, since we didn't have epic mission arcs back then. Well, it kept me interested in the game until I received my first wardec (also based in Hek) and got hooked on PvP.
Fourth reason is industrial potential of the area. Nakugard (1 jump away) had an ice belt, many free moons and decent belts, since it's a 0.5 system. Barkrik (1 jump away from Nakugard) also had an ice belt. And since I had easy access to real time market data from 3 of 5 major trade hubs from Hek, I got my first POS in Nakugard. I removed it when I moved to null, but the fact is that the area provided me access to a new gameplay (POS and industry) while I was still a newb.
Fifth reason is Tribal liberation force stations in Hek and Amo (2 jumps away). It's an excellent place to base your FW operations in. Although Hek might not be the most active or populated market, it can serve well enough for basing your FW operations in.
Sixth reason is the proximity of multiple research agents. Before the Factional warfare LP store change, datacores were very profitable static income which could be doubled if you did a daily courier mission for the research agent.
Seventh reason is the proximity of Uttindar > Bei gate - a highsec choke point ideal for trying out suicide ganking.
Eighth reason is the relative proximity of Minmatar and Gallente epic arcs.
So, as you can see, those who really "live" in Hek know these things already. It's not the system that is attractive, it's the surrounding area. You base your operations in Hek, you make home there, but you primarily play in the surrounding area. Most of those who are docked in Hek are AFK, since they already did what they wanted in the area and are taking a break, or they are preparing and planning their next move in the area or browsing the market while being docked in Hek.
If you take a look at all the reasons listed above, you'll see that players who chose to call Hek home know how to play the game since they can detect multiple opportunities in the area. It's far away from Jita or Amarr, which can deter many players who, like in any other MMO, flock to the most populated "cities". It requires a bit more effort and travel around the area to get things done, but in my opinion it's more rewarding than many other areas in the game. It also means that the usual trade hub spam is much less frequent than in other trade hubs. Maybe that's why it seems like the local chat is less active.
TL:DR
You base your operations from Hek, but you play in the surrounding area. Hek is mostly an AFK / resting / planning system which is why it's more quiet than other hubs. |
Melek D'Ivri
Nachtwasser GmbH
49
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Posted - 2015.06.09 01:43:10 -
[97] - Quote
Hek and Rens fight for the trading too much. I think it has a lot less to do with being so remote from Jita and Amarr than it does with being a 2 for 1 deal. Minmatar space needs to unify into a single trade hub SOMEWHERE (it doesn't matter where) but with all the people running for SOE I'm surprised the SOE Station in Rens isn't starting to take away from the Brutor station (despite being the Minmatar arc corp).
I started minmatar because of me thinking speed tanking was cool. I don't really speed tank anything. But it was what got me started, then I played in Minmatar space for a long time before leaving to travel the world. I still come back sometimes, and remember you from Hek local definitely. There are huge chunks of "safe" Minmatar space that don't require going near even 0.6 systems for the people that fear that.
I would love to see Hek take over as the dominant trade hub, but Rens refuses for some reason. Minmatar space is actually in a unique opportunity where being so far away is a good thing (if there was only one trade system), because you have the option of going 5-6 jumps for a moderately priced module, or 20-30 for a great priced same module in Jita. Instead you can go a few jumps to either hub and get gouged or sell your items for piddly amounts. Your choice.
P.S. I loved your posts on getting rid of NPC corps and revamping the careers/corp joining process. Much love for shouting out Pro Synergy specifically as a salvager corp, those guys are great! |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2015.06.09 03:59:36 -
[98] - Quote
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Redacted .
Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jesus your giving away all the secrets ! |
Truckinc
Hyperbolic Galacticum
0
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Posted - 2015.06.09 07:23:48 -
[99] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Sweet Adamas wrote:I live in Minmatar space and i like it.
there are plenty of people around doing there thing. Much bearing and pvping but
if you are looking for people to gank i suggest you go to Caldari space as you wont find to many in Minmatar space I never said anything about a relation to my own interests and it's not even implied. Please list the systems or constellations you see actual activity in and please do not forget that local is a huge part of this activity. It's not that I don't believe you, but details are lacking.
Please! You're just oozing butthurt. Tough to shoot fish in a barrel when the barrel is empty? I think I just shed a tear for you.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
595
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Posted - 2015.06.09 08:06:12 -
[100] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Apparently this happened a few hours after I made this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i12yk3fZVHw&feature=youtu.be!Metropolis. Minmatar space.
So people approach me about this topic. Minmatar space is rather low on the activity barometer. In the last years lots of formerly active corporations and alliances left it. People left for caldari space, or gallente space. Where ever there is more action. Now the amarrians get so see more activity with the Drifters as well. Excuse me? What am I missing? Did they remove something from Minmatar space? Is it the rather unpleasant looking nebula? Hek is a dead place with hundred people and barely activity. Most people seem to be outside boundless during the USTZ ... ... and these aren't exactly top quality players eithed. Silence is the loudest noise. Carebears everywhere. And no one can tell me Hek is full of traders being busy. I just need to look ag the market to know that's not true. Minmatar space is boring. I felt it every single day in the last days and people confirmed me my feeling. So what's wrong with it? And hey, I'm not asking anyone to change that, I can do that myself. I want to know why the only region with a 0.5hub system directly at a lowsec border is so dead. Thanks!
Simple : Minmatar space is like Romania. :D
The place is AWESOME but the greener pastures are always somewhere else...
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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