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Zockhandra
Zeura Brotherhood
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:19:47 -
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GankYou wrote:True dat, sistah. Red space forever GÖÑ Ever since I discovered Amamake-Auga-Siseide roaming grounds, and settled in Rancer at one point, which is Sinq Laison region but herpdiderp. GÖÑ I actually remember doing Can Art when it was still legal in the Bosboger and Gulmogorod systems. It was a splendid Jolly Roger. 
Those systems used to be awesome, now they are populated by nothing save some very rude and isolated indivduals. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
327
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:21:26 -
[62] - Quote
Some example of Can Art - http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2008/05/os107_eve_425.jpg
Probably done by MC. or [FRICK].
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2854
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:25:17 -
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Yeah nowadays the space is rather...
When people can fly from Hek to Jita in nine jumps without issues ...
... through rancer ...
... but don't really do it ...
... then that's also a sign of a huge problem.
People should love to go this short route.
The systems on route barely have locals.
Probably the safest lowsec trade route now.
It's a shame...
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
33
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:06:36 -
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I too like Minmatar space. I'm ok with there being portions of space that are relatively inactive. You have your bustling cities and your backwater boonies.
I think the simple explanation for why Minmatar space is unpopulated and rustic is pretty clear, though:
racism |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6629
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:32:02 -
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Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2855
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:47:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ...
... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare?
Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
3
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:39:42 -
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Hi. Only been playing about a month now and I have also just recently "flown the coop" from my home in Lanngsi, which was 2 jumps from Hek to a remote highsec pocket in Aridia thanks to a wormhole. Brought literally all my assets along .. for no reason other than the opportunity just being there.
Perhaps it's my Vherokior blood.. 
I'll probably stay there until the next wormhole. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6629
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:10:16 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ... ... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare? Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?
Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh".
Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget.
Nostalgia
and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them
One big meh
and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2855
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:18:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ... ... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare? Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters? Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh". Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget. Nostalgia and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them One big meh and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh "Meh" is a very discouraging and disheartening reaction.
Why not help creating a new golden age?
The good days aren't gone ...
... they just aren't being lived anymore.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure
Black Legion.
1506
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:30:55 -
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Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2855
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:33:16 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there. That's certainly a way to see it.
I like the additional information you provide.
The newb organisations strike me, though.
Who would that be?
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure
Black Legion.
1506
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:36:03 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Minmatar is far from jita. Either a long way around or through rancer and miroitem. Even when the pirates moved out of rancer people still have it on their avoid list and probably forgot to de avoid it. Also eve uni use to base from aldrat 5 jumps from hel, so lots of uni and their alts used it as a hub. Idk if uni is still there but they are spread around multiple campus now at least, plus other newb organzation suck up the new players so most new players have no reason to set foot there. That's certainly a way to see it. I like the additional information you provide. The newb organisations strike me, though. Who would that be?
Eve uni was basically the only choice for a long time, and you'd have to go to aldrat to get free skill books and hulls etc. now they have set up in syndicate, placid, some other place as well iirc. Now you also have karmafleet, BNI, horde, and whatnot. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
230
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Posted - 2015.05.08 20:17:41 -
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IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.
Hopefully I never see any of you again.
Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2856
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:08:04 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.
Hopefully I never see any of you again.
Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.
That's really one way too obvious bait.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Daerrol
Quantum Singularities
Half Massed
150
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:58:30 -
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distance from Jita
Hek is a major trade hub... 0.5 sec status ya rly
What is there? FW space... and? Nothing. Wildlands has crappy exlpo.
Still better than Khanid/Ammatar. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2858
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:11:03 -
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Look what happened. ^_^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i12yk3fZVHw&feature=youtu.be
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1490
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:22:38 -
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Elenahina wrote:I like Minmatar space when I want some peace and quiet to do my own thing for a while.
...
Minmatar space is basically the bastard child of Empire space. We all know it's there, but it just doesn't imprint itself on the cllective consciousness like the other areas. Is the Minmatar a token race / space? 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
736
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:36:57 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
From this angle, Minmatar are the only ones who exist just for the sake of existing,
while all others actually provide something people can identify with.
Minmatar are nearly the only choice I can identify with. They seem to be more individualistic. The other races are caricatures. Religious nutters, corporate/military jackoffs... Gallente I could probably put up with, maybe a bit too hedonistic for me but they're artsy so I'm sure we could find some common ground.
But yeah, Gallente and Caldari are the most generic, general sci-fi races, with ships that mimic real life battleships and such... so I can see why they would draw in the masses. If you want to feel like you're in Star Trek/Star Wars/some other dated IP/some anime crap, then Caldari/Gallente is the way to go.
However, Minmatar sort of has the underdog role, which is usually popular I think?
As for the color theory, I wouldn't be surprised if the red nebulae has a part to play. Caldari/Amarr space feels more natural to us probably, mimicking the yellow light of the sun or the blue light of the sky. Gallente green feels murky and underwater, which is still not quite as alien as Minmatar's red light. When I think of red light I think of sci-fi movies about Mars or "dark rooms" for photography. Red light tends to make everything really monochromatic. Not very pleasing or natural feeling. Personally, I think CCP went way overboard with all of the nebulae.
All of my main-ish characters are Minmatar, and I stuck mostly to Minmatar space for my first couple years in this game. Mostly because my mains at the time were in a small corp down there. I think I remember seeing one of your characters flashy red all the time down there, Solecist. It was a male character though. And I seem to remember him hanging out somewhere along the route from Hek to Oppold. Maturat maybe.
Anyway, I left Minmatar space because I got sick of having to travel all the way up to Caldari all the time to get at the best exploration loot, or to get to Amarr/Jita. Now I'm stationed between Amarr/Jita for easy access to everything. I recently tried coming back down to Minmatar space, and looked for other explorers to play with, but I didn't see anyone running sites so I got bored and went back to Caldari space. Minmatar space actually has the second most valuable exploration loot so I would expect there to be a decent number of explorers around.
Minmatar has the coolest music in their intro video thing.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
56
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Posted - 2015.05.09 02:04:57 -
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That drifter stuff could become something really nice, no doubt about that. I prefer the scope vids that are used as participatory design methods though. Hell, even a good freighter gank or a market coup may be newsworthy and might even encourage some people to take a few more risks. After all "Look mum, i'm on TV!" is quite a desirable asset.
Footnote: If you're wondering what PD has to do with CCP, just search for "Andie Nordgren" on Youtube. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2015.05.09 04:54:39 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
Hek is a dead place
Thanks!
What the Hek are you talking sbout !!?
what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness??
form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine .
market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead.
PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems.
the low sec systems also have roaming gangs .
so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.05.09 05:39:10 -
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In 0.5-0.7 space Minmatar has omber. Omber has for a long time been the least profitable ore to mine so I would guess that there are hardly any miners there compared to the other areas.
fewer miners means fewer gankers
fewer miners means that big industrialists cant get enough materials and as mentioned before, its a long/ difficult route to import it all from jita.
i also think that lv4 mission runners want to base out of 0.5 or 0.6 systems to get the most LP possible they can from high sec, Metropolis has 5 systems like that, Lonetrek has 17 |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2859
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:40:08 -
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Sri Nova wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:
Hek is a dead place
Thanks!
What the Hek are you talking sbout !!? what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness?? form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine . market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead. PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems. the low sec systems also have roaming gangs . so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.
Friday night during the most active TZ.
D'uh.
Abolish Rookiecorps
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive
Universal Consortium
78
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Posted - 2015.05.09 11:50:03 -
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Sri Nova wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:
Hek is a dead place
Thanks!
What the Hek are you talking sbout !!? what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness?? form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine . market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead. PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems. the low sec systems also have roaming gangs . so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.
You look at it how it is, not in comparison with how it used to be. Yes there still are people but there has been a steady decline in activity around the area's and Hek now has around 100 people average in stead of the 200 to 300 it had one maybe two years ago. Weekends still bring in people and from time to time Eve Uni and Spectre stage fleets so that boost numbers. But just flying around the systems in the region you see loads of systems with just a few people there. And havinbg done a bit of market trading in Hek i know some orders you can set and be top order for a whole week before someone 0.1 isks you.
Rens is in a better place but the surrounding region also has the 5 to 10 people per system, and as I said before the lowsec in Hek is almost never camped, 2 jumps out only a few times a week and those people do not live around there. They base out of other regions and use the Amarr/Jita hubs to procure their stuff or the lowsec hubs around FW.
We used to joke about Derelik being a dead zone, but the activity levels around the Matari regions are not much higher than those in Derelik these days.
I wonder if anyone has any market volume history so we can make comparisons on volume and orders listed, maybe its just a feeling and a result of being in the most abandoned timezone but the feeling is there with more than just a single person.
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
231
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:54:59 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.
Hopefully I never see any of you again.
Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.
That's really one way too obvious bait.
Which it would be i suppose if it were in fact a bait statement but it expresses my exact feelings on the matter with no alternative motives (for instance i have never ganked another player).
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Telegram Sam
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
1490
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Posted - 2015.05.12 20:53:54 -
[85] - Quote
I just came back to Minmatar space after being out for a while. The low sec systems seem pretty empty, compared to a couple of years ago. Maybe a chance for solo PVP? Maybe it's not dead anymore after all? |
Caljiav Ocanon
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2015.05.12 23:09:03 -
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I want to like Minmatar space but the bright red nebula just makes my eyes hurt after a while, it's too bright for me. Same with Amarr space as well actually. Something about the color and/or brightness just turns me off of it completely.
I moved to Gallente space because;
A) It's not Caldari space (not because I dislike the Caldari but because it's over crowded IMHO)
B) It's more visually appealing to me/easier on the eyes.
Now I live in nullsec and the dark space here works out great for me as well so yeah. |
Telegram Sam
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
1490
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:07:07 -
[87] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.
Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers. You mean people sitting at the undock ... ... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare? Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters? Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh". Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget. Nostalgia and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them One big meh and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh
I hear you mate. Rancer, and before that, Amamake. Nonstop low sec slaughter. I used to be proud of my route through Amamake, that went through the two least-camped gates. Still, it was a was a hail mary and hold your breathe trip. Then Rancer was like that, then that dribbled away to safeness too.
What happened to low sec around there? Did it just happen around there, or is low sec low population all around? That's an in-earnest question. (I honestly don't know). |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:26:10 -
[88] - Quote
Hopefully, it still remains true, pointless repetitive activity becomes boring. Eventually, even the marginally intelligent will stop and do something else. How many years can people camp a gate in Rancer and claim they "game"? Please.
This thread reflects a level of IQ loss that is astounding. It's the "new" EVE!
I survived Win95
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
369
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Posted - 2015.05.13 02:12:25 -
[89] - Quote
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:
I wonder if anyone has any market volume history so we can make comparisons on volume and orders listed, maybe its just a feeling and a result of being in the most abandoned timezone but the feeling is there with more than just a single person.
http://eve-marketdata.com/station.php?step=History&station_id=60005686
Hek appears to have 4.36 Trillion ISK-worth in Market orders - it has grown to this from 1.5 Tn in mid 2012-YC114.
Amarr 14 Tn, and Jita 44 Tn.
Can't wait for the new player Citadel stations to bust up those places.
FOR YULAI!
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners.
Strange Phenomenon
35
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:16:40 -
[90] - Quote
Pure and unadulterated racism. I think the majority of EVE's playerbase doesn't like the vast amount of Russian players and the RPers don't like the Brutors for (whatever reason) that inhabit Minmatar space. Actually had players tell me they did not like Russians. WTF? And with players saying things like they can't stand the "reddish brown hue" of the space I think it is very clear.
Also Minmatar ore sucks.  |
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