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Aggravated Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:18:00 - [31] NO waiii I have a proph kill of telpicks also . He was gaurding some frigs mining in low-sec.
Arkani Gera The Movement	Posted - 2006.11.10 06:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Aerin Suhn The reason given? "One of your corp members was smack-talking us. Oh, but it's nothing personal." karma's a *****, ain't it? The corp is mother, the corp is father. The little badger that could
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:06:00 - [33] I am slowly coming to the conclusion that small, new corps(with more noobs as CEO/Directors) are doing this game a lot more harm than good. Newbs get recruited to them and spend several months learning NOTHING. Then when something happens they either leave the game or jump onto the forums in shock and disbelief. And I am pretty noob friendly on principle. I feel that if they want to help themslves it would be better to join a corp that is not crap. Nerf the ability to create a corp till you are at least a year old ingame. Hehe I feel in the mood for controversy, I might take that idea onto the general discussions and see how high the flames get. F4T4L is Recruiting!
valhalla MCMLXXIV Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Noluck Ned And I am pretty noob friendly on principle. I feel that if they want to help themslves it would be better to join a corp that is not crap. Nerf the ability to create a corp till you are at least a year old ingame. Hehe I feel in the mood for controversy, I might take that idea onto the general discussions and see how high the flames get. I agree entirely. Star Fraction is recruiting, join the revolution!
Davlos Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:49:00 - [35] Could always try asking Goonswarm for help. I remember them helping some random corp just for the heck of it. --------------- Davlos Cain
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Noluck Ned Newbs get recruited to them and spend several months learning NOTHING. Then when something happens they either leave the game or jump onto the forums in shock and disbelief. Or they just get on with the job of fighting back, silently. Don't let the forums paint the full picture. I started my own Corp on Day 3 of Eve, we learnt plenty and when the chips were down, we fought. There's tons of corps like this, you just don't read about it on the forums, is all. ____
Yarda Do'Urden Amarr SuX ltd.	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:52:00 - [37] Smack talking is bad .. mkay Nuff said
Irrilian Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:08:00 - [38] You might find this worth reading: Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defense Beyond the advice there: 1) Whether you wish to pay a ransom to them or not is up to you, but be aware that if you do pay up you've marked yourself out as a sheep to be shorn at regular intervals, especially after posting here. 2) Data mine the kill boards (see the resource sticky in the COAD forum), search the forums for posts containing their corp's name, build up a list of their members, distribute those names amongst your corp members to be added as buddies, keep an eye out for green dots in local indicating the presence of hostiles. It may be worth identifying favored ship types, but just remember that older characters have a fair bit of flexibility in what they can fly. 3) Get your members organized and working together, you're enemies will be operating as a team so you better be too. No lone wolves, stick together and work as a squad. If you can get some form of voice coms. 4) Get out of those expensive ships pve fitted ships with nice loot, get in frigates and cruisers with a heavy bias to electronic warfare. Check the ships forum for pvp setups, but remember you will loose ships, fit them cheaply, any loot they get from you should be junk. 5) Dont go toe to toe with them, aim for quick assaults taking out one ship and running or going after some unwarily lone hostile roaming about. You can loose a lot of insured cheap frigates and only pop one expensive ship and come out a head. 6) Ask your members to check through their lists of agents and see if they have any locater agents, the higher level the better, try to find members of their corp out on their own. Check their standings, see if they have any high standings with particular corps and agents, particularly if you havent really seen that player about with the main group of hostiles, he may be hanger on in the corp rather than an experienced pvper, that member may use such a station as a local base of operations or even run missions during the war it things are slow, Gank them. 7) If you're out running a bear you only have to run faster than your friend. Though initially your opponents will probably enjoy some prey that is actually fighting back rather scattering and has too be chased across the galaxy to be slaughtered, deep down they want easy kills with expensive loot. After a while they the call of easier quicker kills with good loot will become enough that they'll find some other target. 8) Dont smack, dont even talk in local, you've giving away intel even as basic as that player isnt afk. There is nothing fair in war, but if for some reason a member agrees to a 1v1, honour it, though I strongly recommend not giving them the entertainment of such. 9) Remember Eve is a game, a significant proportion of the players enjoy pvp. Wars are cheap to declare, thus the reason for the declaration is probably not personal just an opportunity for some shooty-shooty fun, nice loot and easy kills. Consider this an chance to experience an angle of the game your corp members might not have had before, at worst you'll loose a lot of cheap frigs, but learn something about combat in eve, you might even enjoy it.
Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Aerin Suhn Originally by: LittleTerror Oh boo hoo hoo Hmm nice bio: "My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone, infact I want my pain to be inflicted on others." Boo hoo hoo What do you expect from a (former?) member of "we kill noobs in frigs and shuttles using faction and t2 - equipped battleships" Pirate Coalition?
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Queen Hades Originally by: Aerin Suhn Originally by: LittleTerror Oh boo hoo hoo Hmm nice bio: "My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone, infact I want my pain to be inflicted on others." Boo hoo hoo What do you expect from a (former?) member of "we kill noobs in frigs and shuttles using faction and t2 - equipped battleships" Pirate Coalition? You spend an awful lot of time on the boards saying that. Maybe you should stop flying around in frigs and shuttles and get a real ship. And I guess you should stop being a noob while you are at it. Then we can all be happy. Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
Raven Hopper Gallente Black Dhalia Corp	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:59:00 - [41] ok now this comment on this corperation smacktalking was faulse infact the intel we have recived was 1.aslovi (new to repo industrys) stole 30 k ore 2.telpicks engaged aslovi and lost his ship 3. it was aslovi smacktalking telpicks not the other way around "Impatience is a far more deadly enemy than a fist or a blade. the foolish decisions to lead themselves and others to ruin"
Aslovi	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:28:00 - [42] Raven I don't smack talk and even if i do i'd really expect a bc to take down my caracal, but he didn't he lost i got smack back from other members of your corp so we war dec'd end of story. You will lose ships and lose pods as we all do its a game enjoy the carnage boy.... see you soon VERY soon :)
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:27:00 - [43] War dec'ing new corps is just lame. You don't make much money doing it, you don't get any real PvP, and after the first day you'll be lucky to find any targets at all. Pirate corps that resort to this are typically looking for an ego boost since they are too lazy or unskilled to find real targets. Shamis
Waxau Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:20:00 - [44] Im actually split on opinion here. Ive 'tried' to fight repo before, but sadly no targets presented themselves. However, to be fair, i do believe theyre US folk, so arent on when i am (UK ftl :P) I dont have any respect for Repo, but then again, ive got no reason to have no respect for them. However, in regards to your corp being war dec'd, i shall say just this: Smacktalking is common place in eve. You will find the most veteran of pilots turning to the dark side, and smacktalking. Hell - even i have before. The difference being...they can back up their words. I remeber a video: ( http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4061498523327993113&q=eve%20online ) Here you will notice the victim is swearing, complaining, threatening both regarding ingame and out of game methods. This would be a materialisation of smacktalking. He flew an exequror, and the other guy flew something else (obviously a combat ship ^^). Now - That miner is not in the position to threaten, yet does. So you'll notice what TANK CEO says at the end, about hunting the victim down constantly. People dont like smacktalkers. Not only is it disrespectful, but sometimes harmful, and downright arrogant. You wouldnt do it to someones face, without getting punched, so why should eve be any different?
Sanka Cofie Amarr Ministry of Silly Walks	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Nooey Originally by: Noluck Ned Newbs get recruited to them and spend several months learning NOTHING. Then when something happens they either leave the game or jump onto the forums in shock and disbelief. Or they just get on with the job of fighting back, silently. Don't let the forums paint the full picture. I started my own Corp on Day 3 of Eve, we learnt plenty and when the chips were down, we fought. There's tons of corps like this, you just don't read about it on the forums, is all. /signed. Cut the noobs some slack. Some of them are more resourceful than this bunch. We were wardecced by 3 or 4 carebear corps w/in a month of starting and we did just fine. Reading some of their messages kind of shows why they're doing so poory. And to the original post... what do you mean "real" pirates? Do you mean the ones who pull up on unarmed yachts in speed-boats armed to the teeth with machetes and AK47s?? Or the ones who plowed down unarmed merchantmen in 20 - 30 cannon sloops?? Which pirates are these that you speak of, the ones that fight fair, because i've never heard of them.
Skuzapo	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Karinith Edited by: Karinith on 10/11/2006 06:47:19 Edited by: Karinith on 10/11/2006 02:59:17 Originally by: Aerin Suhn Originally by: Karinith This ain't some kiddie MMORPG where you can act like a pimpled face teenage 1337 kiddie . hmm odd , its your corp that is coming across as pimply faced youths trying to bully new players , you guys picked on boys ur size and got sand kicked your faces ?
Unusual Suspect	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:38:00 - [47] The so called merc corp is probably just a bunch of sad litle loosers who can drop outside noob stations. If they disrupt your game play any just split in diferent directions, look at new systems 20 or so jumps from your hq. Have some fun and wait for the war dec to expire. In my experiance these so called mercs wont travel more than 2 or 3 systems from thier home unless they hire another merc corp to protect themselves. .7 and below will take them right out of there comfort zone, what with all the big 10k rats roaming around Remember the reason they wardec'd you is not because of the smacktalk but the need to feel powerfull and superior and they can only achieve that by picking on noob corps.
Raven Hopper Gallente Black Dhalia Corp	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:22:00 - [48] ok well here is an update on the matter last night the leaders of the corp decided to disolve bdc even tho the member who was supposid smacktalking has already left now they are going to follow each and every member of bdc and keep decing and such untill a fine of 21 million isk is payed per member i think it is just due to the power and not the supposid smacktalking "Impatience is a far more deadly enemy than a fist or a blade. the foolish decisions to lead themselves and others to ruin"
Aslovi	Posted - 2006.11.11 16:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Unusual Suspect The so called merc corp is probably just a bunch of sad litle loosers who can drop outside noob stations. If they disrupt your game play any just split in diferent directions, look at new systems 20 or so jumps from your hq. Have some fun and wait for the war dec to expire. In my experiance these so called mercs wont travel more than 2 or 3 systems from thier home unless they hire another merc corp to protect themselves. .7 and below will take them right out of there comfort zone, what with all the big 10k rats roaming around Remember the reason they wardec'd you is not because of the smacktalk but the need to feel powerfull and superior and they can only achieve that by picking on noob corps. Hmmmm another ill informed player. We are at war with several corps at a time, and to my knowledge never "can dropped" outside stations but Suspect you are entitled to your opinion as much as the next man is even if on this occasion you are wrong :) And tbh having tried to settle this matter with the corp in question we can confirm that they are little more than nOOb smack talkers but hey what the heck we'll still kill them :)
Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.11 17:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Raven Hopper now they are going to follow each and every member of bdc and keep decing and such untill a fine of 21 million isk is payed per member So join a corp that would welcome a war dec. There are loads out there. Again quit crying and do something about it. No point trying to work out WHY they are doing it and then b*tching about it here.
Argonaught GR	Posted - 2006.11.11 19:35:00 - [51] Edited by: Argonaught GR on 11/11/2006 19:39:58 I've experienced this situation, long time ago, when i was in a newbie corp, carebearing in empire, and it turn out to be among the best times for me in the game. What we did was simple. We had to stop carebearing, and fight back. Allways in the gang, in kestrels mostly. We were attacking the pirates when we thought we had any chanse to take just one of their ships down. And yes, a gang of kestrels can take down a lonely cerberus. We did... Just warp in, get one kill and warpout. No mutter how many frigs you will loose, their loss is going to hurt them more. The biggest ship that we downed was a BC, as they stoped using BSs. (The BS can't actualy damage an orbiting frigate - even if it manage to, so what? you lost a frigate). It was great fun for us, and we got an idea about what pvp is. At the end, the pirates got bored not to be able to fight us when they wanted to, us fighting them when we wanted to, loosing ships (and pods) by this frigate gang, having no serious kill to post in their killboard, our spying alts bounching them at the gates to show them we were looking... so they droped the war. The war lasted 2 weeks if i remember corectly. Don't give up, fight on your terms, turn this war to a fun event.
Lord Vak Amarr Parhelion Industries	Posted - 2006.11.11 19:54:00 - [52] What is lame is that ccp allows noobs to make corps... at this rate we have 10 goonswarms around in few years. If a noob corp get wardecked the best thing to them to do is to try and defend their corp... if they lose, so what. Just try again, and again and again till you succeed. We all were noobs at a point yet we surivived it (no idea how tho), and the last thing a noob should do is to act as a pr0 1337 on public channels and forums, bcos thats the best way to atract attention. Lord Vak CEO of Parhelion Industries
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet	Posted - 2006.11.11 22:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Raven Hopper now they are going to follow each and every member of bdc and keep decing and such untill a fine of 21 million isk is payed per member i think it is just due to the power and not the supposid smacktalking That sounds like it would fall under the griefing rules. As such, I would suggest petitioning it.
Raven Hopper Gallente Black Dhalia Corp	Posted - 2006.11.11 22:47:00 - [54] Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Raven Hopper now they are going to follow each and every member of bdc and keep decing and such untill a fine of 21 million isk is payed per member i think it is just due to the power and not the supposid smacktalking That sounds like it would fall under the griefing rules. As such, I would suggest petitioning it. umm that does to i think ill take a look tyvm "Impatience is a far more deadly enemy than a fist or a blade. the foolish decisions to lead themselves and others to ruin"
Aslovi	Posted - 2006.11.12 14:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Raven Hopper Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Raven Hopper now they are going to follow each and every member of bdc and keep decing and such untill a fine of 21 million isk is payed per member i think it is just due to the power and not the supposid smacktalking That sounds like it would fall under the griefing rules. As such, I would suggest petitioning it. umm that does to i think ill take a look tyvm Not quite sure how we'd get done for griefing if we start a war against a corp and they disband and then reform in a different name and we war dec them again. My understanding of greifing is to do something outside of the rules and war dec'ing is part of the game. You were offered a surrender deal which you declined and therefore we resevre the right to war dec the next corp you form until you pay up. If I were you i'd take note from the neutral guys who have posted and just join a well run corp that will offer you protection. And as for your PM about you've just bought 15 battleships for your 3 year old vet mate and his buddies to "kick your ass" all I can say is LOL.
telpicks	Posted - 2006.11.12 22:29:00 - [56] Well I feel I have to comment on the situation...coming from the role of smacktalker. I did target aslovi and he handed me my back side...said tyvm for the training and went off to rebuild my ship. He did give me some good pointers on pvping and for that I thank you but declaring against a whole corp sounds like it is a bit much. I think you could have acheived the same result by placing a bounty on me so everybody could take a shot at me. We were a noob corp and have learned alot of how to run effective operations even though we have lots to learn. If anybody is interested in picking me up just eve-mail me. I left corp to try to protect them as much as possible and the result was unforseen, sorry. See you all in game and fly safe.
anyname isfine	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:52:00 - [57] Declaring war on noobs is a very important source of ego feedback for a lot of pirate types, so it isn't really lame. The pirate mentality requires pwnage, and noobs are the best way to fill a killboard.

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Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.16 10:30:00 - [59] No, in Eve, bringing the "pwnage" down on those who have no chance to stop you is NOT lame. IF they could get people to agree to fight there 17:1 ratio duel in WoW, they'd be playing WoW. But seeing as nobody wants to offer themselves on a plate like that, they have to play Eve. "The Only MMO To Pander To Those Weak On True Player Skill, But Strong On Ego!" (tm) Whilever the battle is > 99.998432% chance that they will win, they will "fight" you. The moment there is even the slightest chance, no matter how slim, that they won't absolutely Concord your ship with there 17 ships, they will turn, head for the nearest warp gate and never look back. As an awful lot of Eve players are here because of that very reason, the community which they form says "It's not lame, it's uber". You can't really argue against that, because guess what, the "Overwhelming Gank IS PVP" mentalists outnumber you greatly in the opinion stakes. Which is a deliciously ironic way of winning. It is just so "EEEEEEEEEEEve". btw, they aren't any "real" pirates in Eve. Real pirates stayed dead when killed. No Eve "pirate" has ever had to pay an insurmountable price for losing, they are back in space 10 minutes after getting killed. Whereas many victims have lost literally months of effort thanks to them. That's not balanced. That's "EEEEEEEve". Wish they'd stop getting called Pirates. They are nothing like pirates. Pirates risked it all for gain. These people risk nothing for gain. We need a new word to describe them. The Eve rendition "pwat" is acceptable, after all, it is very close to "***". Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better.*
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.11.16 10:33:00 - [60] Welcome to EVE - if you give up, they win

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