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Dillion Ibrahm
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:15:00 -
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Which would be better suited, for the Abaddon: Pulse or Beam weapons? Also, why would whichever be best? Thank you in advance.
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:21:00 -
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Autocannons.
Forsch
Defender of the empire
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Duke Kell
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:25:00 -
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mining laster II
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Forsch
Autocannons.
QFT
It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Originally by: Tuxford
I love how you guys can take stats from a test server that is few months out of date and then panic over them.
Gee, wonder why..
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:31:00 -
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Nos
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Originally by: Forsch
Autocannons.
QFT
actually it is, i have an am arr alt, and cant complain, they have their advantages.
Gedon is awesome, absolution has nice tracking and DPS, curse and pilgrim are pain in the ass. if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm, after Kali caladari will have one of the best T1 BC, we still have the worst command ship.
and caladari will get their first gunboat BS, the rokh, its long range, but cant beat a gedon or megathron with the dps.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr
Therianthropic Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:42:00 -
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1400mm IIs.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:47:00 -
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Autocannons, Nosferatu, Artillery. If you're crazy you can go for a passive tank, but honestly it's no more then the effect of one plate which you could add on top of any other ship, so active tanking is probably what you want to make the most of the tanking bonus.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.11.10 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 10/11/2006 00:29:40
The Abaddon represents the latest in the Amarr Empire's daring attempts to incorporate the technologies of other Empires while perfecting the art of building their ships to withstand as much damage as possible.
The progression runs thus:
Punisher ---> Maller ---> Abaddon
Punisher: Small nos, active tank, 150mm/200mm ACs
Maller: Medium nos, active tank, 180mm/220mm ACs
Abaddon : Heavy nos, active tank, 800mm ACs
Adapt, as they whisper in Hedion.
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Yamaeda
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Posted - 2006.11.10 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dillion Ibrahm
Which would be better suited, for the Abaddon: Pulse or Beam weapons? Also, why would whichever be best? Thank you in advance.
As mentioned, AC's are a good choice, they'll have the same problem as on the Apoc though, killing those rats at 30km+ is a b*tch. Fitting a AB helps, but many of those long range rats are still faster.
Trying to be a pure amarrian i'd say the Dual Heavy Pulses are the best mission running weapon, probably 6 of 'em and 2 nos's. Rather similar to an Apoc.
With the RoF bonus they outperform Mega pulses dps (+24% vs apoc w MP (bs v)) while being (slightly) easier on the cap, both cap/s and cap/damage, and the better tracking is nice. Without the previously standard -cap% it'll still use alot of cap for shooting (+116% cap/s vs apoc w. MP) while paying +88% cap/damage.
You'll need 2 tracking comps/enhancers to get a good all-round range with them. And a web ofc. I assume last mid becomes a cap injector.
Atleast fitting wont be an issue with those small guns.
To have any chance of sustaining it i assume 2 cap relays are needed in low slots in addition to the cap injector, leaving 5 slots for a standard 4 hardeners + LAR tank. So much for low slot advantage.
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.10 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL? 
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.10 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL?
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.10 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL?
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
You my good sir Rox, are the retard here.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.10 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
The Amarr have only two tech 1 ships that don't suck, the Armageddon and Maller.
The Caldari have the Kestrel, Caracal, Ferox, Drake, Scorpion, Raven, and now the uber Rokh.
Its not even a contest.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.10 03:48:00 -
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Small Tractor Beams.
Honestly, which one depends on you, do you want to fight up close or at long range? If you want uber range you might want Tachs, but fitting them might be a nightmare.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Angus McLean
Gallente
Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.11.10 04:07:00 -
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Auto-targeters. Kind of like russian roulette. You become gang leader, and the first person you auto target becomes primary.
Simple new game that only involves a bit of gambling! 
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DrEiak
Amarr
IONSTAR
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Posted - 2006.11.10 04:16:00 -
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Kali is going to be the lowest point the amarr have ever been at since i started playing in 2003.
Shield tanks will be better (because more shields = faster recharge rate EVEN WITH the boost to shield recharge time due to the fact that large numbers boost more (shield extenders) and reduce more (shield recharge bonuses) stacking is in favor. While armor tanks get no inherent benefit besides more HP.
SECOND amarr will run out of cap at the same speed, while targets will live about 10-20% longer (as most ships only tank a portion of their hitpoints).
I think i am going to go cry myself to sleep now :(
On the bright side if the devs make amarr suck even worse they might actually notice the problem.....
Just pod me, Im amarr......
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.10 04:28:00 -
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so i fitted 1 passive tanked on sisi the other day. 6 mega pulse, 2 heavy nosf, cap injector etc.. i got sweet ass skills for this ship really.. it all fitted very easy on it. then i noticed i had shedloads of spare grid. hmm look further, DANG!, long lock range.. "hmm long lock range and massive grid.." must be a tachyon monster, yeah well.. maybe mega beam then. see you empty the cap so fast, you need cap injector just for the guns.
could someone do a dps analysis of this ship with 8 1400's t2 and 3 dmg mods?
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Liet Traep
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Otho
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL?
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
You my good sir Rox, are the retard here.
I've got 7mill sp's in gunnery all laser specced and i'm thinking of training t2 projectiles to use on my amarr ships because laser suck so bad now. you are too vulnerable to nos and everyone uses ean II tanks so my lasers do crappy damage to them. Caldari have NOTHING to complain about in comparison.
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.10 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL?
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
Sad they nerfed your JavelinMultispecStabRavens? 
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.10 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Kell
mining laster II
This is truth. The Abaddon will make an awesome tank-miner...although the Rokh might outclass it at that, as it will be able to tank in its mids while putting CPU/mining mods in its lows.
Wow, there really is no winning.
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Elriche Oshego
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Posted - 2006.11.10 07:07:00 -
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On the bright side if the devs make amarr suck even worse they might actually notice the problem.....
That is unpossible.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.11.10 07:17:00 -
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I bought 15mil SP Caldari char and He already outperforms my 40mil SP amarr char  
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.11.10 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Nyxus
Originally by: Forsch
Autocannons.
QFT
actually it is, i have an am arr alt, and cant complain, they have their advantages.
Gedon is awesome, absolution has nice tracking and DPS, curse and pilgrim are pain in the ass. if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm, after Kali caladari will have one of the best T1 BC, we still have the worst command ship.
and caladari will get their first gunboat BS, the rokh, its long range, but cant beat a gedon or megathron with the dps.
typical caldari: ''Caldari has a disadvantage cuz we don't do more dps then a geddon or megathron at fleet battles which both have a damage bonus'' whatever
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Cheese999
Minmatar
Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.10 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Angus McLean
Auto-targeters. Kind of like russian roulette. You become gang leader, and the first person you auto target becomes primary.
Simple new game that only involves a bit of gambling!
Asteroid (Veldspar) is Primary!!!11one
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Pious Pete
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Posted - 2006.11.10 09:21:00 -
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Autocannons are the only real option with this ship
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DarkElf
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:01:00 -
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4 heavy nos and 4 mega pulse is the only laser viable setup i can see.
this kinda setup should do ok.
DE
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
4 heavy nos and 4 mega pulse is the only laser viable setup i can see.
this kinda setup should do ok.
DE
Why not just fly an Apoc with 8 autocannons/lasers then?
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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:27:00 -
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They make mean nos boats especially with armour rigs.
They'd be great snipers but it's just not practical when you have to get more cap boosters every couple minutes.
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:46:00 -
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They certainly won't be lasers, that's for sure.
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Cold Gorilla
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL?
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
Sad they nerfed your JavelinMultispecStabRavens?
Roxanna kell doesn't fly Ravens
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DarkElf
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 10/11/2006 12:36:34
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: DarkElf
4 heavy nos and 4 mega pulse is the only laser viable setup i can see.
this kinda setup should do ok.
DE
errr a, because the 2 setups do 2 completely different things, and b, because u can't effectively use 8 lasers because of cap issues which is the whole point of this thread and this way u can still make use of it's bonus's.
DE
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
The Amarr have only two tech 1 ships that don't suck, the Armageddon and Maller.
The Caldari have the Kestrel, Caracal, Ferox, Drake, Scorpion, Raven, and now the uber Rokh.
Its not even a contest.
Puni, Arbi, Proph. . . All decent ships with drawbacks that make them interesting to fly but not utterly nerfed.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Edited by: DarkElf on 10/11/2006 12:36:34
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: DarkElf
4 heavy nos and 4 mega pulse is the only laser viable setup i can see.
this kinda setup should do ok.
DE
Why not fly an Apoc with 8 guns then? Or use AC's?
errr a, because the 2 setups do 2 completely different things, and b, because u can't effectively use 8 lasers because of cap issues which is the whole point of this thread and this way u can still make use of it's bonus's.
DE
Yes, but a 33% DPS boost on 4 lasers is equivelent to 5.32 lasers and uses 5.32 lasers worth of cap. An Apoc with 8 lasers shoots equivelent to 8 lasers and uses 4 lasers worth of cap. An Apoc with 6 Lasers uses 3 lasers worth of cap and still has the 2 highslots to use NOS[combined with its higher cap]
So you arent effectivly making use of its unless you have more effective lasers than 8. And truely you arent making use of its bonus unless you have more effective lasers than 9.31 because that is how many the geddon has.
If you want to use the 25% resist bonus you might as well just use AC's because the apoc with 6 lasers and 2 nos will probably be just as good, or 8 AC's and a big ol tank.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:25:00 -
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AC Abaddon makes some sense if you only have Minmatar BS 4 or below. With Minmatar BS 5, there'd be no reason not to fly an AC Tempest instead.
So to answer the OP, Mining Laser II 4tw... 
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
AC Abaddon makes some sense if you only have Minmatar BS 4 or below. With Minmatar BS 5, there'd be no reason not to fly an AC Tempest instead.
So to answer the OP, Mining Laser II 4tw...
AC tempest doesnt get an armor resist bonus. And it does more damage with AC's than the Abaddon at BC 3[barely].
So the point is to make a good tank, not nessesary to do great damage.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:32:00 -
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Have you ever tried fittings 8 megapulse II's with a tank and other stuff on an apoc? doesn't happen. also we are not just talking about pure dps here. the power of 4 heavy nos can sometimes be the only thing that can break difficult eanmII tanks with em and therm dmg.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Toaster Oven on 10/11/2006 13:59:48
Originally by: Goumindong
AC tempest doesnt get an armor resist bonus. And it does more damage with AC's than the Abaddon at BC 3[barely].
So the point is to make a good tank, not nessesary to do great damage.
I could care less how well a ship can tank and do nothing else. I'm interested in how it performs as a whole. Compare overall attributes, including damage. Damage btw will be virtually equal between Abaddon with 2 dmg mods versus Tmpest with 1 dmg mod and BS 5. What do you get in return?
Tempest
27% better base speed (175m/s vs 137.5m/s)
38% better MWD speed (1358.4m/s vs 984m/s)
14.3% more cargo space (600m3 vs 525m3)
27.7% smaller sig radius (340m vs 470m)
26.2% more cap to tank (Tempest 89 cap/s with base recharge + 2 heavy NOS + Heavy Electrochemical vs Abbadon 70.5 cap/s with base recharge + Heavy Electrochemical)
17.6% better scan resolution (125mm vs 106.25mm)
+ 1 extra mid slot to fit jammer/disruptor to cut down damage
+ 2 heavy NOS to help break opponent's tank
Abaddon
25% resist bonus to armor
So sorry all factors considered I don't see Abaddon tanking noticeably better unless you dedicate all of it's low slots to tanking. In which case it's just an expensive, rather toothless, meatshield. For PVP purposes it would get stomped by an AC Tempest.
And to all you Minmatar fanboys out there, the comparison is in no way meant to say Tempest should be nerfed. Just that it makes a far better AC platform than Abbadon, which it rightly should.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Have you ever tried fittings 8 megapulse II's with a tank and other stuff on an apoc? doesn't happen. also we are not just talking about pure dps here. the power of 4 heavy nos can sometimes be the only thing that can break difficult eanmII tanks with em and therm dmg.
DE
Actually, that is part of my standard mission set up. I will swap one MPL2 for an Officer SB but 8 MPL is easy with a good tank. 3xEANM2s DC and 2 Repps
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Idara on 10/11/2006 14:14:52
Originally by: Cold Gorilla
Roxanna kell doesn't fly Ravens
Guess I was generalizing about Burn Eden, ya know, like how get she was generalizing that the Caldari suck because of Kali. And this thread wasn't about the Caldari not having the best command ship etc, it was about the Abaddon. I don't care she doesn't fly Ravens.
Oh and thanks for the EVEmail Roxanna, I shall treasure it forever to remind how some people just can't leave forum smack on the forums
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
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