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Extregar Qvint
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:48:00 -
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This rant of goons only flying t1 frigs is getting kinda old. Thier fleets/gangs often contain a wide mix of ships. Some t1 frigs (few), a bulk of t1 cruisers with the odd t2 gear on, some BS also with the a few t2 bits equipped, and a few t2 ships like ceptors/AF/HAC/recon.
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Parkers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:13:00 -
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You can tell LV is a serious alliance because the Enslaver¦s parents totally let him stay up at the Fanfest until 2am last night.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.12 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Parkers You can tell LV is a serious alliance because the Enslaver¦s parents totally let him stay up at the Fanfest until 2am last night.
rofl, sorry, that was somehow funny. 
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Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.13 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Parkers You can tell LV is a serious alliance because the Enslaver¦s parents totally let him stay up at the Fanfest until 2am last night.

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Mesasone
Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Menf They are not the first and they wont be the last...
There will come a time not far away and they will split up in greed to own the new regions...
Truer than you know. Has the count down begun for the dramabomb that is goons with power?
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Parkers You can tell LV is a serious alliance because the Enslaver¦s parents totally let him stay up at the Fanfest until 2am last night.
Sorry, who are you exactly?
Quite amusing that you have the nerve to try to insult others, yet you are scared to show who you are  -------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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MilesofPain
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.11.26 13:45:00 -
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That,s pretty impressive if you think about it, almost 10 dreads per month if they can build them. Thats a nice industrial backone. if it's in house the means they can replace up to 10 lost dreads a month. Or they can use the minerals to produce a lot of isk for tech 2 bpo's. All in all, even with a 50% completion rate on the dreds thats almost 5 billion per month in ships to sell I wish them the best of luck.
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LTD THOR
Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.26 14:24:00 -
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does a dread wreck looks just as crappy like a frig/cruiser/bs wreck in kali? dunno rly..
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.26 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: arkarsk What makes me laugh most is that LV/V [dont deny its your spy] actually spent 10 dollars to join the SA forums, just so they could join goonfleet and repost random threads from their private forums.
You know, I find that highly unlikely. There are goons in every major corp/alliance in Eve. Just because a goon is playing Eve, it does not mean he is in Goonswarm or even supports them (a fair number think Remedy is a total ****er)
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |

Mirirar
Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
You know, I find that highly unlikely. There are goons in every major corp/alliance in Eve. Just because a goon is playing Eve, it does not mean he is in Goonswarm or even supports them (a fair number think Remedy is a total ****er)
I'm an avid poster on SA, and I've never flown with the goons. In fact, I've actually shot many down given the chance.
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Corey Grim
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Corey Grim on 26/11/2006 20:47:33 All i can say to this topic: Linkage
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.26 21:43:00 -
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The simple fact of this post is to be honest irrelevant.
The goons will have lots of dread pilots over the next couple of months.... wow.
You need to realize however, that in four months, the average battleship pilot can train about 90% of the required skills for a dread. Not counting those that already can. In four mmonths, the goons may have thirty dreads, their enemies will likely have fifty.
On top of all that you need to be able to provide these pilots with said dreads, and fittings and skills, at around or over 2 billion isk each, which is not a simple process.
and there is also something to be said for combat experience. The first time the goons bring out a big dread fleet might also be the first time the loose a big dread fleet.
One of the incredibly powerful elements of goonfleet has always been their low-end setups. a rifter or a thorax only costs a few dollars yet is moderatly effective at the roles you set it in. A dread or even a battleship, is a much more substantial loss, especially when you factor in tech II equipment.
This post seems wholly un-necessary as it does not do anything from either side. Im sure LV has a nice list of pilots training for capitals as well, at least we dont have to see it however. -
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Royaldo
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 22:04:00 -
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^^you have first hand experience with the goons?
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vily The simple fact of this post is to be honest irrelevant.
The goons will have lots of dread pilots over the next couple of months.... wow.
You need to realize however, that in four months, the average battleship pilot can train about 90% of the required skills for a dread. Not counting those that already can. In four mmonths, the goons may have thirty dreads, their enemies will likely have fifty.
On top of all that you need to be able to provide these pilots with said dreads, and fittings and skills, at around or over 2 billion isk each, which is not a simple process.
and there is also something to be said for combat experience. The first time the goons bring out a big dread fleet might also be the first time the loose a big dread fleet.
One of the incredibly powerful elements of goonfleet has always been their low-end setups. a rifter or a thorax only costs a few dollars yet is moderatly effective at the roles you set it in. A dread or even a battleship, is a much more substantial loss, especially when you factor in tech II equipment.
This post seems wholly un-necessary as it does not do anything from either side. Im sure LV has a nice list of pilots training for capitals as well, at least we dont have to see it however.
This is not entirely true, they do have some experience to fall back upon: such as that of KIA, who worked for them, and hence gave them some idea how to use dreads and protect them. Then of course they have Red Alliance to help as well, with even richer experience using dreads. ------------------ Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!  |

TrippyX
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.26 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: TrippyX on 26/11/2006 23:16:22 linkage
that x 10 gonna be an awesome lagshow 
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Effective Overseer
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.26 23:48:00 -
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Good, good!
1)Thank goodness for legal (and non) methods to purchase isk, you're able to have afforded all those skills, and then the dreads & mods & fuel on top. Go team!
2)Once you afford them, take them all out on an op at once for some 'shock & awe', and even get some fraps. With all that tank & fire power, you shouldn't be needing anything else I would presume... |

Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.27 03:05:00 -
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If ppl post with alts in a forum they're not supposed to, clearly flaming/inciting flames, they should have their main revealed -_-
Its not like CCP is releasing a real name or address. Just flushing out the wimps.
In other news, grats to goons and please don't pod me again. Its traumatic =(
Plus Im allergic. -------------------------------------
Since entering 0.0 I've noticed my wallet slowly crawl towards 0.00. Coincidence? I think not
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Effective Overseer Good, good! 1)Thank goodness for legal (and non) methods to purchase isk, you're able to have afforded all those skills, and then the dreads & mods & fuel on top. Go team!
-Whom are you talking about? -Proof or STFU, thats really all the answer unrecognized alts deserve  ------------------ Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!  |

Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.27 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Effective Overseer Good, good! 1)Thank goodness for legal (and non) methods to purchase isk, you're able to have afforded all those skills, and then the dreads & mods & fuel on top. Go team!
-Whom are you talking about? -Proof or STFU, thats really all the answer unrecognized alts deserve 
Basically the RUMOR (Read : Rumor, I have no proof) is that they are with an affiliate selling GTCs through their site to alliance members. They use the money generated through this to buy more GTCs which they sell. End result is that each goonie still pays his 15$ a month for access (sometimes less for EU) while the alliance gets billions of isk on the side.
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.27 06:12:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Effective Overseer Good, good! 1)Thank goodness for legal (and non) methods to purchase isk, you're able to have afforded all those skills, and then the dreads & mods & fuel on top. Go team!
-Whom are you talking about? -Proof or STFU, thats really all the answer unrecognized alts deserve 
Basically the RUMOR (Read : Rumor, I have no proof) is that they are with an affiliate selling GTCs through their site to alliance members. They use the money generated through this to buy more GTCs which they sell. End result is that each goonie still pays his 15$ a month for access (sometimes less for EU) while the alliance gets billions of isk on the side.
So they sell to their own alliance, and that gains the alliance billions of isk? er... You can't get your 30 days access & your isk. Its one or the other for the $15. If they're making billions of isk, as well as receiving $$, then the gtcs are being sold, and subscriptions *also* being paid for. -------------------------------------
I came. I mined. I fled. I mined. I fled. I mined some ore. I fled once more. War is hell! |

Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.27 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh
So they sell to their own alliance, and that gains the alliance billions of isk? er... You can't get your 30 days access & your isk. Its one or the other for the $15. If they're making billions of isk, as well as receiving $$, then the gtcs are being sold, and subscriptions *also* being paid for.
Yes, you can.
First you sign up with a GTC distributor to be an affiliate. This nets you a small percentage of the real-life money people pay for a GTC. This money is pooled to buy GTCs that are then sold for isk.
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DarkFenix
Caldari Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2006.11.27 09:26:00 -
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I reckon some megacorp like BIG should start up a big bet surrounding this. Perhaps something along the lines of guessing how many dreads BoB will pop in the first week of the war .
I'm sure BoB are excited over the prospect of so many big targets to kill (after all I'm sure it must get boring slaughtering ASCN's fleets so easily).
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Effective Overseer Good, good! 1)Thank goodness for legal (and non) methods to purchase isk, you're able to have afforded all those skills, and then the dreads & mods & fuel on top. Go team!
-Whom are you talking about? -Proof or STFU, thats really all the answer unrecognized alts deserve 
Basically the RUMOR (Read : Rumor, I have no proof) is that they are with an affiliate selling GTCs through their site to alliance members. They use the money generated through this to buy more GTCs which they sell. End result is that each goonie still pays his 15$ a month for access (sometimes less for EU) while the alliance gets billions of isk on the side.
So they sell to their own alliance, and that gains the alliance billions of isk? er... You can't get your 30 days access & your isk. Its one or the other for the $15. If they're making billions of isk, as well as receiving $$, then the gtcs are being sold, and subscriptions *also* being paid for.
hmm, this is VERY interesting stuff to say the least! How does one go about to become an affiliate??? 
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II I agree. Can't really say the node crashes have been a smooth ride. Now, tell me something; what purpose does 150 T1 frigs and cruisers serve against 150 T2 bs? What can you achieve by that, except lag?
heh, i hate to break your mood but i have lots of fraps of frigates annihilating your T2 BSs... 
go goonies!
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Alowishus
Shadow Company Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:58:00 -
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If anyone is ever beginning to take the Goons seriously, all one needs to do is look at the "destroyed items" of a BS kill and get an idea of how they set up their ships. Any confidence in them quickly fades.
About all the Goons can do well is catch people off guard and beat them 100 vs. 1 in the odd event that someone jumps into them. Otherwise they die (in great numbers) or log off at the first sign of danger.
As for Goons having 20 million skill points, I'm guessing most of them will have moved onto other organizations/games by that point because their style of play can't be gratifying in any way. Unless they really are only as intelligent as bees. I'm sure bees never question their meaningless lives or ponder whether stinging a threat, and thus killing themselves, is "worth it."
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Heldane
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.27 14:24:00 -
[116]
Haven't the goons been fighting pretty much non stop since their war with D2 in XZH back in June or July? Seems to me that they probably have alot more experience than alot of the "elite" alliances out there by now. I find it funny how we constantly see pilots from LV talk of "pwning" the goons left and right and yet it is only the southern coalition that is losing POSes by the handful every week.
I think these two alliances are playing differant games. The goons obviously don't care about kill/death ratios and are more concerned with objectives and end results, whereas LV considers said statistics the be all end all of the conflict. LV you may win many of the battles but I have some news for you. It really appears that you are losing the war.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.27 14:40:00 -
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I don't get involved in any of the POS business but I will say that if "winning the war" requires me to use Goon tactics, being a meatshield and blobbing to shoot at a POS for hours, then personally, I'd rather "lose the war." I'm working out of a system where sovereignty does not matter and I really am enjoying slaughtering Goons/RA left and right. If you call actually enjoying the game "losing," then I'll "lose" any day of the week. And in theory, since POS-wars are meaningless to me, and I do a lot of solo/small group fighting and that IS Eve to me, I can never lose as long as I have ISK. And I have a lot of ISK. At the rate which RA/Goon destorys my ships (they do not) I'll be able to fight them forever.
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Happydayz
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
hmm, this is VERY interesting stuff to say the least! How does one go about to become an affiliate??? 
via Shattered Crystal. Just go to their website the link is right there. IIRC goonfleet was bringing in several billions a month when they first started the program. It's reasonable to assume that it is bringing in significantly more now.
Heldane: the war has pretty much stabilized at the current boundaries now that RA has the task of digging out alliances from systems that are actually competently defended.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus I don't get involved in any of the POS business but I will say that if "winning the war" requires me to use Goon tactics, being a meatshield and blobbing to shoot at a POS for hours, then personally, I'd rather "lose the war." I'm working out of a system where sovereignty does not matter and I really am enjoying slaughtering Goons/RA left and right. If you call actually enjoying the game "losing," then I'll "lose" any day of the week. And in theory, since POS-wars are meaningless to me, and I do a lot of solo/small group fighting and that IS Eve to me, I can never lose as long as I have ISK. And I have a lot of ISK. At the rate which RA/Goon destorys my ships (they do not) I'll be able to fight them forever.
Congratulations, in your illustrious eve career you've racked up a mightly 18 GF kills (no final blows). I've killed more in a single op for not aligning or focus firing.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:44:00 -
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1) I've only been back playing for a few weeks after several months off. 2) I don't know what you're talking about not having any final blows on RA/Goons. This simply isn't true. 3) My PvP time is limited to weekends. So most of my kills come from the three or so ops I have been on since I've been back.
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