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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:57:00 -
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At the moment, any ship with a drone bay smaller than 125m3 can't have it's sized increased to carry more spares due to it also allowing it to launch more/bigger drones and increase the DPS it can dish out. What we need is a solution that allows ships to have large drone bays to keep spares, but also allows it to keep the DPS potential from drones under control.
I present to you: Drone Control Points
What?
Basically, each drone is awarded one control point for every 5m3 it takes up. That means light drones use 1 point, medium drones use 2 points and large drones use 5 points. We then work out the maximum amount of drone control points a ship has by giving it one point for every 5m3 in its drone bay. For example, the Rupture has a 30m3 drone bay, so it has 6 drone control points. Any ship with a drone bay larger than 125m3 (5 heavy drones) has it's drone control points capped at 25. We can then triple or quadruple every ship's drone bay without increasing the DPS.
How?
Whenever you tell the ship to launch a drone, it checks to see if it has the drone control points free to do so. Using the Rupture, it will have 6 drone control points but with a tripled drone bay it can hold 9 medium drones (and launch 5). Obviously we don't want it launching 5 medium drones as the ship was balanced with only 3. So, every time a drone is launched we subtract it's points value away from the ship's value. If the ship's value ends up being a negative number then the drone is unable to launch. Example:
1. Free Points: 6
2. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
3. Free Points: 4
4. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
5. Free Points: 2
6. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
7. Free Points: 0
8. Attempt to launch Hammerhead II and fail, as Free Points is 0.
Obviously the checks are still made to make sure it's not launching more than 5 drones (or however many the pilot's SP will allow).
Why?
It allows ships to carry spare drones around without giving them extra DPS. On most ships when you warp out without collecting your drones (say fleeing from a PVP situation that went a bit wrong) you will be unable to use any drones until you find a station that is selling them and buy some more. Also, you can't transfer drones from your cargohold to the drone bay unless at a POS or Carrier (and most ships have their cargohold packed with ammo and capchargers).
This method solves the problem of carrying spare drones in a simple and elegant mannar.
When?
That, is down to our dear Devs (last sighted "singing" at the Fanfest ). I realise that posting this when they are all currently ****ed out of their heads probably isn't the best idea in the world, but hopefully some will be sober by Monday to read it.
Who?
Who can you give your ISK to for suggesting this wonderful idea? Just sent it to this character and I'll make sure it's passed on to the right person
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:57:00 -
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At the moment, any ship with a drone bay smaller than 125m3 can't have it's sized increased to carry more spares due to it also allowing it to launch more/bigger drones and increase the DPS it can dish out. What we need is a solution that allows ships to have large drone bays to keep spares, but also allows it to keep the DPS potential from drones under control.
I present to you: Drone Control Points
What?
Basically, each drone is awarded one control point for every 5m3 it takes up. That means light drones use 1 point, medium drones use 2 points and large drones use 5 points. We then work out the maximum amount of drone control points a ship has by giving it one point for every 5m3 in its drone bay. For example, the Rupture has a 30m3 drone bay, so it has 6 drone control points. Any ship with a drone bay larger than 125m3 (5 heavy drones) has it's drone control points capped at 25. We can then triple or quadruple every ship's drone bay without increasing the DPS.
How?
Whenever you tell the ship to launch a drone, it checks to see if it has the drone control points free to do so. Using the Rupture, it will have 6 drone control points but with a tripled drone bay it can hold 9 medium drones (and launch 5). Obviously we don't want it launching 5 medium drones as the ship was balanced with only 3. So, every time a drone is launched we subtract it's points value away from the ship's value. If the ship's value ends up being a negative number then the drone is unable to launch. Example:
1. Free Points: 6
2. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
3. Free Points: 4
4. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
5. Free Points: 2
6. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
7. Free Points: 0
8. Attempt to launch Hammerhead II and fail, as Free Points is 0.
Obviously the checks are still made to make sure it's not launching more than 5 drones (or however many the pilot's SP will allow).
Why?
It allows ships to carry spare drones around without giving them extra DPS. On most ships when you warp out without collecting your drones (say fleeing from a PVP situation that went a bit wrong) you will be unable to use any drones until you find a station that is selling them and buy some more. Also, you can't transfer drones from your cargohold to the drone bay unless at a POS or Carrier (and most ships have their cargohold packed with ammo and capchargers).
This method solves the problem of carrying spare drones in a simple and elegant mannar.
When?
That, is down to our dear Devs (last sighted "singing" at the Fanfest ). I realise that posting this when they are all currently ****ed out of their heads probably isn't the best idea in the world, but hopefully some will be sober by Monday to read it.
Who?
Who can you give your ISK to for suggesting this wonderful idea? Just sent it to this character and I'll make sure it's passed on to the right person
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Bazman
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:01:00 -
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I love it. Thats all you need to know. -----
Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training. |
Bazman
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:01:00 -
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I love it. Thats all you need to know. -----
Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:02:00 -
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/signed --------- Boryokudan Recruitment. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:02:00 -
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/signed --------- Boryokudan Recruitment. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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i dont really understand but /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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some way to replenish drones in space would be really nice. as it is its difficult if one is in a ship that uses drones for fighting and is far from home base or any station.
1000% awesome guide to logging out |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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i dont really understand but /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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some way to replenish drones in space would be really nice. as it is its difficult if one is in a ship that uses drones for fighting and is far from home base or any station.
1000% awesome guide to logging out |
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson i dont really understand but /signed
It lets you carry around spare drones by giving all ships much bigger drone bays, but prevents them from getting more DPS from drones than they do now.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson i dont really understand but /signed
It lets you carry around spare drones by giving all ships much bigger drone bays, but prevents them from getting more DPS from drones than they do now.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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This is, ofcourse, a brilliant idea.
It'll never make it ingame.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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oooo love it then /signed /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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This is, ofcourse, a brilliant idea.
It'll never make it ingame.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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oooo love it then /signed /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:10:00 -
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Dear god /signed
_______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues! |
Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:10:00 -
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Dear god /signed
_______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues! |
Marine Raider
Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:13:00 -
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/Signed _______________________________________________
Raiders Company - WE SET THE PACE USMC
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Marine Raider
Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:13:00 -
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/Signed _______________________________________________
Raiders Company - WE SET THE PACE USMC
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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I agree completely.
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
Currently, smaller drone ships put out a simply obscene damage. Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
This idea gets my approval. - It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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The idea generally is good. But I see one problem there:
Utility drones.
The oversized dronebay of some drone specced ships (basically ishkur, eos dominix) does not only allow them to carry spares - it also allows them to carry more job specific drones. More flexibility basically.
Take a mega or geddon. They can carry with them 5 ogres. But if they do this they won't be able to carry 5 lights in case they run into frigs. Or ECM drones. Or web drones. Or tracking disuptor drones. Or damper drones. Or energy neut drones. Depending on the situation the type of drones you carry can easily decide between win & loss.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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I agree completely.
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
Currently, smaller drone ships put out a simply obscene damage. Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
This idea gets my approval. - It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 12/11/2006 00:22:22 The idea generally is good. But I see one problem there:
Utility drones.
The oversized dronebay of some drone specced ships (basically ishtar, eos dominix) does not only allow them to carry spares - it also allows them to carry more job specific drones. More flexibility basically.
Take a mega or geddon. They can carry with them 5 ogres. But if they do this they won't be able to carry 5 lights in case they run into frigs. Or ECM drones. Or web drones. Or tracking disuptor drones. Or damper drones. Or energy neut drones. Depending on the situation the type of drones you carry can easily decide between win & loss.
The drone damage bonus is only part of the bonus of the droneships, the increased flexibility of being able to carry different types of drone is another.
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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I agree to be honest earlier I was flying around in my Curse thinking it would be nice to get more spare drones without increasing DPS to overpower the ship.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
They don't.
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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I agree to be honest earlier I was flying around in my Curse thinking it would be nice to get more spare drones without increasing DPS to overpower the ship.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
They don't.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
While the Ishtars dps is quite high (cerberus does equal dps with the new heavy assaults, though) if it could only use meds there would be no real reason to use it over an Vexor.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
While the Ishtars dps is quite high (cerberus does equal dps with the new heavy assaults, though) if it could only use meds there would be no real reason to use it over an Vexor.
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