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Feng Schui
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:19:00 -
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Please don't become "partners" with Blizzard or EA Games
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Bigby
angels of darkness LTD
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:43:00 -
[32]
Good luck with the merger guys. Only played werewolf a few times when it first came out but sounds like a classic environment for CCPs PVP style game, both between the different clans and also agains vamps etc.
Good idea, and good IP haul I'd imagine.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius Ok, serious question though:
What consequences does this merger have for the ongoing debate about Nos balance?
Well, White Wolf is all about super powerful vampires...
Seriously though, this sounds like great news!
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:51:00 -
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First thing what comes to my mind is.. Is the income still from eve going to eve.. or some wierd card game about what I could not care less. ??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??==?? If eve even makes close up to 60-70k+ dollars per day as budget.. they could throw about 140k-300k easily to hardware upgrade once per year.
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Cygnet Lythanea
Ninjitsu Heavy Industries Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:33:00 -
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I might STRONGLY urge CCP not to go through with this. Please look to what happened to Troika when they tried to develope White Wolf properties.
Secondly, if they DO decide to go thorugh with it... for the love of God, PLEASE do not use the current 'new' World of Darkness in a MMO. Use the original mythos. It was much, much cooler.
She's hunting you, pirate scum...
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George Soros
Minmatar Idiot Arbitrage Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:36:00 -
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So when is the IPO? I want a piece of the action! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Cerui Tarshiel
Minmatar Blind Dumb Deafened
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:57:00 -
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They indeed dropped bomb when Hellmar said it. Didn't know what to think for the first minutes but the more they explained the reasons for doing it the better it sounded. And Eve collectible thingies indeed sounds good. Now CCP/White Wolf just need to go into partnership with Toyvault and produce Eve spaceship plushies
Plush World Domination 4tw
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Jake Devlin
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:10:00 -
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Quote: 'new' World of Darkness in a MMO
oh please... nWoD is so much better ie in general better thought out. the new vampire clans are much better and the new covenants simply rock. with the ordo dracul in new WoD i've no desire to play old. nothing good in old WoD (vampire at least) has been lost or can't be put back in by a storyteller, but the really sucky metaplot is gone and players are now not overpowered.
you should give nWoD more of a chance, everyone I know who plays it has grown to likes it.
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Renniks Nomis
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:12:00 -
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Wow great news guys
I have to say ive never personaly played any of White Wolf's games myself but ive heard from freinds that there games are very good. Cant wait to see what the partnership will produce in the future (and I cant wait to get my hands on some of those EVE novles ).
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Suze''Rain on 12/11/2006 23:35:53 I've worked in the pen and paper RPG industry, worked on consultancy roles for a string products, and seen the moves in the industry the last decade and plenty of the paper-based designers, (myself included) have transferred to the electronic media rather than wallow in the increasing moribund print media. In that respect, I'm eager and interested by the potential opportunity this announcement offers. Congratulations are certainly due for the bravery to take the plunge and agree to such a merger, with the potential it offers.
However, I for one, burnt out by plenty of years of seeing first-hand the absolute train wreck that has been WW's customer relations with it's existing membership (I know enough ex-camarilla members with axes to grind at the incompetencies and arrogance of WW staff and freelancers to fill an entire rolodex), can only see this as a disaster for CCP. The jaded exhaustion from the last ten years of product launches, rehashed ideas, failed promises and poor communication cannot be forgotten.
I hope I'm completely wrong, but my heart tells me this is the time to start thinking about jumping ship.
I've followed eve since early 2000, seen the product grow, rise, and all the naysayers vidicated. but my gut reaction is, thankyou, CCP, for some wonderful years of gaming, but I'm going to leave you now while we're still on a high.
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea I might STRONGLY urge CCP not to go through with this. Please look to what happened to Troika when they tried to develope White Wolf properties.
Oh come ON. Troika's problems are nothing to do with their choice of property and everything to do with the fact that while their writing and design skills were stellar, their coding and QA abilities were absymal. Look at their principal members' histories - Fallout, Fallout 2, ToEE, Arcanum, VTM:B. All of them with stellar writing, all of them with truly crappy quality code-wise. And before any wise-arse starts on about Eve's bugs, you're about an order of magnitude out in the comparison, particularly given that the one set of examples are single-player while the other example is an MMOG.
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 00:23:00 -
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oh man world of darkness MMOG, I am getting semi wood already. -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter hmm blowing ascn carebears in empire ?
can i join ?
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Renniks Nomis Wow great news guys
I have to say ive never personaly played any of White Wolf's games myself but ive heard from freinds that there games are very good. Cant wait to see what the partnership will produce in the future (and I cant wait to get my hands on some of those EVE novles ).
The funny thing I just realized about WW and CCP they both have 5 *dots* to max. This makes a pretty strong mesh as far as coding and etc. Although making a WoD purely time based skill system i dont know if i would like. We'll see though *giggles with glee*! -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter hmm blowing ascn carebears in empire ?
can i join ?
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Aleis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.13 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aleis on 13/11/2006 00:57:22 Edited by: Aleis on 13/11/2006 00:54:19
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Joerd Toastius The point of a "new MMOG" would be that it was based in WW's World of Darkness, ie Vampires, Werewolves, Mages etc. It doesn't make sense to integrate this into Eve really :P
No worries, we won't try to integrate WoD lore into EVE. There won't be 'Others' in EVE space.
Come on...have you ever played any White Wolf games?
every book white wolf has made, has something states something like "Though the games ar "Similar" they are not interchangable."
And of course no one ever listens, and typicaly makes a complete butchery of the everything. But really thats part of the fun and as the one guy says
Quote: The funny thing I just realized about WW and CCP they both have 5 *dots* to max. This makes a pretty strong mesh as far as coding and etc. Although making a WoD purely time based skill system i dont know if i would like. We'll see though *giggles with glee*
Vampires in space fighting the Technocracy I can't wait.
*Aleis straps some Nos onto his ship and waits for teh jovians to show them selves
Take nothing said above this Line Seriusly --------------------------------------------
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JForce
The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.13 02:18:00 -
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Serious Question Time:
Whilst I can understand completely the synergies between WW and CCP from an IP point of view, one thing bothers me (well 2 things).
1)What's the new company going to be called?
2)(and more importantly) Station Environments, full-body avatars etc. Essentially being developed to allow for the WoD MMORP.
Well doesn't that kind of suck? To use Eve as a test-bed for a new game, without making the new features useful?
There's no doubt that this will utilise Eve peeps...they know the game, how to code it etc. Yet instead of concentrating on the dozens of other things that need fixing and/or introducing, you're effectively putting effort into...well, "fluff". And why? Not because it opens up new exciting gameplay, or enhances the existing Eve mechanics. Because it means that the WoD game can be cool.
I know it might sound negative, but I hope you see what I'm asking etc. I love Eve and as such get quite protective of it, especially when we've all seen mergers in the gaming industry cause the death of so many games that people loved.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.11.13 03:29:00 -
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CCP and White Wolf have such different areas of business they operate in... the merger is somewhat weird. I mean, I could have understood a business arrangement, partnership, contract of some sort; everything you say you want to do and want White Wolf to help with can be done via a business deal. I don't understand the merger.
Good question above, what is the new company going to be called? White Wolf?
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Barthez Thed
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Barthez Thed on 13/11/2006 05:19:22 So will you be changing name?
White-CCP? CCP-Wolf? wolf-online? eve-wolf? White-online? WWCCP? whitewolf-online? eve-whitewolf?
I don't actually like any of these btw
What about a patch called Eve: White Wolf (this sounds pretty cool to me, maybe reserved for when you can walk inside stations or something)
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Barthez Thed
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:22:00 -
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OOOOOO just though of this:
Why not allow instation and planet going characters, you could call it World of Eve (or WOE for short )
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Acheron Cyc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:30:00 -
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They will keep operating as separated entities. i.e CCP will still be CCP and White Wolf will still be White Wolf.
The only difference is that Hellmar recieves a bigger paycheck at the end of the month. ------------------------------------------ "To do something right it must be done twice. The first time instructs the second." Simon Bolivar.
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Aleis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:00:00 -
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"merger" read Bought out
It's just that "Merging" in todays business world has become the catch phrase when one company buys another.
big busnesses no long buy other companies teh "Merge" so the little guys don't think anyone is trying to get all three of teh same color. Not saying ccp is trying to buy hotels or anything and it's not in any position to try honestly no matter how awsome Eve is, it's still pretty small compaired to the real big wigs.
An for two great companies, I have loved both i hope it works out to the best.
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Varis
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:50:00 -
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Personally, I think its an awesome move - the RP experience of WW can only add depth to eve-online. And the possibilities for the future are cool.
Best of luck all!
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spurious signal
Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: kieron During his keynote speech yesterday, Hellmar announced the merger of CCP Games and White Wolf. Needless to say, this is big news in both industries, online gaming and traditional RPGs. The Press Release is available for reading.
Uh-oh.
Quote: So, what does this mean for the EVE Online community? In the short term, little has changed. CCP is the same company, a little larger but with a giant intellectual property for future expansions. The Dev team will continue to focus on EVE, but some of the technologies we are developing - full body avatars, and station environments & interaction - will be used as a foundation for future MMOGs based on the White Wolf intellectual properties.
Future MMOGs? So the Dev team WON'T be focussing on EVE or will, at best, be diluted and stretched in 2 directions. Yippee.
Quote: White Wolf will be forging ahead with their talents for the future production of an EVE Online based traditional RPG and table top starship combat games, as well as miniatures (and there was much rejoicing!), comics, graphic novels, etc.
Yeah, table-top games and plastic toys, that's what EVE is missing
Quote: CCP will continue to expand the number of developers in CCP and in the near future begin production on a to be announced MMOG based on White Wolf's World of Darkness RPG setting. While we will be able to use some of the technologies I mentioned earlier, this game is still a number of years from alpha, let alone release.
Yuh-huh, thought so.
Just a little history lesson - EVERY single time an MMORPG developer shifts into a new project the original MMMORPG that made them what they are starts an inevitable downward spiral. Dev attention gets moved away from the "old" warhorse and the new shiny baby becomes the raison d'etre, the one that gets the love.
Quote: I'm sure there are a number of questions that need to be answered, so ask them in this thread, I will do what I can do answer them.
Yeah I've got a question, do you feel comfortable with the idea that CCP are now risking the entire future of EVE because of greed for more money from toys sales and a new MMORPG?
We've already seen this happening to EVE. When the cream of the dev team were taken away to work on the Chinese launch of EVE what happened here? Kali got 2/3rds of its features stripped and is STILL months and months late. Don't feed us this bull**** about "continue to focus on EVE" - we're not all blind and stupid even if you guys haven't got the ability to learn from others.
This purchase of White Elephant is a very bad idea. Current EVE players will gain NOTHING from it. Future potential EVE players will simply gain a competing MMORPG that almost certainly attempts to copy WoW.
0/10 CCP, I'm very glad I wasn't at the FanFest to receive this dire news, I'd have been very sad.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cerui Tarshiel Now CCP/White Wolf just need to go into partnership with Toyvault and produce Eve spaceship plushies
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Erm, no.
The amount of trouble CCP would get into with Thorax plushies...
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 13/11/2006 08:40:22
Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea I might STRONGLY urge CCP not to go through with this. Please look to what happened to Troika when they tried to develope White Wolf properties.
Secondly, if they DO decide to go thorugh with it... for the love of God, PLEASE do not use the current 'new' World of Darkness in a MMO. Use the original mythos. It was much, much cooler.
I'm sure they'll convo you to ask for advice, questionable internet economist.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:43:00 -
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from an eve perspective could be good value from an overall perpsective as long as both recieve attention development wise i can only see this as a good thing
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:13:00 -
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When you say this is a dumb idea because the companies that tried to make whitewolf games before didn't do so well... Let's face it, the previous vampire games were somewhat fun, but in the end betrayed the genre because WOD has never been about killing tons and tons of opponents, quite the opposite...
If they are going to make a WOD game, which seems likely I really hope that they will take an aproach to the game that doesn't make it combat heavy, but rather socializing heavy...
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Varis
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:32:00 -
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Well, comparisons White Wolf: Eve Vampire: Alliance Politics Werewolf: Territory control and fighting Mage: ummm...... no idea...
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Dezzereth
FightClub TQ
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:12:00 -
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Quote: I could have understood a business arrangement, partnership, contract of some sort; everything you say you want to do and want White Wolf to help with can be done via a business deal. I don't understand the merger.
Exactly.
I am also not very optimistic about this "merger". White Wolf is a company living from its former glory. It ceased to be an innovative company a long time ago. Au contraire, with their Sword and Sorcery game lines they mainly use already established game universes (like Everquest, World of Warcraft) with the rigid D20 rules. White Wolf itself only does games of their usual "we are outsiders and must keep our humanity" theme, which gets old after they use it in EVERY of their games. Don't get me wrong, the original Vampire and even Werewolf *were* groundbreaking, and deserve to be amongst the best of the best of P&P roleplaying history, but their creation was roughly 15 years ago. CCP an energetic company full of ideas, and an old behemoth not able (or willing) to break out of confines - a very strange mix indeed.
Also, since we are at it, I have worst fears for a possible EVE P&P game. I have thought about one myself, tried some ideas, and came to the conclusion that EVE needs an own game system to get that certain feel that the playing of it conveys. Things like how the skills modify ship stats, how the ship stats affect flight and combat, etc. Now if I don't get a hefty surprise then the two possible game systems that will be used for an EVE RPG would be either WWs own house rules, which are used for virtually all of their games, or the D20 system. The D20 system would introduce character levels and character classes to EVE - let that sink for a moment: character levels and character classes in a game that in its digital form has the most free-form character development among MMOs. Would be a joke tbh, and a very bad one at that. Then there is WWs house system. Well, it would fulfill a few of the aspects an EVE RPG would need, and would be certainly the better choice, yet I still think the system is too slow and bogged down. Some changes would have to be made (Expand the narrow skill list, involve range at combat more, change the vehicle combat system to introduce larger combat point values, since a range of 10 is not really enough to go from shuttle to Titan, fleet combat rules, and a few other things that seem minor, but very important in the overall picture).
I would have seen no problem in a licencing of EVE (RPG and merchandise) to WW or an other company, but this jump into a merger.... I dunno. The ONLY advantage I see is that CCP will be able to make a WOD MMO - but its too early to say if it's a good or bad idea (though there are not many others capable to doing so properly either imo). While "time will tell" is certainly a possible way to look at things, I am generally more pessimistic (or maybe realistic) regardign this "merger".
Nonetheless, I wish CCP and WW (whatever the name will be) the best.
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:37:00 -
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If CCP and White Wolf were to get a new name as a result of this merger, the only option would of course be CCW, Crowd Control Wolf.
At the very beginning of my EvE career it was crystal clear for me what to do and were to go. Then the tutorial ended.
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Discorporation
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dezzereth
Also, since we are at it, I have worst fears for a possible EVE P&P game. I have thought about one myself, tried some ideas, and came to the conclusion that EVE needs an own game system to get that certain feel that the playing of it conveys. Things like how the skills modify ship stats, how the ship stats affect flight and combat, etc.
This is probably why an EvE PnP rpg would use non-pilots and would just take place in the EvE universe with pilots being "superbeings" (PrC or Advanced Class or the like).
In any case, good news, hope it works out for both companies!
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