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Minuz1
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Minuz1 on 13/11/2006 04:02:36
Eve is a game that is played worldwide.
A player in japan is supposed to have a simular experience as a guy that playes in the uk where the cluster is located.
CCP removed the ability of oversized MWD's and Dual AB's so that people have the possibility to react in combat without lag being the decisive factor.
There are mulitple phases in combat in EvE.
To counter safespots you need a ship with probe launchers to seek out that safespot, a tackler or interdictor to lock down your target and firepower to kill your opponent.
As said before...join up with a PVP corp and try all the different aspects of the game.
Or don't and go play a game that gives you fun.
LOL @ Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......."
That was golden :D
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 13/11/2006 04:03:28
Despite myself, I agree with the OP.
In terms of "fun", WoW unfortunately beats EVE alot of the time. However, in terms of sense of accomplishment, long-term gratification... stuff that doesn't evaporate right after it's over, EVE beats WoW hands down.
I got a Mage to lvl 60, bought it an elite mount. Got some purples, mostly just blues. It felt ok. I did some PvP, it was fun. All that, individually I often had fun, even when grinding for XP, for standing, for gold. But even after it all, I didn't feel *half* the sense of accomplishment I got after doing simple agent missions in EVE for two weeks. Very comparable activities (repetetive PvE or semi-PvP gameplay). The difference? EVE's grinding was a little more boring, but afterwards I feel it's that much more... relevant than WoW.
Then you get into PvP, politics, the whole schebang, and WoW has no real equivalent. But those things all require serious investment, investment that can be incredibly dull and long-winded (funding PvP, for one), while the potential rewards in terms of sheer accomplishment are proportionally big.
P.S. The "Power Conduit" thing? Check out "Heat", tentatively scheduled for a post-Kali 1 patch.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:03:00 -
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./care engaged
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RabbidFerret
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:10:00 -
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The mention of WoW on the Eve online forums makes me cringe in every way. Comparing eve PVP to WoW PVP is like comparing driving to building with wooden blocks. Different skills and different intelligence levels needed.
Your warrior doesnt have to worry about optimal range, damage types, transversal velocity, capacitor levels or sig radius.
In my opinion, I can have fun in eve pvp and make a difference, unlike WoW's point and rank system.
RabbidFerret
HR Director
Templars of Space
C.O.R.E Alliance
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Altehea
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:12:00 -
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Weird nobody mentioned Guildwars.
That's what I play when I want PvP, true immediate blazing PvP, not endless timesinks with some ganking and the elusive good clean fair fight.
Guildwars, like WoW, doesn't give the same sense of accomplishement (while guilds are ranked and you have to work hard for it) but it's unbeatable when it comes to fun.
And boy... Guildwars has something that EVE totally lacks: variety.
Nearly a thousand skills to chose from for your eight skills skillbar.
There you see the good and bad players, which isn't that true in EVE.
Got jammed? Talk about skills...
Got ganked? Noobs can do it...
You find EVE too slow, too laggy, too buggy? Guildwars is as fluid as a modern game can be, never lags and features all forms of fair fights (4 x 4 up to 8 x 8).
It's like an EVE tournament, every day, every hour, every second.
But I always come back to EVE, because EVE is a world that lives while Guildwars is jut arenas.
But when it comes to PvP, I honestly think EVE sucks.
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Kantos Dal'mak
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:38:00 -
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simple answer- Burn the Heretic
Long answer-
I played WOW since its release. i had 60's in every class except for warlocks (dumb DOTs...) I've raided. I've lead raids. I've been compleatly Epixd out in T2 stuff. But after that it looses fun. There's no real Guild v Guild competition, other than "hey look i can kill this firegod faster than you can." WoW is all oldschool combat stuff. Who doesnt love flying around in an Inti going Pew Pew? Seriously, Eve has so much more potential for growth than any other game i've ever played. Now, thats not to say that WoW isnt fun. it is. it's just that Eve is funner for longer(except for training them long skills....*bang head on wall*) The biggest selling point of eve is that you dont have to be playing 24/7 to be well skilled. that, and what other game allows you to pirate? Yar!
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Acheron Cyc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 04:44:00 -
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Instant gratification and short attention span FTL.
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Galen Kane
Caldari
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Galen Kane on 13/11/2006 05:45:40
Edited by: Galen Kane on 13/11/2006 05:44:48
 I see yet another B.net Kiddie purchased EvE without understanding that their was a free Trial and couldn't figure it out.
Hilmar and the gang really needs to put a disclaimer on EvE stating that it takes an I.Q. above 84 to play.
 Originally by: Haas Fatale
Yeah, sad but true, at least when it comes to combat. EVE might be deeper, more open-ended, more beautiful, but the devs have taken a dump when it comes to the fun factor.
Now that I have your attention, let me explain that by FUN I mean only with regard to combat. Solo or PVE or PVP. Combat. If you're into mining and manufacturing and never stray lower than .5 stop reading here, this really doesn't concern you.
In Warcraft I play a Warrior. My warrior has 3 stances, about 6-8 abilities per stance, and another dozen or so abilities that can be used no matter which stance he's in at the moment. So, add those all up and he has about 30 abilities. Not to mention he can switch weapons in combat if needed. Not to mention that some of his abilities are only possible if my opponent blocks, dodges, casts a spell, so I have to actually pay attention to what they do and then react appropriately.
Compare this to a battleship in eve. I fly gallente, so I'll pick the Domi. I have 6 hi's, 5 meds, and 7 lows. Say I'm arming for combat, I use heavy nosf's and heavy rails, cap chargers, afterburner, maybe a webber, and then armor reppers and active resists in the lows. So I go into combat with a domi and I have exactly 6 abilities to chose from. And none of them require timing, well, maybe I turn on the armor reppers after my shield goes down, but that's about it. Oh, I almost forgot my drones. Launch, engage target. Woohoo!
This totally sucks. My Horde Warrior is way more complicated to fly than this.
But here's a fix - give us a "power conduit controller" that allows us to move more power to weapons or shields or engines, so that we can make on the fly decisions about tanking or gunning or running. If you weren't getting hit you could put more power to guns, if you were tanking but didn't need to move fast you could reroute power to shields. That's really about it.
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Athena Starfire
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:48:00 -
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I would'nt know never got WoW and never seen it. Funny when people say to me 'go back to WoW, Carebear!', and I was never there in the first place!
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TheNecromancer
Caldari
The Royal Order
The Scandinavian Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:49:00 -
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I dont get it.how can you even compare these 2 games ?
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Ubel Feuer
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Posted - 2006.11.13 05:56:00 -
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Please say WoW when you are referring to it. I will not have that crap confused with Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, an extremely fun RTS.
Now, as far as your post... If you like combat that involves no skill, and merely requires that you grind for uber items, go and play WoW. EVE requires skill, and patience.
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Haydon IV
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:05:00 -
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at least in eve, the expansions are real expansions... not a whole new game...
the new wow expansion, burning crusades forces everyone to get new equipment/weapon/armor all over again.. haha.. there goes years of grinding =P
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Zulak
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:13:00 -
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It is a trade-off between the designs of both games really. You can have instant fun, but things feels cheap and meaningless after awhile. You can go through alot of hard/boring/time consuming work just to finally get what you want but you feel great accomplishment after you made it happen. In my opinion, this is two completely different designs and it really really depends on what you like.
I also see a lot of people using pvp as a way to measure difficulty of the game. To me, pvp can be hard or easy. If you 5 men blob a hauler or ganking some lone miner in the belt, I don't see what's so difficult about it. If you are traveling solo, then it is a different game all together. That's why I love Farjang (sp?)'s video cuz he solos with really expansive stuff and not afraid to take a loss and show it in his video. A lot of other video just shows the same old ganking with gang and to be honest it gets really boring. A lot of people also thinks pve is easy, which is not always the case, raiding with a lot of people takes a lot of organization also, if you just run a blob into a raid dungeon with no planning, yeah, your party will get wiped in no time. So to me, smart pvpers are obvious harder than pve, but stupid pvpers are in fact even dumber than npcs in wow raid.
I play Eve for several reasons, one is it is free to me, two is I like eve politices, three is Eve has a lot of untapped potential, four is I like sci-fi genre a little more than fantasy genre with the same elf/orc/gnome stuff.
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Aaron Static
Deep Space Consortium
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:34:00 -
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So go back to WoW then..
Some people (like myself) simply hate anything that has wizards and elves in it.
One day the fantasy game devs will wake up and realise that every one of their RPG/MMORPG's has the same stupid plot elements (and holes) as their competition.... except for eve.
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lienzo on 13/11/2006 06:44:08
They're both video games.
Wow has insta content for soloers and blobs.
In EVE you can get blowed up real quick whenever you want, or just chain npcs.
In Wow, you can grind raids to get better equipment than others and pwn them where skill is absent.
In EVE, you can grind npcs to replace better equipment than others and pwn them where skill is absent.
In WoW, if you don't like raids and socializing, there is no long term game.
In EVE, the pvp goes beyond your ship. Content remains regarless of your social leprosy provided you 1)like npcing, 2)you are curiously useful to people.
In WoW, there is lag.
In EvE, there is lag.
In EvE, you can torment people.
In WoW, you can get banned for picking your nose publicly.
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Just-fun
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:43:00 -
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If you haven't figured it out, EVE combat is as much fun as your opponent is skilled.
So if you keep finding your enemy lacking, go find ones that have more numbers, bigger ships, etc.
Whats fun is taking on 4 carriers + support in 2 AF's and a ceptor, killing their tacklers, and making your getaway.
Challenge yourself, or be bored, your choice.
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Zeknichov
Amarr
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:49:00 -
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WoW PvP is missing a point. EVE has the best PvP *SYSTEM* of any MMO out.
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Mnar
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:49:00 -
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I've played WoW for two years now, and EVE for a bit over 1 year. Based on that experience, here are some of my impressions:
In terms of PvE, WoW is far and away better. It's not even really a fair comparison. WoW has literally hundreds of hours of PvE content and a cooperative end-game that leaves EVE's PvE in the dust.
PvP in WoW is fun... for a while. The problem is that it never goes anywhere -- the world is perfectly static. It's truly ironic that in "World" of Warcraft, the vast (vaaaast) majority of PvP occurs in instanced battlegrounds that have no effect on anyone except the people in them at that exact moment.
PvP in EVE is a phenomenally higher-stakes game. I read the WOW forums a lot and see the PvPers calling people who don't PvP carebears, and I just laugh. In WoW, if you die you respawn 25 seconds later with all your health, mana and equipment. There's no loss whatsoever, except for whatever spells you may have had on when you died. PvP in WoW has utterly no consequences.
So that's my three-paragraph summary of the difference between WoW and EVE. WoW has awesome PvE and mediocre PvP, while EVE has awesome PvP and non-existant PvE.
HOWEVER! The user interface in WoW is approximately 1,000 times better than in EVE. Not only is it far more well designed (in WoW, you actually use the keyboard to play, instead of just the left mouse button!), but it's almost 100% customizable as well. The UI in EvE is so clumsy and primative I just want to scream when I use it -- it feels like I'm trying to fly a starship by looking out the window and yelling at the computer, "I see a planet! Warp to it!"
Example: Despite the fact that my starship is capable of travelling lightyears through space and engaging in combat with targets hundreds of kilometers away, my HUD is unable to display the fact that I'm being warp scrambled. I don't know that I'm scrambled until I actually try to jump, but by that point the knowledge is a bit tardy.
A customizable, mod-able interface is on the top of my wish-list for EVE. It's something they ought to emulate from WoW.
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Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.13 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: Father Weebles on 13/11/2006 06:54:57
This guy has some truth in his post.
I have been in gatecamps before and killed the odd destroyer with newbie skillbooks in its hold, but most often my time at gatecamps is spent bsing with my corpmates and after 3+ hours and no action i can see why the OP is dismayed.
Then again, Eve PVP is unique.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tricit
I used to play Pokemon when I was young, and I can tell you there is a lot more PvPness in Pokemon with respect to skill on the battlefield than in EVE.
Your corporate history demonstrates that you have never been in a PvP corporation for any appreciable length of time.
Tell me, then, how you can make such a statement that EVE combat is "skillless" when you have not seriously taken part in it yourself?
The 'skill' factor tends to happen before and after the fight. The actual fight itself is pretty predictable since the number of variables isn't all that high. It comes down to a matter of either a test of firepower/tanking, or waiting for the opponent(s) to make a mistake.
PvP in WoW does take more hands on effort than Eve, but Eve's PvP is ultimately more rewarding. Especially if you are part of a bigger picture.
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 13/11/2006 07:14:20
Unsubscribe, then go play wow.
Problem solved.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:21:00 -
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I play Guild Wars like Altehea up there. I mostly play it during DT or patch day.
I did a trial of WoW, didn't flick my switch. I should say it didn't flick my switch enough for me to subscribe. I think Guild Wars looks great and it is very laid back, no consequences, fun. I'm also a Magic player and the notion of picking out 8 skills from hundreds then jumping into the arena to test the build has that same vibe.
Does it have the depth of Eve? hell no. In Eve PvP extends to everything. It is not just the fight, it's how you fit your ship, how you make your ISK to afford the mods etc etc. Combat in Eve has consequence and thats what makes it fun. No other game has ever got my pulse going like Eve.
I enjoy Guild Wars and Eve although I personally get more fun out of Eve.
To the OP, have fun in WoW. If you enjoy it more then play that. It's your coin, spend it how you wish.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:28:00 -
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WOW PVE is more fun than EVE - no contest, but also demands long feking boring uber raid 'ollocks.
WOW combat PVP is more fun than EVE - only in that respawn rush and kill way (although that is alot of fun it gets dull fairly quick)
WOW is better than EVE - no, not really. EVE has depth and longevity, WOW does not. That is not to say EVE is omgwtfpwn the best mmo experience in the universe, it isn't, it is generally feking boring aswell  but there is more to do than any other game, and of course has death penalties.
CCP also seem to want to develop EVE further (planet interaction etc etc) where as WOW just makes more of the same..
There is the problem, IMO, of the CCP made and encouraged and nurtured mega feking rich in EVE who are totally immune to any game mechanic (pvp) which does annoy alot of people and does seem to go against the grain of a so called pvp centric game. CCP seem to have made WOW players out of these people - the ability to be able to constantly respawn and jump right back into combat without a care to isk is really just the same as WOW...
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:40:00 -
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WOW=MTV
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dantes inferno
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:48:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3521
read this channel and you will see what makes eve pvp so great, i have never in any other game seen so much dedication and so much passion to a element of a game. Eve pvp has meaning, has consiquences, has a purpose,,the most fun i have in eve is during wars, when you are either fighting for what you belive or you home land....to me in every other game pvp is only glorified NPCing..because it lacks the depth eve pvp has.
Now to those who will reply with the usual "bah blah gate camp, blah blah pirate" get out of low sec, join a proper pvp group..spend more than a week there and you will eventualy find out what i mean..illd suggest joining ascn atm
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 07:54:00 -
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WoW pvp is more like an arcade game, so it takes some skills in the same ways that a first person shooter takes some skills. But the pvp doesnt have any deeper meaning. Live or die doesnt matter. Its fun but meaningless. You might as well play a shooter.
Eve pvp might not require fast reflexes or complex choice of actions, but its meaningful since there is real loss. And the pvp is just part of the greater game of alliance warfare and territory conquest. I realize that a lot of people dont care about 0.0 politics since it takes so much involvement in the game, but thats where Eve starts to shine. Im not involved in it either though, but Eve is still fun for me.
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Mak'shar Karrde
Minmatar
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:08:00 -
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The most fun PvP I've ever had was not in WoW or EVE (or SWG/EQ), it was in Ultima Online before it became item based.
Meaningless PvP will probably always be more fun because people are willing to risk more, the fights are easier to find. PvP with potentially galaxy-changing results will always be more satisfying though, how can it not be?
I'll admit there are times when PvP in EVE leaves me disapointed but that's usually because of the constant node crashes or dying before I can even see who's shooting at me (old computer). Those are technical problems though. If you take lag out of the equation (a man can dream) then EVE would easily be the most satisfying game to play today. WoW wouldn't, and doesn't, stand a chance.
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:12:00 -
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Pretty obvious bait post. If this is serious, I feel sorry for you.
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:16:00 -
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EVE has spaceships, WOW does not.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 08:32:28
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Pretty obvious bait post. If this is serious, I feel sorry for you.
No its not a bait post. This is what some people actually think of Eve, because they havent experienced the depth of it. Help them understand what makes Eve great instead. :)
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