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King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Weebear I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators. They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously. Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway) People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop! Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space... Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash. I find that a tad harsh when gungakllr always posts factually without any smack. Even though he has a thankless job we all could learn a lot from him
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Weebear I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators. They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously. Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway) People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop! Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space... Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash. The day I feel bad that we are not an alliance of elite forum *****s is the day I leave. And for the record we could not give a toss about the community reading their war reports. BoB is killing alot of ships. Is this news to anyone? Is anyone surprised? Those that are pro-BoB will always be pro-BoB regardless of forum posts. Those that hate ASCN will always do so. Those that hate BoB will alwys do so regardless of any forum post. Everyone just assumes that their friend tells the truth and their enemies lie.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Weebear And if this forum could benefit from anyone person not being able to post, it would be Nez Perces in Brown Nose Corp. Your valid points to posts ratio is worse than our kill ratio against BoB. I didn't say people wouldn't be able to read the press releases, just not respond. ..... you really have a cheek don't you....you come here saying that the forums are degenerating into name calling and pointless smack and propaganda.. but as soon as somebody says something you don't like.. you resort to name calling.... well done... Thanks for tripping up on your own argument. My point still stands.. it hurts ASCN a lot to see BoB making their announcements and it hurts even more to have people respond and actually even agree with them.... The reality is that BoB's propaganda has worked exactly as intended and you don't like it.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:33:00 - [34] Originally by: King Fury Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Weebear I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators. They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously. Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway) People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop! Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space... Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash. I find that a tad harsh when gungakllr always posts factually without any smack. Even though he has a thankless job we all could learn a lot from him Which is why I quoted WeeBear and not GK....btw weren't ASCN pilots supposed to keep their forum posting to a minimum or has that been changed now...
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Weebear And if this forum could benefit from anyone person not being able to post, it would be Nez Perces in Brown Nose Corp. Your valid points to posts ratio is worse than our kill ratio against BoB. I didn't say people wouldn't be able to read the press releases, just not respond. ..... you really have a cheek don't you....you come here saying that the forums are degenerating into name calling and pointless smack and propaganda.. but as soon as somebody says something you don't like.. you resort to name calling.... well done... Thanks for tripping up on your own argument. My point still stands.. it hurts ASCN a lot to see BoB making their announcements and it hurts even more to have people respond and actually even agree with them.... The reality is that BoB's propaganda has worked exactly as intended and you don't like it. No Nez, nowhere did I say I didn't like a bit of name calling, chest beating, propaganda or anything like it. In fact I love it everytime I see a post from DBP, Molle, Blacklight, CYVOK, John, Shin Ra, Seleene or any other person that is actually involved in a conflict. I think it's great, and to lose it would be tragic. What I can't stand are the complete non-entities that jump into these posts and drag them down. (example, you in this post) and those are the people I would like to see unable to post on these forums, as it's those characters that drag everyone else down to their level. If you would like to continue this "debate", please eve mail me, and lets not ruin what is a perfectly reasonable request by jeNK to try and make everything a lot more enjoyable for all.
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:39:00 - [36] Edited by: King Fury on 13/11/2006 13:41:12 Originally by: Nez PercesYour real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash. [/quote I find that a tad harsh when gungakllr always posts factually without any smack. Even though he has a thankless job we all could learn a lot from him Which is why I quoted WeeBear and not GK....btw weren't ASCN pilots supposed to keep their forum posting to a minimum or has that been changed now... Fair enough shame your post doesnt reflect that.
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:40:00 - [37] Edited by: jeNK on 13/11/2006 13:41:17 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 13:12:47 Here we go again...... first of all... If You Don't like the content of this section of the forums... DON'T READ IT. These boards are very well moderated and recieve a lot of attention from ISD. The CAOD board is a window into the soul of EVE, take away the political excitment that comes from announcements from the big alliances, propaganda or not and you will be ripping the heart out of EVE. If you don't understand why CAOD and its content is so important.. then 0.0 life and EVE is simply not your game..... at all. When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative : My Little Pony Forums yawn and exact example of the useless drivel that barely scrapes under the radar of the mods.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:43:00 - [38] If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Weebear I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators. They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously. Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway) People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop! I like the idea of a section for alliance poster's only, maybe the thread's can be replied to by the relevant warring parties or something. No more dumb trolling by people who it doesn't involve, o the joy. Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:46:00 - [40] Edited by: Darcuese on 13/11/2006 13:50:57 Originally by: Lorn Yeager I agree in part. But... it does make you and yours look stupid and childish none the less. Words can be used in two ways: Either to disguise thought, or to disguise that there are no thought at all. So, there is no way for someone to use words for sharing real thoughts? Come on, do not copy some philosophy you might have picked in some bookes and just paste it here. And speaking about post that make poster look stupid or childish. Its poster problem after all. Perspective off ppl is different from individual to individual, so if you THINK someone act childish, you just skip that post and move further.... And if ppl are really stupid, would you ban them from posting just becouse his majesty could read some real wisdom in game related forum? In the end, this bellow sum it right, IMHO Originally by: Rod Blaine Me thinks you take what is written here a bit overly serious. Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:47:00 - [41] Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed. dbp For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack?
Sku1ly STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:51:00 - [42] Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. /quote] What if you're reading the forums on a Mac? STK-S
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:52:00 - [43] Originally by: jeNK and exact example of the useless drivel that barely scrapes under the radar of the mods. you know what your OP was useless drivel.. how about that... Just cause you have an ASCN tag under your name does not give you the moral highground to judge what is a useful post and what isn't. Thats the domain of ISD.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Sku1ly Edited by: Sku1ly on 13/11/2006 13:52:11 Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. What if you're reading the forums on a Mac? Then get a real computer. Macs are for emos and girls
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:54:00 - [45] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/11/2006 13:54:33 I don't like it, e.g. if uninvolved people turn around words, create 'facts' out of nothing and start to insult me indirectly with stuff that I know that isn't true. Then I am a bit tempted to tell them that I think they are idiots right in their face, because it ****es me off. I usually only avoid the word 'idiot' and say it a bit differently just to keep my posting rights.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:57:00 - [46] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed. dbp For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack? One man's information is another man's smak. We could post the most straightforward stat based post and ASCN would still view it as smak. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Nez Perces Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Nez, the main problem with this argument, is that you and I both know where it would lead if say, I started hitting the forums in the same manner as BoB. Every thread would devolve into a poster case for asshattery, things would be forty times worse than they are now. People on both sides whom most of the time are able to behave in a civilized manner would end up eating a big bowl of stupid before hitting the enter key. These forums, while entertaining to some, would be completely lost for smaller corps and alliances. For instance, see this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425025 A new CEO trying to find his way in the Eve universe, gets a grand total of 4 responses before his post is knocked to page 2.5 by the 300 different ASCN vs. BoB posts. I don't claim to be the saviour of the forums, I'm not as intelligent, charming, rich or important as 95% of people on these forums. The only difference is I see utterly zero point in degrading people and what they have accomplished. I've been in Eve for so long, but I can still remember the sense of grandiose and amazement the first time I pulled my Bantam up next to a Scorpion Battleship in Kisogo. I told him "Nice Ship" in local, and I'm sure he got a good laugh. This game has changed so much since then. We don't need to make every post in here about BoB vs. ASCN, and we don't need to make every post we enter bitter and full of venom. If that's what makes you happy in life, then go forth with your torches and pitchforks. Those of us in the castle will still be here when you're done talking. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:03:00 - [48] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: jeNK Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed. dbp For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack? One man's information is another man's smak. We could post the most straightforward stat based post and ASCN would still view it as smak. dbp Love you or hate you, you certainly have a way of getting under peoples skin. As when you post the straightforward stat, with a slight slant, it normally sends your enemy into orbit thus culminating in a smackfest As soon as you have a reaction to your post you have won yet another forum skirmish.
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:06:00 - [49] Originally by: DB Preacher One man's information is another man's smak. Im a BoB fanboy you know. Anyway, just watch out or something like THIS might happen to you. Harsh humor in linkage Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: Nez Perces Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Nez, the main problem with this argument, is that you and I both know where it would lead if say, I started hitting the forums in the same manner as BoB. Every thread would devolve into a poster case for asshattery, things would be forty times worse than they are now. I dont think so, I think the forums would be even more 'hot', so to speak.. and even more fun for the forum warriors Dont you curious who would win the forum war, if ASCN tried to fight on that front as well, rather than give up? Quote: These forums, while entertaining to some, would be completely lost for smaller corps and alliances. For instance, see this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425025 A new CEO trying to find his way in the Eve universe, gets a grand total of 4 responses before his post is knocked to page 2.5 by the 300 different ASCN vs. BoB posts. He got his answer - go to Fountain Seriously, I am pretty sure he got contacted ingame by those interested in renting out their space or whatever.. After all this forum is not here to nagotiate etc, but just to initiate contact for posts like his. ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Sun Ra Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Sku1ly Edited by: Sku1ly on 13/11/2006 13:52:11 Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. What if you're reading the forums on a Mac? Then you click the x on the lefthand side or If you're smart and use a good brower than you just close the tab, dbp is scottish thus 10 years behind everyone else thus he's still using netscape naviagator Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:49:00 - [52] I tend to agree with the OP for the most part. The posting here hasn't so much as evolved as devolved in truth. Whereas quite a while ago there was some sense of drama and admittedly a bit of a soap opera going on during the old wars, it was fairly fun to read regardless of what side you were on or even if you weren't involved at all. These days it largely comes down to kill/death ratios, numbers on each side - yadda yadda yadda - and the usual bad mouthing and personal attacks on each side as well as blaming lag or whatever else can be thought of. There's no sense of anyone truely giving a toss about having any style and instead folks just seem to go through the same motions over and over again. This forum section seems to have become more of a stomping ground for peoples egos and bragging rights than anything close to a real discussion. Of course there are exceptions but those are few and far between. Generally it's alot of blagging about the current flavour of the month corp/alliance war with the same stuff repeated from the last one. No, I don't have to read threads here if I don't want to, but that doesn't mean I can't wish there were more posts worth reading here either. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:55:00 - [53] awwww, If the forums upset you then dont read them, i know its been said a few times already but tbh thats the simple thing to do really. People take this forum all too seriously, you only have to take my posts for example. Im not like that in RL, im fairly nice and sweet :P i dont treat people like that in RL, but its a game and one i enjoy playing. My roleplaying/character is arrogant etc, and i might bash you on the forums but that doesnt mean ill bash you in RL or in a 1on1 chat. Take the forums like they are, 1 huge propoganda machine + news and leave RL out of it and youll learn to enjoy reading it. Ive made friends in every war BoB has been in, and had friendly chats with alot of ppl i was working on destroying ingame, even stain-allince members who those that remember our forum conflicts might say that they were as bad or even worse then against ASCN. Its a game and the forums are a part of it.
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:00:00 - [54] I'm with Wild Rho on this. I'd like to read more interesting stuff but lately it's blah blah k/d ratio h4xor complaints and personal abuse. Maybe I'll come back and really read posts here when people decide to post something interesting. Now wheres that beer?
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:04:00 - [55] Edited by: Darcuese on 13/11/2006 15:08:05 Well, variaty of war propaganda is often determent by the reasons that started the wars. This BoB-ASCN conflict can not compare with 5 versus FA/PA/NBSI. (I have taken this as example couse I was part of it). This BoB-ASCN started purely on chalange basic (to take down big industrial alliance that suppose to be very organized and rich with resurses) The 5 v FA/PA/NBSI however had completely different motivation. 2 very different propagandas. Reason for each WAR was different...ergo, IMHO, very different propaganda on forums. And tbh, this BOB-ASCN conflict on forums isnt that bad smacking as someone might think Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Codin Plaks Gallente Dawn of a new Empire Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:23:00 - [56] I agree with poster and Gungankllr. I am reading this forum to keep up to date on developments with alliances and the wars they are in. I too noticed that a lot of threads are not what they used to be. Downgrading people by calling them idiots and whatever is never needed. Role playing is fine, but try and keep it respectfull and civilised. We play this game for fun, name calling is not my idea of fun. In fact, this is one of the "better" threads in this forum. -------------------------------------------- We are recruiting. Click here for info.
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:33:00 - [57] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: jeNK Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it. This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed. dbp For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack? One man's information is another man's smak. We could post the most straightforward stat based post and ASCN would still view it as smak. dbp In regards to posting private stuff, yes I agree it will pretty much always be seen as smack, no matter how it's posted. That'll just be the essence in which it is posted, i.e. not supposed to be in public and the whole betrayal thing. However, in this very thread.. Nez, Krystals "awwwww" smack. BlackLight and others, not smack. It's also amazingly easy to see who does and doesn't read all of the posts..
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:00:00 - [58] Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 16:00:41 Originally by: jeNK I'm calling you out. What is your reference to the My little pony forums all about, then, if it's not smack? Fine then... Originally by: Nez Perces When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative : My Little Pony Forums What I wrote was completely general... it referred to those that have delicate sensibilities....whoever they may be. I provided an alternative forum to browse should anybody out there need a break from the corrosive influence of the CAOD section of the EVE-O boards. If you felt that what I said was directed at you personally.. that is not my fault but your own. I mentioned no character names, no organisations, nobody. Only those who chose to view at from a personal perspective would.... but the literal meaning of what I wrote is there for all to see...... I cannot help what thought processes ocurr in other people's heads. If what I wrote made you see red.. I suggest you step away from the screen for a few moments and reassess your reasons for the OP in the first place. Again, where is the smack?
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:02:00 - [59] Originally by: KIAEddZ Forum Warfare is where the battle is won, EVERYONE knows that. The spirit in a man must be stilled if he is to be vanquished, as long as his mind remains, he is still unbeaten. BoB understand it, as do many other parties. Your post is a clear sign that it works. So to win a game, is to make the opposition not want to play the game? No, that's not defeat/victory, that's circumventing the goal, to remove your opposition from the equation, rather than to take it head on and solve the equation. For all intents and purposes, I appreciate the roleplay. I appreciate the calling/provoking of an opposition to come to fight. I do not appreciate being told I should go and read the My Little Pony forums. I do not appreciate it when people refer to others as "living in the basement" or "anti-socials." There is a very clear distinction between "So, we've killed 50BS in 40mins. What you going to do about it?" vs "awww diddums, did bobsy wobsy upset you?" (both are blatant examples, so don't go asking for links/quotes, please)
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:04:00 - [60] Nez, that's weak. Really weak. Laughable, too.

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