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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:17:00 -
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Please ignore my Alliance and Corp tags, if you possibly can.
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Is anyone else totally bored of this verbal diarrhea, from just about anyone who is involved in some form of conflict or dispute?
Some people either need to cheer up, or go buy a pack of razor blades.
It's a game.. how anyone can get so worked up, and try to insult others so much, over a game is just laughable.
One thing is for certain, all this "exchanging of comments" is making the game just plain unpleasant for some. If that's what you guys want to do to the game, i.e. kill it, then please go ahead.. you are doing a grand job of adding to the list of "reasons to quit EVE"
And if anyone asks.. the reason for me posting this is my disatisfaction in a response from the mods about the attitudes of many posts, including many from my own alliance.
Oh and I try not to read these forums, but it's impossible to play this game and escape them, cross-posts to internal forums etc. make it so. So there's no need to post that suggestion.
"IBTL", "Can I have you stuff?" or other equally unfunny comments below, please.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:33:00 -
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I am quite sure that there are as many people who would find losing this forum and it's antics a reason for leaving Eve as there are those who find the existence of this forum offends their sensibilities.
I can't understand why people have a problem with this forum at all to be honest, it's the eye of the maelstrom of player driven content in Eve, the crucible of all that is good in terms of Eve roleplay in it's broadest sense (roleplay in the sense that we all play a game and are playing our characters, even if we don't all get into the same level of roleplay as the Minmatar and Amarr conflict dudes do or the Gallente holo**** actresses or whatever lurks the so called roleplay forums).
You need to work on your perspective if this forum upsets you.
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Xrak
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:33:00 -
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You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope).
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King Fury
Caldari
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:33:00 -
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 Originally by: jeNK
Please ignore my Alliance and Corp tags, if you possibly can.
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Is anyone else totally bored of this verbal diarrhea, from just about anyone who is involved in some form of conflict or dispute?
Some people either need to cheer up, or go buy a pack of razor blades.
It's a game.. how anyone can get so worked up, and try to insult others so much, over a game is just laughable.
One thing is for certain, all this "exchanging of comments" is making the game just plain unpleasant for some. If that's what you guys want to do to the game, i.e. kill it, then please go ahead.. you are doing a grand job of adding to the list of "reasons to quit EVE"
And if anyone asks.. the reason for me posting this is my disatisfaction in a response from the mods about the attitudes of many posts, including many from my own alliance.
Oh and I try not to read these forums, but it's impossible to play this game and escape them, cross-posts to internal forums etc. make it so. So there's no need to post that suggestion.
"IBTL", "Can I have you stuff?" or other equally unfunny comments below, please.
It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory.
It does suck but apparently it gets results  .
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:34:00 -
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It's a shame you feel like that. I personally enjoy the politic's of any given crisis or war, add's deph and passion. Insult's get thrown back and forth, battle's rage and excuses are made. If everyone just got along, it would lead to a very dull experience imo
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:36:00 -
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I agree with the OP.
Too much mud is being thrown around here.
At first it was fun and entertaining, but as time passes by I have lost respect
for many a well known player. both in BoB and ASCN.
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Lorn Yeager
Blessed Souls
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
I am quite sure that there are as many people who would find losing this forum and it's antics a reason for leaving Eve as there are those who find the existence of this forum offends their sensibilities.
I can't understand why people have a problem with this forum at all to be honest, it's the eye of the maelstrom of player driven content in Eve, the crucible of all that is good in terms of Eve roleplay in it's broadest sense (roleplay in the sense that we all play a game and are playing our characters, even if we don't all get into the same level of roleplay as the Minmatar and Amarr conflict dudes do or the Gallente holo**** actresses or whatever lurks the so called roleplay forums).
You need to work on your perspective if this forum upsets you.
You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing
at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names.
You, as a well know PvP'er and respected for that - have fallen pray for the urge
to do just that. Thats what some of us are tired of reading.
At least give us some REAL roleplay then.
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Lorn Yeager
Blessed Souls
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: King Fury
It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory.
It does suck but apparently it gets results .
That's the other amusing thing about this forum at the moment. ok so we use extensive forum propaganda and are as bad or good, depending on your perspective, as anyone else doing it in Eve at the moment.
However, this isn't "modern" as in new within Eve. All those people in game who have been around the block for a couple of years with an interest in alliance politics/conflict have seen all this before relating to wars in Eve since 2003. The CA related spam and hate and frothing on the forums was intense at times, the forum war surrounding the GNW was equally as intense and many other smaller conflicts have had similar.
This isn't new, it's just that some of you haven't seen it conducted at this level before.
Personally I think it's a) great and adds spice to the game and b) that this forum is EXACTLY the right place for it. What are we going to read about in here that sparks interest and entertains the community if not a bit of lively verbal headbutting between protagonists?
The old but simple maxim of "if you're not interested don't read it" may be a bit of a tired old cliche on these boards but it is 100% true none the less.
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope).
No, it leaks into everything.. on TS, in-game channels etc. etc. It's not so much the actual content.. but things like "Did you hear what XYZ posted?" and so on that is unavoidable.
Originally by: King Fury
It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory.
It does suck but apparently it gets results .
Please don't try to turn this into an anti-BoB (or anti-anyone for that matter) as that is not what this is about. Nearly all alliances have people posting hate fuelled responses.
Blacklight - is it really just me that needs to change my perspective? You mention roleplay, and I do agree to that, this is of course a role palying game, but comments, that embarassingly my own alliance have posted, like "living in the basement of their parents house".. that's not exactly roleplay now, is it? It is these 'extreme' posts that are making life in eve in general unpleasant. More so the reluctance of the mods (and GM's in game) to respond to such insults.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 13/11/2006 12:47:23
Me thinks you take what is written here a bit overly serious.
If I insult someone here, it is as part of the gameplay that I do so. As part of me being in BoB which is the current enemy of your alliance and is indeed using multiple methods of achieving domination over you.
Propaganda can be a very lovely tool of war too.
You just have to like it. I happen to like it as much as I do the shooting bits with the spaceships. Sometimes things get a little worked up yes, and that's a shame. But mostly that's due to people lacking the skills and taste for it to actually play in this part of the arena.
Look at it as an in-character activity. Even although these forums are out of character, as are alot of the topics discussed here, the feuds and wars that are played out here are very much in character.
edit: and if you would carefully read most of the posts posted by most of the more active posters in this forum you'll notice a lack of insults or protestations containing direct references to RL situations and/or characteristics.
If I insult for example your HC's wartime leadership abilities, I'm insulting exactly that, and not their RL morality or abilities. Of course, people tend to take these remarks and drag them into the sphere of RL insults, as indicated by the example you've given yourself.
But does that mean that I need to post less of my insults ? Or does it means that people need to learn that this part of the game is as much "ingame" as any other, and should be kept that way ?
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Crux Australis
Reikoku
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:42:00 -
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I have a simple rule about forums and their content: if you don't like it, if you think that the content of a post might offend or just simply annoy you, then don't read it.
I seldomly post on these forums, but I like to read them for entertaining reason and to keep up to date with what is happening in game.
Would I change them in any way?
No.
Imho they add spice to what happens in game: the game and the forums are complementary.
This said, if you don't like someone's posts, just skip them.
If you are annoyed by a certain kind of post, 99% of the time the first lines of the OP (or the title of the OP itself) will tell you the contents: you can choose to avoid said post.
I like to read this forum, it contains sensible stuff, humour, trolling, tinfoilhattery and asshattery mixed up in a very entertaining formula.
I enjoyed this forum when I was new to the game, when I wasn't in bob and now that I am in bob.
Does the ticker on my avatar change the way in which I read/post on this forum?
No.
Imho all of this has to be viewed (again) in an entertaining contest.
It is like a soap opera with 1000s of actors.
You don't get worked up with fictional stuff that happens in a tv show, right?
And if you do, you just change channel, right?
Just my 0,02 ISK.
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King Fury
Caldari
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:46:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: King Fury
It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory.
It does suck but apparently it gets results .
That's the other amusing thing about this forum at the moment. ok so we use extensive forum propaganda and are as bad or good, depending on your perspective, as anyone else doing it in Eve at the moment.
However, this isn't "modern" as in new within Eve. All those people in game who have been around the block for a couple of years with an interest in alliance politics/conflict have seen all this before relating to wars in Eve since 2003. The CA related spam and hate and frothing on the forums was intense at times, the forum war surrounding the GNW was equally as intense and many other smaller conflicts have had similar.
This isn't new, it's just that some of you haven't seen it conducted at this level before.
Personally I think it's a) great and adds spice to the game and b) that this forum is EXACTLY the right place for it. What are we going to read about in here that sparks interest and entertains the community if not a bit of lively verbal headbutting between protagonists?
The old but simple maxim of "if you're not interested don't read it" may be a bit of a tired old cliche on these boards but it is 100% true none the less.
Ah KK thanks for the history lesson, you guys just use it to its full potential. But I think you do take it too far by slating ASCN's leadership, various posts on individuals, McCreedy,etc, sometime go a little too far. When at the end of the day he is giving you a fight, which Im sure is all you want?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lorn Yeager
You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing
at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names.
You, as a well know PvP'er and respected for that - have fallen pray for the urge
to do just that. Thats what some of us are tired of reading.
At least give us some REAL roleplay then.
That is probably to a large degree because you are not involved and therefore the forum war doesn't directly affect you. I can see how that would be much less interesting and how undoubtedly a lot of the hidden messages and nuances in the posts would go over your head, leaving what apparently is just two groups of people attempting to belittle each other.
There is a lot more going on in much of this forum war than you perhaps give credit and probably 90% of the things written by BoB regarding ASCN are not directed at anyone other than ASCN.
Whether people realise it or not I am firmly of the opinion that Eve would be a much duller place without the forum antics that accompany a major war and that propaganda has a very important place within alliance warfare (particularly when it is based on facts that are unpleasant to read and accept about your alliance).
Blog
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King Fury
Caldari
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:48:00 -
[14]
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: Xrak
You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope).
No, it leaks into everything.. on TS, in-game channels etc. etc. It's not so much the actual content.. but things like "Did you hear what XYZ posted?" and so on that is unavoidable.
Originally by: King Fury
It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory.
It does suck but apparently it gets results .
Please don't try to turn this into an anti-BoB (or anti-anyone for that matter) as that is not what this is about. Nearly all alliances have people posting hate fuelled responses.
Blacklight - is it really just me that needs to change my perspective? You mention roleplay, and I do agree to that, this is of course a role palying game, but comments, that embarassingly my own alliance have posted, like "living in the basement of their parents house".. that's not exactly roleplay now, is it? It is these 'extreme' posts that are making life in eve in general unpleasant. More so the reluctance of the mods (and GM's in game) to respond to such insults.
Sorry wasnt trying to make this into anti-bob, just hi-liting they are the masters of forum spin. Which they use to great affect.
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Sun Ra
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:48:00 -
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Well those who quit the game over forum drama should remember its just a game and the forums are part of the game
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Sku1ly
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:52:00 -
[16]
Get back to mining Veld jeNK.
STK-S |
Jimmy Riddle
Possibly
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:53:00 -
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The only reason I read this channel is for a laugh, but sometimes the stuff posted is plain derogatory, theres no need for it.
Every couple of days theres some sort of goading between Alliance1 vs Alliance2 and that they've got a bigger hairy sack compared to the other (note: mine are shaven, hence I couldn't care either way  ).
Its always the same old drivel. Most of the threads on here I don't even bother with anymore
Anyway its all about propaganda this section of the board, so make of it what you will....
I'm in no doubt though, that if the nodes didn't constantly crash and there could be decent fleet fights, we'd see more of the GF threads with some decent screenies and what not.
/me wants screenies d.amn it!!!! 
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 13/11/2006 12:58:40
Originally by: King Fury
Ah KK thanks for the history lesson, you guys just use it to its full potential. But I think you do take it too far by slating ASCN's leadership, various posts on individuals, McCreedy,etc, sometime go a little too far. When at the end of the day he is giving you a fight, which Im sure is all you want?
As I said before, take our propaganda, even if it gets personal, as in-character. We insult MCcreedy in ways that are related to his ingame activities (As we see them. We consider his alliance forum posting ingame acitvity if the content warrants it for example), not to his OOG character.
We base our words on what happens in the context of the gameplay, so that makes those words have exactly the same reach and not more. I'm sure alot of my enemies are in RL very nice men that I'd probably enjoy drinking a glass of wine with. Of course, it would help me if they'd keep their words related to Eve gameplay as well, and not to my RL character. Mr MCcreedy and others doing that latter does admittedly manage to get me worked up enough to slightly cross the lines I set for myself.
edit2: edited the edit, I wasn't being realistic.
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lorn Yeager on 13/11/2006 12:53:29
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Lorn Yeager
You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing
at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names.
You, as a well know PvP'er and respected for that - have fallen pray for the urge
to do just that. Thats what some of us are tired of reading.
At least give us some REAL roleplay then.
That is probably to a large degree because you are not involved and therefore the forum war doesn't directly affect you. I can see how that would be much less interesting and how undoubtedly a lot of the hidden messages and nuances in the posts would go over your head, leaving what apparently is just two groups of people attempting to belittle each other.
There is a lot more going on in much of this forum war than you perhaps give credit and probably 90% of the things written by BoB regarding ASCN are not directed at anyone other than ASCN.
Whether people realise it or not I am firmly of the opinion that Eve would be a much duller place without the forum antics that accompany a major war and that propaganda has a very important place within alliance warfare (particularly when it is based on facts that are unpleasant to read and accept about your alliance).
I agree in part. But... it does make you and yours look stupid and childish none the less.
Words can be used in two ways: Either to disguise thought, or to disguise that there are no thought at all.
More and more, the latter comes to mind.
Get my point?
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Lorn Yeager
Blessed Souls
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:59:00 -
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Random board smack really doesn't deserve to be dressed up with the term "propaganda", or compared to whatever overblown or inappropriate real life examples people dredge up.
It's not "propaganda". It's not fun role play. It's just forum smack.
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:03:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Halafian
Random board smack really doesn't deserve to be dressed up with the term "propaganda", or compared to whatever overblown or inappropriate real life examples people dredge up.
It's not "propaganda". It's not fun role play. It's just forum smack.
So true.
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Lorn Yeager
Blessed Souls
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:08:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Lorn Yeager
You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing
at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names.
You should see the politics of RL, some nations leaders act in a similiar way (as the bolded part states) 
Hence many people dont like politics, and simply ignore it.
Though would be funny to see some people quit the 'RL' due to their inablity to ignore stuff 
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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:09:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Halafian
Random board smack really doesn't deserve to be dressed up with the term "propaganda", or compared to whatever overblown or inappropriate real life examples people dredge up.
It's not "propaganda". It's not fun role play. It's just forum smack.
I reckon it depends on your point of view.
Most people in BoB don't see it as "Forum smack".
It's up to everybody else to think for themselves and read it as they see fit.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 13:12:47
Here we go again......
first of all... If You Don't like the content of this section of the forums... DON'T READ IT.
These boards are very well moderated and recieve a lot of attention from ISD.
The CAOD board is a window into the soul of EVE, take away the political excitment that comes from announcements from the big alliances, propaganda or not and you will be ripping the heart out of EVE.
If you don't understand why CAOD and its content is so important.. then 0.0 life and EVE is simply not your game..... at all.
When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative :
My Little Pony Forums
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:14:00 -
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I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators.
They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously.
Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway)
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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:14:00 -
[26]
Stop following me around Nez. 
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:16:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Nez Perces
When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative :
My Little Pony Forums
rofl
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:17:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Weebear
People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
You'd be surprised! 
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:18:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Weebear
I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators.
They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously.
Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway)
People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space...
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash.
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:21:00 -
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And if this forum could benefit from anyone person not being able to post, it would be Nez Perces in Brown Nose Corp.
Your valid points to posts ratio is worse than our kill ratio against BoB.
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King Fury
Caldari
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:22:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Weebear
I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators.
They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously.
Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway)
People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space...
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash.
I find that a tad harsh when gungakllr always posts factually without any smack. Even though he has a thankless job we all could learn a lot from him
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Evelyn Exe
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:24:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Weebear
I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators.
They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously.
Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway)
People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space...
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash.
The day I feel bad that we are not an alliance of elite forum *****s is the day I leave.
And for the record we could not give a toss about the community reading their war reports. BoB is killing alot of ships. Is this news to anyone? Is anyone surprised?
Those that are pro-BoB will always be pro-BoB regardless of forum posts. Those that hate ASCN will always do so. Those that hate BoB will alwys do so regardless of any forum post.
Everyone just assumes that their friend tells the truth and their enemies lie.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:27:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Weebear
And if this forum could benefit from anyone person not being able to post, it would be Nez Perces in Brown Nose Corp.
Your valid points to posts ratio is worse than our kill ratio against BoB.
I didn't say people wouldn't be able to read the press releases, just not respond.
..... you really have a cheek don't you....you come here saying that the forums are degenerating into
name calling and pointless smack and propaganda.. but as soon as somebody says something you don't like.. you resort to name calling.... well done...
Thanks for tripping up on your own argument.
My point still stands.. it hurts ASCN a lot to see BoB making their announcements and it hurts even more to have people respond and actually even agree with them....
The reality is that BoB's propaganda has worked exactly as intended and you don't like it.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:33:00 -
[34]
Originally by: King Fury
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Weebear
I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators.
They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously.
Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway)
People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space...
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash.
I find that a tad harsh when gungakllr always posts factually without any smack. Even though he has a thankless job we all could learn a lot from him
Which is why I quoted WeeBear and not GK....btw weren't ASCN pilots supposed to keep their forum posting to a minimum or has that been changed now...
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:37:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Weebear
And if this forum could benefit from anyone person not being able to post, it would be Nez Perces in Brown Nose Corp.
Your valid points to posts ratio is worse than our kill ratio against BoB.
I didn't say people wouldn't be able to read the press releases, just not respond.
..... you really have a cheek don't you....you come here saying that the forums are degenerating into
name calling and pointless smack and propaganda.. but as soon as somebody says something you don't like.. you resort to name calling.... well done...
Thanks for tripping up on your own argument.
My point still stands.. it hurts ASCN a lot to see BoB making their announcements and it hurts even more to have people respond and actually even agree with them....
The reality is that BoB's propaganda has worked exactly as intended and you don't like it.
No Nez, nowhere did I say I didn't like a bit of name calling, chest beating, propaganda or anything like it. In fact I love it everytime I see a post from DBP, Molle, Blacklight, CYVOK, John, Shin Ra, Seleene or any other person that is actually involved in a conflict.
I think it's great, and to lose it would be tragic.
What I can't stand are the complete non-entities that jump into these posts and drag them down. (example, you in this post) and those are the people I would like to see unable to post on these forums, as it's those characters that drag everyone else down to their level.
If you would like to continue this "debate", please eve mail me, and lets not ruin what is a perfectly reasonable request by jeNK to try and make everything a lot more enjoyable for all.
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King Fury
Caldari
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:39:00 -
[36]
Edited by: King Fury on 13/11/2006 13:41:12
Originally by: Nez PercesYour real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash.
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I find that a tad harsh when gungakllr always posts factually without any smack. Even though he has a thankless job we all could learn a lot from him
Which is why I quoted WeeBear and not GK....btw weren't ASCN pilots supposed to keep their forum posting to a minimum or has that been changed now...
Fair enough shame your post doesnt reflect that.
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:40:00 -
[37]
Edited by: jeNK on 13/11/2006 13:41:17
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 13:12:47
Here we go again......
first of all... If You Don't like the content of this section of the forums... DON'T READ IT.
These boards are very well moderated and recieve a lot of attention from ISD.
The CAOD board is a window into the soul of EVE, take away the political excitment that comes from announcements from the big alliances, propaganda or not and you will be ripping the heart out of EVE.
If you don't understand why CAOD and its content is so important.. then 0.0 life and EVE is simply not your game..... at all.
When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative :
My Little Pony Forums
*yawn*
and exact example of the useless drivel that barely scrapes under the radar of the mods.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:43:00 -
[38]
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:44:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Weebear
I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators.
They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously.
Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway)
People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
I like the idea of a section for alliance poster's only, maybe the thread's can be replied to by the relevant warring parties or something. No more dumb trolling by people who it doesn't involve, o the joy.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:46:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Darcuese on 13/11/2006 13:50:57
Originally by: Lorn Yeager
I agree in part. But... it does make you and yours look stupid and childish none the less.
Words can be used in two ways: Either to disguise thought, or to disguise that there are no thought at all.
So, there is no way for someone to use words for sharing real thoughts? Come on, do not copy some philosophy you might have picked in some bookes and just paste it here.
And speaking about post that make poster look stupid or childish. Its poster problem after all.
Perspective off ppl is different from individual to individual, so if you THINK someone act childish, you just skip that post and move further....
And if ppl are really stupid, would you ban them from posting just becouse his majesty could read some real wisdom in game related forum?
In the end, this bellow sum it right, IMHO
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Me thinks you take what is written here a bit overly serious.
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:47:00 -
[41]
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed.
dbp
For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack?
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Sku1ly
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:51:00 -
[42]
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
/quote]
What if you're reading the forums on a Mac?
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:52:00 -
[43]
Originally by: jeNK
and exact example of the useless drivel that barely scrapes under the radar of the mods.
you know what your OP was useless drivel.. how about that...
Just cause you have an ASCN tag under your name does not give you the moral highground to judge what is a useful post and what isn't.
Thats the domain of ISD.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:53:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sku1ly
Edited by: Sku1ly on 13/11/2006 13:52:11
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
What if you're reading the forums on a Mac?
Then get a real computer. Macs are for emos and girls
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:54:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/11/2006 13:54:33
I don't like it, e.g. if uninvolved people turn around words, create 'facts' out of nothing and start to insult me indirectly with stuff that I know that isn't true.
Then I am a bit tempted to tell them that I think they are idiots right in their face, because it ****es me off. 
I usually only avoid the word 'idiot' and say it a bit differently just to keep my posting rights.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:57:00 -
[46]
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed.
dbp
For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack?
One man's information is another man's smak.
We could post the most straightforward stat based post and ASCN would still view it as smak.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:58:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Nez, the main problem with this argument, is that you and I both know where it would lead if say, I started hitting the forums in the same manner as BoB.
Every thread would devolve into a poster case for asshattery, things would be forty times worse than they are now.
People on both sides whom most of the time are able to behave in a civilized manner would end up eating a big bowl of stupid before hitting the enter key.
These forums, while entertaining to some, would be completely lost for smaller corps and alliances.
For instance, see this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425025
A new CEO trying to find his way in the Eve universe, gets a grand total of 4 responses before his post is knocked to page 2.5 by the 300 different ASCN vs. BoB posts.
I don't claim to be the saviour of the forums, I'm not as intelligent, charming, rich or important as 95% of people on these forums.
The only difference is I see utterly zero point in degrading people and what they have accomplished.
I've been in Eve for so long, but I can still remember the sense of grandiose and amazement the first time I pulled my Bantam up next to a Scorpion Battleship in Kisogo.
I told him "Nice Ship" in local, and I'm sure he got a good laugh.
This game has changed so much since then.
We don't need to make every post in here about BoB vs. ASCN, and we don't need to make every post we enter bitter and full of venom.
If that's what makes you happy in life, then go forth with your torches and pitchforks.
Those of us in the castle will still be here when you're done talking.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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King Fury
Caldari
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:03:00 -
[48]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed.
dbp
For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack?
One man's information is another man's smak.
We could post the most straightforward stat based post and ASCN would still view it as smak.
dbp
Love you or hate you, you certainly have a way of getting under peoples skin. As when you post the straightforward stat, with a slight slant, it normally sends your enemy into orbit thus culminating in a smackfest
As soon as you have a reaction to your post you have won yet another forum skirmish.
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:06:00 -
[49]
Originally by: DB Preacher
One man's information is another man's smak.
Im a BoB fanboy you know. Anyway, just watch out or something like THIS might happen to you.
Harsh humor in linkage
Begin sig: //->
Its Aloha time!
Lorn Yeager
Blessed Souls
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:17:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Originally by: Nez Perces
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
Nez, the main problem with this argument, is that you and I both know where it would lead if say, I started hitting the forums in the same manner as BoB.
Every thread would devolve into a poster case for asshattery, things would be forty times worse than they are now.
I dont think so, I think the forums would be even more 'hot', so to speak.. and even more fun for the forum warriors
Dont you curious who would win the forum war, if ASCN tried to fight on that front as well, rather than give up?
Quote:
These forums, while entertaining to some, would be completely lost for smaller corps and alliances.
For instance, see this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425025
A new CEO trying to find his way in the Eve universe, gets a grand total of 4 responses before his post is knocked to page 2.5 by the 300 different ASCN vs. BoB posts.
He got his answer - go to Fountain
Seriously, I am pretty sure he got contacted ingame by those interested in renting out their space or whatever..
After all this forum is not here to nagotiate etc, but just to initiate contact for posts like his.
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Sun Ra
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:37:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sku1ly
Edited by: Sku1ly on 13/11/2006 13:52:11
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
What if you're reading the forums on a Mac?
Then you click the x on the lefthand side
or
If you're smart and use a good brower than you just close the tab, dbp is scottish thus 10 years behind everyone else thus he's still using netscape naviagator
Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
Wild Rho
Amarr
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:49:00 -
[52]
I tend to agree with the OP for the most part.
The posting here hasn't so much as evolved as devolved in truth. Whereas quite a while ago there was some sense of drama and admittedly a bit of a soap opera going on during the old wars, it was fairly fun to read regardless of what side you were on or even if you weren't involved at all.
These days it largely comes down to kill/death ratios, numbers on each side - yadda yadda yadda - and the usual bad mouthing and personal attacks on each side as well as blaming lag or whatever else can be thought of.
There's no sense of anyone truely giving a toss about having any style and instead folks just seem to go through the same motions over and over again.
This forum section seems to have become more of a stomping ground for peoples egos and bragging rights than anything close to a real discussion. Of course there are exceptions but those are few and far between.
Generally it's alot of blagging about the current flavour of the month corp/alliance war with the same stuff repeated from the last one.
No, I don't have to read threads here if I don't want to, but that doesn't mean I can't wish there were more posts worth reading here either.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Kryztal
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:55:00 -
[53]
awwww,
If the forums upset you then dont read them, i know its been said a few times already but tbh thats the simple thing to do really. People take this forum all too seriously, you only have to take my posts for example. Im not like that in RL, im fairly nice and sweet :P i dont treat people like that in RL, but its a game and one i enjoy playing. My roleplaying/character is arrogant etc, and i might bash you on the forums but that doesnt mean ill bash you in RL or in a 1on1 chat. Take the forums like they are, 1 huge propoganda machine + news and leave RL out of it and youll learn to enjoy reading it.
Ive made friends in every war BoB has been in, and had friendly chats with alot of ppl i was working on destroying ingame, even stain-allince members who those that remember our forum conflicts might say that they were as bad or even worse then against ASCN. Its a game and the forums are a part of it.
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Helen
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:00:00 -
[54]
I'm with Wild Rho on this.
I'd like to read more interesting stuff but lately it's blah blah k/d ratio h4xor complaints and personal abuse.
Maybe I'll come back and really read posts here when people decide to post something interesting.
Now wheres that beer?
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:04:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Darcuese on 13/11/2006 15:08:05
Well, variaty of war propaganda is often determent by the reasons that started the wars.
This BoB-ASCN conflict can not compare with 5 versus FA/PA/NBSI. (I have taken this as example couse I was part of it).
This BoB-ASCN started purely on chalange basic (to take down big industrial alliance that suppose to be very organized and rich with resurses)
The 5 v FA/PA/NBSI however had completely different motivation.
2 very different propagandas. Reason for each WAR was different...ergo, IMHO, very different propaganda on forums.
And tbh, this BOB-ASCN conflict on forums isnt that bad smacking as someone might think
Darth Solo=McCready...in different package |
Codin Plaks
Gallente
Dawn of a new Empire
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:23:00 -
[56]
I agree with poster and Gungankllr. I am reading this forum to keep up to date on developments with alliances and the wars they are in. I too noticed that a lot of threads are not what they used to be. Downgrading people by calling them idiots and whatever is never needed.
Role playing is fine, but try and keep it respectfull and civilised. We play this game for fun, name calling is not my idea of fun. In fact, this is one of the "better" threads in this forum. 
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
This is the most information section on these forums with regards corps, organisations and alliances and eve would lose alot of it's personality and character if this was removed.
dbp
For information, yes. For hatrid, insults and just plain smack?
One man's information is another man's smak.
We could post the most straightforward stat based post and ASCN would still view it as smak.
dbp
In regards to posting private stuff, yes I agree it will pretty much always be seen as smack, no matter how it's posted. That'll just be the essence in which it is posted, i.e. not supposed to be in public and the whole betrayal thing.
However, in this very thread.. Nez, Krystals "awwwww" smack. BlackLight and others, not smack.
It's also amazingly easy to see who does and doesn't read all of the posts..
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:00:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 16:00:41
Originally by: jeNK
I'm calling you out. What is your reference to the My little pony forums all about, then, if it's not smack?
Fine then...
Originally by: Nez Perces
When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative :
My Little Pony Forums
What I wrote was completely general... it referred to those that have delicate sensibilities....whoever they may be.
I provided an alternative forum to browse should anybody out there need a break from the corrosive influence of the CAOD section of the EVE-O boards.
If you felt that what I said was directed at you personally.. that is not my fault but your own.
I mentioned no character names, no organisations, nobody. Only those who chose to view at from a personal perspective would.... but the literal meaning of what I wrote is there for all to see......
I cannot help what thought processes ocurr in other people's heads. If what I wrote made you see red.. I suggest you step away from the screen for a few moments and reassess your reasons for the OP in the first place.
Again, where is the smack?
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:02:00 -
[59]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Forum Warfare is where the battle is won, EVERYONE knows that.
The spirit in a man must be stilled if he is to be vanquished, as long as his mind remains, he is still unbeaten.
BoB understand it, as do many other parties.
Your post is a clear sign that it works.
So to win a game, is to make the opposition not want to play the game?
No, that's not defeat/victory, that's circumventing the goal, to remove your opposition from the equation, rather than to take it head on and solve the equation.
For all intents and purposes, I appreciate the roleplay. I appreciate the calling/provoking of an opposition to come to fight. I do not appreciate being told I should go and read the My Little Pony forums. I do not appreciate it when people refer to others as "living in the basement" or "anti-socials." There is a very clear distinction between "So, we've killed 50BS in 40mins. What you going to do about it?" vs "awww diddums, did bobsy wobsy upset you?"
(both are blatant examples, so don't go asking for links/quotes, please)
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:04:00 -
[60]
Nez, that's weak. Really weak. Laughable, too.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:05:00 -
[61]
Originally by: jeNK
Nez, that's weak. Really weak. Laughable, too.
K ...mm... care to tell us why what I wrote is weak or laughable?
Or are you just gonna sit there and smack.. huh?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:07:00 -
[62]
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Forum Warfare is where the battle is won, EVERYONE knows that.
The spirit in a man must be stilled if he is to be vanquished, as long as his mind remains, he is still unbeaten.
BoB understand it, as do many other parties.
Your post is a clear sign that it works.
So to win a game, is to make the opposition not want to play the game?
No, that's not defeat/victory, that's circumventing the goal, to remove your opposition from the equation, rather than to take it head on and solve the equation.
For all intents and purposes, I appreciate the roleplay. I appreciate the calling/provoking of an opposition to come to fight. I do not appreciate being told I should go and read the My Little Pony forums. I do not appreciate it when people refer to others as "living in the basement" or "anti-socials." There is a very clear distinction between "So, we've killed 50BS in 40mins. What you going to do about it?" vs "awww diddums, did bobsy wobsy upset you?"
(both are blatant examples, so don't go asking for links/quotes, please)
Jenk.
Those remarks, that form of warfare, is specifically set out to break people like yourself.
I know your having a hard time seeing it, but this isnt a random attack, these arent random comments, these are well planned, welll thought out tactical advances upon your alliances state of mind.
AND i will repeat, posts liek these show very clearly that it works perfectly.
KIA EVE Home
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:07:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Again, where is the smack?
Here More or less |
Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:11:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Weebear
Originally by: Nez Perces
Again, where is the smack?
Here More or less
So you have resorted to personal attacks again.. I was wondering how long it would take ASCN members to abandon the moral highground altogether....
You know what the best thing that can happen to this thread now... is that the OP do himself and his alliance a huge favour and ask for the thread to be locked.
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:13:00 -
[65]
Tbh I dissagre that the forum has become a smack fest, if you look at older post it's pretty much the same smack since 2003. I personally think that a lot of ppl are oversensitive and think that when someone dissagree with them they are being smacked. Sometimes ppl do get frustrated and can't help them self and post in anger, well to bad for them because that is their own problem. Can't deal with the fun then don't read it. Some ppl may think it's childish but oh well be Mr mature then and leave us children to do what we enjoy to do.
I never take anyone seriously in this game, they can post lies, smack, nice battle posts, congrats post whatever. I never take it 100% serious. It's a game after all and in this game I'm an ******* and you better have to learn to live with it
You Will Cry My Name
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:18:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Weebear on 13/11/2006 16:19:52
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Weebear
Originally by: Nez Perces
Again, where is the smack?
Here More or less
So you have resorted to personal attacks again.. I was wondering how long it would take ASCN members to abandon the moral highground altogether....
You know what the best thing that can happen to this thread now... is that the OP do himself and his alliance a huge favour and ask for the thread to be locked.
I was just responding to your question, you could say "What I wrote was completly general..." |
Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:18:00 -
[67]
The only thing that I feel is that the "smack" has turned a bit unprofessional.
These forums are good, I like them and ***** them plenty as you all probably know but
some times it gets a bit too much since the line between IC smack and OOC smack gets blurred.
I am just as bad I might add but I love when I can get into some sort of RP thing.
The wars of old had even more posts and above all loooonger topics but somehow I get
the feeling those were more IC tweaked. This could be my nostalgica talking but still.
These days the starting post, at best, is somewhat IC then it just goes down hill from there.
Not really blaming anyone, the time it takes to do it properly is hard to find and
there has only been one Jade C and Co in this game so far.
Personally I would think all bigger topics would be both funnier and easier to read
if they were more IC (if you title says Commander then you should talk like one! ).
I know, there is another forum for IC stuff but that is more 'hardcore' RP in racial terms.
I fully believe the wars created and driven by players could be conducted in the same way.
And it used to be a whole lot more local chat IC stuff as well, much like it looks when
the event team meet their friends/hostiles. A qoute that have stayed with me is one from DBP(?):
"DBP: Greetings [Serpentis or something commander]"
"Serpentis Commander: Good evening insect!"
Now, how can you not love a response like that? And I know the rest of that convo was quite cool as well.
Im to hungry to continue but I hope I made my point, if not I try again after I get
some frikkin food in me belly! Like something with cheese on it...
Cheers,
Lowa
What if the truth was something else? |
jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:21:00 -
[68]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: jeNK
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Forum Warfare is where the battle is won, EVERYONE knows that.
The spirit in a man must be stilled if he is to be vanquished, as long as his mind remains, he is still unbeaten.
BoB understand it, as do many other parties.
Your post is a clear sign that it works.
So to win a game, is to make the opposition not want to play the game?
No, that's not defeat/victory, that's circumventing the goal, to remove your opposition from the equation, rather than to take it head on and solve the equation.
For all intents and purposes, I appreciate the roleplay. I appreciate the calling/provoking of an opposition to come to fight. I do not appreciate being told I should go and read the My Little Pony forums. I do not appreciate it when people refer to others as "living in the basement" or "anti-socials." There is a very clear distinction between "So, we've killed 50BS in 40mins. What you going to do about it?" vs "awww diddums, did bobsy wobsy upset you?"
(both are blatant examples, so don't go asking for links/quotes, please)
Jenk.
Those remarks, that form of warfare, is specifically set out to break people like yourself.
I know your having a hard time seeing it, but this isnt a random attack, these arent random comments, these are well planned, welll thought out tactical advances upon your alliances state of mind.
AND i will repeat, posts liek these show very clearly that it works perfectly.
I appreciate you posting this, however, this is probably what is key to it all.. is it really 'legit' warfare to just make the game an unpleasant environment? You could (and some do ) kill me all day, making all those hours spent making ISK/gathering ships+modules worthless, but that won't give me a bitter taste like the mud slinging does. So in essence, you are calling it a legitimate war tactic, to just make people not want to play at all?
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 16:34:23
Originally by: Weebear
I was just responding to your question, you could say "What I wrote was completly general..."
Like hell you can... if you follow the link it leads to the www.eve-search.com site... where you punched in my character's name and brought up all my posts .. all of them..
Then you referred to them as smack.. implying that I am a smacktard and that everything I post is smack.. (I've been called much worse things btw .. just making a point)
Gee how much more personal are you gonna get?
P.S also earlier you called my corp the Brown Nose Corp.. was that general too?
I think you can get off your high horse now and come and sit in the gutter with the rest of us.
[edit:typo]
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Herculite on 13/11/2006 16:48:33
Just think how these forums could be.....
BoB - Hey we are kinda bored and have all these ships, we are going to attack Paragon Soul.
ASCN - Hey thats cool, did you see our Titan?
BoB - Yea we did, nice job.
ASCN - Thanks.
ASCN - Boy you really did a number on us, we sure lost a lot of ships, you guys fight better than us.
BoB - Gee thanks, good fight
ASCN - Wow we took a Xelas station, but you weren't expecting that.
BoB - Yea it really surprised us you would attack Xelas. Nice job.
ASCN - Thanks.
BoB - Did you see our Titan?
ASCN - Yea nice, maybe you will see ours soon.
BoB - Ok cool, you guys holding up ok? Should we give you time to regroup? Well let you move to empire if you like, well not all of you, but most.
ASCN - Nah, its ok, we are learning, we'll let you know if we need more time.
BoB - Ok cool.
How boring. I'm at work, I want drama, I want lies, I want people who take the game way to seriously to blow a gasket at some guy making a fake newspaper about the game. Just about everyone in this game is the same. We are 99% males (and I'd assume 85% of that white males) living in the Western world, doing what our ancestors did which is burning down a village for fun, only in this case its a virtual village. Our TS's sound the same, we have the same jerks and idiots in our alliances we wish would leave eve, we have the same type of friends in game as we would tend to in rl.
Trash talk is part of that tradition in games and war, of which this has elements of both. Relax and enjoy the show.
As a friend of mine always says, show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. Its only to be expected that tempers flare here a bit, the trick is not tying your RL self esteme in with a pretend space pilot game.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: jeNK
So in essence, you are calling it a legitimate war tactic, to just make people not want to play at all?
Yes.
KIA EVE Home
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GowanIV
The Graduates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:49:00 -
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I have to agree with the OP. I am a casual EVE gamer. I read this forum, my corp and alliance forums to keep up to date on whats goin on in the systems I have assets. Everytime I read posts on this forum I can feel brain cells dying.
People say things that they would never say to their grandmothers, mothers or to a 6'2", 300 pound gorilla with an angry disposition. (yes, I know there are some of you out there that would).
As for using the forums to break my spirit.. please, give me a break. Its a game people. If I lose a ship or get stuck in a station by some pack of twits camping, the first thing I am going to do is NOT come to theh furms to learn how depressed and demoralized I am supposed to feel. Most likely I am logging and playing another game. This is supposed to be fun.
Life is too short, if you don't enjoy what you do then it is time to move on. If you are the type of person that enjoys making others feel miserable then consider this: noob supply dries up, people move on, games die. EVE is special but Eve (game or forums) would not be the first to die due to excessive griefing, flaming, etc.. If your goal is truly to achieve this point then what will you do when the game is forced to fold due to lack of players.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: GowanIV
Everytime I read posts on this forum I can feel brain cells dying.
Solution: Don't read the forums.. you should give it a try some time, it really works.
Originally by: GowanIV
People say things that they would never say to their grandmothers, mothers or to a 6'2", 300 pound gorilla with an angry disposition. (yes, I know there are some of you out there that would).
/emote wonders how many mothers, grandmothers and gorillas play EVE... can gorillas really play EVE?
Originally by: GowanIV
As for using the forums to break my spirit.. please, give me a break. Its a game people. If I lose a ship or get stuck in a station by some pack of twits camping, the first thing I am going to do is NOT come to theh furms to learn how depressed and demoralized I am supposed to feel. Most likely I am logging and playing another game. This is supposed to be fun.
Earlier you said that your braincells die when you read the forums... I'd say they are pretty effective then. Its practically a Weapon of Mass Destruction.... imagine how many braincells have died from this thread alone?
Originally by: GowanIV
EVE is special but Eve (game or forums) would not be the first to die due to excessive griefing, flaming, etc.. If your goal is truly to achieve this point then what will you do when the game is forced to fold due to lack of players.
Maybe you should let CCP worry about that...
Its weird.. I could swear that EVE's playerbase has been steadily increasing over time since it started, irrespective of how "awful" these forums are. Yeah I can see it now... "Medical Trials Find a Direct Link between Brain Cell Death and the COAD forums, EVE forced to close down"
Find some new arguments.
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Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:15:00 -
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I agree that the forums are a propoganda tool, but have always laughed at the "I was just roleplaying when I called you a fat loser that should die IRL" defense.
Anyway, when situations bring you into close (virtual) contact with others, the differences tend to get exaggerated. While we have so many factions and whatnot in Eve, at the end of the day we all have more in common with each other than with someone who doesn't understand the point in spending most of your free time flying spaceships in a fictional universe.
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:21:00 -
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The forum has always been mostly a bit of fun for me, and a bit of propaganda t boost in-game fortune is about the height of it imo. It's easy to ignore; when I'm busy I'll just not bother with this forum at all (although it is nice to have when you're bored out of your mind :P)
The gist of things can be garnered from many places, including internal forums, TS, word of mouth, mails, etc etc.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 13/11/2006 17:24:26
Hi,
These forums are a hell of alot better then they used to be, the newbie corp alt ban has helped no end to reduce the mindless "your a ****" type comments coming from people with bags over their heads.
Hell from a outsider point of view id say the recent threads by Bob and co have been pretty good.
Yes it is propoganda but its propoganda based in hard fact alot of the time. It just needs to be countered with more propoganda based in hard fact, not whined about.
Id also say the bobbits play hard on these forums but thats just their style. And even that of late has been tided up (i presume with some internal orders about excessive forum use).
Hell i even agree with something DBP and Nez posted in this thread.
Never thought id see the day for that tbh..
As ever wars are always better fought in game. But this does make great "in work" reading. I'd petition for no further changes to the forum rules to keep it that way.
Best Regards,
Taur
edit - and no just because im in a 1 person corp doesnt make me an alt. CV available on request.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative :
My Little Pony Forums
give me few days and that forum will burn
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tzrailasa on 13/11/2006 18:10:00
Personally, I just love reading this forum. EVE would be a much less attractive place for alliance warfare if it wasn't for these forums livening things up a bit.
Since this forum is essentially the only way of communicating with/to the enemy, a lot of people have a lot of fun doing so. As others have said before, if you're not one of them, DON'T READ IT!
If we didn't have this forum, how would 0.0 warfare look? It'd be very dull. There'd be no interaction between the sides in any conflict, just a few red boxes on the screen and the continual activation of weapons and modules. That'd take a LOT of fun out of the game for a lot of people.
To be blunt though, I read a lot of the replies to this thread as: 'I don't like it when someone posts the truth when it goes against me!'. All those posts needs a healthy amount of cheese.
Mixing in RL stuff however, is not in any form or shape acceptable IMHO (CYVOK's basement comment for example springs to mind), but for ingame stuff ('hah, we pwn'd you', 'this happened in AB-XYZ', 'we declare this, that or the other thing' etc.), I don't see many limits (except of.c. those set by the mods). If this wasn't available, I see a lot of fun going out of the game.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:08:00 -
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So what you're saying is that you want forum PvP to be consentual only.
Wait, it already is !!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 18:13:15
Originally by: Nez Perces
Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts.
...
Originally by: Gungankllr
Nez, the main problem with this argument, is that you and I both know where it would lead if say, I started hitting the forums in the same manner as BoB.
BoB play hardball on the forums, everybody knows that and they have a willing body of competent posters to bolster any message they are trying to put across. You can't outpost BoB with volume, they are light years ahead of you and have been playing the forums for years. But you could outpost or match BoB on the quality front.... but you won't because you don't value the forums in the first place.
Originally by: Gungankllr
Every thread would devolve into a poster case for asshattery, things would be forty times worse than they are now.
People on both sides whom most of the time are able to behave in a civilized manner would end up eating a big bowl of stupid before hitting the enter key.
These forums, while entertaining to some, would be completely lost for smaller corps and alliances.
You are wrong on all counts GK... the only people that eat a "big bowl" of stupid before hitting the enter key are those that either do not value the forums for what they are or have lost connection with the fact that they are playing a computer game and that they are not their characters.
Originally by: Gungankillr
For instance, see this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425025
A new CEO trying to find his way in the Eve universe, gets a grand total of 4 responses before his post is knocked to page 2.5 by the 300 different ASCN vs. BoB posts.
I see 4 polite responses to that thread... nothing wrong going on there.
Originally by: Gungankillr
I don't claim to be the saviour of the forums, I'm not as intelligent, charming, rich or important as 95% of people on these forums.
The only difference is I see utterly zero point in degrading people and what they have accomplished.
Wether what people have accomplished is worthy or not is completely subjective... one could easily argue that ASCN have accomplished little more than build castles in the sand... without a competent military to back it up.
Originally by: Gunkankillr
We don't need to make every post in here about BoB vs. ASCN, and we don't need to make every post we enter bitter and full of venom.
If that's what makes you happy in life, then go forth with your torches and pitchforks.
Those of us in the castle will still be here when you're done talking.
BoB vs ASCN will define a generation of EVE players.. infact its probably the biggest clash of playstyles since the CFS wars. The winner of this war will be able to brandish their playstyle as the gold standard in EVE.
This war is so important.. I am not surprised for a second that there is at least 2 ASCN vs BoB theads running per day.
ASCN's approach to the forums is schizophrenic.. on the one side you encourage pilots not to post and ignore the forums, and on the other you feign offense at the "lies and propaganda" printed here. All the time posting in similar amounts to BoB only without any direction or unified message.
Either ASCN ignores the forums completely like FA used to do.. which failed btw .. or you have to tackle the forums head on and find a unified voice and a worthwhile message to communicate.
Atm ASCN is doing neither one nor the other and you are paying the price as your reputation around EVE plummets with every day that goes by.
However, it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to find a unified voice and stand up to BoB here on these forums.. but first you have to realise their true value in war.
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Shizuko
Caldari
E X O D U S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:55:00 -
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These forums are funny, the fighting is funny. Its great to read. 2 Sides that are completely engrossed in a game going head to head!
Ding ding ding.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:09:00 -
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These forums are what makes eve great. Without these forums how would I know of any major events like BOB tanking a bunch of ASCN station and than I get to hear the propaganda, which my favorite part.
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Joram McRory
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Joram McRory on 13/11/2006 21:39:35
Generally these forums amuse me. But sometimes they just go too far imo.
There was a thing in the UK the otherday about football referees sending people off for foul and offensive language. One ref came on the radio and explained the way he works it. He said if the player said:
"that was a f*cking bad call ref."
He would not send him off. But if he said:
"You f*cking idiot that was never....."
Then he would send the guy off. The difference is that the second is personal and directed right at the ref.
For me when posts here become personal then the poster should be banned. Recent examples from the current ascn war would be:
"You are wasters who don't have jobs and live in the basement..."
"You are a liar"
Things like:
"ASCN fought particularly badly last night (even for them)"
"OMG why is it the node never dies when thwere is a GM in system"
etc. are ok in my book - good clean propoganda. They are observations with a spin rather than direct personal attacks.
Joram
My Photography site |
Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:49:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Herculite
Edited by: Herculite on 13/11/2006 16:48:33
Just think how these forums could be.....
BoB - Hey we are kinda bored and have all these ships, we are going to attack Paragon Soul.
ASCN - Hey thats cool, did you see our Titan?
BoB - Yea we did, nice job.
ASCN - Thanks.
ASCN - Boy you really did a number on us, we sure lost a lot of ships, you guys fight better than us.
BoB - Gee thanks, good fight
ASCN - Wow we took a Xelas station, but you weren't expecting that.
BoB - Yea it really surprised us you would attack Xelas. Nice job.
ASCN - Thanks.
BoB - Did you see our Titan?
ASCN - Yea nice, maybe you will see ours soon.
BoB - Ok cool, you guys holding up ok? Should we give you time to regroup? Well let you move to empire if you like, well not all of you, but most.
ASCN - Nah, its ok, we are learning, we'll let you know if we need more time.
BoB - Ok cool.
I almost peed myself laughing.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:46:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Herculite
Edited by: Herculite on 13/11/2006 16:48:33
Just think how these forums could be.....
BoB - Hey we are kinda bored and have all these ships, we are going to attack Paragon Soul.
ASCN - Hey thats cool, did you see our Titan?
BoB - Yea we did, nice job.
ASCN - Thanks.
ASCN - Boy you really did a number on us, we sure lost a lot of ships, you guys fight better than us.
BoB - Gee thanks, good fight
ASCN - Wow we took a Xelas station, but you weren't expecting that.
BoB - Yea it really surprised us you would attack Xelas. Nice job.
ASCN - Thanks.
BoB - Did you see our Titan?
ASCN - Yea nice, maybe you will see ours soon.
BoB - Ok cool, you guys holding up ok? Should we give you time to regroup? Well let you move to empire if you like, well not all of you, but most.
ASCN - Nah, its ok, we are learning, we'll let you know if we need more time.
BoB - Ok cool.
Now thats a laugh I needed after a bad day.
If only that was true than no ones feelings would ever be hurt because of some forum on the internet.
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00tricky
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:50:00 -
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The problem people have with these forums is not the forums or their content, it is with self control.
The regulars don't read and post because they are wanting to look at posts filled with love and kittens. Have you seen the posts from 8 weeks ago? People were all but slitting their wrists because of the lack of drama here.
You either hate it, and deal, or you don't look. Simple as that. Judging from your response from the mods, they agree. So unless you are trolling or flaming:
Enjoy saying that you shouldn't read these forums, then read anyway.
Have fun saying you never post, then post anyway.
This is the Enquirer/Sun section.
hf, the forums are an extention of the game, read back, they always have been... get used to it.
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Elaron
Minmatar
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: jeNK
So in essence, you are calling it a legitimate war tactic, to just make people not want to play at all?
KIAEddz has it almost exactly right. The forum tactics are to encourage two things:
1) Target organisation to hemorrhage players.
2) "Hardcore" players belonging to the target to get discouraged, reduce playtime and activity, start playing alts more, etc.
In this kind of conflict the surest and fastest way to a victory is to discourage, belittle and demoralise. Instill a sense of futility and doubt. And, yes, make the game not fun. It's not nice, but then truth rarely is.
Elaron
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Aaron Static
Deep Space Consortium
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:52:00 -
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I find the forums entertaining..
although, I have never been a target of BoB's forum warriors...
yet
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:10:00 -
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/me wonders what a BoB vs. ASCN post would be without ASCN responding at all... or BoB for that matter. As disciplined and small as the MC is, I know that we can't pull it off (passionate as people get) but I think this whole conflict would be radically different to those not directly involved.
Something tells me it'd be rather boring. Think about it.
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:39:00 -
[90]
Originally by: 00tricky
The problem people have with these forums is not the forums or their content, it is with self control.
The regulars don't read and post because they are wanting to look at posts filled with love and kittens. Have you seen the posts from 8 weeks ago? People were all but slitting their wrists because of the lack of drama here.
You either hate it, and deal, or you don't look. Simple as that. Judging from your response from the mods, they agree. So unless you are trolling or flaming:
Enjoy saying that you shouldn't read these forums, then read anyway.
Have fun saying you never post, then post anyway.
This is the Enquirer/Sun section.
hf, the forums are an extention of the game, read back, they always have been... get used to it.
Do a search on my username, then you'll see I very rarely post.
The Drama is good, the smack is bad. When will people notice that's what I am talking about?
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Qual
Gallente
EMO Erotic Holoreel Studios
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:55:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Latex Mistress
/me wonders what a BoB vs. ASCN post would be without ASCN responding at all... or BoB for that matter. As disciplined and small as the MC is, I know that we can't pull it off (passionate as people get) but I think this whole conflict would be radically different to those not directly involved.
Something tells me it'd be rather boring. Think about it.
Well Fountain Alliance had a strict No Post policy on the boards. (I was FA when BoB slaughtered them.) The general perception of FA did not improve from it. Far from. BoB repeated its message so many times that in the end people just took it as fact.
The message then was that Xanadu and BIG was just using the the smaller alliance members as cannon fodder and didnt do any fighting themselfs. (Your basic "create internal conflict" and "make them look bad" type of propaganda.)
And its not like ASCN HC havent learnt the idea. CYVOK will keep saying BoB cheat, again and again until people belive him, regardless the lack of any kind of evidence to the claim. Its how advertising works too: Repeat the message until people disregard common sense and just buy into whatever you tell them the truth is.
But! But! Ain't I admiting that BoB uses propaganda without basis in fact too?
Sure we do.
But! But! Then people will never ever trust anything BoB says again!
You wish. I wish. Again, propaganda works just like advertising: Its not like we dont know they are filling us with ****, but eventually, when repeated enough without and equal ammount of counter arguments, you start to buy into the message regardless of you own will.
 The way to win a war in EVE is to get the general population to belive you won.
(Just to be clear: Im not saying that every BoB, ASCN, what-ever-alliance post is propaganda. Im just saying that we all use it. Usually its pretty easy to spot too. Im just looking into WHY its used so much.)
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.14 10:01:00 -
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i think all the crap and lies on the forums is great.. it makes u want to blow up your enemy even, it puts fire in ur belly to actually log on and do stuff.
nothing better than when a dude comes on the forum and talks big and u wipe his fleet out in 5mins.. class.
d solo.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.14 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: Sku1ly
Edited by: Sku1ly on 13/11/2006 13:52:11
Originally by: DB Preacher
If peeps don't like COAD then click the little button on the top right hand corner that has a big X on it.
What if you're reading the forums on a Mac?
Then you click the x on the lefthand side
or
If you're smart and use a good brower than you just close the tab, dbp is scottish thus 10 years behind everyone else thus he's still using netscape naviagator
hoy, im offended by that, us scots are at least 15 years behind.
d solo.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 10:25:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Qual
Well Fountain Alliance had a strict No Post policy on the boards. (I was FA when BoB slaughtered them.) The general perception of FA did not improve from it. Far from. BoB repeated its message so many times that in the end people just took it as fact.
But it was a fact. You said so yourself: "BoB slaughtered them." People probably took it as a fact because it was objectively obvious more than because BoB repeated it so much (at least I hope so). Also, as I recall, FA had a respectable alt brigade to state their case (as well they should have - being so draconian at the alliance level is silly).
Originally by: Qual
And its not like ASCN HC havent learnt the idea. CYVOK will keep saying BoB cheat, again and again until people belive him, regardless the lack of any kind of evidence to the claim. Its how advertising works too: Repeat the message until people disregard common sense and just buy into whatever you tell them the truth is.
Agreed. However, killboards, personal relationships with those involved, and (gasp) alt characters help the thinking people see past the smoke and mirrors. Those that form their opinions exclusively from the EvE-O forums are a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I think we agree that the forums are useless without the vigorous exchange of ideas (heated as they may be). If BoB rolled through ASCN and ASCN said nothing about it (much in the form of FA) these boards would be boring. Now that I think of it though I do suspect if BoB rolled through ASCN without saying a word (leaving ASCN to hemorrhage without so much as a response from their murderers) the result may be boring to some but to me it'd be absolutely beautiful (much in the same form as BDCI when we first started).
There's something darkly romantic about killing an alliance quietly and leaving the community to speculate about it publicly.
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Lakedaimon
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 10:49:00 -
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Quote:
I like the idea of a section for alliance poster's only, maybe the thread's can be replied to by the relevant warring parties or something. No more dumb trolling by people who it doesn't involve, o the joy.
I'm not sure that would actually work out well. Consider the current conflict for example. Let's say in random BoB vs ASCN thread #53248 ASCN claims that MC are BoB alts. Since MC is not a part of this war, they are not a warring party and cannot reply to this accusation. Similarly, if a BoB poster makes a claim that involves ASCN and a third party, said third party would be unable to respond.
In addition to that, some of the comments from "outsiders", if you will, tend to be interesting. Their take on the current topic of the thread (let's stick with the BoB vs ASCN example), while not "neutral", may be more objective than that of those who are directly involved.
However I do agree that alt posts of any form should be banned, which includes the aforementioned people in one-man corps.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.11.14 11:50:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Lakedaimon
Quote:
I like the idea of a section for alliance poster's only, maybe the thread's can be replied to by the relevant warring parties or something. No more dumb trolling by people who it doesn't involve, o the joy.
I'm not sure that would actually work out well. Consider the current conflict for example. Let's say in random BoB vs ASCN thread #53248 ASCN claims that MC are BoB alts. Since MC is not a part of this war, they are not a warring party and cannot reply to this accusation. Similarly, if a BoB poster makes a claim that involves ASCN and a third party, said third party would be unable to respond.
In addition to that, some of the comments from "outsiders", if you will, tend to be interesting. Their take on the current topic of the thread (let's stick with the BoB vs ASCN example), while not "neutral", may be more objective than that of those who are directly involved.
However I do agree that alt posts of any form should be banned, which includes the aforementioned people in one-man corps.
Hi,
But then you get onto the issue of defining an "outsider".
As i mentioned earlier, I am not an alt. I am in a one man corp.
My interest as an outsider is one of liking the politics side of things and being interested yes but if you look a bit deeper and look into who i am then you find a bit more vested interest.
I was a director in Kiroshi, who merged into Setenta, I was there when we discovered and captured the first stations in Paragon, GQ2, MP5, H8. I spent almost 6 months running logistics out there for Setenta before moving to work for the Stain Alliance as their first and only full time civil servant & advisor to the Emperor Trigger.
Setenta and Tribes long after i left them got kicked out of Paragon by ASCN so i guess that makes me anti ASCN.... (a big chunk of STC friends are now in Evol too).
But to the same respects my friends in the old and new incarnations of Stain had many a war with Bob and FIX so ive often spoken in support of their enemies (sometimes objectively, sometimes with a little more bias tbh).
So i'd say i have feelings, interests and opinions on both sides. Thereby as an outsider with historical ties id be loathed if my right to post and reply in free speech was removed.
The outsider is the football pundit of this forum area. Sometimes we can speak utter balls, other times we can gift the conversation with a new fresh peice of impartial information and perspective.
Without it this forum would just stagnate in the cesspit of endless propoganda and counter propoganda.
Best Regards,
Taur
p.s All you Bobbits around MP5 make sure to visit the brown moon just behind the station. The ThUnDeRdOmE!! awaits.
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:09:00 -
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jeNK, I understand your issues with the forums but I disagree. To me, without the politics and forum posting, this game would be very dull indeed. I think just about everyone can agree on that. To me, the forums tell me who's at war, who's at peice, who's bull****ting, who's the real deal.
Name one other game in the whole world where the politics matter? Or the forums? I rarely if ever posted on any forums related to any game out there because of one simple fact: nothing worth talking about.
But you seem a little too sensitive to the mud flying around. Myself, I am too hardened against anything to let it effect my gameplay in any way. Someone smacks me in local because they just blew up my ship? Big deal, I will just come back later on with lesson learned and hopefully the guys corpse in my cargo bay as I am heading back to the outpost.
Just my 2 isk's worth.
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Morning Maniac
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Morning Maniac on 14/11/2006 12:32:27
TBH the reason I don't go to things like the Fanfest is that I read these forums. So I suppose I need to thank the rude people for saving me some rl ISK
The reason I do read them is that I want to keep up to speed with what is going on. If there was some sort of daily news report from an objective source I wouldn't bother going to this section of the forums, unless Kelduum would post something interesting. I once did suggest in my corp chat to start a news agency and fraps some stuff and make a daily/weekly/whateverly news report but my corp buddies felt that we would get blown up trying.
Anyway, some people who write informative and level headed posts have my respect. Since I read the names on the post first I know which ones I can skip.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:43:00 -
[99]
Victory always goes to those with the most will to win, whether they win materially or not is irrelevant.
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Lakedaimon
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:59:00 -
[100]
Quote:
So i'd say i have feelings, interests and opinions on both sides. Thereby as an outsider with historical ties id be loathed if my right to post and reply in free speech was removed.
Fair enough, and you will notice that I do support the idea of having "outsiders", i.e. people who are not immediately involved in the conflict, post their thoughts and observations.
However you have to admit that it is difficult to tell whether someone just happens to be in a one man corp like yourself or if said someone is an alt used to smack some more.
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:19:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Lakedaimon
However you have to admit that it is difficult to tell whether someone just happens to be in a one man corp like yourself or if said someone is an alt used to smack some more.
A corp history like they have on Eve-Search would be a great start.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:40:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Lakedaimon
However you have to admit that it is difficult to tell whether someone just happens to be in a one man corp like yourself or if said someone is an alt used to smack some more.
Well thats the key isnt it, posting with your main.
The problem is, how do you tell a main from an alt. It has nothing to do with how many people are in a corp.
I for example have only one account... and Nez Perces is the only character I have ever played with, spanning 3 years and a fairly comprehensive CV.
I could,however, have 2 accounts... one I use for posting stuff on the forums and one that doesn't. Would I posting with an alt then? Which one would be my main?
Then there is the case of genuine new players that start their own corps and wanna post on the forums with their new main.. and should have every right to.
Already ISD has eliminated the alts with no corporate affiliation or those that were blatantly created just to smack the forums. Thats about as much as they can do. At the end of the day its down to ISD to decide whats acceptable and what is not.
But we have to play our part too.... forum readers need to understand the true nature of the forums.. and this means taking them only as seriously as they need to be taken.
And if readers can't manage that, they should just stay away from the forums altogether.
Either you participate on the forums as they are.. or you don't... there is no middle ground.. you cannot peak at the forums through clasped hands and then get all bent out of shape when you see things you don't agree with. Thats called hypocrisy.
The forums are just fine and dandy the way they are, now that blatant alt posting is more or less a thing of the past. The people still complaining don't actually like forums in general....and the free exchange of ideas that happens on them.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:20:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Shardrael on 14/11/2006 16:21:14
Originally by: Nez Perces
K .. I'm calling you out.. show me where on this thread did I 'smack'?
You won't find any post here that had me smacking anybody.. what you will find is posts that YOU didn't read properly.
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Originally by: Nez Perces
you know what your OP was useless drivel.. how about that...
yes you could say I misread your post, as could you say to anyone reading anything you type, its your eternal shifting defense in anything you type. regardless of that you do the exact same thing to everyone else in an attempt to give them a righteous forumpwning. If you wanna be involved in this conflict come fly with or against one of us....
ohh and lets see where were all the logical argument falacies I commited; I did not fully quote nor fully respond to anything you wrote(something you are constantly guilty of), I took what you wrote out of context to prove a point I wanted to get across(something you are constantly guilty of), I painted a picture for all those without an in depth knowledge of the subject based on oversimplified and mistaken points of view(something you are constantly guilty of) etc. etc. etc.
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 13:12:47
Here we go again......
first of all... If You Don't like the content of this section of the forums... DON'T READ IT.
These boards are very well moderated and recieve a lot of attention from ISD.
The CAOD board is a window into the soul of EVE, take away the political excitment that comes from announcements from the big alliances, propaganda or not and you will be ripping the heart out of EVE.
If you don't understand why CAOD and its content is so important.. then 0.0 life and EVE is simply not your game..... at all.
When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative :
My Little Pony Forums
point 1.) if you dont like the forum content then dont read it
that is like saying if there is something we want to be involed in but dont like the current situation to not get involved, and that is horribly wrong, if you want to do something but are displeased with some aspect of it, then it is your responsibilty to try and fix that(yes people may resist and not give in but it is your responsibility to try regardless)
point 2.)forum moderation,
I would disagree here aswell, not in ISD's effort at maintaing control of this board but in the fact that there are so many loopholes around the rules in this board that moderation according to the rules is a mute point.
point 3.)"yay we love this board dont take it away"
if you would read the OP, he never states explicitly or implies that he wants this board gone, he is merely stating that he is upset with the current state it finds itself in, so I would gander an assumption(bear with me)that he is not actually fed up with the "political announcements" as you put it but with the "dribble" as you put it that rises to the surface during the discussions found herein
point 4.) mildly disguised swing at the op's intelligence
needs no rebuttal as this is a disguised hit at someones perception or level of intelligence(regardless of what your intention may have been.
point 5.) mildly humorous reference to a more suitable area of discussion for said stupid or non perceptive people
again even though this was meant more of a joke it is regardless a reference designed to make someone look like a "wussy" etc. for there not liking the crap on this board.
you can make alot of ruccus on here about whatever you want, all the op was trying to say is its not neccesary, if you want to debate that then tell him why it is neccesary(the verbal diareha that is not the anouncements)
because we choose not to post does not mean we are not able.
appologies ascn for posting on these boards
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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DarK
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:44:00 -
[104]
This forum really makes my blood boil, which is why I find it so amusing.
It basically the same as a soccer match in that if a player from team A fouls a player from team B, the supports of the team A will claim that it wasn't a foul and will scream at the referee. The supporters of team B will righteously claim that it was indeed a foul.
Then next match the previous team B will do what team A did to them, but to another team. The supporters will react the same way as team A did previously.
The point is that what is acceptable gameplay/tactics usually depends on the situation at hand, and that most people are a hypocrites in denial. I personally find the propaganda on this forum annoying, because I'm not the one doing it.
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Lakedaimon
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:58:00 -
[105]
Quote:
A corp history like they have on Eve-Search would be a great start.
TBH, it's surprising CCP don't put more effort into the web side of things.
Heh, thanks, I did not know that. Yeah, something like that would help quite a bit.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:05:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 14/11/2006 19:06:03
@ Shardrael, I would respond to your post but you made a pig's ear out of the quotes and its hard to make sense of it...
if you can edit it to be more legible I will be happy to keep playing.
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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.11.14 22:44:00 -
[107]
As a carebear empire corp member alliance warfare is beyond my gaming experience at the moment, but that being said this section does offer some interesting readings for me while I'm at work.
As they say the hearts and minds of men are won through propaganda and it seems some are better than others. I'd love to be one day involved in that type of smack talk propaganda, I've missed those days from IRC/MSN chat days. Variety is the spice of life.
Though I would hate it if I was bared from any option to voice my opinion or comment due to a non-alliance block.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.15 03:03:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 14/11/2006 19:06:03
@ Shardrael, I would respond to your post but you made a pig's ear out of the quotes and its hard to make sense of it...
if you can edit it to be more legible I will be happy to keep playing.
sorry about that fixed it more now
had to remove last line but it said "just because we dont post in a forum war does not mean we are not capable"
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 03:12:00 -
[109]
forum whoring and verbal sparing are one of the things that make MMOGs fun.
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<3 conspiracy theories. Originally by: Omeega
We (aAa) could do this - did this?
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.15 03:30:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Xrak
You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope).
A Clockwork Orange...
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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KSUDruid
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.15 03:40:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A Clockwork Orange...
I'm singing in the Rain! <PUNCH KICK WHACK!> I'm Singing in the Rain!
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Darodem
Minmatar
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2006.11.15 04:17:00 -
[112]
This is only to be expected.
I can't get over how often this forum situation has been repeated.
Endless, Curse, The Five, Bob ad nauseum.
Some exceptional group or not depending on how you look at it - they come forward claiming some form of superiority. The hallmarks of their forum activity are overwhelming numbers of moblike responses and a basic "abuse of the commons."
This abuse of the commons is expected, we should be enthusiastic because it has both a beginning and an end.
The thing of it is - it starts up again soon. I think this is what Jenk is getting at. I wonder if it is mostly the same people playing the same roles in this drama of forum spammage. I know I tend to stay in the same role and that gives me a hint - its time be a little more introspective.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:53:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 15/11/2006 19:00:29
Originally by: Nez Perces
you know what your OP was useless drivel.. how about that...
Originally by: Shardrael
yes you could say I misread your post, as could you say to anyone reading anything you type, its your eternal shifting defense in anything you type.
Actually you didn't misread my post .... it *was* intended as mild smack.. BUT... only to point out the smack by the OP that preceeded it... you missed that didn't you..tsk...tsk......and here it is...
Originally by: Nez Perces
......the little pony post...
Originally by: jeNK
*yawn*
and exact example of the useless drivel that barely scrapes under the radar of the mods.
So who was 'smacking' who?.. if you can call that smack.. was it I or was it jeNK? jeNK figured my initial pony post was 'smack' aimed at him, so he 'smacked' me back, then I 'smacked' him to show him that he was infact 'smacking' me first.... 
If you understood that, you need help..... moving on...
I'll skip your point by point disection as we would basically end up going round in circles.. we obviously have differing opinions of what is drivel and what isn't.... again thats a job for ISD not you or I.
Originally by: Shardrael
you can make alot of ruccus on here about whatever you want, all the op was trying to say is its not neccesary, if you want to debate that then tell him
I'll try to explain why the "verbal diarrhoea" as you put it .. actually fulfills a vital role in warfare and the more agressive discussions on these forums....
On these forums, very often accusations are thrown at in-game opponents or at posters with diametrically opposed views.... the accusations may include anything from hypocrisy to blatant dismenation of untruths or even in-game cheating.
Once an accusation is brought forward.... something very odd happens... the readership unconsciously becomes the jury and the 'trial by forum' phenomenum arises.
If the defendant does not respond or provides answers with no substance.... he will probably be viewed as guilty by the readers...this happens wether we like it or not.. it just happens.
This happens in pretty much every thread of any interest (including this one). The most interesting threads are actually the ones where the highest profile personalities or entities throw accusations at eachother... it makes for compulsive viewing and also provides an additional arena where in-game combatants can win the "hearts and minds" campaign that accompanies any conflict.
The forums as they are play a vital role in providing additional immersion into the roles that our characters play in-game, they bring the community together by providing compulsive reading....and as was stated by the OP even those that don't like the forums much can't help but take an interest in what happens here.
I rest my case..
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jeNK
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.16 09:19:00 -
[114]
Do you ever stop lying Nez? I smacked you first?
The "My Little Pony" forums was just an innocent suggestion.. do you want to pull the other one this time? It has bells on it!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.11.16 13:30:00 -
[115]
Originally by: jeNK
Do you ever stop lying Nez? I smacked you first?
....OMG .. now you are calling me a liar....
see you in court buddy.... my Jita lawyers will have a field day !!!
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Petwraith
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.16 15:00:00 -
[116]
Op post was Non-constructive, Ranting and contained at least one Troll/Flame. For these reasons I have sent the lockzor buddy below to work his magic.
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