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jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:17:00 - [1] Please ignore my Alliance and Corp tags, if you possibly can. __ Is anyone else totally bored of this verbal diarrhea, from just about anyone who is involved in some form of conflict or dispute? Some people either need to cheer up, or go buy a pack of razor blades. It's a game.. how anyone can get so worked up, and try to insult others so much, over a game is just laughable. One thing is for certain, all this "exchanging of comments" is making the game just plain unpleasant for some. If that's what you guys want to do to the game, i.e. kill it, then please go ahead.. you are doing a grand job of adding to the list of "reasons to quit EVE" And if anyone asks.. the reason for me posting this is my disatisfaction in a response from the mods about the attitudes of many posts, including many from my own alliance. Oh and I try not to read these forums, but it's impossible to play this game and escape them, cross-posts to internal forums etc. make it so. So there's no need to post that suggestion. "IBTL", "Can I have you stuff?" or other equally unfunny comments below, please.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:33:00 - [2] I am quite sure that there are as many people who would find losing this forum and it's antics a reason for leaving Eve as there are those who find the existence of this forum offends their sensibilities. I can't understand why people have a problem with this forum at all to be honest, it's the eye of the maelstrom of player driven content in Eve, the crucible of all that is good in terms of Eve roleplay in it's broadest sense (roleplay in the sense that we all play a game and are playing our characters, even if we don't all get into the same level of roleplay as the Minmatar and Amarr conflict dudes do or the Gallente holo**** actresses or whatever lurks the so called roleplay forums). You need to work on your perspective if this forum upsets you. Blog
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:33:00 - [3] You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope).
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:33:00 - [4] Originally by: jeNK Please ignore my Alliance and Corp tags, if you possibly can. __ Is anyone else totally bored of this verbal diarrhea, from just about anyone who is involved in some form of conflict or dispute? Some people either need to cheer up, or go buy a pack of razor blades. It's a game.. how anyone can get so worked up, and try to insult others so much, over a game is just laughable. One thing is for certain, all this "exchanging of comments" is making the game just plain unpleasant for some. If that's what you guys want to do to the game, i.e. kill it, then please go ahead.. you are doing a grand job of adding to the list of "reasons to quit EVE" And if anyone asks.. the reason for me posting this is my disatisfaction in a response from the mods about the attitudes of many posts, including many from my own alliance. Oh and I try not to read these forums, but it's impossible to play this game and escape them, cross-posts to internal forums etc. make it so. So there's no need to post that suggestion. "IBTL", "Can I have you stuff?" or other equally unfunny comments below, please. It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory. It does suck but apparently it gets results .
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:34:00 - [5] It's a shame you feel like that. I personally enjoy the politic's of any given crisis or war, add's deph and passion. Insult's get thrown back and forth, battle's rage and excuses are made. If everyone just got along, it would lead to a very dull experience imo Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:36:00 - [6] I agree with the OP. Too much mud is being thrown around here. At first it was fun and entertaining, but as time passes by I have lost respect for many a well known player. both in BoB and ASCN. Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Blacklight I am quite sure that there are as many people who would find losing this forum and it's antics a reason for leaving Eve as there are those who find the existence of this forum offends their sensibilities. I can't understand why people have a problem with this forum at all to be honest, it's the eye of the maelstrom of player driven content in Eve, the crucible of all that is good in terms of Eve roleplay in it's broadest sense (roleplay in the sense that we all play a game and are playing our characters, even if we don't all get into the same level of roleplay as the Minmatar and Amarr conflict dudes do or the Gallente holo** actresses or whatever lurks the so called roleplay forums). You need to work on your perspective if this forum upsets you. You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names. You, as a well know PvP'er and respected for that - have fallen pray for the urge to do just that. Thats what some of us are tired of reading. At least give us some REAL roleplay then. Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager** Blessed Souls
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:39:00 - [8] Originally by: King Fury It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory. It does suck but apparently it gets results . That's the other amusing thing about this forum at the moment. ok so we use extensive forum propaganda and are as bad or good, depending on your perspective, as anyone else doing it in Eve at the moment. However, this isn't "modern" as in new within Eve. All those people in game who have been around the block for a couple of years with an interest in alliance politics/conflict have seen all this before relating to wars in Eve since 2003. The CA related spam and hate and frothing on the forums was intense at times, the forum war surrounding the GNW was equally as intense and many other smaller conflicts have had similar. This isn't new, it's just that some of you haven't seen it conducted at this level before. Personally I think it's a) great and adds spice to the game and b) that this forum is EXACTLY the right place for it. What are we going to read about in here that sparks interest and entertains the community if not a bit of lively verbal headbutting between protagonists? The old but simple maxim of "if you're not interested don't read it" may be a bit of a tired old cliche on these boards but it is 100% true none the less. Blog
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Xrak You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope). No, it leaks into everything.. on TS, in-game channels etc. etc. It's not so much the actual content.. but things like "Did you hear what XYZ posted?" and so on that is unavoidable. Originally by: King Fury It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory. It does suck but apparently it gets results . Please don't try to turn this into an anti-BoB (or anti-anyone for that matter) as that is not what this is about. Nearly all alliances have people posting hate fuelled responses. Blacklight - is it really just me that needs to change my perspective? You mention roleplay, and I do agree to that, this is of course a role palying game, but comments, that embarassingly my own alliance have posted, like "living in the basement of their parents house".. that's not exactly roleplay now, is it? It is these 'extreme' posts that are making life in eve in general unpleasant. More so the reluctance of the mods (and GM's in game) to respond to such insults.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 13/11/2006 12:47:23 Me thinks you take what is written here a bit overly serious. If I insult someone here, it is as part of the gameplay that I do so. As part of me being in BoB which is the current enemy of your alliance and is indeed using multiple methods of achieving domination over you. Propaganda can be a very lovely tool of war too. You just have to like it. I happen to like it as much as I do the shooting bits with the spaceships. Sometimes things get a little worked up yes, and that's a shame. But mostly that's due to people lacking the skills and taste for it to actually play in this part of the arena. Look at it as an in-character activity. Even although these forums are out of character, as are alot of the topics discussed here, the feuds and wars that are played out here are very much in character. edit: and if you would carefully read most of the posts posted by most of the more active posters in this forum you'll notice a lack of insults or protestations containing direct references to RL situations and/or characteristics. If I insult for example your HC's wartime leadership abilities, I'm insulting exactly that, and not their RL morality or abilities. Of course, people tend to take these remarks and drag them into the sphere of RL insults, as indicated by the example you've given yourself. But does that mean that I need to post less of my insults ? Or does it means that people need to learn that this part of the game is as much "ingame" as any other, and should be kept that way ? Old blog
Crux Australis Reikoku	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:42:00 - [11] I have a simple rule about forums and their content: if you don't like it, if you think that the content of a post might offend or just simply annoy you, then don't read it. I seldomly post on these forums, but I like to read them for entertaining reason and to keep up to date with what is happening in game. Would I change them in any way? No. Imho they add spice to what happens in game: the game and the forums are complementary. This said, if you don't like someone's posts, just skip them. If you are annoyed by a certain kind of post, 99% of the time the first lines of the OP (or the title of the OP itself) will tell you the contents: you can choose to avoid said post. I like to read this forum, it contains sensible stuff, humour, trolling, tinfoilhattery and asshattery mixed up in a very entertaining formula. I enjoyed this forum when I was new to the game, when I wasn't in bob and now that I am in bob. Does the ticker on my avatar change the way in which I read/post on this forum? No. Imho all of this has to be viewed (again) in an entertaining contest. It is like a soap opera with 1000s of actors. You don't get worked up with fictional stuff that happens in a tv show, right? And if you do, you just change channel, right? Just my 0,02 ISK.
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: King Fury It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory. It does suck but apparently it gets results . That's the other amusing thing about this forum at the moment. ok so we use extensive forum propaganda and are as bad or good, depending on your perspective, as anyone else doing it in Eve at the moment. However, this isn't "modern" as in new within Eve. All those people in game who have been around the block for a couple of years with an interest in alliance politics/conflict have seen all this before relating to wars in Eve since 2003. The CA related spam and hate and frothing on the forums was intense at times, the forum war surrounding the GNW was equally as intense and many other smaller conflicts have had similar. This isn't new, it's just that some of you haven't seen it conducted at this level before. Personally I think it's a) great and adds spice to the game and b) that this forum is EXACTLY the right place for it. What are we going to read about in here that sparks interest and entertains the community if not a bit of lively verbal headbutting between protagonists? The old but simple maxim of "if you're not interested don't read it" may be a bit of a tired old cliche on these boards but it is 100% true none the less. Ah KK thanks for the history lesson, you guys just use it to its full potential. But I think you do take it too far by slating ASCN's leadership, various posts on individuals, McCreedy,etc, sometime go a little too far. When at the end of the day he is giving you a fight, which Im sure is all you want?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Lorn Yeager You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names. You, as a well know PvP'er and respected for that - have fallen pray for the urge to do just that. Thats what some of us are tired of reading. At least give us some REAL roleplay then. That is probably to a large degree because you are not involved and therefore the forum war doesn't directly affect you. I can see how that would be much less interesting and how undoubtedly a lot of the hidden messages and nuances in the posts would go over your head, leaving what apparently is just two groups of people attempting to belittle each other. There is a lot more going on in much of this forum war than you perhaps give credit and probably 90% of the things written by BoB regarding ASCN are not directed at anyone other than ASCN. Whether people realise it or not I am firmly of the opinion that Eve would be a much duller place without the forum antics that accompany a major war and that propaganda has a very important place within alliance warfare (particularly when it is based on facts that are unpleasant to read and accept about your alliance). Blog
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:48:00 - [14] Originally by: jeNK Originally by: Xrak You can easily avoid reading these forums. Nobody is holding you at gun point whilst using a machine to keep your eyes open and making you read anything posted here, or cross posted (I hope). No, it leaks into everything.. on TS, in-game channels etc. etc. It's not so much the actual content.. but things like "Did you hear what XYZ posted?" and so on that is unavoidable. Originally by: King Fury It seems to be part of "modern warfare" If BoB decide to attack you, they will do it on all fronts including the forums. They will continue relentlessly to demoralise the enemey and feed propaganda until they claim victory. It does suck but apparently it gets results . Please don't try to turn this into an anti-BoB (or anti-anyone for that matter) as that is not what this is about. Nearly all alliances have people posting hate fuelled responses. Blacklight - is it really just me that needs to change my perspective? You mention roleplay, and I do agree to that, this is of course a role palying game, but comments, that embarassingly my own alliance have posted, like "living in the basement of their parents house".. that's not exactly roleplay now, is it? It is these 'extreme' posts that are making life in eve in general unpleasant. More so the reluctance of the mods (and GM's in game) to respond to such insults. Sorry wasnt trying to make this into anti-bob, just hi-liting they are the masters of forum spin. Which they use to great affect.
Sun Ra Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:48:00 - [15] Well those who quit the game over forum drama should remember its just a game and the forums are part of the game Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Sku1ly STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:52:00 - [16] Get back to mining Veld jeNK. STK-S
Jimmy Riddle Possibly	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:53:00 - [17] The only reason I read this channel is for a laugh, but sometimes the stuff posted is plain derogatory, theres no need for it. Every couple of days theres some sort of goading between Alliance1 vs Alliance2 and that they've got a bigger hairy sack compared to the other (note: mine are shaven, hence I couldn't care either way ). Its always the same old drivel. Most of the threads on here I don't even bother with anymore Anyway its all about propaganda this section of the board, so make of it what you will.... I'm in no doubt though, that if the nodes didn't constantly crash and there could be decent fleet fights, we'd see more of the GF threads with some decent screenies and what not. /me wants screenies d.amn it!!!!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:53:00 - [18] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 13/11/2006 12:58:40 Originally by: King Fury Ah KK thanks for the history lesson, you guys just use it to its full potential. But I think you do take it too far by slating ASCN's leadership, various posts on individuals, McCreedy,etc, sometime go a little too far. When at the end of the day he is giving you a fight, which Im sure is all you want? As I said before, take our propaganda, even if it gets personal, as in-character. We insult MCcreedy in ways that are related to his ingame activities (As we see them. We consider his alliance forum posting ingame acitvity if the content warrants it for example), not to his OOG character. We base our words on what happens in the context of the gameplay, so that makes those words have exactly the same reach and not more. I'm sure alot of my enemies are in RL very nice men that I'd probably enjoy drinking a glass of wine with. Of course, it would help me if they'd keep their words related to Eve gameplay as well, and not to my RL character. Mr MCcreedy and others doing that latter does admittedly manage to get me worked up enough to slightly cross the lines I set for myself. edit2: edited the edit, I wasn't being realistic. Old blog
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:53:00 - [19] Edited by: Lorn Yeager on 13/11/2006 12:53:29 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorn Yeager You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names. You, as a well know PvP'er and respected for that - have fallen pray for the urge to do just that. Thats what some of us are tired of reading. At least give us some REAL roleplay then. That is probably to a large degree because you are not involved and therefore the forum war doesn't directly affect you. I can see how that would be much less interesting and how undoubtedly a lot of the hidden messages and nuances in the posts would go over your head, leaving what apparently is just two groups of people attempting to belittle each other. There is a lot more going on in much of this forum war than you perhaps give credit and probably 90% of the things written by BoB regarding ASCN are not directed at anyone other than ASCN. Whether people realise it or not I am firmly of the opinion that Eve would be a much duller place without the forum antics that accompany a major war and that propaganda has a very important place within alliance warfare (particularly when it is based on facts that are unpleasant to read and accept about your alliance). I agree in part. But... it does make you and yours look stupid and childish none the less. Words can be used in two ways: Either to disguise thought, or to disguise that there are no thought at all. More and more, the latter comes to mind. Get my point? Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:59:00 - [20] Random board smack really doesn't deserve to be dressed up with the term "propaganda", or compared to whatever overblown or inappropriate real life examples people dredge up. It's not "propaganda". It's not fun role play. It's just forum smack.
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Halafian Random board smack really doesn't deserve to be dressed up with the term "propaganda", or compared to whatever overblown or inappropriate real life examples people dredge up. It's not "propaganda". It's not fun role play. It's just forum smack. So true. Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Lorn Yeager You call it roleplay. To me its like in kindergarden where kids where standing at each one side of the fence, calling eachother names. You should see the politics of RL, some nations leaders act in a similiar way (as the bolded part states) Hence many people dont like politics, and simply ignore it. Though would be funny to see some people quit the 'RL' due to their inablity to ignore stuff ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Halafian Random board smack really doesn't deserve to be dressed up with the term "propaganda", or compared to whatever overblown or inappropriate real life examples people dredge up. It's not "propaganda". It's not fun role play. It's just forum smack. I reckon it depends on your point of view. Most people in BoB don't see it as "Forum smack". It's up to everybody else to think for themselves and read it as they see fit. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:12:00 - [24] Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/11/2006 13:12:47 Here we go again...... first of all... If You Don't like the content of this section of the forums... DON'T READ IT. These boards are very well moderated and recieve a lot of attention from ISD. The CAOD board is a window into the soul of EVE, take away the political excitment that comes from announcements from the big alliances, propaganda or not and you will be ripping the heart out of EVE. If you don't understand why CAOD and its content is so important.. then 0.0 life and EVE is simply not your game..... at all. When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative : My Little Pony Forums
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:14:00 - [25] I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators. They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously. Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway) People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop!
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:14:00 - [26] Stop following me around Nez. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Nez Perces When this section of the forum gets a little too much for the delicate sensibilities out there ... one can always visit the following forums as an alternative : My Little Pony Forums rofl ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Weebear People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop! You'd be surprised! ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Weebear I think this forum has outgrown, what it was originally intended to be, and has become unmanageable by the moderators. They have tried to fix it by banning newb corps, but all that has resulted in is a load of 1 man corps with silly names posting more crap than previously. Personally I would like to see a separate alliance forum where only members of an alliance can post (which is what most of the topics in here are regarding anyway) People might think twice about posting drivel if it costs them 1 billion a pop! Rubbish.. you guys in ASCN just can't bear for BoB's weekly war reports to be read by the rest of teh community because they make you look like a waste of space... Your real problem is that you haven't got a single forum poster between you with the gumption to counter BoB's efforts. Thats your problem..... and pretending to be offended doesn't wash.
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:21:00 - [30] And if this forum could benefit from anyone person not being able to post, it would be Nez Perces in Brown Nose Corp. Your valid points to posts ratio is worse than our kill ratio against BoB. I didn't say people wouldn't be able to read the press releases, just not respond.

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