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Aseoph	Posted - 2006.11.14 18:13:00 - [1] Ok, so I've been doing L4 missions for quite some time now, have worked myself into a mostly t2 setup minus the launchers on my raven, which I use Arbies Cruise. So I get through Vengeance, have to warp out a few times (I can't wait for the faction XL booster!) and then I get to the end. I go up against a named rat called Rachen Mysuna. Ok, seriously this rat (besides not letting you any closer than 50km) tanks everything! I even warped out, refit my ship with 6X siege launchers and I couldn't even break her tank. I get about half down on her shields and then i have to reload my launchers, and that provides her with time to recharge her shields fully! I had to beg in local (because my corp is far away) for help, and it took 2 Ravens to take this $#^#@ down! What the hell happened here? I remember having done this mission solo before and taking her out, but I don't remember ever meeting a mission inwhich I had to have someone's assistance! I asked around and I'm not the only one that has experienced this. What's up CCP? Have you made the named rats so dang hard that you require either t2 cruise/torp to take them out? Ridiculous!
Harotak	Posted - 2006.11.14 18:22:00 - [2] kill everything else and then warp out to refit for siege + afterburner. you need to close the distance so the defender missiles dont shoot your torps down and also so you can deploy drones.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.14 18:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 14/11/2006 18:31:15 What Vengeance? It must be Angel you are talking about! I did Vengeance Serpentis solo the second time in my Brutix. Actually t2 fitted. The first dusty stage was a bit scary but I could tank them all. My tactics are always +run away, keep distance½ if webbers let me do. For taking down BS I switch to close combat using my 90% webber and t2 drones. Actually I have also Spike and Javelin ammo for critical situations in my cargo. Jevelin I use very rare due bad speed and shield penalty. Loading all rails with Javelin is like beeing 90% webbed. Last night I tried Angel Ex 4 solo ... it's possible but I joined a 5 BS pilot gang after entering the 4th stage because it took too long in a BC. We did some missions after that. Angel Ex 4 under 15 minutes. Nice fast stampede! :-) Fly strong skilled and well fitted! Presidente Gallente +The Dude in a Brut½
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.14 18:47:00 - [4] Rachen CAN be killed with an ordinary cruise Raven...but you need to close him down...if you can get wihtin 20km of him, he doesn't kill enough of your cruise with his defenders. Siege works ok...but you have to get within about 10km of him to disable his defenders, because of their slower speed. Fit three BCU II's in lows if you can...that will help with your damage. --- Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
Bracken Gallente Nocturnal Ascendancy	Posted - 2006.11.14 18:49:00 - [5] I did this mission last night, the guristas one and this bs tanks like hell but i beat its tank in a dominix with t1 wasps and 4 425mm rails. Didnt take too long either. Havnt tried it with any other ship. Brack Website
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.14 20:35:00 - [6] Rachen is the reason i dont bother with doing Vengeance at all, you know that you can turn down a mission every 4 hours with standings loss i hope.. But if you really want to bother, range is the key as already been said. He doesnt only have a tank from hell, he is also a massive abuser of defenders. So get closer, and dont forget to use drones for a little extra dps. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.11.14 21:07:00 - [7] hey hey theres a few rats that can be an arse to kill. I had the same effect with Hooborak Moon recently. look up the NPC tank via elfarto and exploit his every weakness. (nos will help too) mainly cause i refuse to give up and refuse to use a sleipnir i managed to ***** him (hooborak moon) with Quake M and Fury Havoc's. i normally keep 500 Quake M in my hold for him and generally he popps quickly and uses about 1 reload. I'd recommend doing the same with your NPC. Exploit his weakness to maximum effect (includes ammo swapping for shield/armor) and you should have no trouble. Rogue Drone parasite COSMOS NPC - hard but nice tank Kael Nutan - COSMOS NPC - Took Quake + Cerberus ( Tempest + Quake iirc solo) Bazeri Palen - COSMOS NPC - Takes Quake Solo (claymore) Mammoth - Pants - Takes Titanium to break though Hooborak Moon - Quake M in a Claymore Fusion only in a tempest. Cant say much for Faction NPC's and recently in the storyline Covering your tracks i had the Faction dude \o/ but seriously never give up and you'l find experience wil win out after you find that first pop. I think that CCP and Dev's Calculate NP tanks etc. using higher end numbers and when they run their "graphs" those with higher end skills should have no trouble and those with low end will struggle. Im Quite surprised to hear a Raven struggle at anything so while i rofl for a minute . . . I think Named NPC's Should be harder and Low SP and low fitted ships shouldnt be able to solopwnmobile stuFF.
Oerar Endless Corp	Posted - 2006.11.14 21:14:00 - [8] had that mission last night. Ended up dragging a corpmate in with me to help with Rachen, and that worked wonders.
Orion Shurtak Amarr Free Player Corp	Posted - 2006.11.14 23:32:00 - [9] I had the Blood Raider and Sansha versions of that mission. yes, it's tough to bring down the main dude, but not impossible. I solo that one whenever I get it. I use all EMP cruise missiles for the versions I have had. I use 6x Cruise launcher II's. ROF for me is 8.31 sec so that is fast enough to kill him before he can repair the damage I do. Just increase your ROF if possible or close the distance. It' s waist of time using torps as they are too slow and you load too often. -------------------------------------------------- Free Player Corporation
Fondas FW Inc	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:01:00 - [10] The most scaring think in the last room is the Tower sentries ! After dealing with those, my friend Rachen was a piece of cake ! ;) How I did it you ask ? here it goes :) I fly a T1 fitted Domi. Although I have no problem sending my drones to the 50km range, to meet rachen, 5 Wasps could not even bend his tank. So I though the only way with my skills , to fight him is with blasters. Blasters are close range , so I had to find a way to close on him. Then it hit me ;) Heavy Web drones ! They kept him still while I closed in with my AB, in 10k I activated my onboard web, recalled the web drones and released the Wasps. Then I opened fire with my blasters, while I had and a Magfield fitted, just to speed things up. Rachen went down pretty fast ! :) The same tactic should work for a single raven too. AFAIK, Raven Pilots' problem is the defenders Rachen spams which effectively cuts down their DPS. The only way to avoid those defenders is to get really close(1-2k) and then fire away. According to my calculations you need to dish out approximately 180 kinetic DPS (not raw) to start breaking his tank Note that I had to specifically refit to fight Rachen Mysuna. Hope that helps ;)

Hustle Fighter Caldari Galaxy Financial	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:03:00 - [11] Originally i had this same problem, but i've noticed it was solved with t2 seige launchers, due to refire and amount of torps they hold(20). Easily broke the ship into a million pieces in 2 full reloads. 1st full set of torps took it half into armor, 2nd blasted the regen'd shields and the rest of the armor/structure.
Teh Supah AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:33:00 - [12] Edited by: Teh Supah on 15/11/2006 00:34:35 put drone link aug in high t2 hammerheads + t1 cruises with some decent skills do the job
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Aseoph Ok, so I've been doing L4 missions for quite some time now, have worked myself into a mostly t2 setup minus the launchers on my raven, which I use Arbies Cruise. So I get through Vengeance, have to warp out a few times (I can't wait for the faction XL booster!) and then I get to the end. I go up against a named rat called Rachen Mysuna. Ok, seriously this rat (besides not letting you any closer than 50km) tanks everything! I even warped out, refit my ship with 6X siege launchers and I couldn't even break her tank. I get about half down on her shields and then i have to reload my launchers, and that provides her with time to recharge her shields fully! I had to beg in local (because my corp is far away) for help, and it took 2 Ravens to take this $#^#@ down! What the hell happened here? I remember having done this mission solo before and taking her out, but I don't remember ever meeting a mission inwhich I had to have someone's assistance! I asked around and I'm not the only one that has experienced this. What's up CCP? Have you made the named rats so dang hard that you require either t2 cruise/torp to take them out? Ridiculous! havent tried tkaing a corp mate or buddy along i assume its doable with 2 BS - good luck tho as it probably isnt soloable
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.11.15 02:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Fondas The most scaring think in the last room is the Tower sentries ! After dealing with those, my friend Rachen was a piece of cake ! ;) How I did it you ask ? here it goes :) I fly a T1 fitted Domi. Although I have no problem sending my drones to the 50km range, to meet rachen, 5 Wasps could not even bend his tank. So I though the only way with my skills , to fight him is with blasters. Blasters are close range , so I had to find a way to close on him. Then it hit me ;) Heavy Web drones ! They kept him still while I closed in with my AB, in 10k I activated my onboard web, recalled the web drones and released the Wasps. Then I opened fire with my blasters, while I had and a Magfield fitted, just to speed things up. Rachen went down pretty fast ! :) The same tactic should work for a single raven too. AFAIK, Raven Pilots' problem is the defenders Rachen spams which effectively cuts down their DPS. The only way to avoid those defenders is to get really close(1-2k) and then fire away. According to my calculations you need to dish out approximately 180 kinetic DPS (not raw) to start breaking his tank Note that I had to specifically refit to fight Rachen Mysuna. Hope that helps ;) Wow, nice tactic! Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2006.11.15 02:01:00 - [15] 6 x t2 cruise launchers + t1 devastators 5 x valkyrie II Hborak Moon dead in no time.
Zorthal Darendal Gallente Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2006.11.15 06:03:00 - [16] Gimme an Ishtar and T2 wasps, orbit at 5km, double nos...the rest is history To infinity... ...and back before lunch
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:04:00 - [17] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 15/11/2006 07:04:55 T2 Sieges with Juggernaut Jav torps, 5 VespaIIs, and Rachen goes down in I think ~8 volleys. Such a shame Kali will stop that --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:48:00 - [18] Ordinary raven 6x arby siege, 2x heavy nos 3x hardeners, booster, boost amp, AB 3x bcu ii 2x pdu ii all t2 except the launchers, killed him within a minute. needed a refit after tanking EM for the sentries though.
Dragon Lord	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 15/11/2006 11:36:19 Edited by: Dragon Lord on 15/11/2006 11:36:06 hey that named bs is hard, like everyone else says get in close with ab and cruise or seige us drones and it will go down, also i u have a nice navy raven it goes down from 50kms :)
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Sokratesz Ordinary raven 6x arby siege, 2x heavy nos 3x hardeners, booster, boost amp, AB 3x bcu ii 2x pdu ii all t2 except the launchers, killed him within a minute. needed a refit after tanking EM for the sentries though. QFT, though I now can do it with cruiser T2 and no AB. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?

d026 Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:50:00 - [21] using a ab and heavy drones does the job well:) anyway with ok missile skills i easyly can gank her without ab/drones and regular t1 missiles in a regular raven without reloading (rof of arround 7 sec on my cml II's)
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.15 14:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Miss Overlord havent tried tkaing a corp mate or buddy along i assume its doable with 2 BS - good luck tho as it probably isnt soloable What? Despite the fact that about 20 people posted above you that they solo it? ...
Esab Caldari United Divided	Posted - 2006.11.15 15:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Miss Overlord havent tried tkaing a corp mate or buddy along i assume its doable with 2 BS - good luck tho as it probably isnt soloable Post with your main ffs Read the thread before posting is also a good thing to do before commenting on something you obviously know f all about. Rachen Mysuna can be killed solo...in a tech 1 fitted Raven and without drones....I know..I have done it multiple times I wish more missions were like this where you had to 'think' and 'work' at it instead of warp in...kill everything..warp out...rinse repeat.
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.15 15:16:00 - [24] Edited by: Doxs Roxs on 15/11/2006 15:18:01 Id say most Raven pilots should be able to solo this one. Just make sure that you bring a web drone or two in bay for this specific mission. If you got enough drone skills reaching 50Km with drones should not be impossible and once he is webbed you close in and finish him off since he cannot spam defenders. If you lack the skills to reach 50Km with drones you can use one of your utility highslots to fit a drone link augmentor, that way you can be sure to reach him. It might be silly, but you could also just fit an afterburner as has already been suggested Regards /Doxs After almost half a year, why is my face just a '!' ?
Stylom Gallente Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.15 15:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Fondas The most scaring think in the last room is the Tower sentries ! After dealing with those, my friend Rachen was a piece of cake ! ;) How I did it you ask ? here it goes :) I fly a T1 fitted Domi. Although I have no problem sending my drones to the 50km range, to meet rachen, 5 Wasps could not even bend his tank. So I though the only way with my skills , to fight him is with blasters. Blasters are close range , so I had to find a way to close on him. Then it hit me ;) Heavy Web drones ! They kept him still while I closed in with my AB, in 10k I activated my onboard web, recalled the web drones and released the Wasps. Then I opened fire with my blasters, while I had and a Magfield fitted, just to speed things up. Rachen went down pretty fast ! :) The same tactic should work for a single raven too. AFAIK, Raven Pilots' problem is the defenders Rachen spams which effectively cuts down their DPS. The only way to avoid those defenders is to get really close(1-2k) and then fire away. According to my calculations you need to dish out approximately 180 kinetic DPS (not raw) to start breaking his tank Note that I had to specifically refit to fight Rachen Mysuna. Hope that helps ;) Nice technique - you'll have me trying that on everything now and running a blaster set-up permentatly
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.11.15 15:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Miss Overlord havent tried tkaing a corp mate or buddy along i assume its doable with 2 BS - good luck tho as it probably isnt soloable Just because you don't run a lot of missions and were not able to adopt to a challenge in it doesn't mean that others can't do that. In fact, i'm one of those who solo that mission as often as it pops up. Its a nice mission, don't take quite so long as a Guristas Extra but isn't as booring as a Duo of Death. :) And half of the time, Rachen Mysuna even drops something nice. Oh, despite most others, i'm flying a Mega with 425mm Railguns to fly missions. Guess thats a nice change to all those Raven Missioneers. :) Regards, Fliewatuet --
Alesandra Caldari CAS Technologies and Logistics	Posted - 2006.11.15 15:29:00 - [27] Another idea is to fit a Drone Link Augmentor hence increasing your drone range by 20km which I find tends to help somewhat....
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.15 15:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Fliewatuet Originally by: Miss Overlord havent tried tkaing a corp mate or buddy along i assume its doable with 2 BS - good luck tho as it probably isnt soloable Just because you don't run a lot of missions and were not able to adopt to a challenge in it doesn't mean that others can't do that. tbh, he just hits reply on every thread and types the first thing that comes into his mind. WTB forum 'block' feature.
Ulric Denrai Amarr Ascent of Ages	Posted - 2006.11.15 17:00:00 - [29] I first kill the sentries ,my drones are killing some friggs. Then i kill that other BS . Then i`m gona bumb the Boss bs ,will take some time but he goes pop. High : 4 1200mm 4 cruise Med : AB .tracking comp , 3 caprechargers Low : 5 hardeners ,med and large rep. Ship
Chupie Rupie	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:49:00 - [30] Just warp out when he is the only guy left, then come back and get really close to him before locking on and opening fire. He wont aggro until you get to about 20km, then you are already well within NOS range and drone range and can easily take him down with a cruise fitted raven.



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