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Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way. I suppose it matters what percentage of the 6000 are in the controlling alliance. ;) It doesn't take much to hold all the 00 entry gates. Say, not more than 10 people per gate. And there are what, like 30-35 such gates? If not less. why need to hold the 00 entry gates if u holds all outpost? prevent the animy rating? rating is not the problem in Chinese server. they don't want to hold any 0.0 space they just kill everyone in their sight and holds the outpost is the winner.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way. well they use marco to mine the ice it's like all system which has a outpost are full of POS all moon! THEY have 80+ POS in One system crazy! At least it means that they probably spread out a bit more...
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:54:00 - [33] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 15/11/2006 22:55:05 Originally by: Edelweiss ZP why need to hold the 00 entry gates if u holds all outpost? prevent the animy rating? rating is not the problem in Chinese server. they don't want to hold any 0.0 space they just kill everyone in their sight and holds the outpost is the winner. Sounds like a gap in the market for something like -V- Alliance. A competent group of raiders based in NPC-sovereignty 0.0 would quickly teach them that possessing a station without controlling access and egress from local space is a dumb idea.
Morfane Privateers	Posted - 2006.11.15 23:59:00 - [34] Are there any significant groups of pirates? It sounds as if fast, roaming pirates could clean up.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Morfane Are there any significant groups of pirates? It sounds as if fast, roaming pirates could clean up. TBH I think that if regular eve pirates had a chance to work in the eve-china environment, they'd clean house. It would be like a modern criminal going back in time to the wild west when there wern't any radios, telephones and helicopters to track you down. Due to the low pop density, the lack of infrastructure etc. It would be really easy to fly all over the place and make big hit and run attacks. Because I said so...
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:17:00 - [36] Kinda depends on how fanitical, dedicated, and vengefull the players of the alliance are. I have read stuff (no personal experience) of some pretty extreem stuff. Say your corp attacks someone in the alliance they chase your corp down till they have you cornered in a dead end area and camp you 23/7. Then keep it up perminately. Would kind of send a message to other pirate corps I would think. Not a fun way to play but anyway to some they dont play for fun. also a question is it 6000 online? or is it 6000 subs? If it's 6000 online I remember the first 2 years I played with fewer people online than that on the best days.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:48:00 - [37] Just an aside, thanks for keeping us up to date on our Chinese counterparts Edelweiss, its good to have a source in their game telling us how its unfolding . Really quite fascinating stuff. "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur
Imperil Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:06:00 - [38] I wish I could play on the Chinese server.
Tonkin Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:10:00 - [39] **** only one region left. it couldnt happen in our eve. lol you could see all the peeps joing on the nona bandwagon, and the fountain peeps have 100 players left and the 5900 other players are in nona lol. eve come to a end there by the looks of it. send us lot in there hehehehe or have a tournament with them. Sig removed, you sig was too ubber to display and ccp had no choice but to nerf it - CCP(NERFBAT)
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:12:00 - [40] To think it was only 3 months ago that Molle started playing "Mandarine in 21 days" audio tapes to us over TS.. :)
The Ratfink Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:12:00 - [41] Hello?? They are going around in 0.0 space conquering regions one corp are all like "we like region we like to very much take it" how is that the same as camping gates in 0.4 going and stuff and ransoming
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:21:00 - [42] I actually find it quite interesting that one alliance has managed to dominate all but one region . That, and I also find the fact that people don't care about territory really shocking, just station combat ? "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:39:00 - [43] Well, U guys are saying if don't camp then died quickly by pirate? In fact, in the chinese server all ppl have 0km BMs and we all look at Local and have warp core stabilizers. Most important, WE DON'T Have Pirates! As from the begining of beta test the WAR between those two BIG unions never stop. All over the MAP, all killed if we see a white/red name and that's called "Harvest" from every morning until server down, three times a day. And the Chinese Pirate are all subcorps of the Large Unions, never seen a neutral one and you just cannot be neutral if u wanna pass 0.0, as both side will kill you for fun. I had never seen any gangs more than 3ppl being pirate in my game time(ignore those died one), if a member get killed by a pirate, u just need to sent the killmail and insurace to the CEO than u can get a new equiped one. However u will be despise by everyone as most pirate are noobs in the chinese server. On the forum of the official webside, lots noob are camplaining that they cannot get into 0.0, or killed by the corps. It is dangerous to get into 0.0 as what u gain will always less than your loss.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:56:00 - [44] sounds like an extreme version of XETIC - with the lack of players atm one alliance has taken like 90% of the players - oiutpost building ice mining etc - a smaller group is in place but otherwise noobs and others are just a smattering across the map In this circumstance unless war becomes entrenched the majority alliance will continue to hold sway until an internal breakup becomes likley What could lead to such a move the early days of BOB harassing the big boys - pure PVP outfit taking morale toll on the big boys - spies lol fostering internal divisions and disinformation - the emergence of strong identities within - would be required to split an alliance. Apparently the empire component over on Serentiy as most players are still noobs would be minimal they are all in 0.0 getting the most vaulable stuff. Not until the player numbers go up and the vets form smaller alliances will noober players come thro and settle empire ( like we have now) the slow progression over time deeper and deeper in to 0.0 like a tiered system Explains some of the elements anyway
mechtech	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:06:00 - [45] It sounds like there aren't enough players to set up specialized corps to raid the 2 alliances space, even with the odds against them. I'm sure if someone on serenity created a pirate corp with the goal of staying neutral in the big war and killing everyone they find, they could be very annoying even to the alliances. What pirates need is to be able to get in, cause damage, and get out before backup arrives. This usually requires interceptors and heavy assault cruisers, which can take alot of skills to be proficient in. Once people get the hit and run tactics down, they should start enjoying to fight vs greater odds.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:07:00 - [46] WTT: Serenity industrialists for Tranquility pirates . "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Miss Overlord sounds like an extreme version of XETIC - with the lack of players atm one alliance has taken like 90% of the players - oiutpost building ice mining etc - a smaller group is in place but otherwise noobs and others are just a smattering across the map In this circumstance unless war becomes entrenched the majority alliance will continue to hold sway until an internal breakup becomes likley What could lead to such a move the early days of BOB harassing the big boys - pure PVP outfit taking morale toll on the big boys - spies lol fostering internal divisions and disinformation - the emergence of strong identities within - would be required to split an alliance. Apparently the empire component over on Serentiy as most players are still noobs would be minimal they are all in 0.0 getting the most vaulable stuff. Not until the player numbers go up and the vets form smaller alliances will noober players come thro and settle empire ( like we have now) the slow progression over time deeper and deeper in to 0.0 like a tiered system Explains some of the elements anyway That's not right, those big Alience only contains 1/3 or 1/4 Online ppl, but as most Chinese ppl are unlikely to be organise(i.e. they are more likely to work in the NPC corp and don't like any rules or join any player's corp, but wanna to get into 0.0) simply ignore them. As they wanna to be fare to everyone with no pain.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:14:00 - [48] Originally by: mechtech It sounds like there aren't enough players to set up specialized corps to raid the 2 alliances space, even with the odds against them. I'm sure if someone on serenity created a pirate corp with the goal of staying neutral in the big war and killing everyone they find, they could be very annoying even to the alliances. What pirates need is to be able to get in, cause damage, and get out before backup arrives. This usually requires interceptors and heavy assault cruisers, which can take alot of skills to be proficient in. Once people get the hit and run tactics down, they should start enjoying to fight vs greater odds. Yes, it will be annoying but for those pirates, where their ship from? Big Alience's worrior is just worrior, don't need to worry about the money and ship non mods, but a group of pirates, to fight with those Pro worriors? with bigger lose and no free reimburse? Do you think such thing will last long?
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:18:00 - [49] awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P Originally by: Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed...
Lorette Gallente Grandma's WIth Guns	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:46:00 - [50] Wow so soon its just going to be 100% PvE , if one alliance holds all of 0.0 it will make EVE pretty boring. Id expect the big alliance to split into smaller alliances and start picking out areas to call their own...then bring on the fighting again.
Takaharu Tsuyoshi	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Sovereign533 awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P Sadly probably china by number alone.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Lorette Id expect the big alliance to split into smaller alliances and start picking out areas to call their own...then bring on the fighting again. This is another thing which is unlikely to happen as those corps member had play game together for years and core members even know each other in the real life. As most of the biggest corp are formed by this way and called Online Game Guild some of them will have around 6 years history. For a long history Online Game Guild, they will have Triditional Enemy/Friend...which is why the Chinese EVE go straight to the duel.
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:56:00 - [53] There's no question, if we were to dump the MC into Serenity, give them whatever they wanted for their troubles, and say "kill everyone". You can be sure they would. Our playerbase has vastly higher SP, vastly higher experience at fitting and combat. There's just no way for a group of players flying mostly T1 ships with mostly T1 fittings, no capital ships, to hold ground against a group of players with Tech 2 BS, fully T2 everything, and the skills to fly capitals. Top that off with years of combat experience and full knowledge of all tactics available, and TQ owns Serenity. - - -
pylons38 Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Sovereign533 awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P raises hand I'm Chinese :D
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Aterna There's no question, if we were to dump the MC into Serenity, give them whatever they wanted for their troubles, and say "kill everyone". You can be sure they would. Our playerbase has vastly higher SP, vastly higher experience at fitting and combat. There's just no way for a group of players flying mostly T1 ships with mostly T1 fittings, no capital ships, to hold ground against a group of players with Tech 2 BS, fully T2 everything, and the skills to fly capitals. Top that off with years of combat experience and full knowledge of all tactics available, and TQ owns Serenity. I think ur wrong, yes the ppl who play in TQ might have more this and that but how many of them really have the experience of more than 100 ppl's battle and how many times? T2 are good thing but 2 far expensive. Last question, will TQ ppl get free ships if they killed by Serenity even the capital ships? Anyway if u assume the whold TQ can become a union of 25k ppl against 6k ppl. I will have no word as the Serenity Navy will not be more than 2000.
pylons38 Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:12:00 - [56] There have been 200 man battles here in TQ. They have quite a lot of experience with fleet warfare.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:15:00 - [57] Originally by: pylons38 There have been 200 man battles here in TQ. They have quite a lot of experience with fleet warfare. have been is not good enough..should be every day... we have been 800 man battles...and the server just up and down...and get memory back 4 times a day!!
Taizu Lilith Minmatar Counterglow Kancho Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:28:00 - [58] It seems like the Chinese might be a little more intense.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:36:00 - [59] Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Originally by: Aterna There's no question, if we were to dump the MC into Serenity, give them whatever they wanted for their troubles, and say "kill everyone". You can be sure they would. Our playerbase has vastly higher SP, vastly higher experience at fitting and combat. There's just no way for a group of players flying mostly T1 ships with mostly T1 fittings, no capital ships, to hold ground against a group of players with Tech 2 BS, fully T2 everything, and the skills to fly capitals. Top that off with years of combat experience and full knowledge of all tactics available, and TQ owns Serenity. I think ur wrong, yes the ppl who play in TQ might have more this and that but how many of them really have the experience of more than 100 ppl's battle and how many times? T2 are good thing but 2 far expensive. Last question, will TQ ppl get free ships if they killed by Serenity even the capital ships? Anyway if u assume the whold TQ can become a union of 25k ppl against 6k ppl. I will have no word as the Serenity Navy will not be more than 2000. You know the old saying......numbers alone don't win a battle. Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"

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