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Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:18:00 - [121] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 18/11/2006 01:19:30 Originally by: Allen Deckard Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. Guess it depends how crappy your job is :) I would say those ppl are crazy in my mind too, and those spending a lot real money into the game. think that is not a common thing guess less than 1/1000 for the quit job and less than 1/10 for spanding real money. well i don't know as I never spending any real money in any Chinese game as the items in those servers are just worthless.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:38:00 - [122] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 18/11/2006 01:38:19 From A.Y.R moive as the pirate subcorp of Speed corp of NONA Our enimy LOL I am not BBE nor EEC Download Cruisers Harvest in the first month Download Battle ships with in the first two months I guess Hope u guys can read some Chinese but I have to say the movive is not a very good one as all good ones will have no time to record and BIG number players make unbeleivable LAG.
Skylar Keenan Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2006.11.18 02:02:00 - [123] In a "fair" fight Tranquility would own Serenity. The only argument I've seen so far in this thread that Serenity should have a chance in hell is their near unlimited resources from macroing. If we put all those people out of business and they actually had to WORK for their ships and equipment just like the rest of us, they'd feel it keenly whenever they lost a ship. Tranqs superior SP, combat experience and equipment would grind them into the ground. To sum it up: Without limitless resources from macroing they'd get ground into the dirt ----------------------------------------------- New sig coming SoonÖ
qui arthell	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:09:00 - [124] I soooo wish China laws would have allowed them to join Tranquility. Would have made it mighty interesting to see what these major OGG's would do against each other, and our alliances
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:43:00 - [125] I have no doubt that what we see there is going to happen on Tranquility, and I say sooner rather than later. The nature of the game promotes professionalization of corps and alliances, and what they are doing over there is just professionalization to a whole new level.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:26:00 - [126] Originally by: Tarkan Kador I have no doubt that what we see there is going to happen on Tranquility, and I say sooner rather than later. The nature of the game promotes professionalization of corps and alliances, and what they are doing over there is just professionalization to a whole new level. I doubt it. If what we are hearing is true, for all that to happen over here, the alliances would have to start approaching us, offering us free ships and equipment on demand and a full subsidy of our subscriptions, while paying us a RL salary. If the package were to be competitive enough, many people would accept it. However, the game would quickly die because the end-game would be a state where everyone has been hired by the same entity. We all know that no-one has the resources to achieve this here.
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:43:00 - [127] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Tarkan Kador I have no doubt that what we see there is going to happen on Tranquility, and I say sooner rather than later. The nature of the game promotes professionalization of corps and alliances, and what they are doing over there is just professionalization to a whole new level. I doubt it. If what we are hearing is true, for all that to happen over here, the alliances would have to start approaching us, offering us free ships and equipment on demand and a full subsidy of our subscriptions, while paying us a RL salary. If the package were to be competitive enough, many people would accept it. However, the game would quickly die because the end-game would be a state where everyone has been hired by the same entity. We all know that no-one has the resources to achieve this here. Do we know? It is not uncommon for high rollers to spend an ungodly sum of money at Las Vegas, or Monte Carlo. I can imagine a situation where somebody, or some group, would want to win so bad that they'd throw a lot of money into the thing. More money has been thrown into hobbies for far less than what EVE is. People want to win, and are willing to do what it takes. It never ceases to amaze me on Tranquility the lengths some will go through. The things the Chinese are doing are just an extention of the same desire BoB or any other alliance has. They win because they are able to do what the other side cannot do. If people leave because they cannot have fun here under those conditions, then it isn't the problem for those where the fun is in winning.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:11:00 - [128] Originally by: Earthan well you can like or dislike BOB but they are great pvpers with great FC, you cant deny this.... Sure they are, there is no denying it, but most of the success of BoB is due to a combination of not having any real dangerous enemies and their public image. As good as some BoB are, I'm not sure they really can beat ASCN in any meaningful way. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
J Frost Gallente The Tafflington Trust	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:21:00 - [129] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ***** pathetic. Well, you can disagree on that theory, but it's just the different ways of enjoying the game. Whether you like it or not, please, try not being offensive. I do respect whatever ppl do in games, no matter if you're trying (or already done) raiding the whole universe, or macro-mining, or whatever else. That's the way ppl enjoys their life, their game experience, their return of spending money on it. Since the official didn't mark it as GUILTY, then they're supposed to be legal. You can either work it out that way, or quit the game and find somewhere else that suitable for your playing style. That's why I came to TQ, and I'm glad that I've made this decision. I'm trying to not making any political or military argument, so if anything I said following DOES make you feel bad, I appologize. Talking about the technical advantage of TQ pilots VS. Chinese pilots, that DOES matter, but not ALL. I don't know if any of u know how WW2 went in China, but from my point of view, there are a whole lot of things other than technique and SP. If you still don't get my point, then I think I'll leave it there and not making anything off-topic or making anybody feels bad. Just ignore my words, I don't mean to start an argument, really. Ok, back to my point. After all, TQ will NOT crash into SN or vise versa for sure. Reasons are pretty clear to see. 1. We started from the same point, but TQ is 3 years more experienced. That's not fair for SN pilots. 2. The game cost in SN is lower than TQ due to the lower average income of Chinese population, but the game is almost the same. Which could mean that pilot in SN might spend 1/3 of RL money invested in game (normal investments including GTC or account services) to reach the level of the same in TQ. That's not fair for TQ pilots. 3. Most of Chinese pilots don't speak English, although we started to learn that from junior high. I mean, yes, they can read some simple words and sentences such as "Good morning!", but not enough for communication. Especially when EVE contains a lot of vocabulary related to physics and strategics. Same for TQ players, most of you have not learned Chinese before as I supposed. Think of this: You are in a game, and having problem while trying to communicate with half of the players online. That really sucks... 4. As someone already mentioned, the time problem. Most Chinese players are in GMT +8 zone. That's why I can't join most of the corp ops, cuz when they start the op at 19 EVE time, I should be dreaming at 3 AM in my bed. However, I really love my corp and the members, they are very nice to me, and they are a bunch of funny guys. I do have a lot of fun with them whenever I'm not alone online. Just wanna say "thx" to all of them. 5. Connection problem could kill me. There r 2 major ISPs in China, and we have serious problem connecting each other between those 2 ISPs. Besides that, the international bandwidth might cause real lagecy in TQ. You don't wanna see yourself floating in middle of nowhere with your pod after jumping from a gate, which stucks for about 30 seconds, don't u? 6. Payment problem. I don't think much of Chinese ppl would have a USD or EUR account. Or, would you prefer to pay in RMB? When EQ2 was shutdown in China, players were transfered into SOE America server as far as I know. However, due to the reasons above, most of them quit the game. So I don't think there would NOT** be any chance for TQ and SN pilots to be crashed into each other, and that's the thing I would pray for not happening. If that happens any day in the future, then I guess that's the time for me to find another online game.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 10:58:00 - [130] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/11/2006 10:59:06 Originally by: Thor Xian I'm not sure BoB knows what to do if the node doesn't crash tho, but I'm sure they could figure it out quickly enough. "Okay, get eady for the crash." "Oh **!, No crash! Kill Something!!" Originally by:** Thor Xian Sure they are, there is no denying it, but most of the success of BoB is due to a combination of not having any real dangerous enemies and their public image. As good as some BoB are, I'm not sure they really can beat ASCN in any meaningful way. Please stop smaking us here, there is no need. Stay on topic and be happy. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:31:00 - [131] Originally by: Tarkan Kador It is not uncommon for high rollers to spend an ungodly sum of money at Las Vegas, or Monte Carlo. I can imagine a situation where somebody, or some group, would want to win so bad that they'd throw a lot of money into the thing. More money has been thrown into hobbies for far less than what EVE is. People want to win, and are willing to do what it takes. It never ceases to amaze me on Tranquility the lengths some will go through. The things the Chinese are doing are just an extention of the same desire BoB or any other alliance has. They win because they are able to do what the other side cannot do. EVE isn't cool enough in the West for anyone to bother trying. In Entropia, yeah. Here, I just don't see it ever happening.
Xelertic	Posted - 2006.11.19 02:47:00 - [132] I saw something has been mistaken here. Now,there are 7 major alliances in the EVE China which occupy the S/N/W/E. They are the NOTHERN ALLIANCE,the PAN-INTEESTELLAR BUSINESS COMMUNITY , PIBC for short.the R ALLIANCE .the SOURCE ALLIANCE .the BABEIER ALLIANCE(BBE).the EASTERN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY(EEC).and the FEIDEKE ALLIANCE(FDK) Now the situation is that the north and the south are attacking the west & east . By now, alomost all the stations in the south has been occupied by the NORTHERN/PIBC which means at the same time the BBE are losing their last station in solar system "JV1V". The war is not over , right.Maybe the BBE will be the second BOB if they have patient.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 07:18:00 - [133] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/11/2006 10:59:06 Originally by: Thor Xian I'm not sure BoB knows what to do if the node doesn't crash tho, but I'm sure they could figure it out quickly enough. "Okay, get eady for the crash." "Oh **!, No crash! Kill Something!!" Originally by:** Thor Xian Sure they are, there is no denying it, but most of the success of BoB is due to a combination of not having any real dangerous enemies and their public image. As good as some BoB are, I'm not sure they really can beat ASCN in any meaningful way. Please stop smaking us here, there is no need. Stay on topic and be happy. dbp It's not smack if it is true :p Your reputation does more for you than your T2 weapons. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.19 09:15:00 - [134] Well thats your opionon , just remmber Phoenix allaince was saying same things before and during great northern war... That said maybe ASCN is tougher i dont know,maybe BOB wont win this wone , no idea, just imho dont underestimate the power of BOB side. - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 09:34:00 - [135] Well PA was never exactly a pillar of solidarity and might. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:21:00 - [136] Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. _______________________________________________
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:36:00 - [137] Originally by: Cabadrin Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. Same, when you have to treat a game like a job to compete, it's not worth playing (for me personally anyway). I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:47:00 - [138] Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Cabadrin Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. Same, when you have to treat a game like a job to compete, it's not worth playing (for me personally anyway). Thats because your a loser. not a winner like me. I'd stay and pwn them, basically. Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:48:00 - [139] I would just love to AF/inty pirate on Serenity... kind of enough said, no ? _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:01:00 - [140] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 22/11/2006 15:00:45 Originally by: J Frost 1.1) PPL would put real-life money investment into game to en-power the force in game. Hiring ppl to work or fight for them, buying ISK or anyother purchase-able, and DONATE it to whoever needs it to fight the INTRUDORS. Sounds like our alliance could make a lot of money over there. Like, real money. On that thought, are there any mercenaries in there? Sounds like there wouldn't be.
Richard Stryker Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:11:00 - [141] anyone else watch that second movie and spend the whole time yelling "wtf... kill the dam scorp already..."" watching that tq would pwn serenity.
Tusko Hopkins Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:13:00 - [142] Edelweiss, or some other Chinese player, can you tell me where to look for chinese-made ingame movies and ads? Like the videos forum here on this forum, or www.eve-files.com generally... I bet Chinese people are doing lots of movies, too, featuring fleet battles and stories etc (if they really have so much time as you described). Where is the forum for that? It would be really great to see what we are talking about.
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:16:00 - [143] Quote: Well, you can disagree on that theory, but it's just the different ways of enjoying the game. Whether you like it or not, please, try not being offensive. Sad No. Whoever quits his job or other RL obligations to play a game needs their heads examined and professional help. Addictions are a health problem. It's not being offensive, it's just letting things clear. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:18:00 - [144] Edited by: Tundaar on 22/11/2006 15:20:29 heh - I think that Tranq might have a harder time than many seem to think - Seen the price of HACs recently? - Serenity would be GIVING them to their fighters - T2 BPO Hoarding? - already one Alliance there has most of them sewn up and is producing basically for free for their alliance. Tranq is too individualistic - can you actually see Tranq t2 BPO owners producing and giving away at cost price? - AND NO-ONE taking advantage of it by trying to sell on at a higher price? Only a few alliances on Tranq can manage to get a large fleet together consistently (more than once per week) can you imagine trying to take down an alliance which has the dedication and resource to put 80 POS in ONE system?? and field 300-500 people fleets EVERY night . . . Tranquility initial advantage in gear would get eroded very quickly with constant combat and Serenity would be able to replace better and more efficiently - the T2 advantage would soon run the other way. Would all be over in a couple of months with just a few Tranq pirates hiding on the fringes
Tusko Hopkins Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:24:00 - [145] You're talking about these free stuff as if it was some builtin feature. I recon that if an alliance is macromining all day they can supply endless numbers of battleships to the members, but in case of t2 stuff it's not like that. If a HAC BPO rolls out a HAC every 34 hours no macro can help you with that. And if they get hold of such BPOs, they wont be reimbursing all the 'hundreds' of HACs they lose a they because they simply cant.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:37:00 - [146] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Cabadrin Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. Same, when you have to treat a game like a job to compete, it's not worth playing (for me personally anyway). Thats because your a loser. not a winner like me. I'd stay and pwn them, basically. Silence meantshield! *Backhands layth I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:55:00 - [147] When I was younger I used to play a board game called Talisman. A lot. We used to play every weekend with the same bunch of friends. We had all the expansion packs and it could take hours to win... we had games that would last most of the night. Occasionally we'd introduce a new friend to the game, and explain the rules and objectives to them and they'd go 'okay...' and then we'd play the game and as often as not they'd win. We realised that this was not entirely beginners' luck but that we (as experienced players) would be off exploring 'winning' strategies and trying to trip each other up while all the new player did was head straight to the middle of the board and 'win', because that's what had been explained to them as the objective of the game. In a nutshell, seems to me that we (in general) play the game for the sake of playing the game... the Chinese play the game to win. Maybe someone needs to explain to them the concept of having fun, even if you're not on the winning team ;) Maybe that's unfair, but they do seem to take everything far too seriously. The Chinese phd students in my department are exactly the same. They come in and work solidly for 10 hours, hardly talk to anyone (even if you try to drag them off for a coffee) and then go home. Every day the same. If someone doesn't get them to relax China will be the largest superpower on the planet - right up to the moment they all die of heart attacks.
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:58:00 - [148] Originally by: Tusko Hopkins You're talking about these free stuff as if it was some builtin feature. I recon that if an alliance is macromining all day they can supply endless numbers of battleships to the members, but in case of t2 stuff it's not like that. If a HAC BPO rolls out a HAC every 34 hours no macro can help you with that. And if they get hold of such BPOs, they wont be reimbursing all the 'hundreds' of HACs they lose a they because they simply cant. Yeah - but the point is there will be one coming off the line every 34 hours and it will be available and the player won't be paying for it (cause all of the mining/materials etc will be macroed and the server is in for the win not the profit) - I just can't see that happening on Tranquility. It's a matter of dedication and not caring for a personal "I Win" button
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:05:00 - [149] ive been playing on the chinese server for a few days now ( use google translate to talk). The chinese play for fun, its the only reason thay play. Everyone helpes everyone to grind isk then everyone blows it all up. Then we start again :P. Im in an allaince that would crush anything on this server purely becuse of there dedication, 500 hundred people in alliance right now only 3k on the server :\|.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:34:00 - [150] Originally by: albert camus ive been playing on the chinese server for a few days now ( use google translate to talk). The chinese play for fun, its the only reason thay play. Everyone helpes everyone to grind isk then everyone blows it all up. Then we start again :P. Im in an allaince that would crush anything on this server purely becuse of there dedication, 500 hundred people in alliance right now only 3k on the server :\|. nice spirit :D the few encouters we had with chinese players in my old game (asheron's call) was exactly that. they had a "clan" that just... claimed a place, like Jita, THE central hub, and then it went in big booms of explosions big bad horrible tactics, i mean really EVIL people (ingame!! i mean evil tactics but which work eheh), but it always end with a laugh and an excellent time had some great time with chinese corps. and apparently the FC(or its equivalent in AC were all in the same place or cybercafe, they were terribly efficient :p ------ relaxed corp looking for members

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