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mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:30:00 - [91] Originally by: albert camus Have you guys ever played the Chinese at any game.... Thay own, outright unless we go and hire the koreans we aint got a hope in hell That is a pretty big steriotype...... However when I lived in Korea for 2 years it is certainly different over there in terms of gaming... Every street(in Seoul) corner had cloudy rooms full of T1 connected computers with gamers literaly functioning like an ant colony. Playing them in Counterstrike was very fun with my friends. We were evenly matched in a FPS...it isnt like it is in their genetics to be good at gaming... Of course the big game that were out were not the MMO style ones now. Diablo 2, CS, EO2, warcraft were the ones most played. The internet cafes over there were nothing like over here. You could smoke cigs, drink beer, and generaly have a good time. As long as you werent bothering anyone you were good to go. In many instances that wasnt a problem because clans for FPS's would literally take over the entire room.(Since I was in the army at the time we would go down there as a squad and the good natured competition was intense to say the least)
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:38:00 - [92] Well heres the problem. If you played games against chines or koreans in the past.. there are tons and tons of players who can play 18h a day, and have no life outside the game. Furthermore, they have NO qualms with using any kind of hack/cheat/macro they can find, to gain an edge. So very rarely is it a very fun game. I would not want to be linked to that server. If you want to see how uber fun it is to play asian dominated MMRPGs, go play Lineage 2 or something. Yes its not hard to outthink blobs of asian powergamers, but it is very hard to out hack/macro/play 18 hours a day, if you have any sort of life or any sort of morals against cheating.
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:56:00 - [93] Edited by: Tobiaz on 17/11/2006 01:07:30 Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 16/11/2006 03:37:28 Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward on their guild forums, the core member of his corp are his employee..lol), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney. Sounds like they are not here to play, but just to take direct control of the game off which they make their RL money from. Paying players to fight/mine for you would then be nothing else then an investment. Thank god it's a different server! Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/11/2006 00:02:46 So, if i understand right most of the big guild players there are just warriors that dont have to pay for their ships, just fight. They pay some RL money to their guid and everything ingame is taken care fo for them because the guild employs large amounts of macros for ICE and mining and stuff ? That about right ? If this is anywhere near true then it wont last long before that server dies. If the challenge of the road to the win button is not the motivation but only that win button itself then there simply is nothing in Eve for you. It appears to me that the leaders are here to stay as long as CCP is not taking away the reason WHY en HOW they do it: IG money trading and macros. I read in one of the interviews CCP was gonna make a big move against the IG money traders in the near future. I really wonder how that's gonna influence Serenity if NONA's boss is really the owner of a IG money trader company (if i'd work for CCP i'd would find that rather insulting tbh ) Even more if CCP ever comes round to finally making the mining interface harder to macro. On a sidenote: All people here drooling how Tranq would nuke Serenity with their SP superiority and Cap ships are like adults, comparing their e-peen to that of infants, making them feel bigger Face it: Because of it's appearent hold on T2 production and how it has dedicated workers and fighters and an insane high participation level, I'm guessing NONA is likely to big and powerful to be taken on directly by any samesized Tranq alliance with similar SP and ships. Still... EVE is simply too big for even NONA: more then 3 years of EVE has shown that nothing lasts forever, because in the end it are all still just people playing a game and that tends to get boring if you happen to own a 'win'-button. Besides NONA on tranq would quickly become a 'NONA vs. the rest' with either NONA succumbing to all the sand Tranq players would throw in it's well-oiled macro&workerbee-fueled machine, or NONA comsuming everything and then crumbling from within. Even CYVOK couldn't make something like that work
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.17 02:19:00 - [94] God help the casual player that tries out EVE China. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
shakaZ XIV Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:04:00 - [95] Edited by: shakaZ XIV on 17/11/2006 04:04:49 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Wed decimate them actually, apart from the fact that we have three times their online numbers we also have dreads, much more tech 2 and much better skills. Not to mention a lot more experienced fleet commanders. No, we'd get decimated by them. They are 100x as fanatical as the players on TQ. And at the end of the day, that's all that counts to win in EVE (with gamemechanics being as they are). Over here, fleetbattles between the largest alliances happen what... once a week? That is something different than 3x 100 v 100 every day. Having an advantage in skillpoints/capitals/tech2 mean nothing when your opponent's ships are 100% expendable, and nonstop macromining and complexrunning means that they are. So what would you do against such a "machine"? Bottom line is, western playstyle is too individualistic to compete with people who play like this. But maybe the difference in playstyle also has to do with the fact that macro'ing isn't allowed here and seems to be the "norm" over there? Would people be willing to mine 23/7 for their alliance if it had to be done manually? Over here on TQ, it happens quite often that people "lose faith" in their alliance. Alliances and corps rise and fall, splinter and reform. Over there, from what i gather from Edelweiss' stories, many of the guild/corp/alliance structures existed already prior to EVE and they joined EVE as a whole. Something like the Goons, except uberfanatical. They will not abandon eachother because of some **** that happens in the game they are currently playing, they'd sooner move on to the next game, I imagine. To be honest, I'm glad that TQ is the way it is, as it sounds to me (from my western pov ) like a lot more fun. But it's very interesting to read about how things go on the chinese server so keep us posted, Edelweiss.
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:17:00 - [96] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP numbers do, camping bothside with 200 pll, we jump to your side, all get lost via server restart. got another 50 jump in, controls the gate.. Don't know if this happens in TQ, it always happens in our server. It happens a lot. Perversion:
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:47:00 - [97] Edelweiss, this is great reading; keep it coming. Blog
Szinger	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:06:00 - [98] Originally by: albert camus Have you guys ever played the Chinese at any game.... Thay own, outright unless we go and hire the koreans we aint got a hope in hell I have to completely agree here. When the chinese invaded Shadowbane. It forced Wolfpack to offer free server migrations to let the Chinese and Koreans duke it out while the north american players went to new servers with their tails between their legs.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:34:00 - [99] It would be the same egos that make us think we would win that would eventually get Tranquility Galaxy to capitulate to Serenity Galaxy. We would have no choice but to admit defeat, because ultimately we would not stand united. We would be more like a bunch of 'Liberias' fighting the 'Soviet Union' than we would be the 'US vs USSR'. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
J Frost Gallente The Tafflington Trust	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:11:00 - [100] Well, i'm kinda worried to say , but, yes, I'm a Chinese pilot flying around in TQ, because I hate the way Chinese player live in a game or MMO. PPL take the game too seriously, and make it like another work after my work time. Completely no fun at all. However, if u r a simple Play For Fun guy, then you're doomed, cuz everyone else would be much better than u. Although they won't abondon you, but u'll feel no fun with those guys together becuz of the pressure. Not to mention, i've seen ppl talking about the war between TQ and Chinese server, and I would say, Chinese will win. Why, here are the list of reasons I can think of according to my gaming experience, and see how many of u can make urself matching with any of the following: 1) Nation Pride well, unlike most of u guys ever imagined. Chinese ppl DO have their own life, but just like what i've mentioned, they take the game too seriously. If one of the Chinese player ever gets podded by any foreigners (sorry, no offensive or political), then the rest will consider it as a RACIAL problem. The GREAT CHINA which is one of the oldest culture being with more than 5000 years of history (which personally i hate the most), would fight to death for defending our ppl and honor. So, what happens? Here the results come below: 1.1) PPL would put real-life money investment into game to en-power the force in game. Hiring ppl to work or fight for them, buying ISK or anyother purchase-able, and DONATE it to whoever needs it to fight the INTRUDORS. 1.2) PPL might quit their jobs, in the name of HONOR, to WORK 24 hours per day for their victory, just like some of the Europeans might quit their job to attend FIFA as i've heard. Any of u guys would do that? guess not. 1.3) You see, when none of the forces could ever make the Chinese ppl feel risky, then we fight with each other. PPL would devided into small groups and fight each other no matter if u r Chinese or not. However, when a strong force comes and might put ANY Chinese ppl in danger, we get united and fight back. That MIGHT makes 5.5k/6k ppl in Chinese server to get themselves involved into the war, but how much percentage of the pilots of the 25k in TQ would join the war? 2) Valuation Well, i'm really sad to say, but, there are a huge number of Chinese player who earns very little, or completely NO income, would spend a large amount of money on games. They might consider an MP3 player that costs $30 too expensive, but they would gladly purchase something $300 worth in game. PPL could spent 8k RMB (which about $1k) to buy a pet in MMO, or 5k RMB (about $600) to buy items / equipments in game PER MONTH. Don't doubt it, it really happens. I'm not saying that Chinese ppl have a lot of money, in fact, a lot of them don't earn that much from salary. However, they might buy something really expensive in game, and make themselves very happy to eat potatoes everyday for 3 monthes or even longer. Crazy enough? 3) Cheat / MOD / Macro Personally, that's the thing I hate the most. Just like what i've mentioned above, ppl might earn so little, and they take the game too seriously. So, how can ppl ever possibly get rich or strong in the shortest period of time, which means less cost and investment? As you may guessed, and i think there is no need for me to explain that. However, that ruins the financial environment and balance of the game really quickly as the matter of fact. But who cares? I wanna fight! I wanna kill! The heck with the trading guys? Just get out of the universe if u don't like the way, or become one of us. I don't know if anyone would read this post, but, I am a Chinese player, and I hate the way Chinese player take the game. That's why I came to TQ about 4 months ago. I'm glad that TQ is running the way it is. After all, i'm looking for fun in EVE, not a war or another job after my work.
that suks	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:35:00 - [101] Edited by: that suks on 17/11/2006 06:35:32 **** alt stikes again!
Digitalfox Central Defiance Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:36:00 - [102] It really is intristing to hear of the on goings of the chinese server. As the the who would be whome question, I think it would all depend on the server it takes place on. Under the general play style of the TQ serve I belive an evenly SP team of TQ player would beat an equaly SP'd team of Chinese players. This is due to the fact that the chinese would be limited in prodution of ships and other means making the lose of ships and equipment to high for them to maintain for long without the support of out of game purchases and large corperate like backings. Under the play style of the Chinese server the chinese would most likly come out on top of an equily skilled fight due to the fact that the large backing of the corps and generaly free ship programs and outsourced resorce colletion ie macros and purchased items would be to great for a team of TQ players to withstand. How ever I belive the TQ team could to quit a bit of damage and general annoyance to the Chinese team, due not to the fact that the chinese lack any skill but just do the the fact that alot of TQ players have alot of experiance in skirmish warfare. Take corperations like Burn Eden, love em or hate em they have nearly prefected the art of hit and run warfare and dictating the terms on wich a fight is held. You can field a 300 man fleet but a handful of well cordated strikes where you pop 1-2 ships at a time and then move on or strike again quick and unexpected can be a real nasty thorn to have in ones side. The differance in play styles of the two servers is far to vast to dictate who would win, it would all come down to tactics of both sides as well as the grounds on which the fight would take place. I'm just waiting for the first major corp theft or major scam to hit, just imagin the billions one could net form targeting the major controling corperation in what essential boils down to the only two alliances in game. Come on someone get greedy! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Central Defiance is always recruiting, check out or movie DEFY
Fujiko Murakama	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:53:00 - [103] bring on the chinese, as far as war goes tq qould pwn them thier arrogance would be the cause of our unification that and the fact that its ez to hurt big alliances if ur good at gang roaming pvp just dont engage the uber blob
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.17 08:36:00 - [104] Everyone seems to focus on a hypothetical war between Serenity and Tranquility, which will never happen. If anything, technical reasons prevent that. I'd be much more interested in hearing how the situation in Serenity could be fixed. Because it sure is broken right now. One alliance dominating 0.0 must be **** boring, and they must have virtually infinite resources right now. Nothing can challenge them. Unless they splinter, the situation has no exit that I can see, barring GM intervention.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.17 09:48:00 - [105] not unless eve china collapses from no players and for some reason TQ access is opened up to them - but as stated a lot of chinesse english speaking players now play eve TQ, why because it isnt all obsessional there is a lot of casual individualistic gamers ( despite the hardcore PVPvers versus the carebear) CCP has made it such that 0.0 alliances take their high value items to empire to sell to the mission runners that feed empire markets t2 items and then outsourced needs are shipped back to 0.0 via frieghters and carriers. Having low sec is also good as an intermediate but underpopulated area due to the lack of 12 hour jumpclones ( 24 hours is just to much) and gate campers essentially choking points ( more access would probably equal more trade and movement if ppl didnt get uber pawned when they entereed) this is basically is what stopping low sec population That and all the 13 year olds that want PVP PVP PVP without much PVE. and get real nasty when there are no targets ( me me generation) whereas older players yes we do PVP but we select our times and also engage in a lot of PVE and industry
Nelix Trist Caldari Nostromo Industries	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:03:00 - [106] Sounds fun all of this. My have to try and get in there some how! Hounestly (sp) I would like to see, TQ vs SRNTY. I know we would kick butt on skill alone. I mean, look at when BOB with a 50 man fleet took on GOON with a 200-300 man fleet and won... thats kinda the same as TQ vs SRNTY. Emm?"Cant touch this" den der der dum, der dum der dum KILLING THE BUG'S, BEFORE THEY KILL YOU Un-nerfing you sig is bad mmmmkay - Xorus RAWRRR!111 - Immy-Poos
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:09:00 - [107] Anyone else see the irony in the communists using capitalism to win? ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:18:00 - [108] Calling the chinese communist i pretty much like calling the USA a bunch of slavers. They have come a long way and are pretty much capitalistic by now. They still have no democracy per se, but they are getting there .. slowly... -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:34:00 - [109] Edited by: Naran Darkmood on 17/11/2006 10:34:47 Originally by: Thor Xian Anyone else see the irony in the communists using capitalism to win? The only thing red left in China is the national flagg. (That's a quote from a Chinese buisness partner) Originally by: Patch86 How ironic that "****" (polish) is filtered, but "arse" and "ass" are not. No polish swearing on these English language only forums, or bannage!
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:53:00 - [110] this thread is veering onto political issues back to eve realted issues their skills are way behind that of the TQ and any link up would probably lead to zerg versus well fitted ( of course this would change if characters could be brought and sold) would just be a mess as it is Moving back to TQ - i would like to see more promotion within america, south america asia (ex china) we need more japanesse players on here (perhaps a manga type feel about the game), heck australia has WOW perhaps CCP should contact Aussie PC user and tell em there are alternatives other than WOW ( or WOB world of borecraft) get em to run a feature article i have tried but never get any responses. New Zuland ( kiwi land) i notice a lot of south african players of course russia already likes eve then u have europe so a lot of expansion is capabale either way.
Angelis666 Amarr Atomic Heroes Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:36:00 - [111] Edited by: Angelis666 on 17/11/2006 11:36:56 Originally by: Miss Overlord this thread is veering onto political issues back to eve realted issues their skills are way behind that of the TQ and any link up would probably lead to zerg versus well fitted ( of course this would change if characters could be brought and sold) would just be a mess as it is Moving back to TQ - i would like to see more promotion within america, south america asia (ex china) we need more japanesse players on here (perhaps a manga type feel about the game), heck australia has WOW perhaps CCP should contact Aussie PC user and tell em there are alternatives other than WOW ( or WOB world of borecraft) get em to run a feature article i have tried but never get any responses. New Zuland ( kiwi land) i notice a lot of south african players of course russia already likes eve then u have europe so a lot of expansion is capabale either way. I take offense at that! WOB is worldwide not Australiawide :) If you give a man a fire he will be warm for a night, Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Digiblast Minmatar Murini Ice Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:14:00 - [112] If the Chinese Big Allainces don't break down into more and smaller groups.... Then that just means one Thing.... WE ON TQ must be frecking greedy and have to many Powerfreaks that want to Rule. And I'm one of Them MUWHAHAAA I WANNA BLOODY KILL YOU ALL MUWHAHAHAHAHA
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.17 16:18:00 - [113] Originally by: Digiblast I WANNA BLOODY KILL YOU ALL MUWHAHAHAHAHA "Get in line." ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.17 17:47:00 - [114] only real big difference I see is that on our server if a massive sustained battle such as this occured then I would see them winning only because I can see for many after say 2 or 3 bs losses insurance cost fitting cost clone cost how many would be bringing out their next bs? Yes alot here have globs of isk and then their are the rest of us. hehe we live day by day scrapping by usually spending all we have on that next cool ship. Last thought. What is more effecient. 1. Group a that is large it's members are split into splinter sects that each usually have a set of bpo's pos's and overhead costs. 2. Group b that combines their efforts. They pool ALL their isk (not just some of it) they use this massive buying power to purchase lets say 2 of each bs bpo 2 of each cruiser ect and keeps those bpo's in production 23/7. That right there is how much isk saved? They have dedicated miners, the miners are paid well and do just that mine out of honor or whatever, they have dedicated protection personel that take care of the miners needs, they have dedicated pvp specialists that take care of the protectors. There is no anamosity between the different groups cause they all have their role in the picture. There is NO call to arms simply because those people are ALLWAYS called thats what they do. The miners do what they do ect. Anyway I dont like the playstyle of group b. And wouldn't want to be a part of it. But who would win? I believe it's obvious myself. To make a comparison. Think of a lvl 4 mission. The way we play is sort of like a regular lvl 4 mission you agress 1 group and the other group sits there watching waiting it's turn to be agressed even though (if they had a brain) they KNOW they are next. The way I see the convos on how they play is a lvl 4 mission you warp in and the entire group attacks you suiciding into you with whatever predetermined roles they have for the better of the whole. just a personal opinion. Skills have little to do with it. We arent talkin about a crap load of t1 frigs here they are in bs's maybe they dont have lvl 5 torp. But then again if they were told to make a pvp char then they dont have 1sp on mining either. Nor does their miner have 1 pt in sp to protect himself.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:03:00 - [115] very interesting nice stuff:) Well i dont know how would it go but would be interesting to meet our worlds....if hardware would be capable of it.. I guess we should let us lead by bob and mc , they are the best at big fleets. - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:53:00 - [116] well you can like or dislike BOB but they are great pvpers with great FC, you cant deny this.... - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:56:00 - [117] If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ***** pathetic. Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
hattifnatt Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:19:00 - [118] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. This is true. 400x120@24000 Bytes Maximum please. -Capsicum ___ /o.0\ \___/ <-- This is Jigglypuff!! [
Soriss	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:32:00 - [119] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. I belive so too. However I woudn't want to fight a corp that consists of 50 guys that have this mindset. Not to mention an alliance formed of a couple of thousands.
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:21:00 - [120] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. Guess it depends how crappy your job is :)

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