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Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:20:35 Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:18:42 After the beta test the universe had go straight to the duel of 2 Unions of Aliences...Say North + Southwest and East + Southeast + west. Today, all stations of East + Southeast + west Union had lost all their outposts or the Southeast area and soon, the last place remain for them is the Foutain. Controled my the Imgod(e.g. Aowar corp) Corp, the slaughterman from shadowbane(another MMO they declareed war to everyone in the server).
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:16:00 - [2] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP After the beta test the universe had go straight to the duel of 2 Unions of Aliences...Say North + Southwest and East + Southeast + west. Today, all stations of East + Southeast + west Union had lost all their outposts or the Southeast area and soon, the last place remain for them is the Foutain. Controled my the Imgod(e.g. Aowar corp) Corp, the slaughterman from shadowbane. Translation, please? --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions The Game - You just lost it
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:19:00 - [3] Roll on dreadnoughts _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Daidalus	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:19:00 - [4] Chinese Bob won only 1 region left Fountain of all regions.
Nukeitall Nukeitall Coterie	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Daidalus Chinese Bob won only 1 region left Fountain of all regions. I wonder if they are prone to using information warfare also. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:24:00 - [6] "Our Land"
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Daidalus Chinese Bob won ... --------- Boryokudan Recruitment. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Pryce Czech	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:25:00 - [8] Don't let Molle see that, the envy will cause him to open a wormhole and attack.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:26:00 - [9] It's OK. I am sure before long, they will set up committees.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:35:55 Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:35:39 Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:35:25 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Daidalus Chinese Bob won ... Infact, the main force cause this is the Navy of North Alience. Not the "BOB"
Lysit Kaune	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:35:55 Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:35:39 Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:35:25 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Daidalus Chinese Bob won ... Infact, the main force cause this is the Navy of North Alience. Not the "BOB" Navy Of North Alliance? NONA? Sounds like BOB's girlfriend
The Ratfink Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:38:00 - [12] Edited by: The Ratfink on 15/11/2006 21:38:02 Edited by: The Ratfink on 15/11/2006 21:37:47 doh
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:40:00 - [13] The real question about this NONA - what is their war-winning cookie-cutter? MWD blaster Thorax? AC Rupture? Interceptor wolf-packs? Do they fit nos and ECM to everything?
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:43:51 Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:43:17 Originally by: Cmdr Sy The real question about this NONA - what is their war-winning cookie-cutter? MWD blaster Thorax? AC Rupture? Interceptor wolf-packs? Do they fit nos and ECM to everything? what do u mean winning cookie-cutter?
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP what do u mean winning cookie-cutter? What is the most common ship setup in their fleets?
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 15/11/2006 21:52:23 Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Edelweiss ZP what do u mean winning cookie-cutter? What is the most common ship setup in their fleets? Gangs like 100 Battleships + 5 some sort Frigate.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Battleships OK, but what type, and set up how? Is it all sniper blob wars with Megathrons and Tempests, or do they prefer to fight up close? Are Gankageddons used a lot? Are Ravens the most common type of battleship? Do they use Fraps?
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Pryce Czech Don't let Molle see that, the envy will cause him to open a wormhole and attack. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:55:00 - [19] How many outposts are there now btw? The ones built by players. -------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
The Ratfink Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.15 21:57:00 - [20] Im simply amazed there are less chinese players than Enslavers alts oh wait no im not...
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Battleships OK, but what type, and set up how? Is it all sniper blob wars with Megathrons and Tempests, or do they prefer to fight up close? Are Gankageddons used a lot? Are Ravens the most common type of battleship? Do they use Fraps? all types as we don't have time to learn more than one fation of ship skill. Usually Mega Temp Scorp Raven APOC Gaddon War rangewithin 100km many many many sorts. will prefer Domi when tiny war.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:01:00 - [22] So someone won EVE China? Well..........either they'll all set up a wonderful war-less utopia, where they'll all get bored and eventually all go play something else. Or They'll all get bored even quicker, and they'll splinter and declare war on each other and the circle of life will continue. Shocking, that. -----------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:01:00 - [23] 1. Chinese uberalliance wins. 2. Uberalliance fractures. 3. ??? 4. More fighting! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:02:00 - [24] Originally by: The Enslaver How many outposts are there now btw? The ones built by players. Done is 2 don't know howmany is building maybe 4 at least.
Deovina	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:03:00 - [25] Edited by: Deovina on 15/11/2006 22:09:10 I always wondered about the demographics of the players. Are they mostly students? Or who has access and the time to play so much? :) Seems like that EVE-China had way too many resources and too effective tools to harvest them seeded from the start. PS: I love that report about whats doing on.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:03:00 - [26] Are they actually able to control those areas aswell?
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Patch86 So someone won EVE China? Well..........either they'll all set up a wonderful war-less utopia, where they'll all get bored and eventually all go play something else. Or They'll all get bored even quicker, and they'll splinter and declare war on each other and the circle of life will continue. Shocking, that. What I think mostly will happen is mostly ppl feel bored(already) and the HUGE size Guild leave the game. And the map becomes too big for those unorganised ppl, feel more bored and all gone...It's like EQ2 in China.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way. I suppose it matters what percentage of the 6000 are in the controlling alliance. ;) It doesn't take much to hold all the 00 entry gates. Say, not more than 10 people per gate. And there are what, like 30-35 such gates? If not less. The Deeper you stick it in your vien, the deeper the thoughts there is no more pain.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way. well they use marco to mine the ice it's like all system which has a outpost are full of POS all moon! THEY have 80+ POS in One system crazy!
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way. I suppose it matters what percentage of the 6000 are in the controlling alliance. ;) It doesn't take much to hold all the 00 entry gates. Say, not more than 10 people per gate. And there are what, like 30-35 such gates? If not less. why need to hold the 00 entry gates if u holds all outpost? prevent the animy rating? rating is not the problem in Chinese server. they don't want to hold any 0.0 space they just kill everyone in their sight and holds the outpost is the winner.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Scorpyn Are they actually able to control those areas aswell? With what, 6000 online? No way. well they use marco to mine the ice it's like all system which has a outpost are full of POS all moon! THEY have 80+ POS in One system crazy! At least it means that they probably spread out a bit more...
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.15 22:54:00 - [33] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 15/11/2006 22:55:05 Originally by: Edelweiss ZP why need to hold the 00 entry gates if u holds all outpost? prevent the animy rating? rating is not the problem in Chinese server. they don't want to hold any 0.0 space they just kill everyone in their sight and holds the outpost is the winner. Sounds like a gap in the market for something like -V- Alliance. A competent group of raiders based in NPC-sovereignty 0.0 would quickly teach them that possessing a station without controlling access and egress from local space is a dumb idea.
Morfane Privateers	Posted - 2006.11.15 23:59:00 - [34] Are there any significant groups of pirates? It sounds as if fast, roaming pirates could clean up.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Morfane Are there any significant groups of pirates? It sounds as if fast, roaming pirates could clean up. TBH I think that if regular eve pirates had a chance to work in the eve-china environment, they'd clean house. It would be like a modern criminal going back in time to the wild west when there wern't any radios, telephones and helicopters to track you down. Due to the low pop density, the lack of infrastructure etc. It would be really easy to fly all over the place and make big hit and run attacks. Because I said so...
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:17:00 - [36] Kinda depends on how fanitical, dedicated, and vengefull the players of the alliance are. I have read stuff (no personal experience) of some pretty extreem stuff. Say your corp attacks someone in the alliance they chase your corp down till they have you cornered in a dead end area and camp you 23/7. Then keep it up perminately. Would kind of send a message to other pirate corps I would think. Not a fun way to play but anyway to some they dont play for fun. also a question is it 6000 online? or is it 6000 subs? If it's 6000 online I remember the first 2 years I played with fewer people online than that on the best days.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.16 00:48:00 - [37] Just an aside, thanks for keeping us up to date on our Chinese counterparts Edelweiss, its good to have a source in their game telling us how its unfolding . Really quite fascinating stuff. "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur
Imperil Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:06:00 - [38] I wish I could play on the Chinese server.
Tonkin Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:10:00 - [39] **** only one region left. it couldnt happen in our eve. lol you could see all the peeps joing on the nona bandwagon, and the fountain peeps have 100 players left and the 5900 other players are in nona lol. eve come to a end there by the looks of it. send us lot in there hehehehe or have a tournament with them. Sig removed, you sig was too ubber to display and ccp had no choice but to nerf it - CCP(NERFBAT)
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:12:00 - [40] To think it was only 3 months ago that Molle started playing "Mandarine in 21 days" audio tapes to us over TS.. :)
The Ratfink Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:12:00 - [41] Hello?? They are going around in 0.0 space conquering regions one corp are all like "we like region we like to very much take it" how is that the same as camping gates in 0.4 going and stuff and ransoming
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:21:00 - [42] I actually find it quite interesting that one alliance has managed to dominate all but one region . That, and I also find the fact that people don't care about territory really shocking, just station combat ? "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:39:00 - [43] Well, U guys are saying if don't camp then died quickly by pirate? In fact, in the chinese server all ppl have 0km BMs and we all look at Local and have warp core stabilizers. Most important, WE DON'T Have Pirates! As from the begining of beta test the WAR between those two BIG unions never stop. All over the MAP, all killed if we see a white/red name and that's called "Harvest" from every morning until server down, three times a day. And the Chinese Pirate are all subcorps of the Large Unions, never seen a neutral one and you just cannot be neutral if u wanna pass 0.0, as both side will kill you for fun. I had never seen any gangs more than 3ppl being pirate in my game time(ignore those died one), if a member get killed by a pirate, u just need to sent the killmail and insurace to the CEO than u can get a new equiped one. However u will be despise by everyone as most pirate are noobs in the chinese server. On the forum of the official webside, lots noob are camplaining that they cannot get into 0.0, or killed by the corps. It is dangerous to get into 0.0 as what u gain will always less than your loss.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:56:00 - [44] sounds like an extreme version of XETIC - with the lack of players atm one alliance has taken like 90% of the players - oiutpost building ice mining etc - a smaller group is in place but otherwise noobs and others are just a smattering across the map In this circumstance unless war becomes entrenched the majority alliance will continue to hold sway until an internal breakup becomes likley What could lead to such a move the early days of BOB harassing the big boys - pure PVP outfit taking morale toll on the big boys - spies lol fostering internal divisions and disinformation - the emergence of strong identities within - would be required to split an alliance. Apparently the empire component over on Serentiy as most players are still noobs would be minimal they are all in 0.0 getting the most vaulable stuff. Not until the player numbers go up and the vets form smaller alliances will noober players come thro and settle empire ( like we have now) the slow progression over time deeper and deeper in to 0.0 like a tiered system Explains some of the elements anyway
mechtech	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:06:00 - [45] It sounds like there aren't enough players to set up specialized corps to raid the 2 alliances space, even with the odds against them. I'm sure if someone on serenity created a pirate corp with the goal of staying neutral in the big war and killing everyone they find, they could be very annoying even to the alliances. What pirates need is to be able to get in, cause damage, and get out before backup arrives. This usually requires interceptors and heavy assault cruisers, which can take alot of skills to be proficient in. Once people get the hit and run tactics down, they should start enjoying to fight vs greater odds.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:07:00 - [46] WTT: Serenity industrialists for Tranquility pirates . "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Miss Overlord sounds like an extreme version of XETIC - with the lack of players atm one alliance has taken like 90% of the players - oiutpost building ice mining etc - a smaller group is in place but otherwise noobs and others are just a smattering across the map In this circumstance unless war becomes entrenched the majority alliance will continue to hold sway until an internal breakup becomes likley What could lead to such a move the early days of BOB harassing the big boys - pure PVP outfit taking morale toll on the big boys - spies lol fostering internal divisions and disinformation - the emergence of strong identities within - would be required to split an alliance. Apparently the empire component over on Serentiy as most players are still noobs would be minimal they are all in 0.0 getting the most vaulable stuff. Not until the player numbers go up and the vets form smaller alliances will noober players come thro and settle empire ( like we have now) the slow progression over time deeper and deeper in to 0.0 like a tiered system Explains some of the elements anyway That's not right, those big Alience only contains 1/3 or 1/4 Online ppl, but as most Chinese ppl are unlikely to be organise(i.e. they are more likely to work in the NPC corp and don't like any rules or join any player's corp, but wanna to get into 0.0) simply ignore them. As they wanna to be fare to everyone with no pain.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:14:00 - [48] Originally by: mechtech It sounds like there aren't enough players to set up specialized corps to raid the 2 alliances space, even with the odds against them. I'm sure if someone on serenity created a pirate corp with the goal of staying neutral in the big war and killing everyone they find, they could be very annoying even to the alliances. What pirates need is to be able to get in, cause damage, and get out before backup arrives. This usually requires interceptors and heavy assault cruisers, which can take alot of skills to be proficient in. Once people get the hit and run tactics down, they should start enjoying to fight vs greater odds. Yes, it will be annoying but for those pirates, where their ship from? Big Alience's worrior is just worrior, don't need to worry about the money and ship non mods, but a group of pirates, to fight with those Pro worriors? with bigger lose and no free reimburse? Do you think such thing will last long?
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:18:00 - [49] awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P Originally by: Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed...
Lorette Gallente Grandma's WIth Guns	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:46:00 - [50] Wow so soon its just going to be 100% PvE , if one alliance holds all of 0.0 it will make EVE pretty boring. Id expect the big alliance to split into smaller alliances and start picking out areas to call their own...then bring on the fighting again.
Takaharu Tsuyoshi	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Sovereign533 awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P Sadly probably china by number alone.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Lorette Id expect the big alliance to split into smaller alliances and start picking out areas to call their own...then bring on the fighting again. This is another thing which is unlikely to happen as those corps member had play game together for years and core members even know each other in the real life. As most of the biggest corp are formed by this way and called Online Game Guild some of them will have around 6 years history. For a long history Online Game Guild, they will have Triditional Enemy/Friend...which is why the Chinese EVE go straight to the duel.
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:56:00 - [53] There's no question, if we were to dump the MC into Serenity, give them whatever they wanted for their troubles, and say "kill everyone". You can be sure they would. Our playerbase has vastly higher SP, vastly higher experience at fitting and combat. There's just no way for a group of players flying mostly T1 ships with mostly T1 fittings, no capital ships, to hold ground against a group of players with Tech 2 BS, fully T2 everything, and the skills to fly capitals. Top that off with years of combat experience and full knowledge of all tactics available, and TQ owns Serenity. - - -
pylons38 Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Sovereign533 awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P raises hand I'm Chinese :D
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Aterna There's no question, if we were to dump the MC into Serenity, give them whatever they wanted for their troubles, and say "kill everyone". You can be sure they would. Our playerbase has vastly higher SP, vastly higher experience at fitting and combat. There's just no way for a group of players flying mostly T1 ships with mostly T1 fittings, no capital ships, to hold ground against a group of players with Tech 2 BS, fully T2 everything, and the skills to fly capitals. Top that off with years of combat experience and full knowledge of all tactics available, and TQ owns Serenity. I think ur wrong, yes the ppl who play in TQ might have more this and that but how many of them really have the experience of more than 100 ppl's battle and how many times? T2 are good thing but 2 far expensive. Last question, will TQ ppl get free ships if they killed by Serenity even the capital ships? Anyway if u assume the whold TQ can become a union of 25k ppl against 6k ppl. I will have no word as the Serenity Navy will not be more than 2000.
pylons38 Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:12:00 - [56] There have been 200 man battles here in TQ. They have quite a lot of experience with fleet warfare.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:15:00 - [57] Originally by: pylons38 There have been 200 man battles here in TQ. They have quite a lot of experience with fleet warfare. have been is not good enough..should be every day... we have been 800 man battles...and the server just up and down...and get memory back 4 times a day!!
Taizu Lilith Minmatar Counterglow Kancho Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:28:00 - [58] It seems like the Chinese might be a little more intense.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:36:00 - [59] Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Originally by: Aterna There's no question, if we were to dump the MC into Serenity, give them whatever they wanted for their troubles, and say "kill everyone". You can be sure they would. Our playerbase has vastly higher SP, vastly higher experience at fitting and combat. There's just no way for a group of players flying mostly T1 ships with mostly T1 fittings, no capital ships, to hold ground against a group of players with Tech 2 BS, fully T2 everything, and the skills to fly capitals. Top that off with years of combat experience and full knowledge of all tactics available, and TQ owns Serenity. I think ur wrong, yes the ppl who play in TQ might have more this and that but how many of them really have the experience of more than 100 ppl's battle and how many times? T2 are good thing but 2 far expensive. Last question, will TQ ppl get free ships if they killed by Serenity even the capital ships? Anyway if u assume the whold TQ can become a union of 25k ppl against 6k ppl. I will have no word as the Serenity Navy will not be more than 2000. You know the old saying......numbers alone don't win a battle. Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Areconus You know the old saying......numbers alone don't win a battle. numbers do, camping bothside with 200 pll, we jump to your side, all get lost via server restart. got another 50 jump in, controls the gate.. Don't know if this happens in TQ, it always happens in our server.
Himani Yeshua Caldari PezCo - Ice Services United Connection's	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Taizu Lilith It seems like the Chinese might be a little more intense. No, I think they only think they're more intense. Oh, you've been playing together for 6 years? Congrats and prepare to be podded. If TQ had to fight Serenity, TQ would absolutely pwn. SP matters.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:51:00 - [63] it happens with 50-100 here
Zulak Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 16/11/2006 03:37:28 Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward on their guild forums, the core member of his corp are his employee..lol), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney. 1 million rmb is about 127k in U.S dollars I guess. I have heard about the Cp for timecode thing though, which is kind of nutz. And when you start spending so much real money on a video game, you basically just ruins it, as you are now paying some guy salary to play on your side of alliance, lol. Back to Tranquality I go I guess, I think EVE does its best on smaller scale. Then again, they are just dueling, then they will declare victory, get bored and leave, and the rest of the players who do not play for real life money will be the ones to reveal the potential of eve.
Zulak Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:10:00 - [65] Edited by: Zulak on 16/11/2006 04:13:38 DP
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:12:00 - [66] OT double post but agree with youre sentiments slightly
Tricit Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:31:00 - [67] Edited by: Tricit on 16/11/2006 04:31:52 I know I am newer than Serenity, but the fact is, there are 2 Titans here, a lot motherships capable of yielding over a ten thousand fighters alone. On top of this, a couple thousand Carriers and Dreadnoughts. This would add up to 2 Titans, a few thousand Carrier/Mothership tanks yielding over 30 thousand fighter drones and enough dreadnoughts to siege an Empire if it were allowed. If they allowed, and all capital pilots got together, the Tranquility Capital fleet would sweep Empire and win within a month. I don't see how Serenity would stand a chance. Not to mention, we have several several several SEVERAl thousand battleship pilots. Probably enough to stand up against the entire capital fleet. I don't think Serenity would stand a chance. If you got a high powered server and let people invest into a 30 system battlefield, we would probably win. I, myself, would go in just for fun.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:43:00 - [68] Originally by: Tricit Edited by: Tricit on 16/11/2006 04:31:52 I know I am newer than Serenity, but the fact is, there are 2 Titans here, a lot motherships capable of yielding over a ten thousand fighters alone. On top of this, a couple thousand Carriers and Dreadnoughts. This would add up to 2 Titans, a few thousand Carrier/Mothership tanks yielding over 30 thousand fighter drones and enough dreadnoughts to siege an Empire if it were allowed. If they allowed, and all capital pilots got together, the Tranquility Capital fleet would sweep Empire and win within a month. I don't see how Serenity would stand a chance. Not to mention, we have several several several SEVERAl thousand battleship pilots. Probably enough to stand up against the entire capital fleet. I don't think Serenity would stand a chance. If you got a high powered server and let people invest into a 30 system battlefield, we would probably win. I, myself, would go in just for fun. I agree. Our capital ship fleet alone would decimate them. Then our non-capitals, the majority of the people, would clean up the scraps. Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Tricit Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:48:00 - [69] Edited by: Tricit on 16/11/2006 04:48:12 And for reference for anyone who is unaware, a fully skilled fighter drone is the equivilent of a pimped out high skill cruiser. The drones alone are enough to eliminate any number of people between 2000-4000
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:49:00 - [70] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 16/11/2006 04:50:51 Yeah, if you were to bring your SP and ships over, sure. But how about if you just start with new accounts, say get a serious PvP team over there, give them new accounts and a couple months to build up, then set them loose on this NONA alliance, what then? Would they still win? Be able to harrass? ETC. It sounds like what happened is a large group farmed 24/7 and accumulated enough ISK and resources to get way past the threshhold where anyone can take them down. Don't even know if anyone wants to, either. We're very Gallente here, I guess they're very Caldari over there. It's fun for us to harrass something like NONA just for the heck of it here; it's probably not over there.
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 05:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Letouk Mernel We're very Gallente here, I guess they're very Caldari over there. Well put. Sounds to me like there's a level of tenacity and dedication on the part of a fairly small group that's allowing them to dominate most arenas of competition. I suspect that a larger general population and the gradual development of infrastructure and skills will allow the Serenity galaxy to catch up with NONA eventually, assuming that people keep signing on to play with the spectre of NONA putting a glass ceiling on everything. With automated mining artificially multiplying the industrial power of the alliance, it'll be a very long time before they're threatened in any meaningful way. -------------- Civis Ascendant Sum
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 09:02:00 - [72] Originally by: Tricit Edited by: Tricit on 16/11/2006 04:31:52 I know I am newer than Serenity, but the fact is, there are 2 Titans here, a lot motherships capable of yielding over a ten thousand fighters alone. On top of this, a couple thousand Carriers and Dreadnoughts. This would add up to 2 Titans, a few thousand Carrier/Mothership tanks yielding over 30 thousand fighter drones and enough dreadnoughts to siege an Empire if it were allowed. If they allowed, and all capital pilots got together, the Tranquility Capital fleet would sweep Empire and win within a month. I don't see how Serenity would stand a chance. Not to mention, we have several several several SEVERAl thousand battleship pilots. Probably enough to stand up against the entire capital fleet. I don't think Serenity would stand a chance. If you got a high powered server and let people invest into a 30 system battlefield, we would probably win. I, myself, would go in just for fun. what is the point of compairing these two server, tq is about three and a half years old, the chinese one less then a year, so ofc our sp are mostly tripple them but thats not like a good argument, the thing would be intresting gettin a starter char there, training up for ics, and having a 10men gang over there ics only and see how good u do.
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.16 09:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Originally by: Letouk Mernel We're very Gallente here, I guess they're very Caldari over there. Well put. Sounds to me like there's a level of tenacity and dedication on the part of a fairly small group that's allowing them to dominate most arenas of competition. I suspect that a larger general population and the gradual development of infrastructure and skills will allow the Serenity galaxy to catch up with NONA eventually, assuming that people keep signing on to play with the spectre of NONA putting a glass ceiling on everything. With automated mining artificially multiplying the industrial power of the alliance, it'll be a very long time before they're threatened in any meaningful way. This is a major point actually. I'm having difficulty believing there is not a HUGE amount of alliance sponsored macromining going on.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 09:20:00 - [74] Originally by: Takaharu Tsuyoshi Originally by: Sovereign533 awww... they should open the Eve portal to the Chinese server... and then let the battles begin... TQ vs China's Server,(whatever the name is)... who do you think would win? :P and how many on our Tranquility Server will betray us, and join the Chinese? :P Sadly probably china by number alone. Wed decimate them actually, apart from the fact that we have three times their online numbers we also have dreads, much more tech 2 and much better skills. Not to mention a lot more experienced fleet commanders. The real problem would be actually fighting each other though, timezones and all ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.16 09:44:00 - [75] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP And the Chinese Pirate are all subcorps of the Large Unions, never seen a neutral one and you just cannot be neutral if u wanna pass 0.0, as both side will kill you for fun. This is interesting all by itself. The rest is just data tables. This is EVE where everyone is tied to someone else some kind of way, which may really undermine the online Occidental tendency towards anomie. Now the pressure is on to incorporate debt, overhead, or anything else that can incite players to betrayal, subterfuge, and conspiracy. --- Private Investment should preceed Public Investment
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.16 11:36:00 - [76] Originally by: Miss Overlord it happens with 50-100 here It's really funny, before the war, we have to tell the GM and when we are at war, the GM will fly nearby and make sure the system get enough momery resources, if the server restart, It's the GM to make the POS/Outpost's HP to the number before the start(when server restart, HP of POS and outpost goes back to full...)
Demarcus Project Gemini Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Originally by: Patch86 So someone won EVE China? Well..........either they'll all set up a wonderful war-less utopia, where they'll all get bored and eventually all go play something else. Or They'll all get bored even quicker, and they'll splinter and declare war on each other and the circle of life will continue. Shocking, that. What I think mostly will happen is mostly ppl feel bored(already) and the HUGE size Guild leave the game. And the map becomes too big for those unorganised ppl, feel more bored and all gone...It's like EQ2 in China. So your saying the Chinese have no attention span? They have a huge long boring wall that begs to differ :P ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Lifeguard Hoff	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:17:00 - [78] Well, they are like two different groups of ants, just focusing on the other side. Unintresting & mindless. And yes, TQ pvpers would own them anyday... Let the games begin
DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:27:00 - [79] playing on test server with a gallante carrier,it squashed a dread(dread wasn't fighting back)in no time 15 fighters firing every 4 to 5 seconds damage was 470 to 1000 each overall DPS of 1800 from just one ship,probably trash a BS in less than 30 secs ? so imagine 50 carriers and other capital ships lets go over to serenity mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
Razor Jaxx Minus Ten	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 16/11/2006 03:37:28 Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward on their guild forums, the core member of his corp are his employee..lol), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney. I find it ironic that successful corps on the Chinese server apparently rely on paid labor and an extreme capitalistic structure, while success stories on the "Western world" server are mostly based on more communist principles (ie the corp is the greater entity, and wealth/ideals are largely shared - viz. BoB corps, D2 corps such as CE, ASW, etc.). Looks like the Chinese server could use a few free-spirited rebels with a shared ideal and a keen sense for survival, otherwise it's going to get boring fast over there.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:39:00 - [81] How could you possibly connect the two servers without ruining the fiction of EVE (but then again, I'm not sure about how much impact pod pilots have on the fiction of EVE currently anyway, since there's two servers, and two serpeate pod pilot histories going on in EVE's fiction right now.)? Any storyline excuse would end up being really flimsy. The only way I think you could go about it is via a third, non-canon cluster, similar to Singularity.
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:39:00 - [82] I'm a little hyped up cause im listening to Songs for Sanity - Damaged (http://www.john-5.com/home.php <- just open that and you'll hear what I mean) but it's making me want to somehow connect Tranquility with the chinese server, and we all unite and attack the bastards! RAAAAAAA!!! BAAHAHAHAHAHA CHAAAAARGE!! Okay im crazy, but it sounds like fun to me...then after we're done, we can go back to attacking each other. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:41:00 - [83] yeah let both sides colonize a singular solar system dont think it will happen tho
Raneru Gallente Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Li*uard Hoff Well, they are like two different groups of ants, just focusing on the other side. Unintresting & mindless. And yes, TQ pvpers would own them anyday... Let the games begin We could put that to the test. How about the winners of the Alliance Tournament next month faces the best team Serenity has to offer? Make it T1 only if that makes it more fair? How bout it CCP?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:58:00 - [85] This is interesting. It seems there are three types of people when talking about Serenity: The western 'cowboy' (assumes TQ would win due to higher player skill) The eastern soothsayer (assumes TQ would lose simply because Serenity is developing much stronger individual alliances) The apathetic (doesn't give a **** either way yet still seems to be unable to not state the fact whenever possible) You have to keep in mind that skills in Eve only go to lvl 5, so after a certain amount of sp there is no more in a given specialization to learn. And even if they only have mostly lvl 4, it is still pretty effective. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:53:00 - [86] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 16/11/2006 03:37:28 Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward on their guild forums, the core member of his corp are his employee..lol), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney. Not IGE by any chance? That's astonishing. It sounds like he's basically employing players to completely control the server, effectively buying out the game.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:45:00 - [87] Originally by: Vasiliyan That's astonishing. It sounds like he's basically employing players to completely control the server, effectively buying out the game. Which is pretty boring. Seems to me like there is a fundamental difference in gamer culture here - recreational gaming vs powergaming. I would guess most people on Tranquility are students and young professionals who put in their 4 hours per night, not even every night of the week. Over there, I would guess it's patrons of 24-hour Internet cafes, playing from one downtime to the next. The point when it becomes a job is bad enough, but when it has become a job for everyone else? I don't envy them.
Sean Dillon Caldari Snakes in a Pod	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:58:00 - [88] Those chinese all need to get a life I think. Playing 23/7 is bad.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:59:00 - [89] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/11/2006 00:02:46 So, if i understand right most of the big guild players there are just warriors that dont have to pay for their ships, just fight. They pay some RL money to their guid and everything ingame is taken care fo for them because the guild employs large amounts of macros for ICE and mining and stuff ? That about right ? If this is anywhere near true then it wont last long before that server dies. If the challenge of the road to the win button is not the motivation but only that win button itself then there simply is nothing in Eve for you. Old blog
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:05:00 - [90] Have you guys ever played the Chinese at any game.... Thay own, outright unless we go and hire the koreans we aint got a hope in hell
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:30:00 - [91] Originally by: albert camus Have you guys ever played the Chinese at any game.... Thay own, outright unless we go and hire the koreans we aint got a hope in hell That is a pretty big steriotype...... However when I lived in Korea for 2 years it is certainly different over there in terms of gaming... Every street(in Seoul) corner had cloudy rooms full of T1 connected computers with gamers literaly functioning like an ant colony. Playing them in Counterstrike was very fun with my friends. We were evenly matched in a FPS...it isnt like it is in their genetics to be good at gaming... Of course the big game that were out were not the MMO style ones now. Diablo 2, CS, EO2, warcraft were the ones most played. The internet cafes over there were nothing like over here. You could smoke cigs, drink beer, and generaly have a good time. As long as you werent bothering anyone you were good to go. In many instances that wasnt a problem because clans for FPS's would literally take over the entire room.(Since I was in the army at the time we would go down there as a squad and the good natured competition was intense to say the least)
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:38:00 - [92] Well heres the problem. If you played games against chines or koreans in the past.. there are tons and tons of players who can play 18h a day, and have no life outside the game. Furthermore, they have NO qualms with using any kind of hack/cheat/macro they can find, to gain an edge. So very rarely is it a very fun game. I would not want to be linked to that server. If you want to see how uber fun it is to play asian dominated MMRPGs, go play Lineage 2 or something. Yes its not hard to outthink blobs of asian powergamers, but it is very hard to out hack/macro/play 18 hours a day, if you have any sort of life or any sort of morals against cheating.
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:56:00 - [93] Edited by: Tobiaz on 17/11/2006 01:07:30 Originally by: Edelweiss ZP Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 16/11/2006 03:37:28 Something Interesting to say The winner corp's boss said he will spand 1 MILLION RMB into the game and infact most member in his corp can get time code via mining or leadering or buy using ISK,they call it CP(corp point, u can find all levels of cp relates to the reward on their guild forums, the core member of his corp are his employee..lol), things like that. He is the boss of a company in the USA which sells gamemoney. Sounds like they are not here to play, but just to take direct control of the game off which they make their RL money from. Paying players to fight/mine for you would then be nothing else then an investment. Thank god it's a different server! Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/11/2006 00:02:46 So, if i understand right most of the big guild players there are just warriors that dont have to pay for their ships, just fight. They pay some RL money to their guid and everything ingame is taken care fo for them because the guild employs large amounts of macros for ICE and mining and stuff ? That about right ? If this is anywhere near true then it wont last long before that server dies. If the challenge of the road to the win button is not the motivation but only that win button itself then there simply is nothing in Eve for you. It appears to me that the leaders are here to stay as long as CCP is not taking away the reason WHY en HOW they do it: IG money trading and macros. I read in one of the interviews CCP was gonna make a big move against the IG money traders in the near future. I really wonder how that's gonna influence Serenity if NONA's boss is really the owner of a IG money trader company (if i'd work for CCP i'd would find that rather insulting tbh ) Even more if CCP ever comes round to finally making the mining interface harder to macro. On a sidenote: All people here drooling how Tranq would nuke Serenity with their SP superiority and Cap ships are like adults, comparing their e-peen to that of infants, making them feel bigger Face it: Because of it's appearent hold on T2 production and how it has dedicated workers and fighters and an insane high participation level, I'm guessing NONA is likely to big and powerful to be taken on directly by any samesized Tranq alliance with similar SP and ships. Still... EVE is simply too big for even NONA: more then 3 years of EVE has shown that nothing lasts forever, because in the end it are all still just people playing a game and that tends to get boring if you happen to own a 'win'-button. Besides NONA on tranq would quickly become a 'NONA vs. the rest' with either NONA succumbing to all the sand Tranq players would throw in it's well-oiled macro&workerbee-fueled machine, or NONA comsuming everything and then crumbling from within. Even CYVOK couldn't make something like that work
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.17 02:19:00 - [94] God help the casual player that tries out EVE China. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
shakaZ XIV Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:04:00 - [95] Edited by: shakaZ XIV on 17/11/2006 04:04:49 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Wed decimate them actually, apart from the fact that we have three times their online numbers we also have dreads, much more tech 2 and much better skills. Not to mention a lot more experienced fleet commanders. No, we'd get decimated by them. They are 100x as fanatical as the players on TQ. And at the end of the day, that's all that counts to win in EVE (with gamemechanics being as they are). Over here, fleetbattles between the largest alliances happen what... once a week? That is something different than 3x 100 v 100 every day. Having an advantage in skillpoints/capitals/tech2 mean nothing when your opponent's ships are 100% expendable, and nonstop macromining and complexrunning means that they are. So what would you do against such a "machine"? Bottom line is, western playstyle is too individualistic to compete with people who play like this. But maybe the difference in playstyle also has to do with the fact that macro'ing isn't allowed here and seems to be the "norm" over there? Would people be willing to mine 23/7 for their alliance if it had to be done manually? Over here on TQ, it happens quite often that people "lose faith" in their alliance. Alliances and corps rise and fall, splinter and reform. Over there, from what i gather from Edelweiss' stories, many of the guild/corp/alliance structures existed already prior to EVE and they joined EVE as a whole. Something like the Goons, except uberfanatical. They will not abandon eachother because of some **** that happens in the game they are currently playing, they'd sooner move on to the next game, I imagine. To be honest, I'm glad that TQ is the way it is, as it sounds to me (from my western pov ) like a lot more fun. But it's very interesting to read about how things go on the chinese server so keep us posted, Edelweiss.
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:17:00 - [96] Originally by: Edelweiss ZP numbers do, camping bothside with 200 pll, we jump to your side, all get lost via server restart. got another 50 jump in, controls the gate.. Don't know if this happens in TQ, it always happens in our server. It happens a lot. Perversion:
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:47:00 - [97] Edelweiss, this is great reading; keep it coming. Blog
Szinger	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:06:00 - [98] Originally by: albert camus Have you guys ever played the Chinese at any game.... Thay own, outright unless we go and hire the koreans we aint got a hope in hell I have to completely agree here. When the chinese invaded Shadowbane. It forced Wolfpack to offer free server migrations to let the Chinese and Koreans duke it out while the north american players went to new servers with their tails between their legs.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:34:00 - [99] It would be the same egos that make us think we would win that would eventually get Tranquility Galaxy to capitulate to Serenity Galaxy. We would have no choice but to admit defeat, because ultimately we would not stand united. We would be more like a bunch of 'Liberias' fighting the 'Soviet Union' than we would be the 'US vs USSR'. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
J Frost Gallente The Tafflington Trust	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:11:00 - [100] Well, i'm kinda worried to say , but, yes, I'm a Chinese pilot flying around in TQ, because I hate the way Chinese player live in a game or MMO. PPL take the game too seriously, and make it like another work after my work time. Completely no fun at all. However, if u r a simple Play For Fun guy, then you're doomed, cuz everyone else would be much better than u. Although they won't abondon you, but u'll feel no fun with those guys together becuz of the pressure. Not to mention, i've seen ppl talking about the war between TQ and Chinese server, and I would say, Chinese will win. Why, here are the list of reasons I can think of according to my gaming experience, and see how many of u can make urself matching with any of the following: 1) Nation Pride well, unlike most of u guys ever imagined. Chinese ppl DO have their own life, but just like what i've mentioned, they take the game too seriously. If one of the Chinese player ever gets podded by any foreigners (sorry, no offensive or political), then the rest will consider it as a RACIAL problem. The GREAT CHINA which is one of the oldest culture being with more than 5000 years of history (which personally i hate the most), would fight to death for defending our ppl and honor. So, what happens? Here the results come below: 1.1) PPL would put real-life money investment into game to en-power the force in game. Hiring ppl to work or fight for them, buying ISK or anyother purchase-able, and DONATE it to whoever needs it to fight the INTRUDORS. 1.2) PPL might quit their jobs, in the name of HONOR, to WORK 24 hours per day for their victory, just like some of the Europeans might quit their job to attend FIFA as i've heard. Any of u guys would do that? guess not. 1.3) You see, when none of the forces could ever make the Chinese ppl feel risky, then we fight with each other. PPL would devided into small groups and fight each other no matter if u r Chinese or not. However, when a strong force comes and might put ANY Chinese ppl in danger, we get united and fight back. That MIGHT makes 5.5k/6k ppl in Chinese server to get themselves involved into the war, but how much percentage of the pilots of the 25k in TQ would join the war? 2) Valuation Well, i'm really sad to say, but, there are a huge number of Chinese player who earns very little, or completely NO income, would spend a large amount of money on games. They might consider an MP3 player that costs $30 too expensive, but they would gladly purchase something $300 worth in game. PPL could spent 8k RMB (which about $1k) to buy a pet in MMO, or 5k RMB (about $600) to buy items / equipments in game PER MONTH. Don't doubt it, it really happens. I'm not saying that Chinese ppl have a lot of money, in fact, a lot of them don't earn that much from salary. However, they might buy something really expensive in game, and make themselves very happy to eat potatoes everyday for 3 monthes or even longer. Crazy enough? 3) Cheat / MOD / Macro Personally, that's the thing I hate the most. Just like what i've mentioned above, ppl might earn so little, and they take the game too seriously. So, how can ppl ever possibly get rich or strong in the shortest period of time, which means less cost and investment? As you may guessed, and i think there is no need for me to explain that. However, that ruins the financial environment and balance of the game really quickly as the matter of fact. But who cares? I wanna fight! I wanna kill! The heck with the trading guys? Just get out of the universe if u don't like the way, or become one of us. I don't know if anyone would read this post, but, I am a Chinese player, and I hate the way Chinese player take the game. That's why I came to TQ about 4 months ago. I'm glad that TQ is running the way it is. After all, i'm looking for fun in EVE, not a war or another job after my work.
that suks	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:35:00 - [101] Edited by: that suks on 17/11/2006 06:35:32 **** alt stikes again!
Digitalfox Central Defiance Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:36:00 - [102] It really is intristing to hear of the on goings of the chinese server. As the the who would be whome question, I think it would all depend on the server it takes place on. Under the general play style of the TQ serve I belive an evenly SP team of TQ player would beat an equaly SP'd team of Chinese players. This is due to the fact that the chinese would be limited in prodution of ships and other means making the lose of ships and equipment to high for them to maintain for long without the support of out of game purchases and large corperate like backings. Under the play style of the Chinese server the chinese would most likly come out on top of an equily skilled fight due to the fact that the large backing of the corps and generaly free ship programs and outsourced resorce colletion ie macros and purchased items would be to great for a team of TQ players to withstand. How ever I belive the TQ team could to quit a bit of damage and general annoyance to the Chinese team, due not to the fact that the chinese lack any skill but just do the the fact that alot of TQ players have alot of experiance in skirmish warfare. Take corperations like Burn Eden, love em or hate em they have nearly prefected the art of hit and run warfare and dictating the terms on wich a fight is held. You can field a 300 man fleet but a handful of well cordated strikes where you pop 1-2 ships at a time and then move on or strike again quick and unexpected can be a real nasty thorn to have in ones side. The differance in play styles of the two servers is far to vast to dictate who would win, it would all come down to tactics of both sides as well as the grounds on which the fight would take place. I'm just waiting for the first major corp theft or major scam to hit, just imagin the billions one could net form targeting the major controling corperation in what essential boils down to the only two alliances in game. Come on someone get greedy! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Central Defiance is always recruiting, check out or movie DEFY
Fujiko Murakama	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:53:00 - [103] bring on the chinese, as far as war goes tq qould pwn them thier arrogance would be the cause of our unification that and the fact that its ez to hurt big alliances if ur good at gang roaming pvp just dont engage the uber blob
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.17 08:36:00 - [104] Everyone seems to focus on a hypothetical war between Serenity and Tranquility, which will never happen. If anything, technical reasons prevent that. I'd be much more interested in hearing how the situation in Serenity could be fixed. Because it sure is broken right now. One alliance dominating 0.0 must be **** boring, and they must have virtually infinite resources right now. Nothing can challenge them. Unless they splinter, the situation has no exit that I can see, barring GM intervention.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.17 09:48:00 - [105] not unless eve china collapses from no players and for some reason TQ access is opened up to them - but as stated a lot of chinesse english speaking players now play eve TQ, why because it isnt all obsessional there is a lot of casual individualistic gamers ( despite the hardcore PVPvers versus the carebear) CCP has made it such that 0.0 alliances take their high value items to empire to sell to the mission runners that feed empire markets t2 items and then outsourced needs are shipped back to 0.0 via frieghters and carriers. Having low sec is also good as an intermediate but underpopulated area due to the lack of 12 hour jumpclones ( 24 hours is just to much) and gate campers essentially choking points ( more access would probably equal more trade and movement if ppl didnt get uber pawned when they entereed) this is basically is what stopping low sec population That and all the 13 year olds that want PVP PVP PVP without much PVE. and get real nasty when there are no targets ( me me generation) whereas older players yes we do PVP but we select our times and also engage in a lot of PVE and industry
Nelix Trist Caldari Nostromo Industries	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:03:00 - [106] Sounds fun all of this. My have to try and get in there some how! Hounestly (sp) I would like to see, TQ vs SRNTY. I know we would kick butt on skill alone. I mean, look at when BOB with a 50 man fleet took on GOON with a 200-300 man fleet and won... thats kinda the same as TQ vs SRNTY. Emm?"Cant touch this" den der der dum, der dum der dum KILLING THE BUG'S, BEFORE THEY KILL YOU Un-nerfing you sig is bad mmmmkay - Xorus RAWRRR!111 - Immy-Poos
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:09:00 - [107] Anyone else see the irony in the communists using capitalism to win? ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:18:00 - [108] Calling the chinese communist i pretty much like calling the USA a bunch of slavers. They have come a long way and are pretty much capitalistic by now. They still have no democracy per se, but they are getting there .. slowly... -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:34:00 - [109] Edited by: Naran Darkmood on 17/11/2006 10:34:47 Originally by: Thor Xian Anyone else see the irony in the communists using capitalism to win? The only thing red left in China is the national flagg. (That's a quote from a Chinese buisness partner) Originally by: Patch86 How ironic that "****" (polish) is filtered, but "arse" and "ass" are not. No polish swearing on these English language only forums, or bannage!
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:53:00 - [110] this thread is veering onto political issues back to eve realted issues their skills are way behind that of the TQ and any link up would probably lead to zerg versus well fitted ( of course this would change if characters could be brought and sold) would just be a mess as it is Moving back to TQ - i would like to see more promotion within america, south america asia (ex china) we need more japanesse players on here (perhaps a manga type feel about the game), heck australia has WOW perhaps CCP should contact Aussie PC user and tell em there are alternatives other than WOW ( or WOB world of borecraft) get em to run a feature article i have tried but never get any responses. New Zuland ( kiwi land) i notice a lot of south african players of course russia already likes eve then u have europe so a lot of expansion is capabale either way.
Angelis666 Amarr Atomic Heroes Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:36:00 - [111] Edited by: Angelis666 on 17/11/2006 11:36:56 Originally by: Miss Overlord this thread is veering onto political issues back to eve realted issues their skills are way behind that of the TQ and any link up would probably lead to zerg versus well fitted ( of course this would change if characters could be brought and sold) would just be a mess as it is Moving back to TQ - i would like to see more promotion within america, south america asia (ex china) we need more japanesse players on here (perhaps a manga type feel about the game), heck australia has WOW perhaps CCP should contact Aussie PC user and tell em there are alternatives other than WOW ( or WOB world of borecraft) get em to run a feature article i have tried but never get any responses. New Zuland ( kiwi land) i notice a lot of south african players of course russia already likes eve then u have europe so a lot of expansion is capabale either way. I take offense at that! WOB is worldwide not Australiawide :) If you give a man a fire he will be warm for a night, Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Digiblast Minmatar Murini Ice Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:14:00 - [112] If the Chinese Big Allainces don't break down into more and smaller groups.... Then that just means one Thing.... WE ON TQ must be frecking greedy and have to many Powerfreaks that want to Rule. And I'm one of Them MUWHAHAAA I WANNA BLOODY KILL YOU ALL MUWHAHAHAHAHA
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.17 16:18:00 - [113] Originally by: Digiblast I WANNA BLOODY KILL YOU ALL MUWHAHAHAHAHA "Get in line." ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.17 17:47:00 - [114] only real big difference I see is that on our server if a massive sustained battle such as this occured then I would see them winning only because I can see for many after say 2 or 3 bs losses insurance cost fitting cost clone cost how many would be bringing out their next bs? Yes alot here have globs of isk and then their are the rest of us. hehe we live day by day scrapping by usually spending all we have on that next cool ship. Last thought. What is more effecient. 1. Group a that is large it's members are split into splinter sects that each usually have a set of bpo's pos's and overhead costs. 2. Group b that combines their efforts. They pool ALL their isk (not just some of it) they use this massive buying power to purchase lets say 2 of each bs bpo 2 of each cruiser ect and keeps those bpo's in production 23/7. That right there is how much isk saved? They have dedicated miners, the miners are paid well and do just that mine out of honor or whatever, they have dedicated protection personel that take care of the miners needs, they have dedicated pvp specialists that take care of the protectors. There is no anamosity between the different groups cause they all have their role in the picture. There is NO call to arms simply because those people are ALLWAYS called thats what they do. The miners do what they do ect. Anyway I dont like the playstyle of group b. And wouldn't want to be a part of it. But who would win? I believe it's obvious myself. To make a comparison. Think of a lvl 4 mission. The way we play is sort of like a regular lvl 4 mission you agress 1 group and the other group sits there watching waiting it's turn to be agressed even though (if they had a brain) they KNOW they are next. The way I see the convos on how they play is a lvl 4 mission you warp in and the entire group attacks you suiciding into you with whatever predetermined roles they have for the better of the whole. just a personal opinion. Skills have little to do with it. We arent talkin about a crap load of t1 frigs here they are in bs's maybe they dont have lvl 5 torp. But then again if they were told to make a pvp char then they dont have 1sp on mining either. Nor does their miner have 1 pt in sp to protect himself.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:03:00 - [115] very interesting nice stuff:) Well i dont know how would it go but would be interesting to meet our worlds....if hardware would be capable of it.. I guess we should let us lead by bob and mc , they are the best at big fleets. - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:53:00 - [116] well you can like or dislike BOB but they are great pvpers with great FC, you cant deny this.... - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:56:00 - [117] If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ***** pathetic. Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
hattifnatt Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:19:00 - [118] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. This is true. 400x120@24000 Bytes Maximum please. -Capsicum ___ /o.0\ \___/ <-- This is Jigglypuff!! [
Soriss	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:32:00 - [119] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. I belive so too. However I woudn't want to fight a corp that consists of 50 guys that have this mindset. Not to mention an alliance formed of a couple of thousands.
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:21:00 - [120] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. Guess it depends how crappy your job is :)
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:18:00 - [121] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 18/11/2006 01:19:30 Originally by: Allen Deckard Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ******* pathetic. Guess it depends how crappy your job is :) I would say those ppl are crazy in my mind too, and those spending a lot real money into the game. think that is not a common thing guess less than 1/1000 for the quit job and less than 1/10 for spanding real money. well i don't know as I never spending any real money in any Chinese game as the items in those servers are just worthless.
Edelweiss ZP	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:38:00 - [122] Edited by: Edelweiss ZP on 18/11/2006 01:38:19 From A.Y.R moive as the pirate subcorp of Speed corp of NONA Our enimy LOL I am not BBE nor EEC Download Cruisers Harvest in the first month Download Battle ships with in the first two months I guess Hope u guys can read some Chinese but I have to say the movive is not a very good one as all good ones will have no time to record and BIG number players make unbeleivable LAG.
Skylar Keenan Amarr CCCP INC	Posted - 2006.11.18 02:02:00 - [123] In a "fair" fight Tranquility would own Serenity. The only argument I've seen so far in this thread that Serenity should have a chance in hell is their near unlimited resources from macroing. If we put all those people out of business and they actually had to WORK for their ships and equipment just like the rest of us, they'd feel it keenly whenever they lost a ship. Tranqs superior SP, combat experience and equipment would grind them into the ground. To sum it up: Without limitless resources from macroing they'd get ground into the dirt ----------------------------------------------- New sig coming SoonÖ
qui arthell	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:09:00 - [124] I soooo wish China laws would have allowed them to join Tranquility. Would have made it mighty interesting to see what these major OGG's would do against each other, and our alliances
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:43:00 - [125] I have no doubt that what we see there is going to happen on Tranquility, and I say sooner rather than later. The nature of the game promotes professionalization of corps and alliances, and what they are doing over there is just professionalization to a whole new level.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:26:00 - [126] Originally by: Tarkan Kador I have no doubt that what we see there is going to happen on Tranquility, and I say sooner rather than later. The nature of the game promotes professionalization of corps and alliances, and what they are doing over there is just professionalization to a whole new level. I doubt it. If what we are hearing is true, for all that to happen over here, the alliances would have to start approaching us, offering us free ships and equipment on demand and a full subsidy of our subscriptions, while paying us a RL salary. If the package were to be competitive enough, many people would accept it. However, the game would quickly die because the end-game would be a state where everyone has been hired by the same entity. We all know that no-one has the resources to achieve this here.
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:43:00 - [127] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Tarkan Kador I have no doubt that what we see there is going to happen on Tranquility, and I say sooner rather than later. The nature of the game promotes professionalization of corps and alliances, and what they are doing over there is just professionalization to a whole new level. I doubt it. If what we are hearing is true, for all that to happen over here, the alliances would have to start approaching us, offering us free ships and equipment on demand and a full subsidy of our subscriptions, while paying us a RL salary. If the package were to be competitive enough, many people would accept it. However, the game would quickly die because the end-game would be a state where everyone has been hired by the same entity. We all know that no-one has the resources to achieve this here. Do we know? It is not uncommon for high rollers to spend an ungodly sum of money at Las Vegas, or Monte Carlo. I can imagine a situation where somebody, or some group, would want to win so bad that they'd throw a lot of money into the thing. More money has been thrown into hobbies for far less than what EVE is. People want to win, and are willing to do what it takes. It never ceases to amaze me on Tranquility the lengths some will go through. The things the Chinese are doing are just an extention of the same desire BoB or any other alliance has. They win because they are able to do what the other side cannot do. If people leave because they cannot have fun here under those conditions, then it isn't the problem for those where the fun is in winning.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:11:00 - [128] Originally by: Earthan well you can like or dislike BOB but they are great pvpers with great FC, you cant deny this.... Sure they are, there is no denying it, but most of the success of BoB is due to a combination of not having any real dangerous enemies and their public image. As good as some BoB are, I'm not sure they really can beat ASCN in any meaningful way. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
J Frost Gallente The Tafflington Trust	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:21:00 - [129] Originally by: Murukan If you would quit your job to play a game to defend your "honor" you're ***** pathetic. Well, you can disagree on that theory, but it's just the different ways of enjoying the game. Whether you like it or not, please, try not being offensive. I do respect whatever ppl do in games, no matter if you're trying (or already done) raiding the whole universe, or macro-mining, or whatever else. That's the way ppl enjoys their life, their game experience, their return of spending money on it. Since the official didn't mark it as GUILTY, then they're supposed to be legal. You can either work it out that way, or quit the game and find somewhere else that suitable for your playing style. That's why I came to TQ, and I'm glad that I've made this decision. I'm trying to not making any political or military argument, so if anything I said following DOES make you feel bad, I appologize. Talking about the technical advantage of TQ pilots VS. Chinese pilots, that DOES matter, but not ALL. I don't know if any of u know how WW2 went in China, but from my point of view, there are a whole lot of things other than technique and SP. If you still don't get my point, then I think I'll leave it there and not making anything off-topic or making anybody feels bad. Just ignore my words, I don't mean to start an argument, really. Ok, back to my point. After all, TQ will NOT crash into SN or vise versa for sure. Reasons are pretty clear to see. 1. We started from the same point, but TQ is 3 years more experienced. That's not fair for SN pilots. 2. The game cost in SN is lower than TQ due to the lower average income of Chinese population, but the game is almost the same. Which could mean that pilot in SN might spend 1/3 of RL money invested in game (normal investments including GTC or account services) to reach the level of the same in TQ. That's not fair for TQ pilots. 3. Most of Chinese pilots don't speak English, although we started to learn that from junior high. I mean, yes, they can read some simple words and sentences such as "Good morning!", but not enough for communication. Especially when EVE contains a lot of vocabulary related to physics and strategics. Same for TQ players, most of you have not learned Chinese before as I supposed. Think of this: You are in a game, and having problem while trying to communicate with half of the players online. That really sucks... 4. As someone already mentioned, the time problem. Most Chinese players are in GMT +8 zone. That's why I can't join most of the corp ops, cuz when they start the op at 19 EVE time, I should be dreaming at 3 AM in my bed. However, I really love my corp and the members, they are very nice to me, and they are a bunch of funny guys. I do have a lot of fun with them whenever I'm not alone online. Just wanna say "thx" to all of them. 5. Connection problem could kill me. There r 2 major ISPs in China, and we have serious problem connecting each other between those 2 ISPs. Besides that, the international bandwidth might cause real lagecy in TQ. You don't wanna see yourself floating in middle of nowhere with your pod after jumping from a gate, which stucks for about 30 seconds, don't u? 6. Payment problem. I don't think much of Chinese ppl would have a USD or EUR account. Or, would you prefer to pay in RMB? When EQ2 was shutdown in China, players were transfered into SOE America server as far as I know. However, due to the reasons above, most of them quit the game. So I don't think there would NOT** be any chance for TQ and SN pilots to be crashed into each other, and that's the thing I would pray for not happening. If that happens any day in the future, then I guess that's the time for me to find another online game.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 10:58:00 - [130] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/11/2006 10:59:06 Originally by: Thor Xian I'm not sure BoB knows what to do if the node doesn't crash tho, but I'm sure they could figure it out quickly enough. "Okay, get eady for the crash." "Oh **!, No crash! Kill Something!!" Originally by:** Thor Xian Sure they are, there is no denying it, but most of the success of BoB is due to a combination of not having any real dangerous enemies and their public image. As good as some BoB are, I'm not sure they really can beat ASCN in any meaningful way. Please stop smaking us here, there is no need. Stay on topic and be happy. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:31:00 - [131] Originally by: Tarkan Kador It is not uncommon for high rollers to spend an ungodly sum of money at Las Vegas, or Monte Carlo. I can imagine a situation where somebody, or some group, would want to win so bad that they'd throw a lot of money into the thing. More money has been thrown into hobbies for far less than what EVE is. People want to win, and are willing to do what it takes. It never ceases to amaze me on Tranquility the lengths some will go through. The things the Chinese are doing are just an extention of the same desire BoB or any other alliance has. They win because they are able to do what the other side cannot do. EVE isn't cool enough in the West for anyone to bother trying. In Entropia, yeah. Here, I just don't see it ever happening.
Xelertic	Posted - 2006.11.19 02:47:00 - [132] I saw something has been mistaken here. Now,there are 7 major alliances in the EVE China which occupy the S/N/W/E. They are the NOTHERN ALLIANCE,the PAN-INTEESTELLAR BUSINESS COMMUNITY , PIBC for short.the R ALLIANCE .the SOURCE ALLIANCE .the BABEIER ALLIANCE(BBE).the EASTERN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY(EEC).and the FEIDEKE ALLIANCE(FDK) Now the situation is that the north and the south are attacking the west & east . By now, alomost all the stations in the south has been occupied by the NORTHERN/PIBC which means at the same time the BBE are losing their last station in solar system "JV1V". The war is not over , right.Maybe the BBE will be the second BOB if they have patient.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 07:18:00 - [133] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/11/2006 10:59:06 Originally by: Thor Xian I'm not sure BoB knows what to do if the node doesn't crash tho, but I'm sure they could figure it out quickly enough. "Okay, get eady for the crash." "Oh **!, No crash! Kill Something!!" Originally by:** Thor Xian Sure they are, there is no denying it, but most of the success of BoB is due to a combination of not having any real dangerous enemies and their public image. As good as some BoB are, I'm not sure they really can beat ASCN in any meaningful way. Please stop smaking us here, there is no need. Stay on topic and be happy. dbp It's not smack if it is true :p Your reputation does more for you than your T2 weapons. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.19 09:15:00 - [134] Well thats your opionon , just remmber Phoenix allaince was saying same things before and during great northern war... That said maybe ASCN is tougher i dont know,maybe BOB wont win this wone , no idea, just imho dont underestimate the power of BOB side. - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 09:34:00 - [135] Well PA was never exactly a pillar of solidarity and might. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." "It is better to die by my Autocannon, than to live for your Veldspar."
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:21:00 - [136] Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. _______________________________________________
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:36:00 - [137] Originally by: Cabadrin Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. Same, when you have to treat a game like a job to compete, it's not worth playing (for me personally anyway). I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:47:00 - [138] Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Cabadrin Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. Same, when you have to treat a game like a job to compete, it's not worth playing (for me personally anyway). Thats because your a loser. not a winner like me. I'd stay and pwn them, basically. Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.22 14:48:00 - [139] I would just love to AF/inty pirate on Serenity... kind of enough said, no ? _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:01:00 - [140] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 22/11/2006 15:00:45 Originally by: J Frost 1.1) PPL would put real-life money investment into game to en-power the force in game. Hiring ppl to work or fight for them, buying ISK or anyother purchase-able, and DONATE it to whoever needs it to fight the INTRUDORS. Sounds like our alliance could make a lot of money over there. Like, real money. On that thought, are there any mercenaries in there? Sounds like there wouldn't be.
Richard Stryker Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:11:00 - [141] anyone else watch that second movie and spend the whole time yelling "wtf... kill the dam scorp already..."" watching that tq would pwn serenity.
Tusko Hopkins Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:13:00 - [142] Edelweiss, or some other Chinese player, can you tell me where to look for chinese-made ingame movies and ads? Like the videos forum here on this forum, or www.eve-files.com generally... I bet Chinese people are doing lots of movies, too, featuring fleet battles and stories etc (if they really have so much time as you described). Where is the forum for that? It would be really great to see what we are talking about.
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:16:00 - [143] Quote: Well, you can disagree on that theory, but it's just the different ways of enjoying the game. Whether you like it or not, please, try not being offensive. Sad No. Whoever quits his job or other RL obligations to play a game needs their heads examined and professional help. Addictions are a health problem. It's not being offensive, it's just letting things clear. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:18:00 - [144] Edited by: Tundaar on 22/11/2006 15:20:29 heh - I think that Tranq might have a harder time than many seem to think - Seen the price of HACs recently? - Serenity would be GIVING them to their fighters - T2 BPO Hoarding? - already one Alliance there has most of them sewn up and is producing basically for free for their alliance. Tranq is too individualistic - can you actually see Tranq t2 BPO owners producing and giving away at cost price? - AND NO-ONE taking advantage of it by trying to sell on at a higher price? Only a few alliances on Tranq can manage to get a large fleet together consistently (more than once per week) can you imagine trying to take down an alliance which has the dedication and resource to put 80 POS in ONE system?? and field 300-500 people fleets EVERY night . . . Tranquility initial advantage in gear would get eroded very quickly with constant combat and Serenity would be able to replace better and more efficiently - the T2 advantage would soon run the other way. Would all be over in a couple of months with just a few Tranq pirates hiding on the fringes
Tusko Hopkins Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:24:00 - [145] You're talking about these free stuff as if it was some builtin feature. I recon that if an alliance is macromining all day they can supply endless numbers of battleships to the members, but in case of t2 stuff it's not like that. If a HAC BPO rolls out a HAC every 34 hours no macro can help you with that. And if they get hold of such BPOs, they wont be reimbursing all the 'hundreds' of HACs they lose a they because they simply cant.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:37:00 - [146] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Cabadrin Serenity seems like a place that I'd hate to be in, with people taking a game way too seriously. It'd ruin the fun and I think most NA or EU players would leave the game if Chinese players came into TQ in force. Same, when you have to treat a game like a job to compete, it's not worth playing (for me personally anyway). Thats because your a loser. not a winner like me. I'd stay and pwn them, basically. Silence meantshield! *Backhands layth I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:55:00 - [147] When I was younger I used to play a board game called Talisman. A lot. We used to play every weekend with the same bunch of friends. We had all the expansion packs and it could take hours to win... we had games that would last most of the night. Occasionally we'd introduce a new friend to the game, and explain the rules and objectives to them and they'd go 'okay...' and then we'd play the game and as often as not they'd win. We realised that this was not entirely beginners' luck but that we (as experienced players) would be off exploring 'winning' strategies and trying to trip each other up while all the new player did was head straight to the middle of the board and 'win', because that's what had been explained to them as the objective of the game. In a nutshell, seems to me that we (in general) play the game for the sake of playing the game... the Chinese play the game to win. Maybe someone needs to explain to them the concept of having fun, even if you're not on the winning team ;) Maybe that's unfair, but they do seem to take everything far too seriously. The Chinese phd students in my department are exactly the same. They come in and work solidly for 10 hours, hardly talk to anyone (even if you try to drag them off for a coffee) and then go home. Every day the same. If someone doesn't get them to relax China will be the largest superpower on the planet - right up to the moment they all die of heart attacks.
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:58:00 - [148] Originally by: Tusko Hopkins You're talking about these free stuff as if it was some builtin feature. I recon that if an alliance is macromining all day they can supply endless numbers of battleships to the members, but in case of t2 stuff it's not like that. If a HAC BPO rolls out a HAC every 34 hours no macro can help you with that. And if they get hold of such BPOs, they wont be reimbursing all the 'hundreds' of HACs they lose a they because they simply cant. Yeah - but the point is there will be one coming off the line every 34 hours and it will be available and the player won't be paying for it (cause all of the mining/materials etc will be macroed and the server is in for the win not the profit) - I just can't see that happening on Tranquility. It's a matter of dedication and not caring for a personal "I Win" button
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:05:00 - [149] ive been playing on the chinese server for a few days now ( use google translate to talk). The chinese play for fun, its the only reason thay play. Everyone helpes everyone to grind isk then everyone blows it all up. Then we start again :P. Im in an allaince that would crush anything on this server purely becuse of there dedication, 500 hundred people in alliance right now only 3k on the server :\|.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:34:00 - [150] Originally by: albert camus ive been playing on the chinese server for a few days now ( use google translate to talk). The chinese play for fun, its the only reason thay play. Everyone helpes everyone to grind isk then everyone blows it all up. Then we start again :P. Im in an allaince that would crush anything on this server purely becuse of there dedication, 500 hundred people in alliance right now only 3k on the server :\|. nice spirit :D the few encouters we had with chinese players in my old game (asheron's call) was exactly that. they had a "clan" that just... claimed a place, like Jita, THE central hub, and then it went in big booms of explosions big bad horrible tactics, i mean really EVIL people (ingame!! i mean evil tactics but which work eheh), but it always end with a laugh and an excellent time had some great time with chinese corps. and apparently the FC(or its equivalent in AC were all in the same place or cybercafe, they were terribly efficient :p ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Cosmar Gallente Unified Refining Federation	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:41:00 - [151] I think this is more of an example how unchecked cheating (macro mining, isk buying, etc.. ) killed a game. The chinese apparently simply ignored the economic side of the game. A owner of a big chinese gold farming/selling company used probably many of his employees as well as other people to "win". Big surprise Also they are not used to/like some aspects of the corporation enviroement (due to local culture i guess) and most took it simply as a big MMO shoot-em up with the annoyance of having to replace ships. I think this is a good example where the game would end up if it was not for the "carebear" industrialists of TQ, the embodiment of the "EvE is a PvP game" mentality. And no for now TQ would have no chance if Serenity macro their way through the war. But their population seems to be droping. CCP needs to intervene and ban for macroing, cheats, money selling etc.. or else i suspect in a year there won't be anything else left to salvage due to boredom.
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:48:00 - [152] theres around 3000 people loged in on the chinese server right now. even if 2/10 of them are macro's im sure the isk generated is nouthing in comparison to this server. The whole its full of macros is compleatly incorect.
Tusko Hopkins Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:22:00 - [153] How are the sovnenerity problems handled? I read that there was a very heavy POS usage, up to 80 POS / system. But in the short amount of time that have passed on Serenity, there is no way that someone had been able to learn to fly a dreadnaught. So how do stations change hands? How can the deathstars be destroyed without dreadnaughts? Isn't the POS situation completely out of control?
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:06:00 - [154] Edited by: albert camus on 22/11/2006 18:08:11 its really not that bad as there are not that many players. There are home systems that are imposible to take but most of the game is unpopulated or has low numbers of pos's and with the numbers that the alliances can run up there not that much of a problem. Alot of the combat is criuser based and everyne uses stabs :P. Edit : i keep hearing "aircraft carriers" in chat i assume this means carriers but ive never actualy seen one so im not sure if there in the game but it is posible. (the language barrier is hard but makes it more fun for me :P

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