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Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:44:00 - [1] Just curious, which corporations was the weakest in ASCN, I'd like to know so I don't accidently start cooperating with such weak leadership as theirs.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:47:00 - [2] Tbh, the leadership of the corp's who have left is probably better than those that remain imo Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Naqq on 17/11/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: fire 59 Tbh, the leadership of the corp's who have left is probably better than those that remain imo If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you.
RichThugster Gallente Revelations Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:57:00 - [4] The Older Gamers may possibly on their way to leaving. I found 4 or 5 of them in Baykura last night mining in a belt with ferox, domi, rupture, covetor, hauler (and later an ares)i tried to steal their cans so i could pop them, but in the lag of this a rupture warped in and took my poor little ishkur into armor, by the time i realised, i was near dead. Saying that it was t2 AC rupture setup, so i would have died even if i saw it coming. But its funny, their alliance looses 2 stations and BOB continues the onslaught, TOG mine kernite in low sec Originally by: KIATolon I just got owned
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Naqq If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. I'm sure hell have trouble sleeping tonight knowing this... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:02:00 - [6] thug there is nothing wrong with having the industrialists mining minerals for the corpn to use for building ships. not everybody fights at the frontline
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/11/2006 11:12:33 -ANZAC Alliance bailed. They were a trial corp, so no harm, no foul. -Esquadra Alpha was kicked because they haven't been active at all as part of the alliance since pretty much the day they joined. Another trial corp. -One or two corps have been merged into larger corps. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Naqq If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. I'm sure hell have trouble sleeping tonight knowing this... u should always have trouble sleeping... iv seen the way you do the EVE alliance map. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:35:00 - [9] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 17/11/2006 11:36:55 Some predictably partisan points of view so far. It's very simplistic to say that the leadership of any given corporation is cowardly, or smart, for leaving an alliance during a war. Corporations are (or should be) organized around a vision, or reason for being. People join them because that vision is in alignment with their vision of what they'd like to do in the game. Alliances are (or should be) organized around a vision too. The CEOs of individual corporations choose to enter an aliance because its vision aligns with that of their corp., or at least that should be why a corporation enters an alliance. I see the war between BoB and ASCN right now as a clash of diametrically opposed visions of what Eve ought to be like. The ASCN vision is that you only fight so that you can build something. The BoB vision is that you only build something so that you can fight. The corporations leaving ASCN right now are probably thinking, rightly or wrongly, that the ASCN vision of Eve cannot survive a determined onslaught by those who hold the BoB vision of Eve. So, they quit the alliance, and if the BoB vision ultimately prevails, perhaps they quit the game altogether in the end. At the end of the day, it's a game, and it has to be fun for you to want to keep playing. If you have a "fight so that I can build" mindset, because building is what you really like to do, the game probably isn't much fun for you right now if you live in Paragon Soul. If you're the CEO of a corp. with a "fight so that we can build" vision, you're having to balance your allegance to the alliance against a corporate vision that you aren't able to realize in ASCN, and a bunch of players who, again, aren't having the gaming experience that they log on to have. All that said, there is an honorable way to leave if, as a CEO, that is what you feel you must do to take care of your members. Colluding or striking a side deal with the enemy while you're still under the ASCN banner isn't it. Does that make you a better or worse leader than the guy who stays? That really depends on why you and the members of your corp log on in the first place.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:46:00 - [10] Some more Northern Wisdom to ASCN: Make sure that you shot every corp/member that quit your alliance. Think of all the assets you can gain that way. Plus they should be easier targets and you know what ships they fly and they don't have TS spies. Remember you are just doing them a favour if they get pod express to agil. ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Naqq Edited by: Naqq on 17/11/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: fire 59 Tbh, the leadership of the corp's who have left is probably better than those that remain imo If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. My view on that particular situation was that aznac (spelling) was fighting dice befoer the major offensive and then bob on the fronlines for a long time, when they needed help, little came and little support was offered other than merge or f off if i remember correctly. That is what i call leaving your mates to fight to the end Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Kibed Dulick	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:12:00 - [12] Originally by: LUKEC Some more Northern Wisdom to ASCN: Make sure that you shot every corp/member that quit your alliance. Think of all the assets you can gain that way. Plus they should be easier targets and you know what ships they fly and they don't have TS spies. Remember you are just doing them a favour if they get pod express to agil. Hipocryte caugh PA * caugh* (i'm not an alt i just dont have a main atm :S)
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:19:00 - [13] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Naqq Edited by: Naqq on 17/11/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: fire 59 My view on that particular situation was that aznac (spelling) was fighting dice befoer the major offensive and then bob on the fronlines for a long time, when they needed help, little came and little support was offered other than merge or f off if i remember correctly. That is what i call leaving your mates to fight to the end There were at least 3 public offers of assistance to provide isk and ships from established corporations within ASCN. That is what i call telling them merge or f off I don't have a problem with them leaving, as they were a trial corp and had that right to do so at anytime in the same way we had the right to kick them at anytime. Not sure why I've replied here, thread is just going to beat the same horse that was beaten several weeks ago, and I like horses
Ku'Gras Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Drusus Rensus < .. a well written post .. > good post. Originally by: Naqq Just curious, which corporations was the weakest in ASCN, I'd like to know so I don't accidently start cooperating with such weak leadership as theirs. Corporations may leave an alliance due to many reasons. Usually it's a mix of several reasons that individually is not reason enough to leave but added together triggers the decision. Differences within the alliance that does not hurt much during peaceful times becomes back-breaking issues when the alliance are put under heavy pressure. The first corps to leave an alliance usually do it due to older frictions. The pressure makes them take the decision now instead of a months later. When under constant pressure corps will leave due to differences in perception of how they should defend and how much isk, manhours and killmails each corp in the alliance should put into the war effort. Say a FC/CEO firmly believe the strategy you are commanded to employ is useless and that you will order your corp members to certain death without gaining anything. Continuing to do this for months would be backstabbing your own corp members by ruining their playtime for nothing. A corp may leave an alliance under pressure due to not being able to fulfill the goals of the corporation and it's members. The decision is either find a an exit door for rebuilding the corp or slowly watching the corp disappear and end up consisting of a handful of hardcore members who will loose their claim and become "pirates" in their old systems. Assuming "weak leadership" is the only reason for a corp leaving an alliance is as wrong as anything can be. It's obvious you made this post in an attempt to start a smear campaing on any corps that left or are considering leaving.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:44:00 - [15] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Naqq If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. I'm sure hell have trouble sleeping tonight knowing this... u should always have trouble sleeping... iv seen the way you do the EVE alliance map. d solo. There must be something wrong then, i sleep quite nicely at night. I quite often have nice dreams too. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Aen Bolusova Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:02:00 - [16] Originally by: RichThugster The Older Gamers may possibly on their way to leaving. War, like alcohol & brain cells, only kills the weak ones. TOG is having fun. We're old, we're crusty, and very... very... patient.
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:05:00 - [17] Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. Its a trial by fire. Have fun - we do Ian Novarider . Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Ian Novarider Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. . Where are they? Still in empire? ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:14:00 - [19] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Ian Novarider Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. . Where are they? Still in empire? Brilliant one, hang on a minute, rofflcopters and lollerskates (now I am crying with laughing hang on) (that's better) (let me get my breathe back) Right, now I have my egregious brown nosing out of the way, what was it you were saying?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Ian Novarider Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. Its a trial by fire. Have fun - we do Ian Novarider Yeah, that would be pretty consistant with what I said above. Those leaving are saying aw, sh**, a war with BoB. The ones joining are saying oh yeah!, a war with BoB. In the end, if you manage to pull it together, you may end up with an alliance with a better mix of players for the environment that you are in (i.e. they enjoy, rather than dread, hostilities). If that happens, BoB did you a huge favor.
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:50:00 - [21] Can you give us a name of a corp that joined ASCN since the war started ? /me hopes not to get flamed by a 3 day old alt Someone has to bring the trash out
Braaage eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:52:00 - [22] Your topic title is double-barreled. Since the war does not mean because of the war. AFAIK the only casualty because of the war was ANZACS. During the war and by no means because of the war we have had some smaller corps merge with us bigger ones. This wasn't anything to do with the war just CEOs going AWOL (were AWOL before war started) and members wanted to move to more active corps. The numbers have shrunk a little and yes we have mostly BOB to thank but then it's good to trim off some fat now and again. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Braaage eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:56:00 - [23] Originally by: jernej Can you give us a name of a corp that joined ASCN since the war started ? /me hopes not to get flamed by a 3 day old alt Royal Hiigaran Navy [RHNVY] have joined ASCN since the war started. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:29:00 - [24] So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. and in fact a PVP corp has joined. Grats ASCN. Dissappointing statistic for BoB, who have publicly tried to bully ASCN corps into leaving. Doesn't seem to be earning them any results. ~ ~ ~ Originally by: The Knight True, in fact...I think it was during the battle of the bulge when we first realized the Germans were using WCS.
Senhorzinho Malta	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Coasterbrian Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/11/2006 11:12:33 -ANZAC Alliance bailed. They were a trial corp, so no harm, no foul. -Esquadra Alpha was kicked because they haven't been active at all as part of the alliance since pretty much the day they joined. Another trial corp. -One or two corps have been merged into larger corps. 2 left, 1 joined...
Leet Magician Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:37:00 - [26] the above post is mine :D
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Synapse Archae So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. and in fact a PVP corp has joined. Grats ASCN. Dissappointing statistic for BoB, who have publicly tried to bully ASCN corps into leaving. Doesn't seem to be earning them any results. ohnoes, more people that WANT to fight. Whatever will we do? Regards RHNY, I've dealt with them before, they're an honorable corp, I look forward to shooting at them. :)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:42:00 - [28] Edited by: LUKEC on 17/11/2006 19:46:08 Originally by: Synapse Archae So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. They are just permanently reorganizing in empire. 1300 members(trial ofc., it was planned anyway) left since conflict started. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Leet Magician the above post is mine :D Try reading. As was already stated in this thread. One left, Anzacs who was also a trial account. One was asked to leave for lack of participation since joining who was also a trial account. And One joined FOR the fights.
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