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Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:44:00 - [1] Just curious, which corporations was the weakest in ASCN, I'd like to know so I don't accidently start cooperating with such weak leadership as theirs.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:47:00 - [2] Tbh, the leadership of the corp's who have left is probably better than those that remain imo Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Naqq Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Naqq on 17/11/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: fire 59 Tbh, the leadership of the corp's who have left is probably better than those that remain imo If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you.
RichThugster Gallente Revelations Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.11.17 10:57:00 - [4] The Older Gamers may possibly on their way to leaving. I found 4 or 5 of them in Baykura last night mining in a belt with ferox, domi, rupture, covetor, hauler (and later an ares)i tried to steal their cans so i could pop them, but in the lag of this a rupture warped in and took my poor little ishkur into armor, by the time i realised, i was near dead. Saying that it was t2 AC rupture setup, so i would have died even if i saw it coming. But its funny, their alliance looses 2 stations and BOB continues the onslaught, TOG mine kernite in low sec Originally by: KIATolon I just got owned
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Naqq If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. I'm sure hell have trouble sleeping tonight knowing this... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:02:00 - [6] thug there is nothing wrong with having the industrialists mining minerals for the corpn to use for building ships. not everybody fights at the frontline
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/11/2006 11:12:33 -ANZAC Alliance bailed. They were a trial corp, so no harm, no foul. -Esquadra Alpha was kicked because they haven't been active at all as part of the alliance since pretty much the day they joined. Another trial corp. -One or two corps have been merged into larger corps. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Naqq If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. I'm sure hell have trouble sleeping tonight knowing this... u should always have trouble sleeping... iv seen the way you do the EVE alliance map. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:35:00 - [9] Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 17/11/2006 11:36:55 Some predictably partisan points of view so far. It's very simplistic to say that the leadership of any given corporation is cowardly, or smart, for leaving an alliance during a war. Corporations are (or should be) organized around a vision, or reason for being. People join them because that vision is in alignment with their vision of what they'd like to do in the game. Alliances are (or should be) organized around a vision too. The CEOs of individual corporations choose to enter an aliance because its vision aligns with that of their corp., or at least that should be why a corporation enters an alliance. I see the war between BoB and ASCN right now as a clash of diametrically opposed visions of what Eve ought to be like. The ASCN vision is that you only fight so that you can build something. The BoB vision is that you only build something so that you can fight. The corporations leaving ASCN right now are probably thinking, rightly or wrongly, that the ASCN vision of Eve cannot survive a determined onslaught by those who hold the BoB vision of Eve. So, they quit the alliance, and if the BoB vision ultimately prevails, perhaps they quit the game altogether in the end. At the end of the day, it's a game, and it has to be fun for you to want to keep playing. If you have a "fight so that I can build" mindset, because building is what you really like to do, the game probably isn't much fun for you right now if you live in Paragon Soul. If you're the CEO of a corp. with a "fight so that we can build" vision, you're having to balance your allegance to the alliance against a corporate vision that you aren't able to realize in ASCN, and a bunch of players who, again, aren't having the gaming experience that they log on to have. All that said, there is an honorable way to leave if, as a CEO, that is what you feel you must do to take care of your members. Colluding or striking a side deal with the enemy while you're still under the ASCN banner isn't it. Does that make you a better or worse leader than the guy who stays? That really depends on why you and the members of your corp log on in the first place.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:46:00 - [10] Some more Northern Wisdom to ASCN: Make sure that you shot every corp/member that quit your alliance. Think of all the assets you can gain that way. Plus they should be easier targets and you know what ships they fly and they don't have TS spies. Remember you are just doing them a favour if they get pod express to agil. ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 11:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Naqq Edited by: Naqq on 17/11/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: fire 59 Tbh, the leadership of the corp's who have left is probably better than those that remain imo If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. My view on that particular situation was that aznac (spelling) was fighting dice befoer the major offensive and then bob on the fronlines for a long time, when they needed help, little came and little support was offered other than merge or f off if i remember correctly. That is what i call leaving your mates to fight to the end Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's
Kibed Dulick	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:12:00 - [12] Originally by: LUKEC Some more Northern Wisdom to ASCN: Make sure that you shot every corp/member that quit your alliance. Think of all the assets you can gain that way. Plus they should be easier targets and you know what ships they fly and they don't have TS spies. Remember you are just doing them a favour if they get pod express to agil. Hipocryte caugh PA * caugh* (i'm not an alt i just dont have a main atm :S)
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:19:00 - [13] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Naqq Edited by: Naqq on 17/11/2006 10:52:02 Originally by: fire 59 My view on that particular situation was that aznac (spelling) was fighting dice befoer the major offensive and then bob on the fronlines for a long time, when they needed help, little came and little support was offered other than merge or f off if i remember correctly. That is what i call leaving your mates to fight to the end There were at least 3 public offers of assistance to provide isk and ships from established corporations within ASCN. That is what i call telling them merge or f off I don't have a problem with them leaving, as they were a trial corp and had that right to do so at anytime in the same way we had the right to kick them at anytime. Not sure why I've replied here, thread is just going to beat the same horse that was beaten several weeks ago, and I like horses
Ku'Gras Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Drusus Rensus < .. a well written post .. > good post. Originally by: Naqq Just curious, which corporations was the weakest in ASCN, I'd like to know so I don't accidently start cooperating with such weak leadership as theirs. Corporations may leave an alliance due to many reasons. Usually it's a mix of several reasons that individually is not reason enough to leave but added together triggers the decision. Differences within the alliance that does not hurt much during peaceful times becomes back-breaking issues when the alliance are put under heavy pressure. The first corps to leave an alliance usually do it due to older frictions. The pressure makes them take the decision now instead of a months later. When under constant pressure corps will leave due to differences in perception of how they should defend and how much isk, manhours and killmails each corp in the alliance should put into the war effort. Say a FC/CEO firmly believe the strategy you are commanded to employ is useless and that you will order your corp members to certain death without gaining anything. Continuing to do this for months would be backstabbing your own corp members by ruining their playtime for nothing. A corp may leave an alliance under pressure due to not being able to fulfill the goals of the corporation and it's members. The decision is either find a an exit door for rebuilding the corp or slowly watching the corp disappear and end up consisting of a handful of hardcore members who will loose their claim and become "pirates" in their old systems. Assuming "weak leadership" is the only reason for a corp leaving an alliance is as wrong as anything can be. It's obvious you made this post in an attempt to start a smear campaing on any corps that left or are considering leaving.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.17 12:44:00 - [15] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Naqq If that's your view on surrendering and leaving your mates left alone to fight to the end, then I must add I would be embarresed to be in a corporation with you. I'm sure hell have trouble sleeping tonight knowing this... u should always have trouble sleeping... iv seen the way you do the EVE alliance map. d solo. There must be something wrong then, i sleep quite nicely at night. I quite often have nice dreams too. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Aen Bolusova Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:02:00 - [16] Originally by: RichThugster The Older Gamers may possibly on their way to leaving. War, like alcohol & brain cells, only kills the weak ones. TOG is having fun. We're old, we're crusty, and very... very... patient.
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:05:00 - [17] Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. Its a trial by fire. Have fun - we do Ian Novarider . Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Ian Novarider Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. . Where are they? Still in empire? ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.11.17 13:14:00 - [19] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Ian Novarider Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. . Where are they? Still in empire? Brilliant one, hang on a minute, rofflcopters and lollerskates (now I am crying with laughing hang on) (that's better) (let me get my breathe back) Right, now I have my egregious brown nosing out of the way, what was it you were saying?
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Ian Novarider Lets not forget that new corporations are joining ASCN BECAUSE of the war now. More PvP oriented gamers see ASCN active in a new area now. Its a trial by fire. Have fun - we do Ian Novarider Yeah, that would be pretty consistant with what I said above. Those leaving are saying aw, sh**, a war with BoB. The ones joining are saying oh yeah!, a war with BoB. In the end, if you manage to pull it together, you may end up with an alliance with a better mix of players for the environment that you are in (i.e. they enjoy, rather than dread, hostilities). If that happens, BoB did you a huge favor.
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:50:00 - [21] Can you give us a name of a corp that joined ASCN since the war started ? /me hopes not to get flamed by a 3 day old alt Someone has to bring the trash out
Braaage eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:52:00 - [22] Your topic title is double-barreled. Since the war does not mean because of the war. AFAIK the only casualty because of the war was ANZACS. During the war and by no means because of the war we have had some smaller corps merge with us bigger ones. This wasn't anything to do with the war just CEOs going AWOL (were AWOL before war started) and members wanted to move to more active corps. The numbers have shrunk a little and yes we have mostly BOB to thank but then it's good to trim off some fat now and again. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Braaage eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 18:56:00 - [23] Originally by: jernej Can you give us a name of a corp that joined ASCN since the war started ? /me hopes not to get flamed by a 3 day old alt Royal Hiigaran Navy [RHNVY] have joined ASCN since the war started. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:29:00 - [24] So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. and in fact a PVP corp has joined. Grats ASCN. Dissappointing statistic for BoB, who have publicly tried to bully ASCN corps into leaving. Doesn't seem to be earning them any results. ~ ~ ~ Originally by: The Knight True, in fact...I think it was during the battle of the bulge when we first realized the Germans were using WCS.
Senhorzinho Malta	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Coasterbrian Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/11/2006 11:12:33 -ANZAC Alliance bailed. They were a trial corp, so no harm, no foul. -Esquadra Alpha was kicked because they haven't been active at all as part of the alliance since pretty much the day they joined. Another trial corp. -One or two corps have been merged into larger corps. 2 left, 1 joined...
Leet Magician Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:37:00 - [26] the above post is mine :D
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Synapse Archae So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. and in fact a PVP corp has joined. Grats ASCN. Dissappointing statistic for BoB, who have publicly tried to bully ASCN corps into leaving. Doesn't seem to be earning them any results. ohnoes, more people that WANT to fight. Whatever will we do? Regards RHNY, I've dealt with them before, they're an honorable corp, I look forward to shooting at them. :)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:42:00 - [28] Edited by: LUKEC on 17/11/2006 19:46:08 Originally by: Synapse Archae So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. They are just permanently reorganizing in empire. 1300 members(trial ofc., it was planned anyway) left since conflict started. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.17 19:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Leet Magician the above post is mine :D Try reading. As was already stated in this thread. One left, Anzacs who was also a trial account. One was asked to leave for lack of participation since joining who was also a trial account. And One joined FOR the fights.
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Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:02:00 - [31] Snip So the fair question is: Those 2 corps that left accounted for at least 1300 members? At least from reading what I have on this and other threads the loss of approximately that many members is already pretty well set in stone. So, is it true? 2 corps = 1300 members?
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:15:00 - [32] Edited by: Slowboat on 17/11/2006 20:17:23 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Snip So the fair question is: Those 2 corps that left accounted for at least 1300 members? At least from reading what I have on this and other threads the loss of approximately that many members is already pretty well set in stone. So, is it true? 2 corps = 1300 members? Don't ask a ridiculous question. In any alliance in war you are going to have faint hearts that run back to empire. I don't particularly see ASCN complaining about those people leaving. Do you? Your also probably talking about Spies that have been found and booted, Members who have been inactive to long getting cleaned out by corps and so forth. It isn't all attributed to the war as BOB would like people to think, I'm sure.
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:16:00 - [33] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 17/11/2006 19:46:08 Originally by: Synapse Archae So, what I'm getting out of this is that NO ONE HAS LEFT ASCN. They are just permanently reorganizing in empire. 1300 members(trial ofc., it was planned anyway) left since conflict started. Attrition on the BoB side would be a lot harder to measure, wouldn't it, since you collaborate closely with corps that aren't "official" members of BoB? For example, I noticed in the recruitment section that Constructive Influence has the "Help Wanted" sign out for people to work Delve. Is that partly due to wartime attrition?
TornSoul BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:20:00 - [34] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Snip So the fair question is: Those 2 corps that left accounted for at least 1300 members? At least from reading what I have on this and other threads the loss of approximately that many members is already pretty well set in stone. So, is it true? 2 corps = 1300 members? You're insinuating that ASCN are lying about just two member corps leaving? Seems you're forgetting the obvious, that individual corps will also shed members - Which doesnt mean that the corp itself is leaving the alliance. BIG Lottery [u
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:21:00 - [35] Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Snip So the fair question is: Those 2 corps that left accounted for at least 1300 members? At least from reading what I have on this and other threads the loss of approximately that many members is already pretty well set in stone. So, is it true? 2 corps = 1300 members? You're insinuating that ASCN are lying about just two member corps leaving? Seems you're forgetting the obvious, that individual corps will also shed members - Which doesnt mean that the corp itself is leaving the alliance. Its quite possible there has also been a clearing-out of alts. I remember when CLS had hit 600 members a while back, and not long after dropped to just about 350 with a major alt clearing. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
TornSoul BIG R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:22:00 - [36] Edited by: TornSoul on 17/11/2006 20:24:09 Excactly In times of war, it's not unusual to compare the "involvement" of corps with the amount of members they have. More members, more involvement is "demanded". Corps (with "slack" clean up rutines) realise this, and suddenly hurry to shed some inactives. Nothing too surprising about that really. BIG Lottery [u
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:29:00 - [37] Quote: So the fair question is: Those 2 corps that left accounted for at least 1300 members? At least from reading what I have on this and other threads the loss of approximately that many members is already pretty well set in stone. So, is it true? 2 corps = 1300 members? I am speaking out turn but I hate to see inacurate information going out. Just after the war started all corps were asked to "clean up" their rosters so HC could get a more accurate accounting of available pilots and resources. This "clean up" included getting rid of inactives, unused alts or "part time" alts (those used for empire activities). If you add in that purge with the ANZAC folks leaving I could easily see 1300 being reached. A side effect of war is that you get leaner which like real life can be a good thing.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Farham A side effect of war is that you get leaner which like real life can be a good thing. This I agree with. Originally by: Farham Just after the war started all corps were asked to "clean up" their rosters so HC could get a more accurate accounting of available pilots and resources. This "clean up" included getting rid of inactives, unused alts or "part time" alts (those used for empire activities). If you add in that purge with the ANZAC folks leaving I could easily see 1300 being reached. If this is indeed true then your alliance being "fat(ter)" than we imagined is, let me say, an understatement. gg for doing it, if it is true, but I struggle to accept it.
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:38:00 - [39] Originally by: RichThugster The Older Gamers may possibly on their way to leaving. Let me assure you that TOG is NOT leaving ASCN. TOG is a mixed corp of industrials and PVPers. And some of our industrial toons are in low sec conducting operations to support the war effort. TOG has been, and will continue to be, in the frontline of this war as much as possible.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Trask Kilraen Originally by: RichThugster The Older Gamers may possibly on their way to leaving. Let me assure you that TOG is NOT leaving ASCN. TOG is a mixed corp of industrials and PVPers. And some of our industrial toons are in low sec conducting operations to support the war effort. TOG has been, and will continue to be, in the frontline of this war as much as possible. Amen to that ! Thats the spirit !! - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies Admiral Goberius > taking advantages of bugs again? /me applauds
Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:08:00 - [41] Through a long-time friend I know that one of the smaller corps was 170members, went through their rosters and cleaned out so many members no-one had seen around they then stood at about 80 known 'actives'. This isn't BoB putting pressure on them, this is plain and simple housekeeping. Perhaps just been too lazy to go through it all before the war..? People leaving are to be expected at any time like this. If anything, and up to a point, it will streamline things I would imagine.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Farham Quote: So the fair question is: Those 2 corps that left accounted for at least 1300 members? At least from reading what I have on this and other threads the loss of approximately that many members is already pretty well set in stone. So, is it true? 2 corps = 1300 members? I am speaking out turn but I hate to see inacurate information going out. Just after the war started all corps were asked to "clean up" their rosters so HC could get a more accurate accounting of available pilots and resources. This "clean up" included getting rid of inactives, unused alts or "part time" alts (those used for empire activities). If you add in that purge with the ANZAC folks leaving I could easily see 1300 being reached. A side effect of war is that you get leaner which like real life can be a good thing. Fair answer. Thank you very much.
Olgzr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:34:00 - [43] Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire?
Sathrai Unlimited Blade Works	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? As long as they keep being good little vassals and paying their rent in isk or kind, I doubt it really matters.
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:27:00 - [45] WE HAVE SLAVES? why wont they shine my vagg?
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? By the number of secure cans hanging about empire belts with ASCN tags on it looks like the ASCN corps are finding life in Empire more to their liking. So thats a question easily answered but I guess that is not one you wanted asked.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:51:00 - [47] Edited by: Shardrael on 17/11/2006 23:51:29 Originally by: Drusus Rensus Yeah, that would be pretty consistant with what I said above. Those leaving are saying aw, sh, a war with BoB. The ones joining are saying oh yeah!, a war with BoB. In the end, if you manage to pull it together, you may end up with an alliance with a better mix of players for the environment that you are in (i.e. they enjoy, rather than dread, hostilities). If that happens, BoB did you a huge favor. just wanted to emphasize this as it falls in line with a point I was trying to make back when the war started, there are alot of enemies of both sides sitting around like vultures hoping to pick on a corpse of one side or the other after this word, what many fail to realize is that this war could end with one or both sides being signifigantly better off then they started, thereby those "vultures"(mean that with no disrespect I just think its an accurate description) may have missed there chance to tango with those they want to fight. just a minor rambling but wanted to emphasize it a bit, anyhow carry on Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
riana maldun	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Omega Man Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? By the number of secure cans hanging about empire belts with ASCN tags on it looks like the ASCN corps are finding life in Empire more to their liking. So thats a question easily answered but I guess that is not one you wanted asked. you may consider that easily answered, but I say if you judge a corp or alliance of a signifigant size by the amount of secure cans they have anywhere you are making one hell of an assumption.
desolator Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? I find the term Slave corps rather distasteful and disrespectful, frankly i dont see what makes alliances and corps allied or napped to BoB slaves, they pay nothing to us at all. I could go around calling Prime Orbital Systems ASCN Slaves just becuse of the reason they are allied and support you in the war, but i dont due to respect towards Ascn and Pos, which i must say is getting lower by the day, this quite irrelevant but i felt i had to say something _________________________________________________________
Jotan Veer Wings of Turul Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Omega Man By the number of secure cans hanging about empire belts with ASCN tags on it looks like the ASCN corps are finding life in Empire more to their liking. Sir, I have personally left at least 5 giant secure cans in Tribute, I bet they are still littering [RAWR] space and flying the ASCN flag after 6+ months...at least according to the corp assests page they are still there. That doesn't mean that we are mining into them or something.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:11:00 - [51] Somebody from ASCN do me a favor and find the forum post or blog that had to do with the alt and inactive purge earlier. Then bump it. Then post the link here. Then the BoB forum spies can read it. Then the BoB forum spies can report back to the folks in BoB with the post and the date, and "If it's true" stuff can cease, and we can all move on with our lives. Thank you in advance. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
The Fiddler Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Gungankllr .............. Whatever happened to your 'investigation' into the lies that dbp posted?
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:38:00 - [53] Originally by: The Fiddler Originally by: Gungankllr .............. Whatever happened to your 'investigation' into the lies that dbp posted? 1. "you're crying about that?" 2,3. "I'll have to ask high command and get back to you."
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:39:00 - [54] Originally by: The Fiddler Originally by: Gungankllr .............. Whatever happened to your 'investigation' into the lies that dbp posted? Originally by: Rod Blaine Gungan, and others, you can stop it. This is useless. We could discuss about what is said, what implied and whether it was supposed to represent opinion or fact for weeks here and it's not going to lead to anything. People have seen enough to draw their conclusions about this part of the whole saga now. So let's leave the excuses and fighting about them for next part ok ? And yes, this thread was posted by a BoB member yes. I know, he knows, the rest of the world can see it. It doesn't really matter. Soon enough there'll be an opportunity to do some forum fighting over new issues. Let's keep the inspiration for then ok ? In the mean while I suggest we get on with things and leave this subject to die. I was still planning on gathering the info on this, and presenting it here. I had talked to a grand total of 6 people that morning before going to work, and then off to work I went. If anybody has forgotten, I work for the U.S. Government, and I don't surf personal internet on government time. So I get back from work, and I find some bush league crap Ria (Hi Dallia btw) has posted about me. Originally by: Ria Sotori Gung, When I first posted this I truly tried to softball it to you by picking 3 of the hardest to refute I could to keep you from getting in trouble with ASCN HC by admitting to them. You missed the boat Arguing semantics on the first one when you know its been reiterated and expanded on by your HC several times and on this very forum at least 14 (I counted before I posted) times by your side was truly bad spin. The old "ill get back to you" on the other 2 are even sadder. Youve given me all the answer I need as well as the rest of the forum viewers so thank you at least for that. Its amusing at least to see how fast all the fan bois tried to derail the thread. Oh one last thing, S-H-E btw.. only dude around here is the one i kicked out of bed first to make the coffee this morning Mods pls clicky this thread its done. We used to call that "Ring and run" when I was in grade school. I haven't decided if I really care about what anybody in BoB thinks right now, nor if I really care to prove anything to anyone in BoB after that crap. The one and only thing I care about in this game is my sense of loyalty and my sense of honor. You guys just crapped all over both. Provide me with an argument why I should bother with you. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Eldwinn Royal Hiigaran Navy Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Braaage Originally by: jernej Can you give us a name of a corp that joined ASCN since the war started ? /me hopes not to get flamed by a 3 day old alt Royal Hiigaran Navy [RHNVY] have joined ASCN since the war started. This would be correct.
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 02:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Coasterbrian Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/11/2006 11:12:33 -ANZAC Alliance bailed. They were a trial corp, so no harm, no foul. -Esquadra Alpha was kicked because they haven't been active at all as part of the alliance since pretty much the day they joined. Another trial corp. -One or two corps have been merged into larger corps. TOGCO are merging into IXC. However, we have accepted three new corps so far and have applications from 40 others which I believe Cyvok will deal with when he's back Make a Difference
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:32:00 - [57] Edited by: Sirius A on 18/11/2006 04:32:46 The increase of war activities has helped ASCN deal with larger scale warfare. Other then that...business as usual Thanks BOB
rodgerd Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Eskalin WE HAVE SLAVES? why wont they shine my vagg? Too busy polishing knobs? -- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 08:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Gungankllr I haven't decided if I really care about what anybody in BoB thinks right now, nor if I really care to prove anything to anyone in BoB after that crap. The problem for you is that you said you would do it in public. By now not doing so it looks like you have something to hide. No matter how valid you may think your reasons for not answering the questions, any attempt to justify yourself will look like you are trying to squirm out of doing so. I know that it isn't fair to be viewed in that light, and if you were "just another" ASCN member, then the matter would probably have already been forgotten. However, that is not the case. You have been made the official mouth of ASCN. That confers upon you a certain level of accountability, at least if you wish to retain credibility. There are a whole host of things that ASCN have said to their membership which are, at best, unrealistically optimistic extrapolations of the facts. Now frankly I could care less about them. They amuse me, but that is all. It isn't me you are lying to. I care less about being the subject of deceit than being the victim of it. I assume that many in ASCN are probably of the same mind. Whilst spoonfeeding them an alternative view of events may keep them under the thumb in the short-term, when the reality of the situation becomes obvious to them, then the price of misinformation will be seen. I have no doubt that propoganda has already caused members to leave ASCN. Not, as you might imagine, that of BoB, but rather the propoganda that HC has used on ASCN. It is one thing to lie to the general Eve public (hi mom), but quite another to lie to your membership. Do HC have no respect towards their membership at all? No wonder some of them are packing their bags and moving out! The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 08:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=421980 Here is your answer. Plus stop calling them slaves, but vid might change your opinion -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 08:08:00 - [61] Farnkly, we were all worried when the war started, always thought bob was a **** good alliance, still think they pvp great, but the forums whoring has just made me think less of the entire bob alliance. ASCN is doing business as usual, yes we've lost a few bases, we'll get em back, and go back to business as usual, a bit smarter, much better at pvp, and finally having loads of fun with the many NEW faces in ASCN.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 08:54:00 - [62] i dun know what the big deal about fighting bob is, its fun, they are one of the few groups that you can count on to come at you with quality ships and ppl, not be be afraid to fight and not use bs(exploit) tactics. i can only speak for our corp but we thoroughly enjoy the engagements we have with bob, this war has only brought the core of our corp closer together. if you want to test your pvp skill take even numbers against bob and the outcome will be fairly indicative of how you stand. ofc there are other groups that are just as capable as bob, but most arn't as large. -xian
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 10:37:00 - [63] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/11/2006 10:48:26 Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Coasterbrian Edited by: Coasterbrian on 17/11/2006 11:12:33 -ANZAC Alliance bailed. They were a trial corp, so no harm, no foul. -Esquadra Alpha was kicked because they haven't been active at all as part of the alliance since pretty much the day they joined. Another trial corp. -One or two corps have been merged into larger corps. TOGCO are merging into IXC. However, we have accepted three new corps so far and have applications from 40 others which I believe Cyvok will deal with when he's back You really need to think hard before posting because you are embarrasing your alliance when you blatantly post incorrectly. Originally by: Xianthar i dun know what the big deal about fighting bob is, its fun, they are one of the few groups that you can count on to come at you with quality ships and ppl, not be be afraid to fight and not use bs(exploit) tactics. i can only speak for our corp but we thoroughly enjoy the engagements we have with bob, this war has only brought the core of our corp closer together. if you want to test your pvp skill take even numbers against bob and the outcome will be fairly indicative of how you stand. ofc there are other groups that are just as capable as bob, but most arn't as large. -xian You need to post more because you are one of the few who actually make sense. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:23:00 - [64] Originally by: Radeberger PS: Stop telling people not in your alliance what to do and what not to do, you really aren't worthy of such a responsibility Hmm, but you feel you are in a position to tell me what to do? Interesting. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
SPQRMocton	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:28:00 - [65] Well ,If some corps don't want to fight thats ok I personally find bob a tiresome lot that has no real interest in owning more territory they hope ascn wil buckle from within then they can insatll a new set of puppets to mine isk from. Also if the industrialists go to somewhere in safe space they are doing the same thing as bob , bob has multi front corps and lots of alts in nub corps for their freighter pilots. So to say the war is over is foolish and plain stupid , as taking space away from an alliance is not the way to kill an alliance.as a matter of fact MOST alliances don't have soveriegn space of there own I think. I look forward to bob's continued aggression in eve as eventually everyone will come to hate bob and then it will probably hurt to be a bob as they will have to hole up in delve and fight off most of eve(my personel dream) O and this is my main
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:33:00 - [66] Edited by: Pesadel0 on 18/11/2006 11:36:12 Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? Question: -How many Outposts did you loose while having "fun" in fountain? Now to answer your question: None. Ex: battle Linkage
Report Amarr The New Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.18 12:09:00 - [67] What does it matter if ASCN make BOB renters leave Bob space? That would only actually hurt bob if ASCN made BOB loose isk and as far as I can see ASCN have done nothing significant to hurt bobs pocket. If you're spening a fortune on mercs to kill non bob corps rather than giving your members ships to save your stations and maybe actually inflict damage on BOB then well you're silly.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Report What does it matter if ASCN make BOB renters leave Bob space? That would only actually hurt bob if ASCN made BOB loose isk and as far as I can see ASCN have done nothing significant to hurt bobs pocket. If you're spening a fortune on mercs to kill non bob corps rather than giving your members ships to save your stations and maybe actually inflict damage on BOB then well you're silly. considering that bob now had teams of ice miners in empire and they have 1 mothership moving ice products into delve constantly just to keep their pos running....yea i would say its had a pretty large impact on their logistical ability to maintain their pos network. -xian
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:32:00 - [69] Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Report What does it matter if ASCN make BOB renters leave Bob space? That would only actually hurt bob if ASCN made BOB loose isk and as far as I can see ASCN have done nothing significant to hurt bobs pocket. If you're spening a fortune on mercs to kill non bob corps rather than giving your members ships to save your stations and maybe actually inflict damage on BOB then well you're silly. considering that bob now had teams of ice miners in empire and they have 1 mothership moving ice products into delve constantly just to keep their pos running....yea i would say its had a pretty large impact on their logistical ability to maintain their pos network. -xian Presumably not a problem ASCN are having with their shrinking POS list.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:34:00 - [70] Originally by: Omega Man Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Report What does it matter if ASCN make BOB renters leave Bob space? That would only actually hurt bob if ASCN made BOB loose isk and as far as I can see ASCN have done nothing significant to hurt bobs pocket. If you're spening a fortune on mercs to kill non bob corps rather than giving your members ships to save your stations and maybe actually inflict damage on BOB then well you're silly. considering that bob now had teams of ice miners in empire and they have 1 mothership moving ice products into delve constantly just to keep their pos running....yea i would say its had a pretty large impact on their logistical ability to maintain their pos network. -xian Presumably not a problem ASCN are having with their shrinking POS list. how clever..... -xian
gaaksel The Legion.	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? As far as i can tell everyone is having a blast going after the "ASCN GANK SQUADS THAT ROAM BEHIND ENEMY LINES, EFFECTIVLY MAKING DELVE DESERTED SPACE" (It¦s not an exact quote but you get the idea). That is if we dont chose to do something else like slowboating through delve afk in industrials. They are in fact so scary and dangerous that we have decided to rather roam in esoteria and surrounding, hoping we might see some of those roaming gangs there, yet with no luck. I mean who would not be scared of the amazing 5 man roaming ASCN gang with a T1 cruiser being the most expensive ship in it . Besides i also thought roaming would mean changing systems once in a while but seemingly hopping from the pos at moon 2 to the pos at moon 3 also counts as roaming these days. Do us poor slave corps a favour and bring back the merc corps you had in delve for a while, at least those did not spend their time in t1 frigats in safespots all day. With kind regards the poor miners in delve.
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:33:00 - [72] Preacher, how about you stop lying to YOURSELF about when the war begins, or when you're bringing "the war" to ASCN. bob is in week 8 now, and well, yea....
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:46:00 - [73] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/11/2006 17:55:30 Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Report What does it matter if ASCN make BOB renters leave Bob space? That would only actually hurt bob if ASCN made BOB loose isk and as far as I can see ASCN have done nothing significant to hurt bobs pocket. If you're spening a fortune on mercs to kill non bob corps rather than giving your members ships to save your stations and maybe actually inflict damage on BOB then well you're silly. considering that bob now had teams of ice miners in empire and they have 1 mothership moving ice products into delve constantly just to keep their pos running....yea i would say its had a pretty large impact on their logistical ability to maintain their pos network. -xian bah, Xian, you were doing so well. This happens everytime, I say something nice about someone and they instantly say something like that :P When a member of your alliance posts something and then says "Perhaps this is propoganda", you can be 100% sure it is propoganda ;) Zungen was incorrect, apart from the fact that our titan, Moships, carriers and dreads are all on the field, we just purchased enough ice in 3ppt to last us until 2010. pm me for the details if you really care ;) Originally by: BurnYaBad Preacher, how about you stop lying to YOURSELF about when the war begins, or when you're bringing "the war" to ASCN. bob is in week 8 now, and well, yea.... ? Why would I be lying to myself? Until we are sitting fighting for AZN, this war hasn't begun. We're just stripping you of your fat at the moment. The real crunch is still a little while away. I just don't think you know what real war is. I'll give you a hint, this isn't it yet. And every member of BoB who was up in BKG will know exactly what I mean. Originally by: Olgzr Question is..how many bob slave corps have run to empire? I just checked the list of industrialists living in our regions since the start of the war. Unless Dianabolic has missed an update (and he is usually very, very good), no industrialists have left since the beginning of this war. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

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