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Simon Illian Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:42:00 - [121] an intresting test could be : Not Identified (NI) start from sys A, and want to go to sys B with his probing method. A cov ops in sys B will see NI in scan ?? and the cov ops pilot can probe it ? ____________________________________________ For all you'r Map & Data madness : http://eve.galop-spatial.com
Not identified	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:04:00 - [122] Thank you for these precision, Smagd :) .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
Not identified	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:16:00 - [123] Originally by: Simon Illian an intresting test could be : Not Identified (NI) start from sys A, and want to go to sys B with his probing method. A cov ops in sys B will see NI in scan ?? and the cov ops pilot can probe it ? No, i was very very near the moon 12, such a nearness would have to allow the me to see planete 5 at least, but as you can see it in the video, the space is nevertheless empty. It is normal because, I am not in the B system, the local chanel say in JZV-F4 At this point, my scanner is empty, no signal found, one ship physically at this point in the syteme N-FKXV, don't dTtect me. It is a paradox. These two not will not be on the same server. .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
Alexander Cris	Posted - 2007.02.09 01:48:00 - [124] U have to be blind to not see that Not Identified is a actor or ISD or DEV or GM any way u wanna call it. After so much posts u can learn english very well and there is no such person that can stay and take all the beating from non-belivers. It's the simple way to make ppl scan and scan and play eve more wich is not bad and i am sure that a lot of ppl after they saw that movie were out there probing the hell out of random systems to find nothing. There is no logical explanation how he did it and i refer to a tehnique to do that. I read all the posts he did trying to explain with axes and triangulation and bla bla bla non sence to make ppl lose track and start to belive they actualy can do that. It's ok DEV u can come out now i see all your body. Was a nice try after all.
Eshud Uktar	Posted - 2007.02.09 10:50:00 - [125] Jove space or not, i'd still like to see a bunch of systems, even clusters of systems that has no gates connected to them and thus can only be reached like this. Since there are no smuggler gates available for players this could be a fun way to sneak into high-sec with contra ban or make a safe little pirate haven not too far from empire or alliance turfs.
Babel Matrix Gallente Zitek Nation	Posted - 2007.02.09 14:52:00 - [126] Originally by: Alexander Cris U have to be blind to not see that Not Identified is a actor or ISD or DEV or GM any way u wanna call it. After so much posts u can learn english very well and there is no such person that can stay and take all the beating from non-belivers. It's the simple way to make ppl scan and scan and play eve more wich is not bad and i am sure that a lot of ppl after they saw that movie were out there probing the hell out of random systems to find nothing. There is no logical explanation how he did it and i refer to a tehnique to do that. I read all the posts he did trying to explain with axes and triangulation and bla bla bla non sence to make ppl lose track and start to belive they actualy can do that. It's ok DEV u can come out now i see all your body. Was a nice try after all. Speaking of proper english...
Jack Paladin Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:54:00 - [127] Originally by: Alexander Cris U have to be blind to not see that Not Identified is a actor or ISD or DEV or GM any way u wanna call it. After so much posts u can learn english very well and there is no such person that can stay and take all the beating from non-belivers. It's the simple way to make ppl scan and scan and play eve more wich is not bad and i am sure that a lot of ppl after they saw that movie were out there probing the hell out of random systems to find nothing. There is no logical explanation how he did it and i refer to a tehnique to do that. I read all the posts he did trying to explain with axes and triangulation and bla bla bla non sence to make ppl lose track and start to belive they actualy can do that. It's ok DEV u can come out now i see all your body. Was a nice try after all. I dont know if you remember old daggerfall but if you walked long enough (more than 30 minutes) you could arrive in next province and the game was huge with more than 1000 cities.So if this was poossible in 90 i think it could be done here but than it would explain all the lag ingame and in sectors that are close.
pulsarite Gallente Primus Inter Pares.	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:00:00 - [128] Nah, this is obvioustly a fake, as far as I know, each system works on a different server, (which is why Jita is so laggy) and the stargates work as a kind of "server transferer", so in other words, no matter how far you go from the system, you'll still be in the same system. If you have noticed this notice then you will notice that this notice should not be noticed.
Not identified	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:21:00 - [129] Originally by: pulsarite Nah, this is obvioustly a fake, as far as I know, each system works on a different server, (which is why Jita is so laggy) and the stargates work as a kind of "server transferer", so in other words, no matter how far you go from the system, you'll still be in the same system. I confirm it, but it seems to me although it was worth trying ;) We could dream about a more credible space still, the purpose of this post is also to open the discution on the drive hyper-space, the doors of jumps are only a solution of ease. She serve for regulating traffic, so they hinder our movements. .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
Zephyrys Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:48:00 - [130] Next to Jove space is another "unreachable" sector also cut off from normal space and jove space.. no jumpgates. But if you do an F10 map check with the options set to how many people are in the system you can see in the southernmost system of that area there are 2 ppl in that system.. have been for about 3 days now that I've seen. Remember this is not Jove space but the unreachable sector next to it. (unless this is considered jove space.. I'm newb so dunno if thats part of it or not) just found it interesting there are 2 pilots in a system thats supposedly unreachable
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:50:00 - [131] Originally by: pulsarite Nah, this is obvioustly a fake, as far as I know, each system works on a different server, (which is why Jita is so laggy) and the stargates work as a kind of "server transferer", so in other words, no matter how far you go from the system, you'll still be in the same system. If each system was a seperate server.. thats easily 5k+ servers for CCP to manage. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Not identified	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:29:00 - [132] Originally by: Zephyrys Next to Jove space is another "unreachable" sector also cut off from normal space and jove space.. no jumpgates. But if you do an F10 map check with the options set to how many people are in the system you can see in the southernmost system of that area there are 2 ppl in that system.. have been for about 3 days now that I've seen. Remember this is not Jove space but the unreachable sector next to it. (unless this is considered jove space.. I'm newb so dunno if thats part of it or not) just found it interesting there are 2 pilots in a system thats supposedly unreachable This is the system "POLARIS", reserved to the GM, but the GM move now, one sometimes can see which made jumps and destroyed vessels NPC They make attempts .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
Striker 503	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:26:00 - [133] Great video .. loved it.. felt like i was sitting right there with you. The Video was very well made. Fake or not the ride itself was worth it. Keep up the good work and I hope you make it it Jove Emiper.
Venture Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.15 08:41:00 - [134] Interesting. When I first started playing eve, almost 4 years ago, Jove space was well talked about. Now it seems the Jove race has taken a back seat and as of lately nothing frome them. Interesting that you would try and BM your way there. Good luck. ______________________ Ganja Unlimited Missing link "Smoke everyone and be happy!"
Da'ithi Gallente Celtic industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:44:00 - [135] Edited by: Da''ithi on 15/02/2007 14:41:24 In fairness even getting that far away from F4 was a feat in itself. I would love to see this type of thing introduced into the game. Specifically in the form or hidden gate exploration. We are all aware that probes can detect spacial anomalies. Perhaps utilizing the method as described herein it could be possible to move a few AU towards another system, at which point the chance to discover a "hidden" and functioning gate will be available. These gates could jump to nearby systems or maybe even jump massive distances across the map. This would move exploration up as a profession. Think of the value of establishing such a network. Surprise attacks, quick escapes, spying, quick fleet movement. This could be a move to sovereignty claim on jump gates too.
PillbotzRevenge	Posted - 2007.02.15 16:45:00 - [136] Well NI.. I loved your video. The 2nd was better then the first. (alot clearer) I had to put up with NI in local for like 3 weeks. Always dropping a comment or 2 about how far out he was. I hope you had fun. I did watching your video. Cheers to whatever you take on next!
DOGNOSH Minmatar Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:21:00 - [137] typical EVE player, always trying something new, hence making us the best Not Identified, well done and thank you, whether you are real or actor, made me think and made me try things I enjoyed this very much -------------------------
Not identified	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:11:00 - [138] Thank :)) .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.24 16:50:00 - [139] Originally by: Babel Matrix Speaking of proper english... FFS, Will you lighten up? Where do you come from? Have you ever had to learn another language? Or are you one of these insanely closed minded people that have nothing to say but flame people for their inherant problems with a language that is not their own? Leave it. To the op, well done that you have tried and have succeeded (within reason) to get to Jove space. That is what exploration is about. Spice of life etc. Also ignore idiots like those that can do nothing but flame any problems they have with english not being your mother tongue. Good job, and don't forget to say hi to me if you see me. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
DireLord	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:19:00 - [140] Edited by: DireLord on 27/02/2007 17:17:23 Allow me to post my 2 isk's. I believe that the EVE universe is divided into maps, that would be 5000 "maps" (one for each system). Every "map" then consists of some essential parts. I.E a star, planets, moons, belts, gates and a sky-like background. Then comes the additional features such as Stations and exploration sites. Every "map" dont have other limits than these and as most of us know, empty space has no requirements so therefore there is no borders of a solar system. The star map positions your ship in proportion of the current system (JZV-F4). So you would be able to warp so your position marker where at the Jita main station although you would still be in JZV-F4. When you activate a Stargate you open up another "map" and switches your curent system with the new, thereby getting into a new map with similar infinite borders. So even if your able to position yourself directly inside the Jovian station on the EVE star map, it would not be there until you had the N-FKXV system "map" loaded. So unless you have a method of changing your current session i'm afraid there is no way to get into Jove space before CCP implements a way of doing it. Best bet is to get a Titan or a mothership to jump to the system. But i doubt thats possible. But a great attempt m8 really enjoyed it. These are all my thoughts and i have no idea if they are true or not, but thats the way i would have done it.
Silas Beit Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.03.05 00:54:00 - [141] A very interesting piece of footage, someone on a mission of discovery the likes of which we don't often see in eve! I wish you the best of luck in your quest... I don't see any point in the flaming though even if its not real its still a fun thing! I guess some people feel the need...
Not identified	Posted - 2007.03.05 06:18:00 - [142] Originally by: DireLord When you activate a Stargate you open up another "map" and switches your curent system with the new, thereby getting into a new map with similar infinite borders. So even if your able to position yourself directly inside the Jovian station on the EVE star map, it would not be there until you had the N-FKXV system "map" loaded. So unless you have a method of changing your current session i'm afraid there is no way to get into Jove space before CCP implements a way of doing it. A activation by the proximity would be logical I tink, the GM could very well give a new dimention to our space. I dare to believe that eve is not that a labyrinth, and that gate is not only there to regulate traffic on waiter server . .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
Frank Juval	Posted - 2007.03.06 03:29:00 - [143] Originally by: Babel Matrix Edited by: Babel Matrix on 02/02/2007 16:41:27 Concerning the "zone wall": First off, has anyone ever found this thing? Now, code-wise, having an "infinite" space means that, theoretically, new space has to made when a pilot reaches a certain boundary, (the server cannot simply hold infinite space because it does not have infinite capacity.) If this is how the system works, a few pilots could gather together and, using NI's tactic, run in opposite directions away from the system's star, slowly reaching out by many AU's. This would stretch out the boundaries of the star system because there's no walls and, with time, overload the system as it tries to process all the newly created space it had to make to compensate for our very dumb pilots. Since the server does have some form of memory limit, it would have to crash or drop the pilots or somehow compensate for their disasterous journey. Now, ALTERNATIVELY, if there are zone walls, what do they look like, are they visible, how far out of the outermost orbit are they, and what message does it pop up with? Do Jovians come out and wtfpwn you for trying to F with the server? Has ANYONE confirmed this? If the video is 100% legit, than one must worry about the server or, alternatively, wonder if there's some form of "backup" server attached to each star to carry these fools out into their pointless expeditions, (I understand you wanted to prove inter-star travel is possible, but the limitations of 21st century technology will probably never make this useful, aside from getting a few claps and whistles.) That, or the zone walls are SO vast that even his journey never found them? So, the major question: Is this video a hoax, thus supporting the idea of zone walls, or is it legit, in which case we have to ask a few major questions concerning the capabilities and tactics employed by the hardware? Once you hit the zone-wall, you are way too far away from anything in the system to notice it getting further away, and when you attempt to travel "past" the zone-wall, you're actually standing still, except that the server calculates the distance you've traveled and tells you (through the you-are-here on the map) where you are relative to the the zone you are in. Did that make any sense? Not Identified's video isn't "fake". He was technically in the right place, but in the wrong system, since the server never let him change zones. CCP should put in some system that changes your zone if you travel that far "beyond" the zone-wall. I'm sure many of us would enjoy the more seamless feel of the game, being able to travel from system to system like this.
Frank Juval	Posted - 2007.03.06 03:36:00 - [144] Originally by: DireLord Edited by: DireLord on 27/02/2007 17:17:23 Allow me to post my 2 isk's. I believe that the EVE universe is divided into maps, that would be 5000 "maps" (one for each system). Every "map" then consists of some essential parts. I.E a star, planets, moons, belts, gates and a sky-like background. Then comes the additional features such as Stations and exploration sites. Every "map" dont have other limits than these and as most of us know, empty space has no requirements so therefore there is no borders of a solar system. The star map positions your ship in proportion of the current system (JZV-F4). So you would be able to warp so your position marker where at the Jita main station although you would still be in JZV-F4. When you activate a Stargate you open up another "map" and switches your curent system with the new, thereby getting into a new map with similar infinite borders. So even if your able to position yourself directly inside the Jovian station on the EVE star map, it would not be there until you had the N-FKXV system "map" loaded. So unless you have a method of changing your current session i'm afraid there is no way to get into Jove space before CCP implements a way of doing it. Best bet is to get a Titan or a mothership to jump to the system. But i doubt thats possible. But a great attempt m8 really enjoyed it. These are all my thoughts and i have no idea if they are true or not, but thats the way i would have done it. That's what I'm trying to say
Akuma Gouki Amarr Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:01:00 - [145] Edited by: Akuma Gouki on 08/03/2007 10:01:21 This was very much not a hoax. Before Revelations (when the video was made), one could fly way the hell off-grid and it would show you in the EVE map as being nowhere near the system the game recognized you being in. There was a famous 1000 AU safespot in G-7WUF in IAC space that I have a bookmark for. If you warped all the way to the bookmark (would usually take multiple warps due to cap), you'd just be in a really deep safe 1000 AU from the IAC Distillery outpost. When you opened up the EVE map you appeared to be somewhere very far away, past a few other systems. You still had local of G-7WUF, and the game still recognized you as being there. You could even still see the sun of that system.. just like in this video. He's still in the JZV-F4 system, but he -should- be in Jove space according to his map coordinates. I think that was the whole point he was trying to make. *** I think it'd be awesome if CCP made this a feasible way to get into Jove space, even if all it meant was you'd get shot by CONCORD-like Jove spawns. I wonder if it would be possible to put a sort of invisible barrier or something between systems that would automatically cause the session change necessary to "jump" to the Jove system?.. Might be a bit disorienting and a tad unrealistic (as the background and such would probably just change suddenly), but it would do the trick. EDIT: added the crap under the astericks.
raven415 Caldari Special Projects Corp	Posted - 2007.03.11 04:04:00 - [146] It would be a venture i would be willing to try
Not identified	Posted - 2007.03.11 18:57:00 - [147] Edited by: Not identified on 11/03/2007 18:55:27 Originally by: raven415 It would be a venture i would be willing to try CCP does not want any more too much than we got lost there deep space, they have so to find an effective solution. It is now impossible to enlarge the view of a distant solar system, but it was not sufficient, they saw to it as well as the "You are here" rest in the current sun system. This type of navigation is not more possible than for the judged, without any reference points. This type of journey will be also longer (the deviation of the probes is now reduced well). To make again this type of journey, it would be necessary that ccp accept that the "You are here" re-indicates position reality of the vessel on the map. It is a question of will of their part, have they envy to see pilots making this type of pilgrimages ? They will make of the inter-stellar space, a space has complete part ? .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.
Castar Aliastra	Posted - 2007.03.11 19:36:00 - [148] Kinda lame it doesn't work anymore, I thought this was very cool. I really think CCP should implement exploration like this. It wouldn't be too hard. Just have a max radius around the sun for every solar system, and when a ship crosses that radius, have a system change and calculate where he is and have a system-change. This last thing would be quite difficult, but since this won't happen that often (I think), so it won't be too heavy on the server. They could implement a "no mans land" where nothing is, and which automatically sends you back to your last system, with a message not to try again, to prevent people getting hopelessly lost (though that would be part of the thrill). Then of course they would need to implement new systems with no stargates, so it's actually useful. Player constructed stargates might be nice, but not nescessary. Wishful thinking of course, sadly none of it will happen. Very sadly, since it would lift EVE to another level. Name a MMORPG that doesn't have boundaries? EVE could be a first (of course there's that no-man's land, which would be a kind of boundary still, but it would still be a first to have areas of the world/space that people actually don't know about and have to completely discover for themselves...). - Fluffy Wuffy Bunny > Die, pig. * Fluffy Wuffy Bunny utterly destroys you in a bunnylike fashion. Fluffy Wuffy Bunny > Victory is mine!
Vrognem Minmatar Coalition of Inter-Galactic Addicted Rodents	Posted - 2007.03.15 02:14:00 - [149] Amazing... I really like doing this sort of stuff in other games with large environments, never really tried in eve (don't have probe skills anyway...). Keep it up - you have inspired me to try get into jovian space at some stage now... great >_<. I love the mystery of it!
Not identified	Posted - 2007.03.15 11:36:00 - [150] The most beautiful things remain to discover :)) .::.. ..: ..::. .::. :::.: ::.. :... :.::.. :.:: .. ...:.:: .::.. :..: ...:. ::.. ..::.

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