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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:37:00 -
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random guy on twitter 5s ago:
"killed and podded in one second, while STILL in warp, by a smartbomb... i am VERY mad bro. #tweetfleet"
https://twitter.com/#!/RaidEn_EVE/status/145224568091586560
he does not know that:
- client did not knew that user was dead on the server
- user warped -> happy
- died in warp -> very unhappy
with fixed meachnics the would die on the field in the smartbomb and all would be good and interpreted as fair game
a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
234
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:44:00 -
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Smartbombs do kill stuff coming in and out of warp.
What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
346
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:53:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:Smartbombs do kill stuff coming in and out of warp.
but not in warp
a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:21:00 -
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Eh, big deal if I lose my pod. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
96
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:07:00 -
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Hainnz wrote:Eh, big deal if I lose my pod.
In most blobs the actual benefits of the implants don't really matter. Since many eve pvpers just blob others they don't need to bother with them. But for those of us who do small scale or solo pvp the benefits from pirate implants can be very substantial.
Losing them do to unreliable game mechanics can really start to hurt.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ivan Joukov
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
2
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:37:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:the next thing to fix is client side performance when your ship is exploding. You still get unresponsive UI and even a progress bar (!) which is actually not acceptable for a pvp game if you think about that.
if CCP really can't improve the issue think about implementing automatic warpout.
pod warps automatically 1000km in a random direction, the only way to prevent it is to have a bubble.
reasoning:
- if warpout jamming, client freezes etc WOULD be fixed in future, there would be no podkills in lowsec anymore anyway
- podkills in low ONLY happen because of technical issues
- or pilot mistakes forgetting about session timers, for example pilot wants to dock or jump (again: technical issues)
+1 one that, I had the same problem and there's clearly a post-patch problem and client-side odds with podding.
-áDavai!
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
348
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:41:00 -
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Hainnz wrote:Eh, big deal if I lose my pod.
don't warp if you don'T want to. you decide. right now its just influenced by server load or client performance.
a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
96
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:22:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:
If you calmly hit/spam the warp button and there's no bubble trouble, you live.!
It depends on client and internet lag. You don't always live. Even before incarna it was glitchy.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Jenshae Chiroptera
238
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:10:00 -
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On a related note. I went from high sec into the worm hole, saw a ganker camping, waited a bit with default cloak then decided best thing to do would be to jump back out.
One session change failure later, my ship is gone but I fortunately managed to warp my pod away.
Ideas and stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
96
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Posted - 2011.12.10 11:39:00 -
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Eisen Obliema wrote:Myself and several members of my alliance have experienced all of these issues. However we have noticed them since Incarna, so they are not new to Crucible. In fact if you read the EvE blogs, you can see that these issues have been around since Incarna with no real response from the Devs. ....
I heard that when they went with the carbon ui it caused more client side lag.
Again I don't really care if ccp wants to make it so we always get podded or never get podded but the game mechanics should be reliably based on how you play the game not your computer.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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DangerosoDavo
EVE Is Dead
8
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:26:00 -
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Good news, pod reimbursed, there was an issue on their end that the gm found and success...
maybe there is hope for a bug fix in future.... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
99
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:57:00 -
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DangerosoDavo wrote:Good news, pod reimbursed, there was an issue on their end that the gm found and success...
maybe there is hope for a bug fix in future....
 The logs showed something!!!!
Glad to hear it though. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
96
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:09:00 -
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DangerosoDavo wrote:Good news, pod reimbursed, there was an issue on their end that the gm found and success...
maybe there is hope for a bug fix in future....
I will say the gms are often fair when they do find something.
The problem is really that their hands are often tied because the logs don't show client lag or internet lag. The logs just show you hitting the warp button once every 3 seconds instead of 5xs per second.
Internet gaming is not yet ready to sort out who gave these sub second commands first. I wish ccp would acknowledge that and stop making important consequences in their game hinge on it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Opertone
Signal 7
The Jagged Alliance
53
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:18:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:DISCLAIMER: I am not a programmer or designer. My word is not law on this matter.
However: Spamming a button is never a feature and is never guaranteed to work. Spamming the warp button has never been a 100% guarantee escape and it was definitely not designed to be so. In fact, spamming any button can cause client side lag. It may help you get the perfect timing right, it is just as likely to drown the client or your connection and make things worse.
It is really explained by the word "spamming", which is never a good thing. Btw, this is true for almost all software. Even a simple text program will fall behind or filter out some commands when you mash your buttons fast enough, let alone a complex program like EVE.
My only advise is: do not fly what you cannot afford to lose. If your ship gets caught, your pod is in dire straights as well. It may get out, but it may go squish all the same if your attackers are paying attention.
Dear GM, introduce POD catapult. Leave ship behind - new incentive to eject early. |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:47:00 -
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I'm glad you got your ISK back but giving ISK to people who don't deserve it is no better than letting people get podded who don't deserve it. People who choke need to die horribly. People who don't choke need to escape (absent a bubble.) It shouldn't come down to lawyering and petitioning. |
DangerosoDavo
EVE Is Dead
8
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:27:00 -
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Jonathan Ferguson wrote:I'm glad you got your ISK back but giving ISK to people who don't deserve it is no better than letting people get podded who don't deserve it. People who choke need to die horribly. People who don't choke need to escape (absent a bubble.) It shouldn't come down to lawyering and petitioning.
+1
however petitioning wont get you your isk back.. unless there is actually a problem. People should die if they dont know how to save there pod in low/null without bubble. however if someone has a problem that is legit then petitions and bug reports should be sent. your perfect world scenario doesnt always exist.. especially in eve. |
iCaldari
QWERTY ASDFG
2
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:32:00 -
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This has been talked about already, and its an issue.
ccp fix this **** already .. i lost my tengu too like that, 20 seconds with the warping bar full and **** wouldnt move or start warping or letting me to anything else just tanking untill I died. |
Xolve
Epidemic.
145
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:38:00 -
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iCaldari wrote:This has been talked about already, and its an issue.
ccp fix this **** already .. i lost my tengu too like that, 20 seconds with the warping bar full and **** wouldnt move or start warping or letting me to anything else just tanking untill I died.
That was just punishment because you are bad, and should feel bad.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:52:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:gfldex wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:DISCLAIMER: I am not a programmer or designer. My word is not law on this matter. That might be the reason why you wrote the following bullshit. GM Homonoia wrote:Spamming the warp button has never been a 100% guarantee escape and it was definitely not designed to be so. It used to work so well that anybody in his right mind was doing it all the time. That has changed. Why was it changed? Was it a side effect or a change of policy. If it is the former it's a bug. If it's the latter it needs to be in the patch notes. GM Homonoia wrote:Even a simple text program will fall behind or filter out some commands when you mash your buttons fast enough, let alone a complex program like EVE. I don't know what kind of computers you are using but I can't think of any text program that would fail to process the input buffer so hard that a human being could outperform it. I'm terribly sorry but you reasoning can only be seen as a fairly bad compilation of lame excuses. Edit: It would be nice to be allowed to post on this forum without having to take any post into the clipboard to prevent it from being eaten by a bug. I may not be a programmer, but I have a very solid background in both software development and EVE; I would not comment on these things if I was completely clueless. I am aware that spamming the warp button greatly increased your chances of getting out. When I was simply a player and not a GM we told our alliance grunts to do exactly that. However, it was never a full proof thing. I lost quite a few pods despite that tactic. We also did not change that 'mechanic', not consciously. Some code may have been introduced that affects that particular behavior as a side effect, but considering that behavior is partly there because the way client/server communication works across the internet, that possible behavioral change is more likely a technical thing and not a design change. As I said earlier, this is not a game mechanic, but the way the technology behaves. If the tech is changes, behavior might change. However, even though it is not an official design, if the behavior changed in a way that is undesirable me and my colleagues will keep an eye on things. And any solid feedback is welcome.
Another angry, ignorant player schooled in how to computerz... |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.12.15 23:54:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Shad0wsFury wrote:
When CCP goes and fiddles with things, even minor things, they often do not explain the change they made, or even acknowledge that they made a change at all. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING ASPECTS OF BEING A PLAYER. I'm cool with you changing whatever you want whenever you want, AS LONG AS YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU CHANGED. Such "ninja-nerfs" as they're called by players are getting very tiresome and increasingly frustrating. Be upfront with what you change, regardless of whether you deem it a bug or exploit or WHATEVER, and a lot of players will be a lot less agitated when you change little things like this. I realize a lot of work goes into big releases like Crucible, but seriously if you're not keeping records of EVERYTHING you change and how much work goes into any given item, then you really should be, and there should never be a reason to hide this information from the players. No, you shouldn't give them a list of known exploits, but when an exploit is fixed, it should never, ever, be a secret.
As I said before, if the 'warp pod after ship destruction' behavior changed, then it was a side effect, not an intentional change. We try to list every possible change we make to our patch notes. Nothing is left out intentionally with the exception of certain exploits. Shad0wsFury wrote:
Also, your GMs clearly need more experience playing EVE, and that experience should be well-rounded, not just shooting players 23/7 or rocks 23/7 or running manufacturing jobs or any other single thing 23/7. And if you can't manage that, maybe you should assign specific GMs with specific experience to specific areas of interest like PvP, mining, et-cetera.
We have specific GMs with specific specialties. We also have all-round GMs. Of course, some GMs are more experienced than others, bot those dealing with game play issues generally have quite a bit of EVE experience. Personally I have been playing since January 2006. I have flown almost every ship type, I have been in alliance leadership (space holding/conquering), I have been an industrialist and a PvPer, lived in NPC 0.0 and empire. The only things I have never really done is wormhole occupancy, T3 ships, suicide ganking and extensive mission running (mining ftw!)
And his best friend...
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
96
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Posted - 2011.12.16 02:00:00 -
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DangerosoDavo wrote:Jonathan Ferguson wrote:I'm glad you got your ISK back but giving ISK to people who don't deserve it is no better than letting people get podded who don't deserve it. People who choke need to die horribly. People who don't choke need to escape (absent a bubble.) It shouldn't come down to lawyering and petitioning. +1 however petitioning wont get you your isk back.. unless there is actually a problem. People should die if they dont know how to save there pod in low/null without bubble. however if someone has a problem that is legit then petitions and bug reports should be sent. your perfect world scenario doesnt always exist.. especially in eve.
Petitions have nothing to do with lawyering. If the logs show an error you get reimbursed. If not you don't. What Ferguson seems to fail to realize is that even people who don't "choke" often still get podded due to the internet not being instantaneous in its communications.
It may be that due to his internet provider or his location he has always gotten his pod out absent a bubble or smarty but for others that is not the case. In eve how good your internet connection is will have a large impact on how competive you will be. People can look at stats or whatever you want but a *very* significant aspect of the game has nothing to do with choking or not choking. It has to do with your internet provider.
That is why Jack dents proposal here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=491606#post491606
That pods be given time to warp out is not a scrub suggestion. Its a suggestion from someone who understands that the internet is not "instantaneous" so making mechanics based on the assumption that they are, is stupid.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.12.16 03:30:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:
That's close, but not entirely true.
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Sorry to disagree but ping does not and cannot represent speed in any form. Please reference any documentation on ping and its elements and forget all interpretation. Speed is constant on any type of network at 186,282 miles per second. Fact. What you are referring to is the amount of information that can be carried AT THAT SPEED which is always variable and for ease of use is referred to as speed - but wrongly so. And as a registered nerd, Zagdul - I will not shut up
A person can simply reference "speed" as the time it takes for information to accumulate. Speed can refer to rate of progress. Totally legit use of the word.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
34
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Posted - 2011.12.16 04:21:00 -
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Klandi wrote:Dust Fourtwenty wrote:bandwidth is not speed
ping is speed Just to be PERFECTLY correct: Speed of broadband is constant (speed of light) so ping and bandwidth incorrectly reference "speed" but it is the easiest to understand. Ping attempts to send a packet of information to gather statistics about its journey. How long it took to get there and return that information (if allowed) is returned and it does not reference speed.
Electric signals in copper wire propagate at roughly 2/3c, depending on how crappy your cabling is.
Optic signals in fibre cable propagate at speed s with s < c since while the carrier wave itself may travel at c, it does not travel down the fibre in a straight line, but gets constantly refracted at the outer edges of the fibre ("bounces between them"). So the distance inside the fibre is actually longer than the fibre itself resulting in signal propagation speeds below the speed of the carrier wave.
You are correct that "ping" does not measure speed but round-trip time. But, in the absence of anycast setups, usually time to a relatively fixed destination. If now the routing path stays the same you have time and a rough idea of the distance to the destination (if you actually know the destination's location; also distance here is not length of the traveled path), thus speed in a distance per unit of time sense. An information transmission speed though, not physical signal propagation speed.
In practice this is largely irrelevant though, since icmp echo is, due to small packet sizes and the protocol design, less affected by differences in the deployed switching technologies along its path, has no retransmission delays, congestion control algorithms, uneven endpoint support of things like selective acks, various fragment reassemblies along the path or window scaling problems on the endpoints.
There are myriads of possibilities why your echo RTT can be good, but the time it takes your application to successfully transmit a specific amount of information down what you perceive to be the same path via TCP very bad.
Game clients are much like interactive shells tough and not bulk transfers, so a bad baseline RTT which can be established via "pings" can dramatically increase the subjective unresponsiveness of the application. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
298
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:07:00 -
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Given how much implants can give large advantage in this game, I have asked ccp diagoras to give some statistics on this here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=851310#post851310
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:14:00 -
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I never used to get podded, I could always escape. Since crucible I've been getting podded loads. On every occasion the UI was telling me I was actually in Warp.
I did petition all this, but I was told the records couldn't prove anything either way. I just assumed I was sucking more, but now this thread makes me think again.
Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
364
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:34:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:DangerosoDavo wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Only 30mb fibre optic? You might as well have dial up lol england is behind the times. 30mb is considered fast. the fastest possible is 100mb in england. (residential) still its a download speed of 3.7MB/s ish. Ignore him, he just makes badposts to wind people up.
A really bad DOUCHE is more like it.............
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
490
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:37:00 -
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^ he is more like a bumbledouche then anything
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
364
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:40:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: The logs showed something!!!!
For once !
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
364
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:43:00 -
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Jonathan Ferguson wrote:I'm glad you got your ISK back but giving ISK to people who don't deserve it is no better than letting people get podded who don't deserve it. People who choke need to die horribly. People who don't choke need to escape (absent a bubble.) It shouldn't come down to lawyering and petitioning.
Wow. You really like your name bunches.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2923
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Posted - 2012.03.08 16:11:00 -
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whatever whateverson wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Lady Spank wrote:DangerosoDavo wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Only 30mb fibre optic? You might as well have dial up lol england is behind the times. 30mb is considered fast. the fastest possible is 100mb in england. (residential) still its a download speed of 3.7MB/s ish. Ignore him, he just makes badposts to wind people up. Actually, this is a fairly serious post. I'm from the UK too, but I currently live in Japan. I also have a fibre optic connection, but it is a 100MB line, for about the equivalent of -ú25/month. I was being a little facetious in my post but that was more to illustrate the paucity of BT's infrastructure  Anyway, sucks to lose your pod dude  Yeah and my line is between 500-1000mbs
I know I'm a little late to the reply, but this snarky attitude really 'grinds my gears'. Why is it inconceivable that other countries' infrastructures are far in advance of your (I assume) North American or European standards? Fibre optic connections are very common here now, and cheap too (compared to the UK and US)
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