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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
858
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:27:45 -
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Damn, I was hoping my mom wouldn't post that video.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
596
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:40:15 -
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Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder. Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on. Yours can launch 5 sentries. Mine can launch 4 sentries.
Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake.
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1629
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:46:45 -
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Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.
So, SKINs are currently taken from corporations belonging to a faction. The basic hulls already fly the colors of the Sisters of EVE. You want to say that CCP are being "lazy" for offering the colors of The Sanctuary, the only other corporation that is (openly) affiliated with the faction.
What else should they do? Conjure up another SoE corp just to please you? Blow the cover of one of their seekrit corps just to please you? Pull the SKIN just to please you?
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1528
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Posted - 2015.06.11 17:51:36 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less. So, SKINs are currently taken from corporations belonging to a faction. The basic hulls already fly the colors of the Sisters of EVE. You want to say that CCP are being "lazy" for offering the colors of The Sanctuary, the only other corporation that is (openly) affiliated with the faction. What else should they do? Conjure up another SoE corp just to please you? Blow the cover of one of their seekrit corps just to please you? Pull the SKIN just to please you?
Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all. |
Arec Bardwin
1845
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:36:14 -
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I totally feel your pain Entity. Oh wait, that's just my hemorrhoids acting up!
On a serious note; this is why I never buy expensive collectibles ingame. CCP may ruin the value of them on a whim. |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1630
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:36:19 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all.
OK, so you're in the "make up a new corp just to please a few people" camp. You just gloss over the part where it's not just the available colors that define the livery. The US flag is not the French flag.
Noted.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Khanid Voltar
Third Way Retirement Corp
43
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:45:07 -
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Entity wrote: It's not good for the game in the long run.
You mean its not good for the value of your collection.
Which I would agree with, if it were not for the fact that a number of your items were gifted to you (for free) by other players.
Like someone else said it is just a skin. It isn't as if skins come with extra ship bonuses.
Deal with it
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1502
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:59:46 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:I totally feel your pain Entity. Oh wait, that's just my hemorrhoids acting up!
On a serious note; this is why I never buy expensive collectibles ingame. CCP may ruin the value of them on a whim. I'd be more worried about their value being reduced if we saw another 125mbit band/500m^3 Drone Bay stratios variant rather than just a paint job. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1528
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Posted - 2015.06.11 19:33:02 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all. OK, so you're in the "make up a new corp just to please a few people" camp. You just gloss over the part where it's not just the available colors that define the livery. The US flag is not the French flag.
Well it was good enough for Ralph Lauren.
Oh no, please, no unnecessary filing work on my account. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1502
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Posted - 2015.06.11 19:49:04 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder. Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on. Yours can launch 5 sentries. Mine can launch 4 sentries.
Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake. Sure. This is about the stats. Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages. So the fact that the ship remains distinct in a far more meaningful way than its skin is somehow irrelevant to the uniqueness of the ship and its value?
Do you honestly think the paint job alone constituted the bulk of the draw here without the stats, name or scarcity on top of having to chose between use and transferability/collection of the item? |
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1528
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Posted - 2015.06.11 20:40:08 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder. Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on. Yours can launch 5 sentries. Mine can launch 4 sentries.
Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake. Sure. This is about the stats. Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages. So the fact that the ship remains distinct in a far more meaningful way than its skin is somehow irrelevant to the uniqueness of the ship and its value? Do you honestly think the paint job alone constituted the bulk of the draw here without the stats, name or scarcity on top of having to chose between use and transferability/collection of the item?
Paint jobs constituting a draw is the entire basis of the skins feature. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, he has a right to complain. You can't have it both ways. Well you can if you're one of those "he's rich, who cares" types, I guess... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1504
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Posted - 2015.06.11 21:29:22 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Paint jobs constituting a draw is the entire basis of the skins feature. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, he has a right to complain. You can't have it both ways. Well you can if you're one of those "he's rich, stick it to him" types, I guess... Seems like some flawed logic here. The skin system was designed to create a draw to those same paint jobs, not particular hulls. The feature was not designed for the sake of unique hulls as there is no need or benefit from it under those circumstances.
The clain of trying to "have it both ways" doesn't apply since the single rare item is becoming no less rare and only marginally less distinct and even then only for those that give up the ability to trade the skin. There is room to complain but, until skins change the ships they are on to other ships, It's not much.
If this were the case where the ship was defined purely by the skin that would be a different situation as the whole of the distinction were being given away. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8781
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:00:55 -
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I am late to the party, and because I am so flabbergasted, I need to confirm with you first that Entity is actually crying over pixels in a internet spaceship game?
Fret not however as I have a genuine article with me as a consolation gift.
Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.
Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31852
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:04:59 -
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Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run. Dude their logic for these things is ass backwards. The assortment of digital prizes for the Fanfest cosplay thing was all over the board. A mix of nice and not-great things to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place... by my math, 2nd place got boned. I can't decide if it's a matter of not playing the game enough to know where items come from, a lack of regard for where they do, or a complete lack of taste.
In general, though, I disagree with limited availability outside of AT. Limit the availability window, but not the quantity. Quafe skins for whoever purchases a Twitch HD stream, yes. Something so mainstream as the SOE gunner jacket for just one person at Fanfest for cosplaying, no.
It's "exclusive" by definition... people will be excluded. But in EVE it causes resentment and anxiety for not much profit benefit. Players should not have reason to direct their ire at the company, but EVE is special.
Help, I can't download EVE
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kyoukoku
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
38
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:42:21 -
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Fatoria Hemah wrote:Putting in Skins for ships to look-alike unique onse is such a horrible thing. It's like we go to the olympic games and got told 'Well we decided the 2nd and 3rd best athlets can get a Gold painting on their medals it they want. Don't worry, it's still silver and bronze on the inside' - all would go wtf and for good reason Same here, there have been unique ships handed out on special events like winners of Alliance tournaments. If it's too hard to update those skins with better graphics if there aren't that many just let them keep old skins, makes them just look more special ;)
Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but the Olympic Gold Medal has barely any gold in it's composition. It is just a plated skin:
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medal#Production_and_design wrote:The IOC dictates the physical properties of the medals and has the final decision about the finished design. Specifications for the medals are developed along with the National Olympic Committee (NOC) hosting the Games, though the IOC has brought in some set rules:
Recipients: The top three competitors receive medals Shape: Usually circular, featuring an attachment for a chain or ribbon Diameter: A minimum of 60 mm Thickness: A minimum of 3 mm Material: First place: It is composed of silver of at least .925 grade, plated with 6 grams of gold. Second place: .925 silver.[10] Third place: It is mostly copper with some tin and zinc (worth approximately $3).[11] Event details: The sport for which the medal has been awarded should be written on the medal
So ultimately it is the stats which make the item unique not the skin.
There's also the old saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover". |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1352
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Posted - 2015.06.14 17:42:44 -
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Your logic is so hilariously stupid people are at a loss for words. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:33:28 -
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Entity wrote:- If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content.
An idea from Entity I can get behind. CCP shouldn't waste resources making ships that entitled babbies will never undock. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
360
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:33:46 -
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Sup with T2 ships now sharing skins with t1 ships?
They made excuse a while ago that we couldn't use the same skin license for both ships cuz quote "then people could get them confused and not be able to tell them apat"
Now lots of t2/t1 ships with same hull model share same separate skin for sale license.
Y not combination one? Combo Value meal! |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
39225
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:03:57 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Sup with T2 ships now sharing skins with t1 ships?
They made excuse a while ago that we couldn't use the same skin license for both ships cuz quote "then people could get them confused and not be able to tell them apat"
Now lots of t2/t1 ships with same hull model share same separate skin for sale license.
Y not combination one? Combo Value meal! One of the CCP staff explained that on Reddit (can't remember who).
That was a policy CCP had in place for a long time, but apparently following the community response to closing off the bug and comments about SKINs for T2 ships, there was internal discussion and they changed their approach.
My personal opinion, is that is a bit of a cop out, but I also think CCP have handled the whole SKIN thing poorly.
So, it is what it is now. No more restrictions based on visual gameplay issues.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3136
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:42:14 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run. We have a saying here for spoiled kids: "Close your eyes and you-¦ll see what belongs to you"
The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids.There are those who achieve wealth by themselves and there are those who stay scrubs .Be it with scamming , taking Alliance money , or just being a verry good trader at the end of the day unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash you made this possible yourself and not by being ''spoiled by daddy''.
I can understand why entity is a bit ''upset'' about this , but on the other side entity you should know better by now then to expect CCP to not do something like this.After all this isn't the first time if i recall right that you come to GD to '' reclaim the right for rarity''.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Neckbeardian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:37:24 -
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OP, The skin might not be as unique as it used to be but the stats show otherwise. A skin doesn't make or break a ship. Just additional eyecandy everyone in the game can enjoy now. OK with it's limits but I guess it's going somewhere? At least now you can freely play spacedoll online a lot more cheaper compared to before ... Jeez ...
Anyway, for sure CCP was going to reskin or provide another skin for it anyway. Now that you alerted them ... Well ... Incoming hotfix for the guys who can? oO |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
441
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:57:22 -
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flakeys wrote:
The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
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So, there are spoiled kids.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
863
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:03:14 -
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flakeys wrote:I can understand why entity is a bit ''upset'' about this , but on the other side entity you should know better by now then to expect CCP to not do something like this.After all this isn't the first time if i recall right that you come to GD to '' reclaim the right for rarity''.
I've (succesfully) defended items (including ones I do not own) from a similar fate before.
Also, it's not about being spoiled or anything. I'd be a bad collector if I did not try and defend that which I've done for the past 12 years.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
963
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:42:39 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:flakeys wrote:The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
. So, there are spoiled kids. Does that make them spoiled kids if they "made" that cash themselves IRL?
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Rawthorm
D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two
55
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:53:02 -
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Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less. There's 2 problems with this: - Clearly everyone who is saying looks aren't important are forgetting that they're apparently important enough for CCP to charge you for them. - If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content. What's next? A ship with the same stats as a unique? "Oh but it has a different name so it's ok, your ship is still special". Yeah whatever
Speaking of CCP laziness, I also think it's about time that CCP stopped neglecting unique ships when balancing passes are done. It's disheartening to see some beasts released as unique ships, only to find them severely underpowered as the game progresses simply because they got left out of the stats changes that applied to the ships they were originally based on. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8875
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:01:29 -
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I'm with Entity on this one. Keep up the good fight.
Although I personally threw in the towel a while back and sold off all my unique ships and fashion before they completely lost their value and uniqueness.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Wacktopia
Noir. No Not Believing
803
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:17:04 -
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Throwing in my support for Entity here.
Unique sips (including their skin) are an important trophy to many players and hold great value both in ISK and in bragging rights.
Taking that away for a cheap buck devalues those items and the purpose of having unique items in general.
Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com
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Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
153
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:05:53 -
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I see Entity's point and I agree with the sentiment that CCP is just finding a way to make some easy money (perhaps to offset the loss of subs?) but regardless, if both ships undocked it would instantly be clear which is the real thing and which is just a tacky paint job.
And for the record I wouldn't buy a ship skin either, if it ain't the real thing I'm not interested. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3141
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:11:46 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:flakeys wrote:
The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
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So, there are spoiled kids.
Every rule has an exception dude , common knowledge
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3141
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:12:43 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:flakeys wrote:The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
. So, there are spoiled kids. Does that make them spoiled kids if they "made" that cash themselves IRL?
Nope ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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