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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:13:52 -
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Really?
So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins"
Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot.
I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store.
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Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:17:08 -
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I like Battleships.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:23:12 -
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Spaceship barbie tears are glorious.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
777
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:28:11 -
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Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. I can paint my car to look like a police car, but it's not a police car, because it doesn't have a cop motor, cop shocks, and it was made after catalytic converters so it runs terrible on regular gas. It is not the new Bluesmobile.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:32:25 -
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Reminds me when Hasbro decided to milk more money out of the GI Joe toy line by re-releasing existing vehicles in chrome.
Regular Cobra HISS Tank Chrome! Cobra HISS Tank
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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:33:11 -
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Oooo gotta have the shiny one!
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Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
124
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:34:24 -
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Read this.
More importantly, this part:
Quote:CONVERSION AND NEW SKIN PLANSThe general conversion plans will give you a SKIN if you had a Blueprint perviously, or a SKIN and base ship if you had a skinned ship. If you do not have the ship at the time of conversion (ex. you sold it or it was blown up) you will not receive a SKIN. The conversion process is as follows:
- Skinned ships will become a base version of the same and a SKIN item for that skin will be added to the owning players redeeming queue. For example: If you have a Megathron Quafe Edition you will get a standard Megathron in the same location as the original, and 1 Megathron Quafe SKIN (Permanent) item placed in your redeeming queue.
- Skin Blueprints will become a number of SKINs equal to the number or runs remaining on the blueprint. They will all be placed in the redeeming queue. For example: If you have an Abaddon Tash-Murkon Edition 10 Run Blueprint you will receive 10 Abaddon Tash-Murkon SKIN (Permanent) items in your redeeming queue.
- Skinned Ships and blueprints which are located in a corporation owned location will find the new SKINs in their HQ deliveries hangar. Ships will not move.
- Skin blueprints that drop in game will become time-limited SKINs that last 30 days once activated.
- Pirate ships which are skinned through blueprints that drop in-game (4 destroyers, 4 battlecruisers) will become the base ship and 1 time-limited version of the SKIN.
- Any special edition ships or BPCs in the market or contracts will be cancelled and refunded the ISK it cost to put them up. The ships and BPC's will then be converted over as normal.
- Codes and referral packs which reference ship skins, or skin items in your redeeming queue will provide a copy of the SKIN equivalent when redeemed.
- Ship skins BPCs in your redeeming queue will be converted into SKINs in your redeeming queue.
- Any SKINs in general, which are given to you under this conversion will be put in your redeeming queue.
As a way to reward early adopters of the Ship Paint Pilot Program, and in preparation for the new SKIN system release, all existing skin Blueprints will no longer be purchasable from the NES as of the publication of this dev blog.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
822
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:35:35 -
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And this is relevant how?
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:38:49 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. I can paint my car to look like a police car, but it's not a police car, because it doesn't have a cop motor, cop shocks, and it was made after catalytic converters so it runs terrible on regular gas. It is not the new Bluesmobile.
Except this is a video game. The visual identity is part of the allure of these things. the fact there's even a skins system proves my point looks matter.
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:39:21 -
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If they put plaques or a unique logo on the older hulls would it help?
Not a troll btw, I agree rarity ships skins shouldn't be recycled. Although if they are really good designs and there's huge demand for them the people likely to complain are a tiny minority.
Poke them in the feedback thread, you're more likely to get a dev reply there.
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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:40:39 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:If they put plaques or a unique logo on the older hulls would it help? Not a troll btw, I agree rarity ships skins shouldn't be recycled. Although if they are really good designs and there's huge demand for them the people likely to complain are a tiny minority. Poke them in the feedback thread, you're more likely to get a dev reply there.
Unique decals would be acceptable.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:40:57 -
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If the special ships never undock, does it matter? The hull's still rare.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:44:45 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:If the special ships never undock, does it matter? The hull's still rare.
Counter question: Why does it matter if they undock or not? This is a sandbox game. You do with your stuff whatever you want.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:49:35 -
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Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
I'm missing the point I think.
All I see in the image is a blue stratios. What's so special about it?
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
866
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:50:29 -
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Your tears are soo yummy
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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:51:29 -
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Elenahina wrote:I'm missing the point I think.
All I see in the image is a blue stratios. What's so special about it?
Look up Stratios Emergency Responder
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1164
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:52:31 -
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I would hope the new sanctuary SKIN and the Statios Emergency responder would look different.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Xtreem
Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance
295
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:53:59 -
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What I can say is i am VERY pleased to have offloaded my scorp ishkone watch ships before skins hit, I made isk, if i had kept past this change i would have lost ALOT, i feel for the people that had rare ships that were turned into skins :-( |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
681
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:59:56 -
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Entity wrote:Elenahina wrote:I'm missing the point I think.
All I see in the image is a blue stratios. What's so special about it? Look up Stratios Emergency Responder
Ok, now I get the problem. And I agree with Entity. If they were intended to be limited issue ships, then they should remain as they are.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
777
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:00:04 -
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Entity wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. I can paint my car to look like a police car, but it's not a police car, because it doesn't have a cop motor, cop shocks, and it was made after catalytic converters so it runs terrible on regular gas. It is not the new Bluesmobile. Except this is a video game. The visual identity is part of the allure of these things. the fact there's even a skins system proves my point looks matter. The only place looks matter, is in station when you spin your ship.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
186
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:28:22 -
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Emergency Responder Federation Navy Comets please |
Kaaeliaa
Khanid Separatist Movement
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:45:27 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Spaceship barbie tears are glorious.
As a known Spaceship Barbie in OOPE, comparison to OP is a joke.
OP is whining about his stupid e-peen toys no longer making his e-peen look big and hard. Nothing to do with visuals.
Amarr delenda est. Glory to the Khanid Kingdom!
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:53:28 -
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This shouldn't matter. The ship that these people have will be called "Stratios". The ship you have in your hanger will still be called "Stratios Emergency Responder". Don't worry Entity nobody is going to take your special collection away from you. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:58:29 -
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Oh wait never mind I see now "The visual identity of these ships is what makes them unique" - No I completely disagree. CCP are expected to update these ships every time there is a graphics update - If they didn't you and your little cabal of super richy richies would kick up SUCH a **** storm. I don't think its too much of an ask for them to be able to reuse these skins for other purposes. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:05:13 -
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The Slayer wrote:Oh wait never mind I see now "The visual identity of these ships is what makes them unique" - No I completely disagree. CCP are expected to update these ships every time there is a graphics update - If they didn't you and your little cabal of super richy richies would kick up SUCH a **** storm. I don't think its too much of an ask for them to be able to reuse these skins for other purposes.
There's no point reusing skins when the skins system is so enormously flexible as demonstrated by the "any skin on any ship" bug. Reusing unique ship skins is just cheap and disrespectful.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:05:50 -
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Entity wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:If the special ships never undock, does it matter? The hull's still rare. Counter question: Why does it matter if they undock or not? This is a sandbox game. You do with your stuff whatever you want.
EVE is an MMO. If nobody else ever sees the ship, what it looks like hardly matters.
You're one of the lucky few who own a Stratios Emergency Responder. It would be immediately distinguishable on the overview if it ever undocked. I still don't see the problem.
And honestly, the pearl-clutching about how CCP should guarantee that certain arbitrary "investments" by a handful of arbitrarily space-rich capsuleers are always rare and profitable, and that even their outward appearance should be kept from the hoi polloi, is not something I'll ever understand. Enjoy what you have while you have it. It's all CCP's property anyway.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:14:51 -
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I really hope that when last unique ship of its class dies , CCP will allow to get unlimited number of them from LP store , but for huge amount of ISK and LP.
When i started play this game, after reading tons of guides all around eve i wanted one thing RAVEN! , after a while i noticed there is a navy version, and about 2 days later someone linked in jita Raven State Issue!
For whole day i was searching web and systems , just to know where i can get one
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
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Moth Eisig
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:16:51 -
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If it's as big of a deal as you say it is, I'll trade my skinned Stratios for your Emergency Responder. I'll even throw in a couple thousand isk extra. I'll make the contract when I get home from work. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:17:15 -
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Entity wrote:The Slayer wrote:Oh wait never mind I see now "The visual identity of these ships is what makes them unique" - No I completely disagree. CCP are expected to update these ships every time there is a graphics update - If they didn't you and your little cabal of super richy richies would kick up SUCH a **** storm. I don't think its too much of an ask for them to be able to reuse these skins for other purposes. There's no point reusing skins when the skins system is so enormously flexible as demonstrated by the "any skin on any ship" bug. Reusing unique ship skins is just cheap and disrespectful.
"Disrespectful"? Really? Who exactly are they disrispecting by making these ships available to more people than currently have them. I agree certain things should be restricted, items that were given away for to Tournament winners for example, but in the case of the item you listed and the others given away by these ill fated "competitions" on EVELotterytotallynotanRMTsite.com their very EXISTENCE was disrespectful, hence CCP deciding not to issue them any more. I have no issue with this skin being reused for something not as completely idiotic as the inital giveaways were. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
826
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:23:25 -
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The Slayer wrote:Entity wrote:The Slayer wrote:Oh wait never mind I see now "The visual identity of these ships is what makes them unique" - No I completely disagree. CCP are expected to update these ships every time there is a graphics update - If they didn't you and your little cabal of super richy richies would kick up SUCH a **** storm. I don't think its too much of an ask for them to be able to reuse these skins for other purposes. There's no point reusing skins when the skins system is so enormously flexible as demonstrated by the "any skin on any ship" bug. Reusing unique ship skins is just cheap and disrespectful. "Disrespectful"? Really? Who exactly are they disrispecting by making these ships available to more people than currently have them. I agree certain things should be restricted, items that were given away for to Tournament winners for example, but in the case of the item you listed and the others given away by these ill fated "competitions" on EVELotterytotallynotanRMTsite.com their very EXISTENCE was disrespectful, hence CCP deciding not to issue them any more.
Blame the owners of item X for the circumstances in which X entered the game. GJ Mr Strawman.
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X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:24:53 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:... and about 2 days later someone linked in jita Raven State Issue! For whole day i was searching web and systems , just to know where i can get one
I have one for sale.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
380
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:26:53 -
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Entity wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. I can paint my car to look like a police car, but it's not a police car, because it doesn't have a cop motor, cop shocks, and it was made after catalytic converters so it runs terrible on regular gas. It is not the new Bluesmobile. Except this is a video game. The visual identity is part of the allure of these things. the fact there's even a skins system proves my point looks matter.
I will never pay for a ship skin if it makes you feel better. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:27:24 -
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Entity wrote:Blame the owners of item X for the circumstances in which X entered the game. GJ Mr Strawman.
At what point did I blame you? |
Yuri Ostrovskoy
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
35
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:35:32 -
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Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
What cracks me up, is people think they have an actual say in Ccps choices. We provide feedback sure, but in the ends, it's thier game, thier choices, not mine, yours, ours, but theirs. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
826
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Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:What cracks me up, is people think they have an actual say in Ccps choices. We provide feedback sure, but in the ends, it's thier game, thier choices, not mine, yours, ours, but theirs.
There's a monument outside jita 4-4 that would like to have a word with you.
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
3986
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:59:55 -
[36] - Quote
Nothing CCP does surprises me any more. I always expect to get screwed over in some way. |
Yuri Ostrovskoy
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
35
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:06:16 -
[37] - Quote
Entity wrote:Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:What cracks me up, is people think they have an actual say in Ccps choices. We provide feedback sure, but in the ends, it's thier game, thier choices, not mine, yours, ours, but theirs. There's a monument outside jita 4-4 that would like to have a word with you.
Prffftt, you see my corp name? I ain't goin to jita, not again. Dear god, the carnage. Timmy didn't even make it out, and Dave....daaavvvvveee....
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
105
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:46:54 -
[38] - Quote
I know, for a fact these ships look best when gold or shiny black. CCP you lazy people... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1859
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:55:37 -
[39] - Quote
Entity wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:If the special ships never undock, does it matter? The hull's still rare. Counter question: Why does it matter if they undock or not? This is a sandbox game. You do with your stuff whatever you want.
CCP decided that in their sandbox they can use what is theirs (any art asset in the game) and did what they wanted with it (sell it as a skin).
I guess they followed your exact definition of sandbox. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1859
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:56:34 -
[40] - Quote
Entity wrote:Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:What cracks me up, is people think they have an actual say in Ccps choices. We provide feedback sure, but in the ends, it's thier game, thier choices, not mine, yours, ours, but theirs. There's a monument outside jita 4-4 that would like to have a word with you.
Why don't you go shoot it over this stupid crying? |
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
692
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Posted - 2015.06.04 21:37:44 -
[41] - Quote
Wait, are we saying we can have blue stratios' now? I haven't looked at vthe skins market lately
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
206
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Posted - 2015.06.04 21:54:05 -
[42] - Quote
Elenahina wrote:Wait, are we saying we can have blue stratios' now? I haven't looked at vthe skins market lately
On June 9th, Sanctuary SKINs for SoE ships will start arriving. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/new-skins-this-summer/
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2015.06.04 22:16:41 -
[43] - Quote
Did they ever actually release a statement saying "this Somer.blink raffle is the only time these items will be seeded into the game"? |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
832
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Posted - 2015.06.04 22:19:10 -
[44] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:Did they ever actually release a statement saying "this Somer.blink raffle is the only time these items will be seeded into the game"?
They did. They're not seeding Emergency Responders though, they're reusing the skin. But I still think it's lame to do that.
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Marsha Mallow
2192
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Posted - 2015.06.04 22:27:02 -
[45] - Quote
Kaaeliaa wrote:OP is whining about his stupid e-peen toys no longer making his e-peen look big and hard. Nothing to do with visuals. OP is normally quite nice as far as I recall, and I've never been all that clear if that's a he or a she, so careful with those claws there :P
Dersen Lowery wrote:You're one of the lucky few who own a Stratios Emergency Responder. It would be immediately distinguishable on the overview if it ever undocked. I still don't see the problem.
And honestly, the pearl-clutching about how CCP should guarantee that certain arbitrary "investments" by a handful of arbitrarily space-rich capsuleers are always rare and profitable, and that even their outward appearance should be kept from the hoi polloi, is not something I'll ever understand. Enjoy what you have while you have it. It's all CCP's property anyway.
Bit harsh. Those 'lucky few' might have worked hard to be awarded or to buy their unique items. I don't set any store in them either, but I can see why some do, and I really don't see any need to sneer at people who have different goals/hobbies. If I won an AT ship or put a lot of effort into acquiring a collectible, I'd go nuts if CCP arbitrarily ruined that just to make some dirty MT money. It is disrespectful, on various levels, and it cripples parts of the market that are actually quite fun.
We need high value items as a goal for the general playerbase and a minigame for the bigwallet players - and right now all of them are ludicrously unstable. That's actually really destructive if taken too far. Plex price volatility in the last 2 years suggest that the big hitters are moving away from these items to the detriment of the rest of the playerbase - and I'm not sure it's intentional on their part.
Some of you really need to dial down the bitterness towards people with more ISK than you. It's not a crime, not all of them started in 03, and you can 1v1 them anytime. A lot of the richest people ingame are really surprisingly supportive of new players who want to play the market. It's a niche gamestyle, and whether you like it or not, people like to compete over stuff.
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly.
1603
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Posted - 2015.06.04 22:44:16 -
[46] - Quote
Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
We have a saying here for spoiled kids: "Close your eyes and you-¦ll see what belongs to you"
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Marsha Mallow
2192
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Posted - 2015.06.04 22:55:33 -
[47] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:We have a saying here for spoiled kids: "Close your eyes and you-¦ll see what belongs to you" We have a saying here for cunts. It starts with a c
Read the earlier remarks btw, it's not all whinging.
The title is bad tho and does look a tad emo. I'd try chopping out the CCP part and just ask the question: Is it OK to...?
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1633
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:18:40 -
[48] - Quote
In before the rant lock.
EVE forums are a harsh universe and your critism is unwanted.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1168
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:21:48 -
[49] - Quote
Cut through the lines and previous awful upper management level decision making at CCP means that the core values that once underpinned eve as a true sandbox game are now being undermined in a brazen and potentially futile endeavour to cater for the simple masses to claw back what sensible forward planning and realistic evaluation would have identified as red flags long before millions of pounds worth of eve subscription cash was thrown down the pan allocated away from a core product.
60k people online at peak times a few years back. < 30k people online at peak time now. Figures and statistics speak for themselves. By default arguement a sandbox that loses half its average playerbase online at any given time therefore loses 50% of potential interactions and all subsequent offsets. Thus, the more that the online number dwindles the more the snowball effect comes into play moving foward in light of diminishing player interaction leading to less people opting to play as a result.
A farmer selling out on old principles to endeavour to over milk a cow that has given her worth over time, but ultimately has been mismanaged is evidence the estate is going belly up. Watering down the milk in the hope more will suckle at the detriment of the taste, does not guarantee sustainable sales moving forward.
What am i saying / tdlr?
I concur with OP.
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
480
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:44:38 -
[50] - Quote
The SER is unique because of its stats, not its skin. A skinned Stratios doesn't have the improved stats of an SER so nobody has disrespected you. If and when they strip the stats off your ship, feel free to lodge a formal complaint... |
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Solairen
Matsuko Holding
253
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:45:54 -
[51] - Quote
This thread disappointed me.
I got all excited about a Stratios SKIN, and logged in to buy it with my last remain AUR from before the price change (never buying that **** again).
Only to discover it's not on sale yet |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1649
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:48:38 -
[52] - Quote
When I see a skinned Stratios in space, all I see is a regular Stratios. No way for me to even know there's anything different about it without zooming all the way in, and I'm certainly not doing that every time I see one.
If I ever see one of your fancy Emergency Responders, I'll instantly know what it is because of the "GANK MAGNET" written on my overview.
I guess I might understand your point of view a little better if I was the owner of one of those fancy hulls. Care to donate one?
Who put the goat in there?
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
480
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Posted - 2015.06.04 23:52:42 -
[53] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Bit harsh. Those 'lucky few' might have worked hard to be awarded or to buy their unique items. I don't set any store in them either, but I can see why some do, and I really don't see any need to sneer at people who have different goals/hobbies. If I won an AT ship or put a lot of effort into acquiring a collectible, I'd go nuts if CCP arbitrarily ruined that just to make some dirty MT money. It is disrespectful, on various levels, and it cripples parts of the market that are actually quite fun.
Except that's not what's happening at all. The SER is unique because of its stats, not its skin. I'm pretty sure no one with a Chremoas would care if CCP released a Dramiel skin that looked the same, because the point of a Chremoas isn't how it looks, it's how it flies.
If all you wanted to do with an SER was spin the pretty ship in the hangar, you didn't need to own it. You could do that from the ship preview thingy. The release of skins has literally no impact on your ability to continue to spin your SER in the hangar. An SER is unique for its stats alone, which are still just as relevant as ever the moment you undock one. |
Marsha Mallow
2194
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Posted - 2015.06.05 00:18:28 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Except that's not what's happening at all. The SER is unique because of its stats, not its skin. I'm pretty sure no one with a Chremoas would care if CCP released a Dramiel skin that looked the same, because the point of a Chremoas isn't how it looks, it's how it flies.
If all you wanted to do with an SER was spin the pretty ship in the hangar, you didn't need to own it. You could do that from the ship preview thingy. The release of skins has literally no impact on your ability to continue to spin your SER in the hangar. An SER is unique for its stats alone, which are still just as relevant as ever the moment you undock one. If the looks didn't matter, unique ships wouldn't have been skinned in the first place. Entity just had the balls to write what everyone else is edgy about here. Unique ships were unique because of their stats and their appearance. It is very much about vanity and epeen, and so what if it is? What's wrong with showing off, eh?
Given how bad the SKIN implementation is shaping up, pushing for older ship hulls to retain their value doesn't really seem all that unreasonable. It's not like we haven't asked for a date of birth and manufacturer tramp stamp anyway. It's a cheap and dirty concession to do these things using the existing 'decal' system.
I don't have any rare ships of note btw, but the people I chat to want them because they are 'sexy' in all sorts of ways. I like them, and I think their right to be 'sexy' should be preserved, admired and ogled.
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Kaaeliaa
Khanid Separatist Movement
76781
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Posted - 2015.06.05 00:29:53 -
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Sigh, shoulda used an /s
I get what Entity is saying here, even if I don't entirely agree. Collector ships never get undocked anyway, no one's going to see them.
But CCP's attitude towards ship skins is completely ****** from top to bottom, so there's that.
Amarr delenda est. Glory to the Khanid Kingdom!
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
487
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Posted - 2015.06.05 01:09:16 -
[56] - Quote
While I don't see it as a big issue, as the special Stratios still has unique stats, even if not the skin.. But personally, I'd rather a different skin, as I don't find that one very appealing lol |
Marsha Mallow
2198
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Posted - 2015.06.05 01:26:34 -
[57] - Quote
Kaaeliaa wrote:I get what Entity is saying here, even if I don't entirely agree You have my axe, just hold the line.
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2015.06.05 01:56:24 -
[58] - Quote
Replica, copy, similar, unique, limited edition & fake.. made in china, Swiss made, signed copy... owned by someone famous, the list is endless
Every item ever made has always been a copy, even if its a one of a kind item, neverbeen made before. Everything we have learnt is because of a copy of what we already have. This is the core mechanic of our knowledge handed down by generations before us.
Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni, commonly known as Michelangelo,
He was an Italian sculptor, painter, architect, poet, and engineer of the High Renaissance who exerted an unparalleled influence on the development of Western art.
Even his work is a copy, because of the way you actually see. Everyone reading is thinking , what is this dude smoking..
So.. what the jimmy is me on about...
Light rays enter the eye through the cornea, the clear front GÇ£windowGÇ¥ of the eye. The cornea's refractive power bends the light rays in such a way that they pass freely through the pupil the opening in the center of the iris through which light enters the eye. The iris works like a shutter in a camera.
yes yes get on with it....
The retina is a mass of light-sensitive neurons, called photoreceptors, which change light signals into electrical ones. Photoreceptors contain chemicals that change when they are hit by light. This causes an electrical signal, which is then sent to the brain along the optic nerve. Different types of photoreceptor allow us to see an enormous range of light.
Yes Google did play a massive roll in some of the details.. i'm not smart but i can copy paste .../pun ( was intended )
The very first item will always remain special & the very last item will always be a copy of the first. With a similar value. Everything else will be forgotten, unless its seen, then you always think of the very first & the last item. Such is the way of how we all think. The fact that without a copy, this topic wouldn't have been started & your ship you have we wouldn't have even thought about it.
Out of sight, out of mind
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Christopher Mabata
The Interstellar Manipulation Consortium
389
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Posted - 2015.06.05 02:16:17 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. I can paint my car to look like a police car, but it's not a police car, because it doesn't have a cop motor, cop shocks, and it was made after catalytic converters so it runs terrible on regular gas. It is not the new Bluesmobile.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2874
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Posted - 2015.06.05 02:21:41 -
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Entity wrote:Elenahina wrote:I'm missing the point I think.
All I see in the image is a blue stratios. What's so special about it? Look up Stratios Emergency Responder Yes, but it is a different ship than the regular Stratios in ways beyond just visuals.
Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
25416
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Posted - 2015.06.05 02:34:34 -
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Entity, I don't have a collection like yours. Most people don't, and some of them are probably hating on you for that reason.
This move is akin to putting Max Singularity's outfit on NES store, reusing the graphic assets and putting a new name on it. Unique items should be unique, no matter what the demand for them.
And hilarious that people are arguing utility. It's a video game, folks. All of your space pixels are equally worthless.
All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1170
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Posted - 2015.06.05 03:14:41 -
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Xtreem wrote:What I can say is i am VERY pleased to have offloaded my scorp ishkone watch ships before skins hit, I made isk, if i had kept past this change i would have lost ALOT, i feel for the people that had rare ships that were turned into skins :-(
I dunno, having a unique ship that probably never leaves the hangar vs a skin you can reuse over and over on any scorp. Although that way you never see it on a killmail. market sell orders are for 20 bil and that is what I remember them selling for. I did buy a rattlesnake victory edition for the skin. although I'm kinda over the SKIN hype and thinking about offloading.
the stratios emergency responder at least has special stats.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37803
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Posted - 2015.06.05 03:20:31 -
[63] - Quote
I totally get where entity is coming from on this.
From CCP's own devblog, part of the reason we can't have any SKIN on any ship is because of visual gameplay implications:
CCP FoxFour wrote:Another concern of allowing any SKIN on any ship is making Tech 1 ships resemble Tech 2 ships which would have visual gameplay implications. While deciding what SKINs to offer in the release of this feature we carefully selected SKINs for ships by making sure that if we offered a SKIN for that ship the same look was not used by its Tech 2 counterpart. This is the reason why for example there is no Sarum SKIN for the Apocalypse, as it would too closely resemble the Paladin.
Yet here, just because the Stratios Emergency Responder is not a T2 variant, it's ok to have the potential for that very same visual gameplay implication.
That seems like a strange decision in my view.
A lot of us in the forum are happy to scream blue murder when we feel an issue affects us personally, but switch very quickly HTFU when it only affects someone else.
In this case, it seems like that is happening here too; which to a degree is a shame, since it would be great if we stuck together as a community to continue to let CCP know that the way they have managed the SKINs implementation has been really quite poor all around. This is another example.
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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
3181
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Posted - 2015.06.05 03:39:45 -
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How am I supposed to feel like a special little snowflake now |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
1489
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Posted - 2015.06.05 03:41:47 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Yet here, just because the Stratios Emergency Responder is not a T2 variant, it's ok to have the potential for that very same visual gameplay implication.
That seems like a strange decision in my view. Note that your chances of encountering a Stratios Emergency Responder in space are extremely close to zero, while T2 ships are very common.
From a graphics development standpoint, there's a maintenance cost associating with keeping the look of a particular hull/faction combination rare, since those ship looks need to be updated from time to time as technologies change. So, Team Size Matters has assessed each ship in the game with a special look, to determine whether its look should be preserved as unique, going forward.
Some ships, such as the Tempest Tribal Issue or Gold Magnate, will have the uniqueness of their looks preserved. Others, such as the Stratios Emergency Responder, may resemble closely a ship with a SKIN applied. It's an assessment that they made on a case-by-case basis.
Note that, while there is value in having certain items remain very rare in the game, CCP has never promised that rare items would remain rare for all time, or hold their value indefinitely.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37805
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Posted - 2015.06.05 03:50:10 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Note that your chances of encountering a Stratios Emergency Responder in space are extremely close to zero, while T2 ships are very common. Scammer:
- Apply Stratios skin, screenshot.
- Post contract selling Stratios Emergency Responder and include link to image for extra visual proof.
Visual gameplay implication, surely?
Obviously a trap for the stupid, but it's no different in terms of the principle of visual implication than 2 ships being in space together (what's the chance the players are zoomed in enough to actually see them visually on screen?)
Irrespective of whether you are likely or not to see a Stratios Emergency Responder in space, the principle of visual gameplay implication is still there.
If there are no Vexors in system, what's the visual gameplay implication of an Ishtar skinned the same? Or other T2 variants if no T1 variants are around.
In that case it comes back to potential and while the chance is higher that you will have them in the same system, the principle still holds irrespective.
So whether it makes sense from a development perspective, that's great. Developer issues are obviously important, but so are community issues. On this project they have been somewhat in conflict and remain so.
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Rob Kashuken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
78
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Posted - 2015.06.05 05:29:48 -
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I think that taking scamming as a reasoning is somewhat shallow, given that there already have been scams invoking the Etana, Guardian Vexor and State Raven already. I guess the combination of the hull and the green corner mark fool some people.
Hell, they don't even have to be remotely similar - I've seen Charon/Carbon and Gnosis/Gneiss scams actually work (people raging in local).
Contract markets can be very entertaining.
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Given that the special ed ships though generally have different attributes (slot layout, PG/Cap/Dronebay), I'm not entirely convinced that the look of the ship detracts from it being a hanger queen anyway.
However, the approach CCP has taken does appear inconsistent. The Cambion (as an example) visually is very different from a Nugoeihuvi skinned Merlin, whilst both are a red-highlighted version of the same hull.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37806
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Posted - 2015.06.05 05:39:17 -
[68] - Quote
Rob Kashuken wrote:I think that taking scamming as a reasoning is somewhat shallow, given that there already have been scams invoking the Etana, Guardian Vexor and State Raven already. I guess the combination of the hull and the green corner mark fool some people.
... ...
However, the approach CCP has taken does appear inconsistent. The Cambion (as an example) visually is very different from a Nugoeihuvi skinned Merlin, whilst both are a red-highlighted version of the same hull.
Scamming isn't the reasoning. It's just an example.
The reasoning is CCPs own words. No one else's. It's in the devblog.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
157
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Posted - 2015.06.05 05:45:17 -
[69] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I would hope the new sanctuary SKIN and the Statios Emergency responder would look different.
From the linked picture and images of the Stratios Emergency Responder, they really are too similar. Got to look very closely to see any difference. The distinction should be greater. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
209
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Posted - 2015.06.05 05:58:28 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Bit harsh. Those 'lucky few' might have worked hard to be awarded or to buy their unique items. I don't set any store in them either, but I can see why some do, and I really don't see any need to sneer at people who have different goals/hobbies. If I won an AT ship or put a lot of effort into acquiring a collectible, I'd go nuts if CCP arbitrarily ruined that just to make some dirty MT money. It is disrespectful, on various levels, and it cripples parts of the market that are actually quite fun. Except that's not what's happening at all. The SER is unique because of its stats, not its skin. I'm pretty sure no one with a Chremoas would care if CCP released a Dramiel skin that looked the same, because the point of a Chremoas isn't how it looks, it's how it flies. If all you wanted to do with an SER was spin the pretty ship in the hangar, you didn't need to own it. You could do that from the ship preview thingy. The release of skins has literally no impact on your ability to continue to spin your SER in the hangar. An SER is unique for its stats alone, which are still just as relevant as ever the moment you undock one.
Very well said. Nothing to add. Does it really matter if The color would be slightly different? Dark blue or deep blue. Vexor's family looks very similar to each other, meanwhile GV does recognize easily. Name and Stats making them uniqe as well as quantity available. |
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Rob Kashuken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
79
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Posted - 2015.06.05 06:01:40 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Rob Kashuken wrote:I think that taking scamming as a reasoning is somewhat shallow, given that there already have been scams invoking the Etana, Guardian Vexor and State Raven already. I guess the combination of the hull and the green corner mark fool some people.
... ...
However, the approach CCP has taken does appear inconsistent. The Cambion (as an example) visually is very different from a Nugoeihuvi skinned Merlin, whilst both are a red-highlighted version of the same hull.
Scamming isn't the reasoning. It's just an example of the same principle (my earlier post explains the reasoning as I see it). The reasoning is CCPs own words. No one else's. It's in the devblog.
Ah, ok. Cheers for the clarification. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2225
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Posted - 2015.06.05 06:08:09 -
[72] - Quote
Entity wrote: There's a monument outside jita 4-4 that would like to have a word with you.
I bet if shooting it made you go suspect, a lot fewer people would go and shoot it over minor things. Thus actually reserving it for major things. Of course, shooting the monument was not what actually changed CCP's mind, it was just a small part of the overall protest that occurred. |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2015.06.05 06:10:05 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:[quote=Scipio Artelius]
Note that, while there is value in having certain items remain very rare in the game, CCP has never promised that rare items would remain rare for all time, or hold their value indefinitely. Niiiice! collectors ships for everyone? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1110
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Posted - 2015.06.05 06:54:15 -
[74] - Quote
Wasn't that the ship they donated to Somer-Blink?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2015.06.05 07:14:30 -
[75] - Quote
I'm waiting for Imperial Issue style skins for apocalypse, armageddon, and paladin!
Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
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Satan's Spawn
Satan's Enterprises
11
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Posted - 2015.06.05 08:19:07 -
[76] - Quote
Skins are al another waste of EVE time tbh. One of those silly things in game.
Meanwhile, actual bugs remain in game for years - fix the PI graphics so that they don't bork and go all weird for starters. Spend money there instead. |
Swaghetti YoIonese
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.06.05 08:55:17 -
[77] - Quote
I have been told entity is the richest guy in eve online with two digit multiples of trillions. ccp, plz, if you make a change on behalf of a single multiple trillion heavy individuum who sheds some tears about some pixels, then I start writing my personal list of changes you should make on my behalf. thank you |
Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.06.05 09:31:33 -
[78] - Quote
Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
This is your punishment for generally being a elitist bastard, reseller and a nooby ripoff. Its part of your image that you support: "I'm entity, sell me your rare items for bottumprices, and i might not resell them later for topdallar with alts"
Wtt emergency vs 5 cargo expand II bpos?
Regards/groetjes
Pelle
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37812
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Posted - 2015.06.05 09:35:30 -
[79] - Quote
Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:I have been told entity is the richest guy in eve online with two digit multiples of trillions. ccp, plz, if you make a change on behalf of a single multiple trillion heavy individuum who sheds some tears about some pixels, then I start writing my personal list of changes you should make on my behalf. thank you And if you don't support other players (not entity specifically. What your individual wealth is shouldn't matter), then why should anyone including CCP support you and your list of changes?
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Swaghetti YoIonese
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.06.05 10:00:02 -
[80] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:I have been told entity is the richest guy in eve online with two digit multiples of trillions. ccp, plz, if you make a change on behalf of a single multiple trillion heavy individuum who sheds some tears about some pixels, then I start writing my personal list of changes you should make on my behalf. thank you And if you don't support other players (not entity specifically. What your individual wealth is shouldn't matter), then why should anyone including CCP support you and your list of changes?
I just wanted to put this whining of a high-flown individuum into relation. I just dont like ppl putting them selves as super special, only because they have unlimited amount of isks. |
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Valkin Mordirc
1091
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Posted - 2015.06.05 10:04:18 -
[81] - Quote
The Stratios ER gets a 125 m/b Bandwidth.
I would assume the SKIN version does not.
So you Ship is still special? Unless of course they took your Strat ER away and gave a normal one. That would make me a little miffed.
#DeleteTheWeak
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4058
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Posted - 2015.06.05 10:17:56 -
[82] - Quote
Entity wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:If they put plaques or a unique logo on the older hulls would it help? Not a troll btw, I agree rarity ships skins shouldn't be recycled. Although if they are really good designs and there's huge demand for them the people likely to complain are a tiny minority. Poke them in the feedback thread, you're more likely to get a dev reply there. Unique decals would be acceptable.
Well we are 90% OK then. :D To clarify the Stratios Emergency Responder is a Sanctuary ship and has the Sanctuary logo on it. SKINs are not supposed to change the logo on a ship. If you look at the Paladin with the default SKIN and the Paladin with the Blood Raider SKIN they have the same logo. I went to get a screen shot of this to show you for the Stratios and noticed that with the Sanctuary SKIN the logo does change. This is a defect and we have a defect written up for it internally and it will be fixed later this summer.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2015.06.05 10:40:43 -
[83] - Quote
Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.
I have seen the skin for sale for 25 Billion ISK, so I don't imagine many being sold. But the whole idea is crap. If eventually, I can buy a Raven State Issue Skin for say 100 Billion ISK, how many State Issue Ravens will we see? It was a real stupid idea to take away the Unique Ships... |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
149
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Posted - 2015.06.05 10:52:57 -
[84] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:If the special ships never undock, does it matter? The hull's still rare.
They do undock. |
Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas DARKNESS.
81
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Posted - 2015.06.05 11:21:23 -
[85] - Quote
Entity wrote:I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store.
Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
Well, well, well..
Initially, I have to say that I am very sorry for you mate. I will tell where is the root of this dishonourable action:
GÇ£GREED IS GOODGÇ¥
That it, as I personally say before countless time, the GÇ£greed is goodGÇ¥ mentality DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS OR THE GAME. It only care about the money.
It start with this GÇ£meaninglessGÇ¥ change, the ones that hit only at a few people, but it is spreading and infecting the game faster. The last symptom was the tempted of remove the bypass broken launcher. Now this release of already unique skin is another.
If we, the players, do not fight against that people the game will be sentenced to a slowing die. And do not fool yourself, the greed is good folks are in important position inside the Company (director level and above).
Again, I am very sorry mate. You have my sympathy and I understand your frustration. I hope that CCP do the right thing and do not release this skin. However, I must say, I have very low expectative about they doing the right thing.
The GÇ£greed is goodGÇ¥ force are strong. Unfortunately.
Best post ever!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37813
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Posted - 2015.06.05 11:27:07 -
[86] - Quote
BrundleMeth wrote:Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique. If you activate the SKIN and then use it, the ship is only skinned while you are in it. If you leave the ship, it goes back to a normal Scorpion.
Activating the SKIN would actually make it more rare in terms of availability for sale, since you can never deactivate it again, so that would effectively be the same as destroying it as far as the rest of the player base is concerned.
The uniqueness doesn't change by activating the SKIN token.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
211
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:19:38 -
[87] - Quote
All those tears... Just wow ccp gonna release new skins soon... |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:20:33 -
[88] - Quote
BrundleMeth wrote:Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.
I have seen the skin for sale for 25 Billion ISK, so I don't imagine many being sold. But the whole idea is crap. If eventually, I can buy a Raven State Issue Skin for say 100 Billion ISK, how many State Issue Ravens will we see? It was a real stupid idea to take away the Unique Ships...
The skins themselves are still "unique", in that they can only ever be applied by the person who activates the skin on their account. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
478
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:30:30 -
[89] - Quote
This is CCP we are talking about, the skins are just a way to keep the Art department busy. Its probably a mistake for this design. Entity should file a bug petition or a mentally stuck petition
"Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
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Domania
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
66
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Posted - 2015.06.05 14:27:36 -
[90] - Quote
BrundleMeth wrote:Well something is not right here. I HAD a Scorpion Ishukone Edition ship. The ship DISAPPEARED from my Hanger and was replaced by a Skin. I can apply that skin to any and every Scorpion I own. That sucks big time. Now it is no longer unique.
I have seen the skin for sale for 25 Billion ISK, so I don't imagine many being sold. But the whole idea is crap. If eventually, I can buy a Raven State Issue Skin for say 100 Billion ISK, how many State Issue Ravens will we see? It was a real stupid idea to take away the Unique Ships...
Depends on how you look at it. The amount of skins are dependent on the amount of hulls that were in game. Therefore your skin is still a rare and unique item. You should be happy too, the hull was no different than normal Scorpions, but now when people buy that skin and consume it, there is one less skin available on market. $$$$$
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Tykonderoga
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
48
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:24:35 -
[91] - Quote
Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:I have been told entity is the richest guy in eve online with two digit multiples of trillions. ccp, plz, if you make a change on behalf of a single multiple trillion heavy individuum who sheds some tears about some pixels, then I start writing my personal list of changes you should make on my behalf. thank you
Just fyi Entity worked as a dev for CCP and the basis of his wealth is built upon insider knowledge he had of changes in the game before he left the company. Thus, his wealth is ill-gotten. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:51:31 -
[92] - Quote
Tykonderoga wrote:Just fyi Entity worked as a dev for CCP and the basis of his wealth is built upon insider knowledge he had of changes in the game before he left the company. Thus, his wealth is ill-gotten.
[citation needed] |
Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
34
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Posted - 2015.06.05 16:10:08 -
[93] - Quote
The whole SKIN thing is bullshit anyway. They were working on the tech to allow us to customize the ships but this was a way that they could monetize it. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:39:03 -
[94] - Quote
Jax Kazen wrote:The whole SKIN thing is bullshit anyway. They were working on the tech to allow us to customize the ships but this was a way that they could monetize it.
If you thought at any point they were going to allow us to customize our ships for free you are delusional. |
Ilaister
Isogen 5
200
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:54:10 -
[95] - Quote
Entity wrote:"..We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins"
Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot.
I see your ouinouin and raise you an IMG link of my own!
Some sage advice for CCP while we're all here - http://www.parents.com/toddlers-preschoolers/development/behavioral/stop-childs-whining/
I would hope the devs we all love so much care more about the hundreds of people who can't wait for this new skin to come out and will have hours of fun with it. You know, actually undocking, pewpewing with them, showing them off to their friends. Maybe you'd be happier if you joined us all on the joyous day we can all use that sexy as f**k ship.
Seriously though, everyone in the game knows who you are and should be impressed by your collection. Isn't that enough? |
Terminus Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate United Interests
5
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Posted - 2015.06.05 19:02:50 -
[96] - Quote
So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2015.06.05 19:24:10 -
[97] - Quote
Terminus Antollare wrote:So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.
It constantly boggles my mind the entitlement of some people. In saying that I am not averse to things being available in packs for cheap :D |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1860
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Posted - 2015.06.05 19:26:23 -
[98] - Quote
Terminus Antollare wrote:So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.
GRRRRRRR Capitalism. |
Guillame Herschel
Quantum Cats Syndicate
60
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Posted - 2015.06.05 20:16:23 -
[99] - Quote
Entity wrote: Reusing unique ship skins is just cheap and disrespectful.
Claiming an artist's time and effort is cheap is also disrespectful. You own ships no one else owns. Artists worked to update ship skins ONLY YOU will ever see.
Can I see the clause in the special EULA CCP offered you, that guaranteed your unique ships would always be special flowers forever?
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Guillame Herschel
Quantum Cats Syndicate
60
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Posted - 2015.06.05 20:20:43 -
[100] - Quote
By the way, I absolutely LOVE the NOPUX Luxury Yacht we all recently received.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
856
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Posted - 2015.06.05 20:42:36 -
[101] - Quote
Entity wrote:And this is relevant how?
Because with player made ship customization, which is the goal of CCP means that "unique" paint job won't be so unique after someone else can see it and wants to copy it. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
856
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Posted - 2015.06.05 20:46:43 -
[102] - Quote
Ilaister wrote:Entity wrote:"..We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins"
Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I see your ouinouin and raise you an IMG link of my own! Some sage advice for CCP while we're all here - http://www.parents.com/toddlers-preschoolers/development/behavioral/stop-childs-whining/ Seriously though, everyone in the game knows who you are and should be impressed by your collection. Isn't that enough?
But Mumsy said my ships were special. You can't have a ship like mine because mine won't be special any more. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
384
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Posted - 2015.06.05 21:42:15 -
[103] - Quote
Gameplay trumps visuals. Always. Get rid of skins already and focus on making the game better gameplay wise. I wil NEVER spend a single euro on buying skins. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
850
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Posted - 2015.06.05 23:13:44 -
[104] - Quote
Yes, it is okay. Who told you otherwise? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37820
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Posted - 2015.06.05 23:27:16 -
[105] - Quote
I thought his was a non-issue now.
CCP FoxFour replied (but then deleted his post), which can still be seen on eve-search:
http://eve-search.com/thread/428060-1/author/CCP
I could be reading his reply wrong though.
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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2015.06.06 06:24:53 -
[106] - Quote
I feel so sorry for this poor trillionaire. Imagine his suffer. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
471
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Posted - 2015.06.06 13:03:03 -
[107] - Quote
I feels your pain, Entity.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
124
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Posted - 2015.06.06 15:37:52 -
[108] - Quote
Entity wrote:And this is relevant how?
If you read it (which it doesnt sound like you have) you would know, that they plan to do this with almost all existing "special" ships and that some SKIN's will resemble, very closely, the special hulls in game. Its not new, it didnt come out of the blue and CCP has been very open about how the SKIN system will be implemented and what will happen to the special hulls, in the game.
As far as i understand, you will not loose your precious little Stratios. You will just see regular stratios's flying around and looking alot like yours, but not 100% like it. And your special little snowflake, will always have that special little snowflake name, when other people see it in the overview.
Cant really see the harm in letting the rest of us obtain a SKIN, when it doesnt hurt your collection one bit.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
778
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Posted - 2015.06.06 15:57:45 -
[109] - Quote
You know I can take my 2001 Miata, and turn it into a 1955 MG TF.
Is it a 1955 MG TF? No, it is still a Miata, and it looks wicked boss. Are owners of genuine 1955 MG TFs going to get upset that I'm driving a car that LOOKS like theirs? No. So what is your problem? You are getting into a tizzy because someone can get a PAINT JOB that makes their ship LOOK LIKE one of your rare ships. Is it an ER ship? No, it is still a Stratios, PAINTED to look like an ER. Oh the horror, my rare ER ship is no longer rare cause there are other ships out there that can LOOK LIKE IT, but really aren't it. Thank you for the delicious tears tho.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited Resonance.
631
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:48:52 -
[110] - Quote
Falin Whalen wrote:You know I can take my 2001 Miata, and turn it into a 1955 MG TF. Is it a 1955 MG TF? No, it is still a Miata, and it looks wicked boss. Are owners of genuine 1955 MG TFs going to get upset that I'm driving a car that LOOKS like theirs? No. So what is your problem? You are getting into a tizzy because someone can get a PAINT JOB that makes their ship LOOK LIKE one of your rare ships. Is it an ER ship? No, it is still a Stratios, PAINTED to look like an ER. Oh the horror, my rare ER ship is no longer rare cause there are other ships out there that can LOOK LIKE IT, but really aren't it. Thank you for the delicious tears tho.
MG owners would know something is wrong when you arrive at a meet on time and on all cylinders and they would instantly hate you. Just like when Ford Probe GT owners show up to 240sx meets and everybody hates them the moment they realize it's a Probe GT(because it blows past them while they talk about how real wheel drive is best).
Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you?
Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
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Tau Onyeka
Krusual Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2015.06.06 18:30:35 -
[111] - Quote
That's a really lazy decision to reuse an existing skin and if it's a limited edition skin that just makes it a big no-no. Special ships, and their scarcity, are part of EVE history and there's always a story attached to them, re-releasing them (even if only looks wise) is terrible and diminishes both their value as their (hi)story.
Bad CCP! Don't do it. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
478
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Posted - 2015.06.07 12:38:45 -
[112] - Quote
Tykonderoga wrote: Just fyi Entity worked as a dev for CCP and the basis of his wealth is built upon insider knowledge he had of changes in the game before he left the company. Thus, his wealth is ill-gotten.
Hmm if that is true, i know for sure Entity is Dutch. That would make me wonder... which ex-dev or close associate do i know that has ties with CCP and has the dutch nationality.... Let play the game: Who is! First question... Are you a women?
Ilaister wrote: Seriously though, everyone in the game knows who you are and should be impressed by your collection. Isn't that enough?
If he's really what he says he is: Pic's or it isnt true! He lost his credibility when he tried to rip me off in an aggressively attempt to buy some T2 bpo's extremely cheap. I kinda kept him on a leash, gave my friends and me a good laugh
Terminus Antollare wrote:So you mean to tell me a business is *gasp* trying to make money? Those greedy bastards. They should give us everything for free because we are subbed. That being said, we still expect spectacular changes to come out every month perhaps even other Eve related games, all with no increased revenue to the company who will be developing them.
Omg! So you are saying that for over the past 6 years all my sub money when to the actual initial design of EVE? Omg i must have missed something! Where exactly did the value for the customer, according to you, went to? The words: 4 year, negelection and subscription theft, raises in my mind...
"Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
857
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Posted - 2015.06.07 14:00:02 -
[113] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:He lost his credibility when he tried to rip me off in an aggressively attempt to buy some T2 bpo's extremely cheap. I kinda kept him on a leash, gave my friends and me a good laugh
Heh. That's amusing. We never got to the negotiation stage last I checked. Maybe because you weren't even -trying- to negotiate.
But hey, whatever, everyone likes rewriting history I suppose.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
376
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Posted - 2015.06.07 14:06:14 -
[114] - Quote
There is always a risk that a limited edition anything will go back into production and not be limited. There is always a risk of clones. Just look at Genvolution implants or whatever.
Mark my words. Geckos are not always going to be rare either. :D
But i understand the issue. But it is a risk that collectors take. And for that matter, its still collected. Unless your speculating to make iskies, in which case losing isk is par for the course.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Torpedo Tammy
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
7
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Posted - 2015.06.07 20:22:45 -
[115] - Quote
Entity wrote:Counter question: Why does it matter if they undock or not?
Because undocked, your ship is the same stupid little bracket thing as everyone elses.
People don't play EVE zoomed in, get over yourself. |
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
40
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Posted - 2015.06.07 21:47:45 -
[116] - Quote
I can't get angry over this. There is literally zero history behind the Somer give away Emergency Responder variant. In fact, it should be a SKIN. It was an afterthought give away to alleviate player anger. The golden magnate was a different story to older players. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2298
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Posted - 2015.06.07 22:34:37 -
[117] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Gameplay trumps visuals. Always. Get rid of skins already and focus on making the game better gameplay wise. I wil NEVER spend a single euro on buying skins.
You can buy them with PLEX, essentially making other people spend money on your behalf. Isn't it beautiful? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
220
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Posted - 2015.06.07 22:52:21 -
[118] - Quote
Kiandoshia wrote:
You can buy them with PLEX, essentially making other people spend money on your behalf. Isn't it beautiful?
For a minute i was thinking about "A PLEX Ship Skin" available for every single ship in game. That's gonna be hilarious. Price - 30 Days Pilot's Extention License. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:04:15 -
[119] - Quote
Hipqo wrote:Entity wrote:And this is relevant how? If you read it (which it doesnt sound like you have) you would know, that they plan to do this with almost all existing "special" ships and that some SKIN's will resemble, very closely, the special hulls in game. Its not new, it didnt come out of the blue and CCP has been very open about how the SKIN system will be implemented and what will happen to the special hulls, in the game. As far as i understand, you will not loose your precious little Stratios. You will just see regular stratios's flying around and looking alot like yours, but not 100% like it. And your special little snowflake, will always have that special little snowflake name, when other people see it in the overview. Cant really see the harm in letting the rest of us obtain a SKIN, when it doesnt hurt your collection one bit.
Except someone was saying earlier that this is not the case, the Ishukune Scorp (Or whatever the special one was called) has been removed and replaced with an Ishukune Skin. If they allow rare ship owners to keep their ships AND seed new skins into the game I am fine with that. If they REMOVE the rare ships and replace them with SKINS, well thats bullshit frankly. |
Tau Onyeka
Krusual Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2015.06.08 14:26:22 -
[120] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:Except someone was saying earlier that this is not the case, the Ishukune Scorp (Or whatever the special one was called) has been removed and replaced with an Ishukune Skin. If they allow rare ship owners to keep their ships AND seed new skins into the game I am fine with that. If they REMOVE the rare ships and replace them with SKINS, well thats bullshit frankly.
That Scorp was meant as a first dip into the whole skin/get rich from vanity stuff idea and as such it's different from other special/rare ships. Still, changing that into a skin is already a big problem as you can't board/fly it anymore without linking it to that character.
Also, there's a whole lot of obvious non-haves (not that I have one) showcasing their jealousy in this thread.
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Solairen
Matsuko Holding
256
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Posted - 2015.06.09 23:09:09 -
[121] - Quote
Well I don't know if it was all the whining or not, but they didn't add the Stratios SKIN today like they said they would. They only added the Astero.
Kind of annoying since I was looking forward to it, and seems silly it wasn't added because it looked like someone else ship even though that special ship had different & better stats.
I guess squeaky wheel gets the grease. (Unless it has to do w/ Sentries and Ishtars, then it gets ignored). |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
857
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Posted - 2015.06.09 23:56:03 -
[122] - Quote
Solairen wrote:Well I don't know if it was all the whining or not, but they didn't add the Stratios SKIN today like they said they would. They only added the Astero.
Kind of annoying since I was looking forward to it, and seems silly it wasn't added because it looked like someone else ship even though that special ship had different & better stats.
I guess squeaky wheel gets the grease. (Unless it has to do w/ Sentries and Ishtars, then it gets ignored).
They are not releasing them all at once.
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Greezy Bartholomew Esq
Crow Vanguard
0
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:05:19 -
[123] - Quote
Did CCP specifically state the SER was limited edition when it was released? If so, it's pretty scummy to go back on their word. I remember when Riot started re-releasing limited edition skins in League and people (rightfully so) flipped out.
If they never said they were going to be limited edition you don't really have much of a complaint. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1661
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:07:49 -
[124] - Quote
There is something about this thread ... can't quite put my finger on it.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Solairen
Matsuko Holding
256
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:10:16 -
[125] - Quote
Greezy Bartholomew Esq wrote:Did CCP specifically state the SER was limited edition when it was released? If so, it's pretty scummy to go back on their word. I remember when Riot started re-releasing limited edition skins in League and people (rightfully so) flipped out.
If they never said they were going to be limited edition you don't really have much of a complaint.
The hull was limited edtion (Only seeded to TQ) - and still is, it has better stats and different stats. All CCP was adding was the color scheme.
It's the equivalent of adding "Navy" SKINs. Doesn't make it a NAVY Brutix in stats, only makes it have the paint job.
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Solairen
Matsuko Holding
256
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:14:01 -
[126] - Quote
Entity wrote:Solairen wrote:Well I don't know if it was all the whining or not, but they didn't add the Stratios SKIN today like they said they would. They only added the Astero.
Kind of annoying since I was looking forward to it, and seems silly it wasn't added because it looked like someone else ship even though that special ship had different & better stats.
I guess squeaky wheel gets the grease. (Unless it has to do w/ Sentries and Ishtars, then it gets ignored). They are not releasing them all at once.
(True - they only said they'd start releasing them today) (But...)
Shhhhhhhhhhh this is a whine thread about paint jobs shared between ships that have different stats. And I'm trying to participate by whining. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
221
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:21:42 -
[127] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
And those guy behind still looking at blondie ... |
Greezy Bartholomew Esq
Crow Vanguard
0
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Posted - 2015.06.10 01:34:08 -
[128] - Quote
Solairen wrote:Greezy Bartholomew Esq wrote:Did CCP specifically state the SER was limited edition when it was released? If so, it's pretty scummy to go back on their word. I remember when Riot started re-releasing limited edition skins in League and people (rightfully so) flipped out.
If they never said they were going to be limited edition you don't really have much of a complaint. The hull was limited edtion (Only seeded to TQ) - and still is, it has better stats and different stats. All CCP was adding was the color scheme. It's the equivalent of adding "Navy" SKINs. Doesn't make it a NAVY Brutix in stats, only makes it have the paint job.
IMHO the paint job is part of the hull so I'm leaning towards my original thought on this. It's a scummy thing for CCP to do.
Why not just make the new skin a different color so the SER remains unique? |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1523
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Posted - 2015.06.10 01:43:31 -
[129] - Quote
Entity rustling all these jelly poors lmao. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1524
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Posted - 2015.06.10 02:06:27 -
[130] - Quote
Apropos of nothing, I like how this skin thing has been a complete **** up from the start, from the scrapped blueprint model, the release bug that was more popular than the feature, the greed is good pricing, and now recycling of unique skins because every child must have a trophy, I guess...
...and we're still not anywhere in sight of the actual and only feature[ people asked for and wanted, promoted by CCP Seagull on stage at fanfest 2013/4 (?), of custom skin creation of corp/alliance skins. |
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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2015.06.10 09:27:39 -
[131] - Quote
Princess Entity tears still flowing? |
Wendrika Hydreiga
378
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Posted - 2015.06.10 10:59:48 -
[132] - Quote
I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it. |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
166
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Posted - 2015.06.10 12:35:12 -
[133] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Apropos of nothing, I like how this skin thing continues to lurch from one controversy to another without any sign of abating, and needlessly manages to **** off a new group of players each and every time. From the scrapped blueprint model, the release bug that was more popular than the feature, the greed is good pricing, and now recycling of "unique" skins because every child must have a trophy, I guess...
...and we're still not anywhere in sight of the actual and only skinning feature people asked for and wanted, promoted by CCP Seagull on stage at fanfest 2013/4 (?); custom creation of alliance theme skins/livery. Like, a universally popular thing that should have been impossible to screw up and angered no one. Who was asking for, or anticipating, unique skins to be applied to all ships 2 years ago? Literally no one. If some mission bear came here then, demanding CCP give them the Imperial Apoc skin on their Level4 ship, they would have been (rightly!) trolled out in a New York minute.
Who is behind all of this? Money's on the EA guy hired in 2013.
I do believe this qualifies as a wrecking shot. Someone at CCP just got alpha'd off the grid.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1346
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Posted - 2015.06.10 12:53:44 -
[134] - Quote
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it.
I'm sure you can back that up with some facts etc, right?
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Fatoria Hemah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.06.10 17:22:36 -
[135] - Quote
Putting in Skins for ships to look-alike unique onse is such a horrible thing. It's like we go to the olympic games and got told 'Well we decided the 2nd and 3rd best athlets can get a Gold painting on their medals it they want. Don't worry, it's still silver and bronze on the inside' - all would go wtf and for good reason Same here, there have been unique ships handed out on special events like winners of Alliance tournaments. If it's too hard to update those skins with better graphics if there aren't that many just let them keep old skins, makes them just look more special ;) |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1884
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Posted - 2015.06.10 18:07:24 -
[136] - Quote
Fatoria Hemah wrote:Putting in Skins for ships to look-alike unique onse is such a horrible thing. It's like we go to the olympic games and got told 'Well we decided the 2nd and 3rd best athlets can get a Gold painting on their medals it they want. Don't worry, it's still silver and bronze on the inside' - all would go wtf and for good reason Same here, there have been unique ships handed out on special events like winners of Alliance tournaments. If it's too hard to update those skins with better graphics if there aren't that many just let them keep old skins, makes them just look more special ;)
Who's gonna stop anyone from painting his Olympic medal a different colour? Who's gonna get his jimmies rustled because said medal got painted over?
You do realise if you put the effort into it you could CAST a medal just like the Olympic ones right?
Hell 3d print one and paint it gold. I'm sure people will cry about it... |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
484
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Posted - 2015.06.10 18:17:46 -
[137] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it. I'm sure you can back that up with some facts etc, right?
The 45 Trillion ISK repossessions by CCP happened just for luls in August of 2014-YC116?
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
223
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Posted - 2015.06.10 21:00:26 -
[138] - Quote
The majority of Eve players don't even know that there is some other Stratios other than standard one been released. But even if they would know it pretty much sure they don't care. It is an issue for a very limited number of people, and i think it's better for them to resolve it internally with CCP withput public attention.
Still wsiting for the Big L comment here. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Create Alliance
596
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Posted - 2015.06.10 21:23:44 -
[139] - Quote
GankYou wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it. I'm sure you can back that up with some facts etc, right? The 45 Trillion ISK repossessions by CCP happened just for luls in August of 2014-YC116?
That was for ALL RMTers that got caught. I doubt anything belonging to Somer was repossessed because they gave Blink time to pay out withdrawals.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
489
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:23:54 -
[140] - Quote
Somer never got caught for RMTing.. he was banned for posting an exchange between himself and a member of CCP.
Also, CCP never said it was exclusive or wouldn't be released again. Just that it was first released there. |
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1346
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:27:22 -
[141] - Quote
GankYou wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it. I'm sure you can back that up with some facts etc, right? The 45 Trillion ISK repossessions by CCP happened just for luls in August of 2014-YC116?
Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity. |
Solairen
Matsuko Holding
257
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:45:58 -
[142] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:GankYou wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I don't know what is worse. If the fact an incredibly ellusive special edition ship was given out only to a RMT 3rd party or that one of the owners of that ship is complaining that people will be able to fly ships that "look" like it. I'm sure you can back that up with some facts etc, right? The 45 Trillion ISK repossessions by CCP happened just for luls in August of 2014-YC116? Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
Nah he was referring to Somer. Basically there was a special Somer auction for 4 SER hulls (5 but one winner took a diff prize).
So only 4 people got these hulls, they have different/better stats. Most players don't know they exist.
Somer was shut down later last year, with Forums speculation ranging from RMT to disclosure of Comms, to rigging. I honestly don't know if it was ever actually mentioned. I have no idea myself no do i care to speculate.
So in summary: 1 person is upset that a skin is being released to match a ship he owns in appearance only, and his ship has better stats, questionably never undocks anyway since he is a collector, doesn't actually affect his collection since hull is still different, that few players know exist, and was awarded from a questionable gambling site, with no promise of exclusivity or limited nature (just that at that time they would only seed winners). |
TERRIBLESPACEWARRIOR
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.11 00:13:07 -
[143] - Quote
You sound like the crying 1% demanding that your shiny precious remain only yours. Guess what, I'm pretty sure the actual masses may have a bit more say than one crying rich man having a fit over his lost imaginary space wealth. |
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
783
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Posted - 2015.06.11 01:09:53 -
[144] - Quote
Anybody saying that the looks of the Stratios emergency arent what makes the Ship is delusional. Re releasing these ships as skins is going to hit their value by quite a bit. But if were going down this road why not release gold and silver Magnate skins as looks dont matter at all and maybe Moracha/Chremoas skins aswell, I really like the look of these two.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1669
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Posted - 2015.06.11 01:19:48 -
[145] - Quote
Baali Tekitsu wrote:Anybody saying that the looks of the Stratios emergency arent what makes the Ship is delusional. Re releasing these ships as skins is going to hit their value by quite a bit. But if were going down this road why not release gold and silver Magnate skins as looks dont matter at all and maybe Moracha/Chremoas skins aswell, I really like the look of these two. I need a blood red Cyclone and to name it, "Time of the month"
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
42
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Posted - 2015.06.11 05:16:18 -
[146] - Quote
Baali Tekitsu wrote:Anybody saying that the looks of the Stratios emergency arent what makes the Ship is delusional. Re releasing these ships as skins is going to hit their value by quite a bit. But if were going down this road why not release gold and silver Magnate skins as looks dont matter at all and maybe Moracha/Chremoas skins aswell, I really like the look of these two.
If I sell a cheap Picasso print for 50 dollars that does not mean the original Picasso will go down in value by 50 million dollars. To say that there isn't going to be a buyer for asking price tomorrow if the variant hull is actually put on market is naive or disingenuous. There is probably a very small pool of players who can afford the asking price to begin - and those folks would jump at a chance to own a ship with 3 or 4 hulls in existence. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
383
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:23:52 -
[147] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons.
But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
858
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Posted - 2015.06.11 12:10:34 -
[148] - Quote
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool.
It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.
There's 2 problems with this: - Clearly everyone who is saying looks aren't important are forgetting that they're apparently important enough for CCP to charge you for them. - If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content. What's next? A ship with the same stats as a unique? "Oh but it has a different name so it's ok, your ship is still special". Yeah whatever
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Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
43
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Posted - 2015.06.11 14:23:39 -
[149] - Quote
Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less. There's 2 problems with this: - Clearly everyone who is saying looks aren't important are forgetting that they're apparently important enough for CCP to charge you for them. - If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content. What's next? A ship with the same stats as a unique? "Oh but it has a different name so it's ok, your ship is still special". Yeah whatever
Your ship is still unique. No matter how hard I try, I will always only be able to launch 4 Sentries. If you care to undock your ship, you will be able to launch 5. Ship remains unique. |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:14:28 -
[150] - Quote
Stratiosgate - Entity freaks out |
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
858
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:27:45 -
[151] - Quote
Damn, I was hoping my mom wouldn't post that video.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
596
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:40:15 -
[152] - Quote
Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run.
Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder. Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on. Yours can launch 5 sentries. Mine can launch 4 sentries.
Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake.
" And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit -
I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! "
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1629
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Posted - 2015.06.11 15:46:45 -
[153] - Quote
Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less.
So, SKINs are currently taken from corporations belonging to a faction. The basic hulls already fly the colors of the Sisters of EVE. You want to say that CCP are being "lazy" for offering the colors of The Sanctuary, the only other corporation that is (openly) affiliated with the faction.
What else should they do? Conjure up another SoE corp just to please you? Blow the cover of one of their seekrit corps just to please you? Pull the SKIN just to please you?
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1528
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Posted - 2015.06.11 17:51:36 -
[154] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less. So, SKINs are currently taken from corporations belonging to a faction. The basic hulls already fly the colors of the Sisters of EVE. You want to say that CCP are being "lazy" for offering the colors of The Sanctuary, the only other corporation that is (openly) affiliated with the faction. What else should they do? Conjure up another SoE corp just to please you? Blow the cover of one of their seekrit corps just to please you? Pull the SKIN just to please you?
Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all. |
Arec Bardwin
1845
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:36:14 -
[155] - Quote
I totally feel your pain Entity. Oh wait, that's just my hemorrhoids acting up!
On a serious note; this is why I never buy expensive collectibles ingame. CCP may ruin the value of them on a whim. |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1630
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:36:19 -
[156] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all.
OK, so you're in the "make up a new corp just to please a few people" camp. You just gloss over the part where it's not just the available colors that define the livery. The US flag is not the French flag.
Noted.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Khanid Voltar
Third Way Retirement Corp
43
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:45:07 -
[157] - Quote
Entity wrote: It's not good for the game in the long run.
You mean its not good for the value of your collection.
Which I would agree with, if it were not for the fact that a number of your items were gifted to you (for free) by other players.
Like someone else said it is just a skin. It isn't as if skins come with extra ship bonuses.
Deal with it
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1502
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Posted - 2015.06.11 18:59:46 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:I totally feel your pain Entity. Oh wait, that's just my hemorrhoids acting up!
On a serious note; this is why I never buy expensive collectibles ingame. CCP may ruin the value of them on a whim. I'd be more worried about their value being reduced if we saw another 125mbit band/500m^3 Drone Bay stratios variant rather than just a paint job. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1528
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Posted - 2015.06.11 19:33:02 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Hey how about starting with inverting the colours, wow that took 10 seconds of my time to think up, maybe professional designers who get paid all day to think of these things could do better, rather that what they did do; nothing at all. OK, so you're in the "make up a new corp just to please a few people" camp. You just gloss over the part where it's not just the available colors that define the livery. The US flag is not the French flag.
Well it was good enough for Ralph Lauren.
Oh no, please, no unnecessary filing work on my account. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1502
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Posted - 2015.06.11 19:49:04 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder. Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on. Yours can launch 5 sentries. Mine can launch 4 sentries.
Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake. Sure. This is about the stats. Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages. So the fact that the ship remains distinct in a far more meaningful way than its skin is somehow irrelevant to the uniqueness of the ship and its value?
Do you honestly think the paint job alone constituted the bulk of the draw here without the stats, name or scarcity on top of having to chose between use and transferability/collection of the item? |
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1528
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Posted - 2015.06.11 20:40:08 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:Yours is a Stratios Emergency Responder. Mine is a Stratios with a coat of paint on. Yours can launch 5 sentries. Mine can launch 4 sentries.
Result: Yours is still an unique snowflake. Sure. This is about the stats. Any other trite, irrelevant points people would like to make? Perhaps "CCP IS IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY", we haven't heard that one in literally pages. So the fact that the ship remains distinct in a far more meaningful way than its skin is somehow irrelevant to the uniqueness of the ship and its value? Do you honestly think the paint job alone constituted the bulk of the draw here without the stats, name or scarcity on top of having to chose between use and transferability/collection of the item?
Paint jobs constituting a draw is the entire basis of the skins feature. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, he has a right to complain. You can't have it both ways. Well you can if you're one of those "he's rich, who cares" types, I guess... |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1504
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Posted - 2015.06.11 21:29:22 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Paint jobs constituting a draw is the entire basis of the skins feature. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, he has a right to complain. You can't have it both ways. Well you can if you're one of those "he's rich, stick it to him" types, I guess... Seems like some flawed logic here. The skin system was designed to create a draw to those same paint jobs, not particular hulls. The feature was not designed for the sake of unique hulls as there is no need or benefit from it under those circumstances.
The clain of trying to "have it both ways" doesn't apply since the single rare item is becoming no less rare and only marginally less distinct and even then only for those that give up the ability to trade the skin. There is room to complain but, until skins change the ships they are on to other ships, It's not much.
If this were the case where the ship was defined purely by the skin that would be a different situation as the whole of the distinction were being given away. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8781
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:00:55 -
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I am late to the party, and because I am so flabbergasted, I need to confirm with you first that Entity is actually crying over pixels in a internet spaceship game?
Fret not however as I have a genuine article with me as a consolation gift.
Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.
Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31852
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:04:59 -
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Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run. Dude their logic for these things is ass backwards. The assortment of digital prizes for the Fanfest cosplay thing was all over the board. A mix of nice and not-great things to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place... by my math, 2nd place got boned. I can't decide if it's a matter of not playing the game enough to know where items come from, a lack of regard for where they do, or a complete lack of taste.
In general, though, I disagree with limited availability outside of AT. Limit the availability window, but not the quantity. Quafe skins for whoever purchases a Twitch HD stream, yes. Something so mainstream as the SOE gunner jacket for just one person at Fanfest for cosplaying, no.
It's "exclusive" by definition... people will be excluded. But in EVE it causes resentment and anxiety for not much profit benefit. Players should not have reason to direct their ire at the company, but EVE is special.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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kyoukoku
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
38
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:42:21 -
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Fatoria Hemah wrote:Putting in Skins for ships to look-alike unique onse is such a horrible thing. It's like we go to the olympic games and got told 'Well we decided the 2nd and 3rd best athlets can get a Gold painting on their medals it they want. Don't worry, it's still silver and bronze on the inside' - all would go wtf and for good reason Same here, there have been unique ships handed out on special events like winners of Alliance tournaments. If it's too hard to update those skins with better graphics if there aren't that many just let them keep old skins, makes them just look more special ;)
Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but the Olympic Gold Medal has barely any gold in it's composition. It is just a plated skin:
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medal#Production_and_design wrote:The IOC dictates the physical properties of the medals and has the final decision about the finished design. Specifications for the medals are developed along with the National Olympic Committee (NOC) hosting the Games, though the IOC has brought in some set rules:
Recipients: The top three competitors receive medals Shape: Usually circular, featuring an attachment for a chain or ribbon Diameter: A minimum of 60 mm Thickness: A minimum of 3 mm Material: First place: It is composed of silver of at least .925 grade, plated with 6 grams of gold. Second place: .925 silver.[10] Third place: It is mostly copper with some tin and zinc (worth approximately $3).[11] Event details: The sport for which the medal has been awarded should be written on the medal
So ultimately it is the stats which make the item unique not the skin.
There's also the old saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover". |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1352
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Posted - 2015.06.14 17:42:44 -
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Your logic is so hilariously stupid people are at a loss for words. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:33:28 -
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Entity wrote:- If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content.
An idea from Entity I can get behind. CCP shouldn't waste resources making ships that entitled babbies will never undock. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
360
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:33:46 -
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Sup with T2 ships now sharing skins with t1 ships?
They made excuse a while ago that we couldn't use the same skin license for both ships cuz quote "then people could get them confused and not be able to tell them apat"
Now lots of t2/t1 ships with same hull model share same separate skin for sale license.
Y not combination one? Combo Value meal! |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
39225
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:03:57 -
[169] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Sup with T2 ships now sharing skins with t1 ships?
They made excuse a while ago that we couldn't use the same skin license for both ships cuz quote "then people could get them confused and not be able to tell them apat"
Now lots of t2/t1 ships with same hull model share same separate skin for sale license.
Y not combination one? Combo Value meal! One of the CCP staff explained that on Reddit (can't remember who).
That was a policy CCP had in place for a long time, but apparently following the community response to closing off the bug and comments about SKINs for T2 ships, there was internal discussion and they changed their approach.
My personal opinion, is that is a bit of a cop out, but I also think CCP have handled the whole SKIN thing poorly.
So, it is what it is now. No more restrictions based on visual gameplay issues.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3136
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:42:14 -
[170] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Entity wrote:Really?So you hand out unique ships as event reward and then just go "lol we'll reuse this skin because only a handful of people have it anyway. We don't care about upsetting customers that obtained those ships, we just care about getting a few more bucks from skins" Thanks, CCP. Thanks a lot. I guess I can look forward to seeing the skins of all the unique ships I have in the NEX store. Seriously though, the visual identity of these ships is part of what makes them unique. I think it's a bad call to reuse those skins. It's not good for the game in the long run. We have a saying here for spoiled kids: "Close your eyes and you-¦ll see what belongs to you"
The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids.There are those who achieve wealth by themselves and there are those who stay scrubs .Be it with scamming , taking Alliance money , or just being a verry good trader at the end of the day unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash you made this possible yourself and not by being ''spoiled by daddy''.
I can understand why entity is a bit ''upset'' about this , but on the other side entity you should know better by now then to expect CCP to not do something like this.After all this isn't the first time if i recall right that you come to GD to '' reclaim the right for rarity''.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Neckbeardian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:37:24 -
[171] - Quote
OP, The skin might not be as unique as it used to be but the stats show otherwise. A skin doesn't make or break a ship. Just additional eyecandy everyone in the game can enjoy now. OK with it's limits but I guess it's going somewhere? At least now you can freely play spacedoll online a lot more cheaper compared to before ... Jeez ...
Anyway, for sure CCP was going to reskin or provide another skin for it anyway. Now that you alerted them ... Well ... Incoming hotfix for the guys who can? oO |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
441
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:57:22 -
[172] - Quote
flakeys wrote:
The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
.
So, there are spoiled kids.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
863
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:03:14 -
[173] - Quote
flakeys wrote:I can understand why entity is a bit ''upset'' about this , but on the other side entity you should know better by now then to expect CCP to not do something like this.After all this isn't the first time if i recall right that you come to GD to '' reclaim the right for rarity''.
I've (succesfully) defended items (including ones I do not own) from a similar fate before.
Also, it's not about being spoiled or anything. I'd be a bad collector if I did not try and defend that which I've done for the past 12 years.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
963
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:42:39 -
[174] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:flakeys wrote:The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
. So, there are spoiled kids. Does that make them spoiled kids if they "made" that cash themselves IRL?
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Rawthorm
D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two
55
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:53:02 -
[175] - Quote
Entity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Oh doh, I thought he meant Entity.
I have the upmost respect for Entitty and his incredible ship collection. And my knowledge of what happened with Somer is almost nonexistant, apart from the fact they were given SER Stratios. Because of reasons. But Entity's 1% attitude regarding SKINS is just not cool. It has little to do with 1% and everything to do with the fact it's cheap and lazy to copy an existing skin, of a unique ship no less. There's 2 problems with this: - Clearly everyone who is saying looks aren't important are forgetting that they're apparently important enough for CCP to charge you for them. - If CCP isn't committed to maintaining the integrity of unique content, then they shouldn't release unique content. What's next? A ship with the same stats as a unique? "Oh but it has a different name so it's ok, your ship is still special". Yeah whatever
Speaking of CCP laziness, I also think it's about time that CCP stopped neglecting unique ships when balancing passes are done. It's disheartening to see some beasts released as unique ships, only to find them severely underpowered as the game progresses simply because they got left out of the stats changes that applied to the ships they were originally based on. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8875
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:01:29 -
[176] - Quote
I'm with Entity on this one. Keep up the good fight.
Although I personally threw in the towel a while back and sold off all my unique ships and fashion before they completely lost their value and uniqueness.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Wacktopia
Noir. No Not Believing
803
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:17:04 -
[177] - Quote
Throwing in my support for Entity here.
Unique sips (including their skin) are an important trophy to many players and hold great value both in ISK and in bragging rights.
Taking that away for a cheap buck devalues those items and the purpose of having unique items in general.
Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com
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Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
153
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:05:53 -
[178] - Quote
I see Entity's point and I agree with the sentiment that CCP is just finding a way to make some easy money (perhaps to offset the loss of subs?) but regardless, if both ships undocked it would instantly be clear which is the real thing and which is just a tacky paint job.
And for the record I wouldn't buy a ship skin either, if it ain't the real thing I'm not interested. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3141
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:11:46 -
[179] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:flakeys wrote:
The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
.
So, there are spoiled kids.
Every rule has an exception dude , common knowledge
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3141
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:12:43 -
[180] - Quote
Barrogh Habalu wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:flakeys wrote:The thing is , in this game there are no spoiled kids....unless you just buy ingame wealth with rl cash .
. So, there are spoiled kids. Does that make them spoiled kids if they "made" that cash themselves IRL?
Nope ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3141
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:14:28 -
[181] - Quote
Entity wrote:flakeys wrote:I can understand why entity is a bit ''upset'' about this , but on the other side entity you should know better by now then to expect CCP to not do something like this.After all this isn't the first time if i recall right that you come to GD to '' reclaim the right for rarity''. I've (succesfully) defended items (including ones I do not own) from a similar fate before.
I know mate , but it happened before so it is expected to happen again.You might be defending those items but your OP makes it sound/look like you where surprised it happened.I just pointed out that you should not be surprised as it is just a repeat from past actions by CCP.
And it will definatly happen again...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
938
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:17:26 -
[182] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:Taking that away for a cheap buck devalues those items and the purpose of having unique items in general. The whole SKIN feature is a cheap buck.
#deleteSKINs
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Velarra
429
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:41:32 -
[183] - Quote
You ever stop to wonder how just long and far the threadnaught would go on for if the EA sourced dev/exec was given the reigns of Eve?
And how many subscriptions would be cancelled overnight?! |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
793
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:17:46 -
[184] - Quote
A chestnut. I have heard you tell the tale these 27 times.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
977
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:58:06 -
[185] - Quote
I bought the skin I. Question just to **** off the op.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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