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Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:35:20 -
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Gentleman,
sorry for my english. for me is difficult telling of game in english, writing in medical and gaming issue is even worst.
the problem is that: with new icons is almost impossible for daltonic ( color blind ) to do pvp.
i dont blame the new icons, and modernization and all. The main problem is the new icon have the color backgrund too much transparent in space and dont allow to daltonic (color blind) to see istantly who is red, who is blue and what happening in space.
i have around 7000 kills, i know how overview and pvp works. The overview setting is not a problem, is unchanged.
what is changed is the shape of the icons in space. It is not a problem, your choice.
the problem i need to be more clear and more visible the backgrund color of icon in space.
if i chose red, in example, i need a non transparent, defined red color not a transparent one. because it come invisible.
now i see, and some other daltonic in corp see, the icon in space we see the blu too much dark and fade to black and the red is too much dark and fade to black so i dont see the difference between red and blue.
i need help on that, i need more clear colour or personalization or is impossilble to play.
i found this site, i dont know if it works (of course) but i forward a link: http://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/
i have 4 daltonic in 120 man corp. it's a problem now. please help.
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Verlyn
Brink's Bar Adirainia
34
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:57:56 -
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I hate to have to bring it up to you,
Dont think CCP cares, nor will care.
Nor the rest of the community, save for the ones affected of course.
Welcome to the real face of Eve. |
Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.06.05 13:07:27 -
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World of tanks \ wargaming have the color blind mode or at least the choice to switch.
i have played this game since 2011 and ceo of a big community (2 meeting in last few months only) and i think not allowing me to play for medical reason (according to wiki the 4% of poulation suffer this chromatic problem) i think is really unacceptable. i did 2 year subscription for a game that allow play to daltonic since 3 day ago ....
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Verlyn
Brink's Bar Adirainia
34
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Posted - 2015.06.05 13:12:17 -
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Well hey I was just trying to wind you up, because I actually also hate the changes they made to icons.
They weren't needed.
But I think, the angrier you get, they'll listen, just make sure your community's behind you and those of your fellow daltonians throughout the game.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
401
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Posted - 2015.06.05 13:26:12 -
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Sbrodor wrote:Gentleman, sorry for my english. for me is difficult telling of game in english, writing in medical and gaming issue is even worst. the problem is that: with new icons is almost impossible for daltonic ( color blind ) to do pvp. i dont blame the new icons, and modernization and all. The main problem is the new icon have the color backgrund too much transparent in space and dont allow to daltonic (color blind) to see istantly who is red, who is blue and what happening in space. i have around 7000 kills, i know how overview and pvp works. The overview setting is not a problem, is unchanged. what is changed is the shape of the icons in space. It is not a problem, your choice. the problem i need to be more clear and more visible the backgrund color of icon in space. if i chose red, in example, i need a non transparent, defined red color not a transparent one. because it come invisible. now i see, and some other daltonic in corp see, the icon in space we see the blu too much dark and fade to black and the red is too much dark and fade to black so i dont see the difference between red and blue. i need help on that, i need more clear colour or personalization or is impossilble to play. i found this site, i dont know if it works (of course) but i forward a link: http://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/ i have 4 daltonic in 120 man corp. it's a problem now. please help.
Its not just the color blind who are having problems. The new icons just plan stink. They are too small and blend into the background, making them difficult to see or distinguish. Worse there are too many needless icons. When you engage in pvp, instead of imparting information, its a meaningless jumble - that's assuming of course that you can actually see any of it as all because more likely then not a significant portion of the icons will have faded into the white background of some star or other.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Anthar Thebess
1063
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Posted - 2015.06.05 13:28:04 -
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Support !
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37813
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Posted - 2015.06.05 13:35:37 -
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I definitely support this. Not color blind myself, but I can appreciate how frustrating this change must be for you.
Hope CCP does something to make it easier.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1633
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Posted - 2015.06.05 14:53:02 -
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The horrible Neocom changes were defended as being made for colour blind people. Thus, I like to believe they will stick to that with this problem and fix it.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1676
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:17:13 -
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Closing this thread with a direction to the mega thread where CCP is absent for hundreds of posts, as in "GET USED TO IT!" is going to be tough.
On topic, I cannot believe, I'm totally floored and disgusted that they didn't check how this icon disaster would affect those with color blindness.
Really, wtf CCP? |
MiSANTHR0PE
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:20:27 -
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Color blind setting seems like rather a standard feature in a lot of multiplayer games, there was lots of requests for a color blind mode on CCP's Dust 514 but I don't remember if they ever put it in or not.
Either way I hope they can fix it for you guys, It must be rather frustrating |
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Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:40:16 -
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+1 support
CCP should do something to help |
Aivlis Eldelbar
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
94
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:48:42 -
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Supported. |
Cherri Minoa
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
61
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:55:54 -
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I thought it was pretty much standard practice to take account of accessibility issues when designing web interfaces these days. Most of us have been incorporating it into web design for years. CCP have really dropped a big one here if it wasn't part of the design process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility
"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21731
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Posted - 2015.06.05 16:36:37 -
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While I have nothing against color blindness, and do wish that there were more options available within reason for those who have it, this is an icon thread, and therefore I am bound by solemn GD Militia oath to give you Platypus content because of it. Please enjoy The Platypus Song, by Steve Axtell. May its addicting nature help you all in your endeavors today.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Quintus Allard-Liao
Lone Wolf Union Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.05 16:48:03 -
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I support that. Why limit people with disability like this? Seems like an easy fix/potential PR headache for CCP if folks start loudly complaining on Reddit or elsewhere. |
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
88
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Posted - 2015.06.05 16:56:09 -
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Quintus: there have been many complaints, but it always gets moved to "new features and idea's", and then just ignored. The perfect option would be to just allow us to choose our own colors to something we can easily see, but the game is actually moving away from that (I have trouble seeing lots of things now with the predefined UI colors where before i spent a couple of hours getting the colors right so i could actually see hostile/allies/fleet members easily). |
Jade Umid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:08:16 -
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+1 support |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
37
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:23:13 -
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Posting in a thread before it gets moved,locked, or ignored by CCP....oops, too late.
P.S., I support your cause,however. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
977
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:45:34 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:I definitely support this. Not color blind myself, but I can appreciate how frustrating this change must be for you.
Hope CCP does something to make it easier. This.
Also +1 to OP.
Remove insurance.
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Ajunta Pal
Sith Wannabies Annonymous
25
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:52:22 -
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instead of using icon color to identify friend or foe you could use the background color, on the overview ofcoarse - doesn't work so well if you aren't using the overview. Personally while I'm not color blind, I do have a problem where the color white "glows" and is blurs into everything else, reading black text on a white background is nearly impossible, while reading white text on black background is just "fuzzy" |
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Ocip
The Road goes ever on
1
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:53:24 -
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support this |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:56:01 -
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+1 OP
A matter very easy to fix.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Shin Kudo Udan
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:02:23 -
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+1, my father was daltonic too. |
Zephon Kado
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:10:10 -
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+1 support |
Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:19:08 -
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this time i hope thing can change.
for reply to some suggestion: i have the correct overview with only hostile in overview but in "space" i need to understand istantly the field or i may bomb with 6 squad of bomber the blue instead of red. with 400-500 people in local and 30-40 bomber to drive on target i need to understand the field istantly or i cannot drive correctly 40 bomb on target.
in other hand i'm a intie pilot and not having the "in space" view understandable instantly i cannot understand if pointing a hostile is a suicide or a excellent move.
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after that i'm in contact with a couple of csm10 and i hope we can fix that bug to allow accessibility to daltonic\color blind.
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what we need is a not transparent, and very clear color in the background of icons , and possibly customizable.
other mmorpg do that as basic option. |
MiGStalKeR
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:30:34 -
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+1 to OP |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
848
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:34:10 -
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CCP just doesn't care.
People have brought up color-blindness concerns repeatedly in the past, and every single time CCP either ignored it or made some vague promises that never came to fruition.
I think they try to follow design principles that allow the game to be used by people with color-blindness (such as with the new Neocom icons) but they don't seem to test for that at all. It's a shame, because there are programs that let you do this so it's not like CCP would even need to hire someone who's colorblind just to test their UI. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:35:15 -
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I think I'm confused.
Is it that he can't tell the difference between '+' and '-' because he is color blind or he can't tell the difference between triangles, pentagons, hexagons, etc. because he is color blind? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25275
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:38:09 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:I think I'm confused.
Is it that he can't tell the difference between '+' and '-' because he is color blind or he can't tell the difference between triangles, pentagons, hexagons, etc. because he is color blind? It's that the lowered contrast ratios in the colour application combined with the much slimmer shapes used leaves no GÇ£outGÇ¥ where one design element can no longer outweigh the flaws in another.
GǪI thinkGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2015.06.05 18:39:27 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:CCP just doesn't care. People have brought up color-blindness concerns repeatedly in the past, and every single time CCP either ignored it or made some vague promises that never came to fruition. I think they try to follow design principles that allow the game to be used by people with color-blindness (such as with the new Neocom icons) but they don't seem to test for that at all. It's a shame, because there are programs that let you do this so it's not like CCP would even need to hire someone who's colorblind just to test their UI.
They don't even need a program that does that, just desaturate those icons and check how visible the differences are on the background; then adjust accordingly.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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