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Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 3	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:19:05 - [1] - Quote CCP changes all norwegian subscriptions from 14.95$ to 19.90Euro or in Norwegian Currency 123 NOK to 184 NOK. Looks like CCP are doing their best to reduce their player base. I also want proof of their claims. according to Norwegian law you can buy products from forign countries for upto 200NOK (or more) without having to pay any aditional tax So if you going to claim local taxation then please provide us with the proof.......... Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 3	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:20:45 - [2] - Quote And before you close this.... this is not a rant it is an issue people should be able to discuss
mannyman Impossible Outcomes This Is How We Roll 12	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:28:08 - [3] - Quote this is redicolous. The Norwegian foreign trade law didnt change overnight to july 1 2015 ! CCP had to deal with this for years already. I want to know the VAT tax registration number CCP is going to pay the VAT to !
Bailian Moxtain North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 25	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:35:44 - [4] - Quote This is pretty ******* dumb
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 9124	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:38:44 - [5] - Quote File a Petition, you have a 30% chance it will be answered the first day, then it goes up to 50% the following day, after that who knows, but you will get an answer. I like Ravens. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1870	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:38:45 - [6] - Quote mannyman wrote: this is redicolous. The Norwegian foreign trade law didnt change overnight to july 1 2015 ! CCP had to deal with this for years already. I want to know the VAT tax registration number CCP is going to pay the VAT to ! Maybe they incurred the cost while making sure they could not get around it since it was really changed and now they are adjusting the price after finding out they can't get around it.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1649	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:40:30 - [7] - Quote Must oppress the other vikings! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Paranoid Loyd 5701	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:41:25 - [8] - Quote Ooh, I didn't have any Norwegian tears, at least none that I am aware of, thank you for your contribution. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13350	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:42:16 - [9] - Quote A repost so soon? Nice knowing you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Arec Bardwin 1845	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:43:10 - [10] - Quote mannyman wrote: I want to know the VAT tax registration number CCP is going to pay the VAT to ! This.
mannyman Impossible Outcomes This Is How We Roll 12	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:44:20 - [11] - Quote What about those who plex their accounts ? Will CCP have to report that to Norwegian authorities as an "income" for that specific person ?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1870	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:44:55 - [12] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: mannyman wrote: I want to know the VAT tax registration number CCP is going to pay the VAT to ! This. And I want the lotto numbers for the next 10 draws. Guess who's getting what he want?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1870	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:45:56 - [13] - Quote mannyman wrote: What about those who plex their accounts ? Will CCP have to report that to Norwegian authorities as an "income" for that specific person ? How stupid do you need to be to ask this when it's pretty clear CCP does not do that for any other countries? Special snowflake syndrome?
mannyman Impossible Outcomes This Is How We Roll 12	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:46:46 - [14] - Quote for those norwegian miners: plexing 10 miners: 184 NOK per miner X 10 = 1840 NOK per month X 12 months = 22080 NOK ! That is a serious income and have to be reported. If you ask me, this is way more serious than the VAT claim!
Paranoid Loyd 5702	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:48:14 - [15] - Quote mannyman wrote: for those norwegian miners: plexing 10 miners: 184 NOK per miner X 10 = 1840 NOK per month X 12 months = 22080 NOK ! That is a serious income and have to be reported. If you ask me, this is way more serious than the VAT claim! Quoting for hilarity. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Khanid Voltar Third Way Retirement Corp 42	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:51:26 - [16] - Quote mannyman wrote: for those norwegian miners: plexing 10 miners: 184 NOK per miner X 10 = 1840 NOK per month X 12 months = 22080 NOK ! That is a serious income and have to be reported. If you ask me, this is way more serious than the VAT claim! It would be taxed in the currency where the plex was originally purchased. Unless you are suggesting that Norwegians pay VAT on their in-game purchases as well? You numbskull.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 37890	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:53:00 - [17] - Quote mannyman wrote: for those norwegian miners: plexing 10 miners: 184 NOK per miner X 10 = 1840 NOK per month X 12 months = 22080 NOK ! That is a serious income and have to be reported. If you ask me, this is way more serious than the VAT claim! Lucky miners can't earn NOK then, unless you're RMTing of course. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 720	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:53:54 - [18] - Quote mannyman wrote: for those norwegian miners: plexing 10 miners: 184 NOK per miner X 10 = 1840 NOK per month X 12 months = 22080 NOK ! That is a serious income and have to be reported. If you ask me, this is way more serious than the VAT claim! Well, let's say I buy a bag of crisps, and you buy a box of biscuits. We then trade a crisp for a biscuit. Are we required to pay VAT on that transaction? Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
mannyman Impossible Outcomes This Is How We Roll 12	Posted - 2015.06.08 19:55:09 - [19] - Quote The whole VAT thing is hilarious !
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1873	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:20:17 - [20] - Quote mannyman wrote: for those norwegian miners: plexing 10 miners: 184 NOK per miner X 10 = 1840 NOK per month X 12 months = 22080 NOK ! That is a serious income and have to be reported. If you ask me, this is way more serious than the VAT claim! Must suck to be norwegian to be taxed on in-game gains. Here in Canada, I can earn as much as I want and never get taxed. And to think many people here think your country should serve as a model. Or maybe you are just stupid and don't understand how things work...
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Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 1166	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:32:04 - [22] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Arec Bardwin wrote: mannyman wrote: I want to know the VAT tax registration number CCP is going to pay the VAT to ! This. And I want the lotto numbers for the next 10 draws. Guess who's getting what he want? On the possibility its you... you know I've always thought you were a great poster right? bats eyelids
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1873	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:32:28 - [23] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Sigh. Ill just do the heavy lifting, and Barstorlode can just rubber stamp it. Dude has been overworked lately. [Stamp here].[/quote] Pretty sure some ISD told a player making post like that without the authority to do so by being ISD member was not really liked.
Sadario Appetite 4 Destruction 59	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:32:47 - [24] - Quote UaE: Is it regarded as private communication, if all norwegians recieved the same mail? I too, would like to know what laws changed for me to be taxed VAT on my sub...
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1873	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:33:39 - [25] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Arec Bardwin wrote: mannyman wrote: I want to know the VAT tax registration number CCP is going to pay the VAT to ! This. And I want the lotto numbers for the next 10 draws. Guess who's getting what he want? On the possibility its you... you know I've always thought you were a great poster right? bats eyelids Allright, I'll send you what I win on the 1th draw converted in PLEX.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1873	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:35:23 - [26] - Quote Sadario wrote: UaE: Is it regarded as private communication, if all norwegians recieved the same mail? I too, would like to know what laws changed for me to be taxed VAT on my sub... 1- Yes because it was sent to each individuals. 2- Check your international commercial law change in the past few months. It more than likely didn't swap directly on june.
DaReaper Net 7 2166	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:40:13 - [27] - Quote filing a petition would of gotten you a faster answer. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
stoicfaux 5847	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:44:40 - [28] - Quote Silly Europeans, VAT this, VAT that. Why don't you move to a country that allows you to openly carry an AR-15 assault rifle in the Atlanta airport? What I'm trying to say is, we don't have a problem with VAT here in 'Murica! Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 6	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:45:07 - [29] - Quote DaReaper wrote: filing a petition would of gotten you a faster answer. filing a petition wouldnt have gotten me any answers. all i know there is alot of norwegians quitting the game or unsubbing some of their accounts due to this. If their making claims that the changes are due to local law that non of us know about then they should provide evedence of their claims.
stoicfaux 5847	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:52:04 - [30] - Quote Okay, for us non-Europeans, Norway likes their tax money: https://www.taxamo.com/eu-vat-rules-global-plans/ "Some jurisdictions such as Norway, South Africa, Switzerland, and GÇô more recently GÇô the EU have already introduced taxation measures aimed at GÇÿlevelling the playing fieldGÇÖ and recouping tax from non-domestic providers of digital services." "Norway Norway has been the pioneer when it comes to the taxation of the digital economy with rules introduced back in July 2011. These regulations dictate that digital services supplied by non-established vendors to consumers in Norway (B2C) are subject to Norwegian VAT and the vendor must calculate, collect, and pay the VAT. As an alternative to ordinary VAT registration, vendors may opt to use a simplified registration scheme. More information here. The Norwegian Tax Administration has its own web page for the simplified scheme for non-established vendors supplying electronic services to consumers in Norway." Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Zeko Rena ENCOM Industries 3196	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:52:17 - [31] - Quote Quote: all i know there is alot of norwegians quitting the game or unsubbing some of their accounts due to this. Nooooooooo, come back Norway please, if you all leave what will I do with myself
mannyman Impossible Outcomes This Is How We Roll 12	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:52:27 - [32] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Or maybe you are just stupid and don't understand how things work... I think we had enough of your comments.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1678	Posted - 2015.06.08 20:59:05 - [33] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Sadario wrote: UaE: Is it regarded as private communication, if all norwegians recieved the same mail? I too, would like to know what laws changed for me to be taxed VAT on my sub... 1- Yes because it was sent to each individuals. 2- Check your international commercial law change in the past few months. It more than likely didn't swap directly on june. so you actually have no ideas about subject but still find appropriate call other person 'dumb' for asking? kind these days..... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
mannyman Impossible Outcomes This Is How We Roll 12	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:02:28 - [34] - Quote so 20k norwegian players will now 1. unsubb 2. start plexing lets say 10k players start plexing now, I can only assume plex prices will go up up up.. 1b plex anyone ?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1874	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:04:21 - [35] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: edit: But why is Norway's VAT a problem right now? For all we know, CCP messed up and just got a VAT bill in the mail recently and a deal was struct to recover the money "lost" since 2011 that way. This is of course complete ridiculous speculation based on what we know. Which amount to nearly nothing...
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1874	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:08:04 - [36] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Sadario wrote: UaE: Is it regarded as private communication, if all norwegians recieved the same mail? I too, would like to know what laws changed for me to be taxed VAT on my sub... 1- Yes because it was sent to each individuals. 2- Check your international commercial law change in the past few months. It more than likely didn't swap directly on june. so you actually have no ideas about subject but still find appropriate call other person 'dumb' for asking? kind these days..... I'm kinda waiting for you to share your much bigger knowledge tbh now...
NightmareX Lakagigar 600	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:14:28 - [37] - Quote Next Billing Date: 30 June 2015 - 5:38 pm UTC (in 21 days). Hmm, wonder if i should put in a subscription for 6 or 12 months from that and pay the normal rate instead? Yes i'm a Norwegian. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos: 1: Asteroid Madness 2: Clash of the Empires 3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 981	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:31:04 - [38] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: DaReaper wrote: filing a petition would of gotten you a faster answer. filing a petition wouldnt have gotten me any answers. all i know there is alot of norwegians quitting the game or unsubbing some of their accounts due to this. Well seeing that Norway is an european country and hence should pay in euros or local currency is fine.. But with CCP lying to us about how the laws in norway all of the sudden changed is not somenting i accept. Looks like they finally got to enforcing their tax stuff. I'll guess we'll see more of this in the foreseeable future . And of course more tears. Time to get some popcorn. Everywhere.Not just Norway . Remove insurance.
Igor Nappi Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:44:02 - [39] - Quote This problem would go away if you'd realized the error in your ways of nationally controlled currency, bent the knee and adopted the glorious Euro. Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.
Souxie Alduin Anarchy in the Eve 142	Posted - 2015.06.08 22:06:58 - [40] - Quote ^^Never! (Also, we're not in the EU) My yearly sub just went from $179 to $269? That's not very nice. Apparently greed is good.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5703	Posted - 2015.06.08 22:26:59 - [41] - Quote Removed a political statement. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 752	Posted - 2015.06.08 22:37:51 - [42] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a political statement. Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm. I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Lucretia DeWinter Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 236	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:47:52 - [43] - Quote You can buy PLEX for $35, and some sites give you a bonus PLEX for buying enough of them. I figured it out that you could pay in PLEX at a monthly equivalent cost of $16.79 (14.88 EU / 131.32 NOK) That's based on PLEXing monthly for two years though... It's similar here in that we pay more "Because Taxes" (nudge, wink) but the discounted CCP long-term packages still work out cheaper. (equivalent 10 EU / 90 NOK @ 12 mth) If I was paying monthly, I'd still be paying by PLEX bought from US sellers for dollars. They did change EU tax laws in January this year to mean that digital services get charged VAT in the consumers country - so this change is probably related to that and isn't going to go away. It must apply in Norway too as an EEA member.
Hicksimus Xion Limited Resonance. 632	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:48:31 - [44] - Quote Over the last month we've averaged 24000 online(and declining) which is the same as we averaged in June 2007. Compared to 34000 in June 2010. Upset some more people CCP, EvE is nowhere near dead enough yet. Edit: BTW that's 5000 less than post Incarna.... Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Osaka Takawaki Order and Prosperity 1	Posted - 2015.06.09 00:15:11 - [45] - Quote I really like Eve... But there's a limit to how much I'm willing to pay for all this skill training lol. It's like people think Norwegians are so rich anyways, so lets just take some more out of their pockets. I don't know whether to dislike CCP or the Norwegian government here, but since we're not getting any official and detailed answer, I'm just gonna chose to dislike them both.
Adriana Nolen Sama Guild 109	Posted - 2015.06.09 03:11:57 - [46] - Quote Wow, that's like $24 USD. You guys should look into money laundering schemes.
DaReaper Net 7 2169	Posted - 2015.06.09 03:21:27 - [47] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a political statement. Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm. I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined. commies =! socialist OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 769	Posted - 2015.06.09 04:59:06 - [48] - Quote Oh snap, **** is about to go down. Battles In The North, between two Grim And Frostbitten Kingdoms...
Riven Varlass 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2015.06.09 05:16:18 - [49] - Quote I would like an elaboration on the subject matter. It is a significant increase and makes little sense considering our government has increased the purchase limit on foreign services before you have to pay tax.
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 250	Posted - 2015.06.09 09:31:58 - [50] - Quote DaReaper wrote: McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a political statement. Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm. I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined. commies =! socialist Ive never met a communists who wouldn't openly admit he's a communist Ive never met a socialist that would openly admit their a socialist.
stoicfaux 5853	Posted - 2015.06.09 11:32:11 - [51] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Ive never met a communists who wouldn't openly admit he's a communist Ive never met a socialist that would openly admit their a socialist. And I've never met a rabid "Socialism is Evil! Evil, I tell you!" person who could spell and use punctuation correctly. Or define socialism. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Lucy Oreless The Guardian Knights AXIOS. 241	Posted - 2015.06.09 11:42:37 - [52] - Quote I'm Norwegian and could not be happier about this news :D I might finally be able to quit this game since paying almost twice what i already do for all those "mostly" inactive accounts is ludicrous anyways.. So a big thank you to CCP. The monthly 600Nkr u have received from me (+ the plex's for bling) can now be spend on other games that i actually play I feel like quoting my favorite poet, Dr C. Sheen... "WINNING". PS! This is sincerely not a rant.. i am genuinely happy about this -áI did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
Zapp McDouche Its a good day to die ORPHANS OF EVE 0	Posted - 2015.06.09 11:45:00 - [53] - Quote Meh Norwegians got all that Oil money, why they complaining about a few more kronors to pay for their account? Its not like they can't afford it Sucks that as a non euro country having to pay in euros though since i get better price in dollars.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 307	Posted - 2015.06.09 12:50:57 - [54] - Quote CCP said some years ago "we are at a point we can lose subscriptions"......some time later they said "how can we keep subscriptions?" "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11294	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:05:58 - [55] - Quote Osaka Takawaki wrote: I really like Eve... But there's a limit to how much I'm willing to pay for all this skill training lol. It's like people think Norwegians are so rich anyways, so lets just take some more out of their pockets. I don't know whether to dislike CCP or the Norwegian government here, but since we're not getting any official and detailed answer, I'm just gonna chose to dislike them both. So you don't know whether to dislike CCP or Norway ...over a TAX issue? You know it's governments that raise (and demand) Taxes right? for profit companies don't just up and decide "you know, we need to pay more taxes, and charge people more so that really ticks them off" lol. If you are Norwegian and don't like what's going on, Talk to your government.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11294	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:07:34 - [56] - Quote Lucy Oreless wrote: I'm Norwegian and could not be happier about this news :D I might finally be able to quit this game since paying almost twice what i already do for all those "mostly" inactive accounts is ludicrous anyways.. So a big thank you to CCP. The monthly 600Nkr u have received from me (+ the plex's for bling) can now be spend on other games that i actually play I feel like quoting my favorite poet, Dr C. Sheen... "WINNING". PS! This is sincerely not a rant.. i am genuinely happy about this I know this is sarcasm, but how is it someone Else's fault that you choose to pay for something you don't use? I see that a lot around here, people blaming others for their own faults.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 223	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:18:47 - [57] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ooh, I didn't have any Norwegian tears, at least none that I am aware of, thank you for your contribution. Such a nice fellow. I'm sure you all know. Could this be some internal decision by someone to shift a burden of some sort. I'm aware the customer doesn't pay tax before a certain amount is spent...is there some fee structure for a vendor to sell to Norwegians? Interesting. We've heard how Icelandic banks view their jobs... BTW, capitalism is all politics. You can't discuss the price of eggs without discussing politics. I survived Win95
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 11	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:29:13 - [58] - Quote Lucretia DeWinter wrote: You can buy PLEX for $35, and some sites give you a bonus PLEX for buying enough of them. I figured it out that you could pay in PLEX at a monthly equivalent cost of $16.79 (14.88 EU / 131.32 NOK) That's based on PLEXing monthly for two years though... It's similar here in that we pay more "Because Taxes" (nudge, wink) but the discounted CCP long-term packages still work out cheaper. (equivalent 10 EU / 90 NOK @ 12 mth) If I was paying monthly, I'd still be paying by PLEX bought from US sellers for dollars. They did change EU tax laws in January this year to mean that digital services get charged VAT in the consumers country - so this change is probably related to that and isn't going to go away. It must apply in Norway too as an EEA member. That would mean that all EU subscribers should get an increase not just one nation...
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:10:32 - [59] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: CCP changes all norwegian subscriptions from 14.95$ to 19.90Euro or in Norwegian Currency 123 NOK to 184 NOK. Looks like CCP are doing their best to reduce their player base. I also want proof of their claims. according to Norwegian law you can buy products from forign countries for upto 200NOK (or more) without having to pay any aditional tax So if you going to claim local taxation then please provide us with the proof.......... Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support I am from Finland, and know how rich you guys are because of oil (because WE are rich, then you must be unimaginable rich). Just stop for a second and think how your "problem" feels for somebody in Russia or Ukraine, they have had their currency rates to blummet too, you know(?), it must have made their game more expensive too...
Goatman NotMyFault Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus 194	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:27:35 - [60] - Quote I think the best way to get to get an answer from CCP, is not to ask here. From my experience, asking questions like this in this forum only produce a crapload of answers that only pollute the post. Some(or manny...or most lol) of the Forumusers have a set of rules, 1, Get the post closed. 2. make jokes, then get the post closed. 3. Insult the OP, then get the post closed. Send in a ticket, ull get answers from staff that have no clue what to say, so insist on getting it bumped up until u get a reply from someone that actually might have a Clue... but dont get ur hopes up, this will take a long time. Master Kent'sslave wrote: CCP changes all norwegian subscriptions from 14.95$ to 19.90Euro or in Norwegian Currency 123 NOK to 184 NOK. Looks like CCP are doing their best to reduce their player base. I also want proof of their claims. according to Norwegian law you can buy products from forign countries for upto 200NOK (or more) without having to pay any aditional tax So if you going to claim local taxation then please provide us with the proof.......... Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:32:37 - [61] - Quote Goatman NotMyFault wrote: I think the best way to get to get an answer from CCP, is not to ask here. From my experience, asking questions like this in this forum only produce a crapload of answers that only pollute the post. Some(or manny...or most lol) of the Forumusers have a set of rules, 1, Get the post closed. 2. make jokes, then get the post closed. 3. Insult the OP, then get the post closed. Send in a ticket, ull get answers from staff that have no clue what to say, so insist on getting it bumped up until u get a reply from someone that actually might have a Clue... but dont get ur hopes up, this will take a long time. Ummm... I still fail to see any problem here from CCP-¦s part, they have always set prices for each different currency how they see those people are able to pay. Maybe Norway-¦s currency is now getting a hit, as CCP is receiving less in Russian rubles? EDIT: 20 euro is only two beers at a bar in Norway.
Goatman NotMyFault Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus 194	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:41:59 - [62] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Goatman NotMyFault wrote: I think the best way to get to get an answer from CCP, is not to ask here. From my experience, asking questions like this in this forum only produce a crapload of answers that only pollute the post. Some(or manny...or most lol) of the Forumusers have a set of rules, 1, Get the post closed. 2. make jokes, then get the post closed. 3. Insult the OP, then get the post closed. Send in a ticket, ull get answers from staff that have no clue what to say, so insist on getting it bumped up until u get a reply from someone that actually might have a Clue... but dont get ur hopes up, this will take a long time. Ummm... I still fail to see any problem here from CCP-¦s part, they have always set prices for each different currency how they see those people are able to pay. Maybe Norway-¦s currency is now getting a hit, as CCP is receiving less in Russian rubles? Well it might be an idea for CCP to adjust their subs prices out from the currency value and adjust With the fluxuations. But increasing the prices will only make players stop buying subs.... but again, it has allready happend and it might be a planned move from CCP to increase pricing to make up the loss from lost subs. People have been leaving EVE in much higher grade than few years ago and the playerbase is shrinking.
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 11	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:47:24 - [63] - Quote The whole point here is that they claim there is a VAT that they have to start paying on july 1th. but ecept for there havent been any changes at all since JULY 1th 2011 4 years ago http://www.voesnorway.com/ and when i ask them for documentation then i get answers like "we can assure you" and no documentation of it So their lying to us.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11297	Posted - 2015.06.09 14:51:54 - [64] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: The whole point here is that they claim there is a VAT that they have to start paying on july 1th. but ecept for there havent been any changes at all since JULY 1th 2011 4 years ago http://www.voesnorway.com/ and when i ask them for documentation then i get answers like "we can assure you" and no documentation of it So their lying to us. If you believe that nonsense, then unsub. No one owes you a video game.
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 11	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:04:54 - [65] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: The whole point here is that they claim there is a VAT that they have to start paying on july 1th. but ecept for there havent been any changes at all since JULY 1th 2011 4 years ago http://www.voesnorway.com/ and when i ask them for documentation then i get answers like "we can assure you" and no documentation of it So their lying to us. If you believe that nonsense, then unsub. No one owes you a video game. owe me? not saying that ccp owe me anything. i am saying that as an professional company they shouldnt lie to their customers. if they increase if for some other reason then tell the real reason
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:13:16 - [66] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: owe me? not saying that ccp owe me anything. i am saying that as an professional company they shouldnt lie to their customers. if they increase if for some other reason then tell the real reason It were a nice gesture for Frontier Developments to include backers home cities into Earth of ED. I wonder when CCP will get to the point when they try to make some similar effort to please their customers.
Lyria Ghost Stead Logistics 6	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:23:49 - [67] - Quote An increase from 15 euros to 20 euros is NOT a 50% increase, not at all. It's a 33% increase. Calling a 33% increase a 50% increase is worse than calling 20 euros equal to 15 euros (50/30= 1,66; so a 66% increase, while 20/15=1,33 is a 33% increase). Since even with a 66% difference things still equal to you we can deduct that you shouldn't be able to tell a difference when it's only a 33% increase. So with your math skills I guess you don't have any problem since your subscription didn't change then. You should only notice a difference when it's an increase by at least 66%.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 223	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:29:19 - [68] - Quote Lyria Ghost wrote: An increase from 15 euros to 20 euros is NOT a 50% increase, not at all. It's a 33% increase. Calling a 33% increase a 50% increase is worse than calling 20 euros equal to 15 euros (50/30= 1,66; so a 66% increase, while 20/15=1,33 is a 33% increase). Since even with a 66% difference things still equal to you we can deduct that you shouldn't be able to tell a difference when it's only a 33% increase. So with your math skills I guess you don't have any problem since your subscription didn't change then. You should only notice a difference when it's an increase by at least 66%. So please stop the whining until a subscription costs you 25 euros You just had to say that, right? I survived Win95
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:33:28 - [69] - Quote This topic should have a notice at beginning that EvE has cost already for years for both US (dollar) and EU (euro) player both 15 units of their currency, no matter even bigger fluxuations between them. Guess they were monitoring purchase power of the currency. I dont believe EvE has ever cost for a Russian 15 dollars or euro-¦s, but "15 of their units". It is just how things work, Norwaegian can have with that 20 euro about the same as a Finn with 10 euro. And people from Finland pay 15 euro mont, so in a way, actually more than Norwegians who pay 20 euro. Get it. Purchasing power. Too bad for (very) poor of Norway, though.
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 11	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:38:25 - [70] - Quote Lyria Ghost wrote: An increase from 15 euros to 20 euros is NOT a 50% increase, not at all. It's a 33% increase. Calling a 33% increase a 50% increase is worse than calling 20 euros equal to 15 euros (50/30= 1,66; so a 66% increase, while 20/15=1,33 is a 33% increase). Since even with a 66% difference things still equal to you we can deduct that you shouldn't be able to tell a difference when it's only a 33% increase. So with your math skills I guess you don't have any problem since your subscription didn't change then. You should only notice a difference when it's an increase by at least 66%. So please stop the whining until a subscription costs you 25 euros To day we pay 14.95 DOLLAR (= 123NOK) and they want to charge us 19.90 EUROS ( = 184NOK) An increase from 123NOK to 184NOK = 61NOK witch is 49.xx % NOK is the norwegian currency
DaReaper Net 7 2180	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:16:27 - [71] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: DaReaper wrote: McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a political statement. Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm. I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined. commies =! socialist Ive never met a communists who wouldn't openly admit he's a communist Ive never met a socialist that would openly admit their a socialist. You just did. Hi, my name is justin and i am a socialist. I believe regulation of business helps keep them honest and enables compition. I believe higher taxe son business forces them to reinvest in themselves and not give ceo's and exeuctives bounus' while screwing workers. I am NOT a communist. I do NOT believe the gov should issue quota's to business in what they cna and can not produce and how much, nor do a i believe in everyone being paid the same, nor do i believe in full gov control of prices and industry. I am a socalist, Gov should regulate business, becuase Capitalism and Communism, when left in there purest forms fail due to human greed. there, you just met a socialist. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:22:11 - [72] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Snagletooth Johnson wrote: DaReaper wrote: McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a political statement. Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm. I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined. commies =! socialist Ive never met a communists who wouldn't openly admit he's a communist Ive never met a socialist that would openly admit their a socialist. You just did. Hi, my name is justin and i am a socialist. I believe regulation of business helps keep them honest and enables compition. I believe higher taxe son business forces them to reinvest in themselves and not give ceo's and exeuctives bounus' while screwing workers. I am NOT a communist. I do NOT believe the gov should issue quota's to business in what they cna and can not produce and how much, nor do a i believe in everyone being paid the same, nor do i believe in full gov control of prices and industry. I am a socalist, Gov should regulate business, becuase Capitalism and Communism, when left in there purest forms fail due to human greed. there, you just met a socialist. I know you mean well and are totally right, but believe me, internet has conversion rate of 10% and dislike rate of 90% on any subject people read about.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1681	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:32:34 - [73] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Maybe Norway-¦s currency is now getting a hit, as CCP is receiving less in Russian rubles? technically CCP gets MORE of RUssian RUBles. But they get less converted to dollars. back in March of 2014 i have paid 3499 RUB for 12 month which was about 97 dollars (36 RUB for 1 dollar). Now they ask me to pay 4899 RUB. This is 87 dollars (about 56 RUB for one dollar) So yes, it's possible that they are trying to rebalance income The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
DaReaper Net 7 2182	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:35:25 - [74] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: I know you mean well and are totally right, but believe me, internet has conversion rate of 10% and dislike rate of 90% on any subject people read about. I'm just saying, a communist is not a socialist. Learn the difference. Yes the USSR and China bastardidzed the term. an economic Socialist believe that if the economy is a river, that you need regulation to be sure the river doens;t flood and destory the houses, or dry up and everyone dies. where as a communist will lock up all the water and only send down a cretin amount each year, they basicly build a dam and a capitalist.. well, its a damn river let it flow. We may not agree on monetary policy, but use the correct term when discussing issues. And if you are an american you do realize we are a socialist country right? Try wrapping your head around that idea =) ISD: yea reai life politics, feel free to delete my post if i crossed over a line, thanks. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:39:43 - [75] - Quote DaReaper wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: I know you mean well and are totally right, but believe me, internet has conversion rate of 10% and dislike rate of 90% on any subject people read about. I'm just saying, a communist is not a socialist. Learn the difference. I-¦m from Finland, socialist state, all the way back from the era when USSR next to us were communist, into a country that now pretends to be capitalist state to please the "west". Hell our most right wing party would be counted in the USA left from Democrats.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11301	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:50:14 - [76] - Quote March rabbit wrote: let's just hope fanbois like Jenna are not in majority so CCP will not wait until it's too late I'm sorry, are you not paying for this game as well? If you don't like what CCP is doing, imagine what that makes you for giving them money...
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1681	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:56:23 - [77] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: March rabbit wrote: let's just hope fanbois like Jenna are not in majority so CCP will not wait until it's too late I'm sorry, are you not paying for this game as well? If you don't like what CCP is doing, imagine what that makes you for giving them money... I'm in process of deciding if i will continue to play or quit. Till now i don't regret about my money given to CCP. Will see if i change my opinion about matter. That's the difference between us The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
DaReaper Net 7 2184	Posted - 2015.06.09 16:58:56 - [78] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: DaReaper wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: I know you mean well and are totally right, but believe me, internet has conversion rate of 10% and dislike rate of 90% on any subject people read about. I'm just saying, a communist is not a socialist. Learn the difference. I-¦m from Finland, socialist state, all the way back from the era when USSR next to us were communist, into a country that now pretends to be capitalist state to please the "west". Hell our most right wing party would be counted in the USA left from Democrats. that would be crazy, whats your left wing party like? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 13	Posted - 2015.06.09 17:12:07 - [79] - Quote DaReaper wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: DaReaper wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: I know you mean well and are totally right, but believe me, internet has conversion rate of 10% and dislike rate of 90% on any subject people read about. I'm just saying, a communist is not a socialist. Learn the difference. I-¦m from Finland, socialist state, all the way back from the era when USSR next to us were communist, into a country that now pretends to be capitalist state to please the "west". Hell our most right wing party would be counted in the USA left from Democrats. that would be crazy, whats your left wing party like? prolly just as the left wing in norway SV who want to cut all ties with EU, get rid of our military and leave nato and increase disability pay to the same lvl as a regulare employee
Reiisha Repracor Industries 746	Posted - 2015.06.09 17:12:14 - [80] - Quote mannyman wrote: What about those who plex their accounts ? Will CCP have to report that to Norwegian authorities as an "income" for that specific person ? No, because no monetary transactions take place. PLEX are, legally, ingame items once bought and do not represent a real world value. CCP nor you owe taxes for using ingame items :) If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5707	Posted - 2015.06.09 18:34:41 - [81] - Quote Removed some off topic posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 18:44:14 - [82] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed some off topic posts. Thx, for some reason it always gets out of hands between us socialist Scandinavians and those capitalist pigs.
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 7	Posted - 2015.06.09 19:07:02 - [83] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: owe me? not saying that ccp owe me anything. i am saying that as an professional company they shouldnt lie to their customers. if they increase if for some other reason then tell the real reason It were a nice gesture from Frontier Developments to include backers home cities into Earth of ED. I wonder when CCP will get to the point when they try to make some similar effort to please their customers. m0o corp. They have a system named after them. There is Zephyr, who has a ship named after him. There are others you can find on the market as well! Can you not see it, Mr. *******? They've built a monument with the player's names scratched onto it's surface! m0o-thread with devposts, google knows more: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=167878 CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.06.09 19:10:45 - [84] - Quote Pops Tickle wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: owe me? not saying that ccp owe me anything. i am saying that as an professional company they shouldnt lie to their customers. if they increase if for some other reason then tell the real reason It were a nice gesture from Frontier Developments to include backers home cities into Earth of ED. I wonder when CCP will get to the point when they try to make some similar effort to please their customers. m0o corp. They have a system named after them. There is Zephyr, who has a ship named after him. There are others you can find on the market as well! Can you not see it, Mr. *******? They've built a monument with the player's names scratched onto it's surface! m0o-thread with devposts, google knows more: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=167878 Nice, thx, I will check this closer, were obviously totally unaware about all of that...
Pops Tickle Tickle Industries 7	Posted - 2015.06.09 19:40:54 - [85] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Pops Tickle wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: owe me? not saying that ccp owe me anything. i am saying that as an professional company they shouldnt lie to their customers. if they increase if for some other reason then tell the real reason It were a nice gesture from Frontier Developments to include backers home cities into Earth of ED. I wonder when CCP will get to the point when they try to make some similar effort to please their customers. m0o corp. They have a system named after them. There is Zephyr, who has a ship named after him. There are others you can find on the market as well! Can you not see it, Mr. *******? They've built a monument with the player's names scratched onto it's surface! m0o-thread with devposts, google knows more: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=167878 Nice, thx, I will check this closer, were obviously totally unaware about all of that... Suddenly aware of the unaware. CCP Rise wrote: "We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed." Source
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 175	Posted - 2015.06.09 19:43:43 - [86] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Pops Tickle wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: owe me? not saying that ccp owe me anything. i am saying that as an professional company they shouldnt lie to their customers. if they increase if for some other reason then tell the real reason It were a nice gesture from Frontier Developments to include backers home cities into Earth of ED. I wonder when CCP will get to the point when they try to make some similar effort to please their customers. m0o corp. They have a system named after them. There is Zephyr, who has a ship named after him. There are others you can find on the market as well! Can you not see it, Mr. *******? They've built a monument with the player's names scratched onto it's surface! m0o-thread with devposts, google knows more: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=167878 Nice, thx, I will check this closer, were obviously totally unaware about all of that... This is from a time when EVE was so horribly unbalanced. CCP were releasing stuff thinking "whatever", silly game mechanics included.
WhatYouDidThere 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.06.09 19:49:13 - [87] - Quote If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors
z'kroh Caldari Fire Demons The Southern Syndicate 2	Posted - 2015.06.09 19:51:47 - [88] - Quote Whiners. Join EU and use EUR.
Osaka Takawaki Order and Prosperity 1	Posted - 2015.06.09 20:39:35 - [89] - Quote I'd rather starve than join the failure of a bureaucracy that the EU is. CCP is just charging us more without giving us any answers, proof, etc. Just because we're richer than most people doesn't mean we should pay more, freakin' commies.
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 151	Posted - 2015.06.10 02:34:19 - [90] - Quote NBTCCP&ISDLOCK lawl You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 384	Posted - 2015.06.10 05:51:20 - [91] - Quote You guys should pay attention. This isn't the first time the Norwegians tried to tell us something important! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXHAwz-dcrs
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 858	Posted - 2015.06.10 05:56:25 - [92] - Quote Elenahina wrote: More importantly, if my crisps cost more than your biscuits on a per crisp/bisquit basis, are you required to report the difference as income? I mean you now have more value than you did before. You might be able to report it is as a capital loss.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 858	Posted - 2015.06.10 06:15:31 - [93] - Quote McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Removed a political statement. Aww. I was just about to try and turn this into a debate on the pros and cons of socialism. I even brought my socialist retardant coat in expectation of the inevitable commie tear storm. I'll just move along then. This evenings entertainment has been ruined. It isn't fun fighting someone unarmed and no legs to stand on. You might as well debate against this.
Claud Tiberius Caldari State 118	Posted - 2015.06.10 08:38:54 - [94] - Quote WhatYouDidThere wrote: If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors I don't think people are arguing about the price of subscription because it takes too much of their monthly income. The argument: Is it fair that Norway has to pay extra? Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 09:15:54 - [95] - Quote Claud Tiberius wrote: WhatYouDidThere wrote: If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors I don't think people are arguing about the price of subscription because it takes too much of their monthly income. The argument: Is it fair that Norway has to pay extra? Is it fair that Russians get monthly subscription so cheap compared to EU/USA? I live in Finland and they just over the border, but I don-¦t feel violated anyway because I had to pay more. So Norway, now it-¦s same with you and EU (including your dear neighbour Finland).
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 1004	Posted - 2015.06.10 09:52:19 - [96] - Quote Thats what you get for not being part of the EU/Euro community. On the other hand, it is still cheaper than sinking billions into Greece and other failed states.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 377	Posted - 2015.06.10 10:28:59 - [97] - Quote In norway everything is more expensive. Except internets. And the northern lights. Why last time i was there, my parking ticket was over 200 Norway Isks... In other news Austrialians pay heaps more than other places for games. Steam charges different prices depending where you are. Video rentals are different in my country... etc. I currently live in Switzerland. EVERYTHING except eve costs more. Just going to a movie cost 1.5 plex. A beer is about 0.8 plex. And no a private company does not need to show you anything about why the price went up. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing Suddenly Spaceships. 15	Posted - 2015.06.10 15:06:45 - [98] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: A beer is about 0.8 plex. I wish I could buy beer with plex.... Also, I would be completely fine with changing to EUR (Hasn't the usual excuse from CCP for demanding the same price in USD and EUR despite exchange rate difference in the past been VAT btw?), but both changit it AND demanding we pay more than anyone else is just a big middle finger tbh. Phoenix Wing is recruiting a handfull skilled pilots for Null/LowSec PVP!
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:32:12 - [99] - Quote Thuul'Khalat wrote: Delt0r Garsk wrote: A beer is about 0.8 plex. I wish I could buy beer with plex.... Also, I would be completely fine with changing to EUR (Hasn't the usual excuse from CCP for demanding the same price in USD and EUR despite exchange rate difference in the past been VAT btw?), but both changit it AND demanding we pay more than anyone else is just a big middle finger tbh. and lying about the reason behind it.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1882	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:46:06 - [100] - Quote Claud Tiberius wrote: WhatYouDidThere wrote: If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors I don't think people are arguing about the price of subscription because it takes too much of their monthly income. The argument: Is it fair that Norway has to pay extra? It's an EVE subscription and you expect fair?
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 16:51:59 - [101] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Claud Tiberius wrote: WhatYouDidThere wrote: If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors I don't think people are arguing about the price of subscription because it takes too much of their monthly income. The argument: Is it fair that Norway has to pay extra? It's an EVE subscription and you expect fair? come on frosty you can do better than this... i'm especting more from ur poasting skillz
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1882	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:07:59 - [102] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Claud Tiberius wrote: WhatYouDidThere wrote: If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors I don't think people are arguing about the price of subscription because it takes too much of their monthly income. The argument: Is it fair that Norway has to pay extra? It's an EVE subscription and you expect fair? come on frosty you can do better than this... i'm especting more from ur poasting skillz I would first have to belive you when you say I have any kind of poster skill but at the end of the day, you will either pay up and keep playing or shut up and leave. Well you can also grind ISK to get PLEX and keep playing. That is technically the best option as CCP keeps your sub and you don't pay the new charges.
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:28:51 - [103] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Claud Tiberius wrote: WhatYouDidThere wrote: If those 5 bux are worth argueing about, there is a high chance you should not spent your time video gaming and rather focus on not starving irl... #nopoors I don't think people are arguing about the price of subscription because it takes too much of their monthly income. The argument: Is it fair that Norway has to pay extra? It's an EVE subscription and you expect fair? come on frosty you can do better than this... i'm especting more from ur poasting skillz I would first have to belive you when you say I have any kind of poster skill but at the end of the day, you will either pay up and keep playing or shut up and leave. Well you can also grind ISK to get PLEX and keep playing. That is technically the best option as CCP keeps your sub and you don't pay the new charges. get it into youre f*****g head it is not about if its 4 euros or 50 euros its about CCP lying to their customers or refusal of providing documentationg on their VAT claims and yeah if it turns out that CCP is lying then yes i will unsub the rest of my accounts as i dont want to feed them with my mony if they lie to me
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1884	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:50:25 - [104] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: get it into youre f***g head it is not about if its 4 euros or 50 euros its about CCP lying to their customers or refusal of providing documentationg on their VAT claims and yeah if it turns out that CCP is lying then yes i will unsub the rest of my accounts as i dont want to feed them with my mony if they lie to me Either you belive them or you unsub. I'm pretty sure they won't share their financial ploicies and agreement with various government over taxes and other regulation. For all I know, Canada could be next to be hit and theyre is ** all I could do about it except, as I suggested, pay up, grind or leave. You expect a privately held company to share their VAT claims numbers with you? I'm still waiting on those lotto numbers so I can pay the fine poster from earlier in the thread his well deserved prize of PLEXes...
Paranoid Loyd 5743	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:52:26 - [105] - Quote It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service." Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1884	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:56:36 - [106] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service." Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company. Or they got audited... Who knows?
Paranoid Loyd 5743	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:01:16 - [107] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: someone either demanded it from them Or they got audited... Who knows?[/quote] Summarily inferred "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:45:02 - [108] - Quote Sounds pretty weird CCP would not have noticed to include VAT before, if that were they intention and/or need... brings to my mind... Is rest of the world next?
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 160	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:55:55 - [109] - Quote just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. Just Add Water
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:14:20 - [110] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service." Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company. ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:28:24 - [111] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago That's not what it says in the message you posted in the OP, and if the law is 4 years old, it is hardly surprising that they have to pay VAT, now is it? Again, the bigger mystery is how and why you were allowed to be billed in USD for so long. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:30:01 - [112] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. Ummmm... Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ....
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:32:02 - [113] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. Ummmm... Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility .... The thing that doesn't measure subscriptions? Checking that wouldn't particularly help (or hinder) him. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:36:04 - [114] - Quote Tippia wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. Ummmm... Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility .... The thing that doesn't measure subscriptions? Checking that wouldn't particularly help (or hinder) him. It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too. Remember, it were actually much higher than 35K 6 months ago, as dropping numbers from recent months have dragged also last 6 months number down.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:42:54 - [115] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too. Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees. it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 19:46:09 - [116] - Quote Tippia wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too. Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees. it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why. Anyway, hink it still hints CCP gets less money from subscrptions. Think that-¦s the point behind all of this, that we dont say out loud.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 160	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:14:07 - [117] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. Ummmm... Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility .... Im referring to the RATE as in the money we are paying CCP... how long has it been $15 a month? yeah, from the beginning. so unless CCP's maintenance and operation cost didn't change for the past 10 yrs, subscription rate should have increased together with other products/commodities. so QQing about a SMALL increase is seems silly to me.... Just Add Water
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:25:12 - [118] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: just for perspective, eve's subscription rate hasn't been changed for a long time (so i've been told), just like any other product/company, it should have increased a loooooooooong time ago. Ummmm... Maybe you should check this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility .... Im referring to the RATE as in the money we are paying CCP... how long has it been $15 a month? yeah, from the beginning. so unless CCP's maintenance and operation cost didn't change for the past 10 yrs, subscription rate should have increased together with other products/commodities. so QQing about a SMALL increase is seems silly to me.... Ah ok. And well, I guess CCP uses that 15 dollar/euro amount as a basic value that they then base other currencies (obviously according to their purchasing power).
Paranoid Loyd 5745	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:30:16 - [119] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service." Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company. ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago I think you need to read it again, it does not say that there are new laws, it says they need to start charging for VAT, those are two different things. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:31:51 - [120] - Quote Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago That's not what it says in the message you posted in the OP, and if the law is 4 years old, it is hardly surprising that they have to pay VAT, now is it? Again, the bigger mystery is how and why you were allowed to be billed in USD for so long. get wrecked u **** OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ***** VAT change since 2011
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 160	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:33:44 - [121] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago That's not what it says in the message you posted in the OP, and if the law is 4 years old, it is hardly surprising that they have to pay VAT, now is it? Again, the bigger mystery is how and why you were allowed to be billed in USD for so long. get wrecked u **** OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ***** VAT change since 2011 #plsnopoor Can i haz your stuffz? Just Add Water
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:33:49 - [122] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: get wrecked u **** Learn to read, ****. Quote: OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ***** VAT change since 2011 No. That is not what the announcement says. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Paranoid Loyd 5745	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:40:00 - [123] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ******* VAT change since 2011 It does not say this. Read it again. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1885	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:40:14 - [124] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: It is clearly documented here (section 4.3), that "The supply of digital products, such as music or software via the Internet, is regarded as the supply of a service." Maybe this just changed maybe it didn't, the fact of the matter is you do need to pay VAT and CCP had not been previously charging you VAT, someone either demanded it from them, or the lawyers noticed this oversight and made a change to policy to protect the company. ccp claims that there is new laws going into effect now, what u are refering to is a low that was put into effect 4 years ago I think you need to read it again, it does not say that there are new laws, it says they need to start charging for VAT, those are two different things. Which kind of support the "they were not charging before but now actually will" theory...
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:41:14 - [125] - Quote Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: get wrecked u **** Learn to read, ****. [quote]OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ***** VAT change since 2011 No. That is not what the announcement says. [/quote hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread
Paranoid Loyd 5745	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:42:36 - [126] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: get wrecked u **** Learn to read, ****. [quote]OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ***** VAT change since 2011 No. That is not what the announcement says. [/quote hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread This has nothing to do with grammar, it's more of a reading comprehension issue, and it is only you not all Norwegians, nice try though. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1885	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:42:42 - [127] - Quote 0bama Barack *** wrote: Tippia wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too. Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees. it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why. Anyway, think it still hints CCP gets less money from subscriptions. Think that-¦s the point behind all of this, that we dont say out loud. So because they get loss money, they decided to charge more but to only 1 country? Sucks to live in Norway I guess... Who's taking bet on the next country?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1885	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:44:31 - [128] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread Yeah we make the thread about Norwegian grammar when the pasted text was more than likely written down by someone from Iceland. Makes sense...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:45:13 - [129] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: hehe ur a funny one. No. I'm just plain old right. You have repeatedly failed to read the announcement, and roughly everyone else have understood completely what it says by now. Thus: learn to read. Quote: read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread That's good advice, and you really should heed it. After all, you're the only one whose reading comprehension is subpar and who's suggested that Norwegians should be bashed for their grammar. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:51:10 - [130] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: Tippia wrote: 0bama Barack *** wrote: It does not count subscriptions, but 33% drop at online averages in 6 months, just as an example, give some hint about those too. Not if there has been changes in those 6 months that would change how many accounts the average player has running at a given time. Things like outlawing broadcasting software that simplifies the use of large alt fleets, reducing the viability of alt-required mechanics, and going on a couple of banning sprees. it gives a hint that fewer accounts are online. It doesn't really give any hint as to the reasons why. Anyway, think it still hints CCP gets less money from subscriptions. Think that-¦s the point behind all of this, that we dont say out loud. So because they get loss money, they decided to charge more but to only 1 country? Sucks to live in Norway I guess... Who's taking bet on the next country? I bet for 1 euro/dollar increase for EU/USA (to bring in "softer blow"), should be enough, even more than they could get out from Swiss 50% increase
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 160	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:55:31 - [131] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: get wrecked u **** Learn to read, ****. [quote]OP is stating they are now increasing the payments due to a vat change that got implimented now but there is no ***** VAT change since 2011 No. That is not what the announcement says. [/quote hehe ur a funny one... read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread Please train Reading Comprehension to V Just Add Water
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:57:04 - [132] - Quote Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: hehe ur a funny one. No. I'm just plain old right. You have repeatedly failed to read the announcement, and roughly everyone else have understood completely what it says by now. Thus: learn to read. Quote: read trough this before u start turning this into a bash on the norwegian for his grammer thread That's good advice, and you really should heed it. After all, you're the only one whose reading comprehension is subpar and who's suggested that Norwegians should be bashed for their grammar (which makes no sense whatsoever as others have already pointed out). when ccp writs to me in a mail stating there is new norwegian tax regulations fron july 2015 that is the cause then im wrong? if you read my later posts in this tread u would have seen that i referd to them stating this
Paranoid Loyd 5745	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:01:38 - [133] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: when ccp writs to me in a mail stating there is new norwegian tax regulations fron july 2015 that is the cause then im wrong? Can you please point out where in the OP it says this? It does not say anywhere in your OP anything about new Norwegian tax regulations. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:03:23 - [134] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: when ccp writs to me in a mail stating there is new norwegian tax regulations fron july 2015 that is the cause then im wrong? When that happens, should it ever happen, you will be right. Since that's not what has happened here, you are wrong. The announcement you've posted does not state what you want it to state. Quote: if you read my later posts in this tread u would have seen that i referd to them stating this GÇªand as you have amply demonstrated, what you say that they've said is distinctly separate and completely different from what they've actually said. All we have is the actual statement you've quoted (hopefully correctly). It does not state anything remotely like what you're claiming. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:04:06 - [135] - Quote never said it was in the op, but if u read my folowing posts as it unfold u can see it
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:08:09 - [136] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: never said it was in the op, but if u read my folowing posts as it unfold u can see it No. At no point do you offer any kind of communication from CCP that states anything like what you're suggesting. The closest you get is that you claim that they say this, but aside from that unproven claim, there is nothing to suggest that they actually did and a lot to suggest that you simply failed to understand what they actually said. But at least it's nice of you to admit that you were wrong about what it said in the OP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Paranoid Loyd 5745	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:12:59 - [137] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: never said it was in the op, but if u read my folowing posts as it unfold u can see it The only posted communication from CCP is in the OP so nice try but yes you did. Your (mis-)interpretation in any following posts is irrelevant. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:13:23 - [138] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year
Paranoid Loyd 5745	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:15:12 - [139] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year It could also imply that ponies are the cause, or that rainbows are the cause. What you think it implies is irrelevant. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:16:13 - [140] - Quote also not quoted anymore from ccp as its not allowed to paste responses to petition on this forum
Master Kent'sslave Unforeseen Consequences. Triumvirate. 17	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:17:01 - [141] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year It could also imply that ponies are the cause, or that rainbows are the cause. What you think it implies is irrelevant. well everything u say is irrelevant to so go back to watching ur ****
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25300	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:17:02 - [142] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year The fact that someone has (finally) realised that they should be paying VAT does not imply that the law has changed, only that they will start doing so starting ASAP. The notion that this is a change in the tax code is entirely your own invention. Again, the only mystery here is how you managed to get away with not paying it for four years and whether or not CCP now owes the Norwegian government a bundle in back taxes. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Paranoid Loyd 5746	Posted - 2015.06.10 21:18:52 - [143] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year It could also imply that ponies are the cause, or that rainbows are the cause. What you think it implies is irrelevant. well everything u say is irrelevant to so go back to watching ur **** I can do both. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Souxie Alduin Anarchy in the Eve 144	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:04:19 - [144] - Quote Master Kent'sslave wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: Billing changes for Norwegian players Hello, We would like to announce billing changes that will affect our Norwegian players as of July 1st. We will need to remit VAT to the Norwegian government as of July 1st. As such, we will need to change the billing currency of all Norwegian users to EUR. This change will come into effect at the start of July, and from this point onward all Norwegian users will be billed in EUR. Best Regards, EVE Online Customer Support undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year It could also imply that ponies are the cause, or that rainbows are the cause. What you think it implies is irrelevant. well everything u say is irrelevant to so go back to watching ur **** Dude, I'm annoyed by the price-hike too, but could you please stop making us all look like complete tools?
Paranoid Loyd 5751	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:10:05 - [145] - Quote Souxie Alduin wrote: Dude, I'm annoyed by the price-hike too, but could you please stop making us all look like complete tools? While I do agree with your sentiment, only an idiot would think this ranting fool represents the vast majority of Norwegians. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Thuul'Khalat Phoenix Wing Suddenly Spaceships. 15	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:13:50 - [146] - Quote Tippia wrote: Master Kent'sslave wrote: undelined text implies aswell that that its something that norwegian gverment is imposing on them from july this year The fact that someone has (finally) realised that they should be paying VAT Except CCPs cookie-cutter reply to "Hey, why do you charge the same price in EUR as you do in USD considering 1 EUR is worth 20% more than 1 USD" has always been...."Uuumm...well....because.... VAT" Phoenix Wing is recruiting a handfull skilled pilots for Null/LowSec PVP!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5786	Posted - 2015.06.10 22:16:39 - [147] - Quote Well this escalated quickly. Quote: Forum rules 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 23. Post constructively. Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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