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Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:33:31 -
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http://evenews24.com/2015/06/12/submission-the-story-behind-a-succesfull-100bil-scam/
That story is as sad as the Bonus Room Harassement.
Read and listen. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
192
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:50:00 -
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E veonline.com did just get a new facelift and has high sec savior and holy white knight himself Riptard Teg on it and has a quote from him.
I hope he can get these evil people jn trouble again and save us all again!!
Jester you are our only hope! |
Big Lynx
2714
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:03:23 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:E veonline.com did just get a new facelift and has high sec savior and holy white knight himself Riptard Teg on it and has a quote from him.
I hope he can get these evil people jn trouble again and save us all again!!
Jester you are our only hope!
hoping it too. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1160
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:06:43 -
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I love this ****, Need to check this out later today, erotica 1 soundcloud scams are my alltime favourites (last year that guy who started scraming so loud)... this is pure evil
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
393
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:10:35 -
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A excellently executed scam, fully allowed within the EULA of EvE online. Well done! |
Stacy Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:12:43 -
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While I despise what Erotica1 did and the whole bonus room thing, this doesn't even come close to it.
Do I feel sorry for the guy? I'm having trouble with that. Everyone knows that EVE is a harsh place full of scammers and such. The amount of naivity and stupidity shown by the victim is truly astonishing. He should've known better. You don#t give that kind of cash away to people you don't know and can't trust. You wouldn't do that IRL, so why does anyone think it is a good idea ingame? It against common sense.
So yeah, sorry, but this is his own fault. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
13390
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:15:12 -
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Could've had a V8, I mean, should have used Chribba.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1160
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:16:49 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:E veonline.com did just get a new facelift and has high sec savior and holy white knight himself Riptard Teg on it and has a quote from him.
I hope he can get these evil people jn trouble again and save us all again!!
Jester you are our only hope!
Jester is a hypocrite, if you cant smell that you are lost in this world
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10036
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:19:10 -
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Bravo, fabulous work.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
233
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:20:33 -
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Very sensetive topic tbh, i can't even read the whole story. The way it was represented is confusing me. looks like eve24 loosing it's popularity with only posting silly reports of null sec fights along with SC kills and be a pro-PL oriented source of info.
This scammed guy, did he deserve it? have to say Yes with only one exception, it is only possible due to his nature "kind and open" person in regard of any individuals he interacted. Otherwise he came a full ****** who didn't learn what Eve is. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
373
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:29:03 -
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Scam sure, Erotica1 level it isnt. So nothing to sensationalize there imo.
As much as I dont like the scamming aspects of Eve the guy pretty much handed it over in the hopes of glorious riches. Its one of the things Ive struggled with over the years tbh. That fine line between being a true douche and giggling at peoples stupidity. But yeah giving up full API keys is what did that poor fool in.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10038
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:40:55 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Scam sure, Erotica1 level it isnt. So nothing to sensationalize there imo.
As much as I dont like the scamming aspects of Eve the guy pretty much handed it over in the hopes of glorious riches. Its one of the things Ive struggled with over the years tbh. That fine line between being a true douche and giggling at peoples stupidity. But yeah giving up full API keys is what did that poor fool in.
Yeah,the recordings aren't of some poor (gullible and naive as he was ) guy in distress with compounding psychological pressure being applied.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
740
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:40:58 -
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Well executed scam.
Seriously, if you trust people you just met with a hundred billion ISK, and no way to validate what they're telling you, you're misunderstanding the nature of this game.
I trust Chribba. Everyone else, including my own alts, is suspect.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
193
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:14:10 -
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I like the part where dude said he was petitioning ccp to get some isk reimbursement.
How can a dude play for YEARS amass over 100BILL and still still STILL not understand this is legal/allowed?
Its kind of telling if you think about it.
Also he kind of deserved it for listening to Rap music.
Dont he know bout them gangstas? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11356
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:24:18 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
How can a dude play for YEARS amass over 100BILL and still still STILL not understand this is legal/allowed?
EVE is a game played by humans, humans are oddly susceptible to scams.Quote:FINRA's fraud susceptibility research reveals some surprising facts. For example, the more educated and wealthier you are, the more likely you are to invest in a potentially fraudulent scheme. And men, because they are generally less risk averse, are more vulnerable than women.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
399
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:27:46 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I like the part where dude said he was petitioning ccp to get some isk reimbursement.
How can a dude play for YEARS amass over 100BILL and still still STILL not understand this is legal/allowed?
Its kind of telling if you think about it.
Also he kind of deserved it for listening to Rap music.
Dont he know bout them gangstas?
Why do you post two completely opposite opinions in one topic? Please go away.
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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
280
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:37:10 -
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Good read. Not sure what solo miners need all that ISK for anyway. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11356
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:38:59 -
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Hey look, a dude trying to "Pull a Ripard" in an attempt to meta-game away people he doesn't like in a video game. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
13394
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:48:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hey look, a dude trying to "Pull a Ripard" in an attempt to meta-game away people he doesn't like in a video game.
Alternative hypothesis. Killboard padding, scammer style. 
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
36
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:34:37 -
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This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...
The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably made him leave the game...or if not made him unable to trust anyone in game again... Pretty unfair |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16150
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:42:36 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...
No difference between 1 isk and a trillion.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25326
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:48:48 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse... How is it unfair? How is it any more ridiculous just because the sum is higher? Why is it worse because they used TS?
In short, why should anyone feel ashamed for stealing and robbing in a game where theft and robbery are legal moves GÇö common legal moves, at that?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11359
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:53:18 -
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Tippia wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse... How is it unfair? How is it any more ridiculous just because the sum is higher? Why is it worse because they used TS? In short, why should anyone feel ashamed for stealing and robbing in a game where theft and robbery are legal moves GÇö common legal moves, at that?
Nonsense.
It's like when I play Grand Theft Auto. I know it's alright to slap 2 Hoes, but that 3rd Hoe slap is morally indefensible! |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
895
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:56:01 -
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Never appreciated nor cultivated dishonest ppl and liars around my self thru out my life.vid game just make it a bit more cowardly,easier.
Hard to give kudos that way guy did it to him self for most part. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10040
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:04:24 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse...
The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably made him leave the game...or if not made him unable to trust anyone in game again... Pretty unfair
on the contrary, real work went into this,
it required a clear skill set, protracted and thorough deception involving multiple people including the hijacking of an already established player corp and growing it to 80+ members.
they used a clearly evident skill set to do a job they were asked to do,
they deserved to get payd and i never say this about scams normally but they should be proud of their work
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21854
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:32:56 -
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I loving the poor attempts at manufacturing Ripardesque rage over this.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Big Lynx
2715
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:39:23 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I loving the poor attempts at manufacturing Ripardesque rage over this.
ye, I tried... vOv |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
456
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:46:58 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:This is a pretty ****** move... the guys that did this should feel ashamed.... scamming isnt all that bad but its also usually for a few 100m this is ridiculous.... completely unfair even in eve... also using teamspeak and things to decieve this poor guy is even worse... How is it unfair? How is it any more ridiculous just because the sum is higher? Why is it worse because they used TS? In short, why should anyone feel ashamed for stealing and robbing in a game where theft and robbery are legal moves GÇö common legal moves, at that? Nonsense. It's like when I play Grand Theft Auto. I know it's alright to slap 2 Hoes, but that 3rd Hoe slap is morally indefensible! 
ell oh ell.
Anyway - how many people got interested in EVE after reading about the Guiding Hand Social Club heist? Isn't that just such a great story? All the things you can do in this game!
Then they sign up and find they are in fact a part of this very story. Yay! Except - it's not the Club's part...
+1 to scammers. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1919
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:13:45 -
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I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38052
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:22:22 -
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I'd rather rage over having to go to evenews24 to read that.
That's some out of game abuse right there.
The scam? Nothing wrong with what happened.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
13396
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:28:19 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay?
In my professional opinion as an amateur internet psychologist, I'd say you're just fine.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10042
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:35:55 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay? In my professional opinion as an amateur internet psychologist, I'd say you're just fine.
i second my esteemed colleague, however i have noticed a distinct and alarming coherence to your post....a sobriety even
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Stacy Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:56:59 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably made him leave the game...or if not made him unable to trust anyone in game again... Pretty unfair
But that is the point, isn't it? You can not trust anyone in this game. And if you do, it bites you in the ass. That is more or less what I learned in the game from day one. If he hasn't learned it yet and still made 100B, kudos to him, but also shame on him, about time he learned that part about EVE.
It is common sense to be careful. He wasn't. It came back to him and bit him in the ass.
Scamming isn't my style of gameplay, in fact I have a very low opinion of people who do it (I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl), but this is entirely hs own fault. You should never give up that kind of cash to someone you barely know, and definitely under those circumstances.
(Having that kind of cash on your main toon and not hidden on alts and giving away his API is another stupid mistake) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6697
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:03:41 -
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How someone gets far enough to get that much ISK and now know about scams is strange to me.
I also recall there is a thread all about why players stay in NPC corps or 1-man corps. This would be why.
If you think scamming is "good", then you have to take the bad with the good, the bad being that people will stay in NPC corps and/or highsec and not even respond to a convo.
I'm not calling for an end to scamming. I'm calling for players with a sense of entitlement to start seeing that actions have consequences. Scamming, AWOXing, etc. have those consequences often complained about by the same people touting "sandbox" and "social game" all of the time.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Moth Eisig
96
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:14:47 -
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That's a smidge better RoI than 9 months for a Rorqual. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
4023
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:38:32 -
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Stacy Lone wrote:(I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl) Humans are mostly horrible creatures, nothing new there.
Though apparently certain types of 'boundaries' can make things even worse!
Anyway, I'd bet the scammers in that story are fairly decent people IRL.
We shouldn't worry about them, we should worry about poor Elias IRL! EVE is a cold harsh universe, but RL is the real deal. I can only hope that losing a couple billion of pixel currency because of extreme naivety will teach him to be a tad more careful with the real cash.
EVE is educational, who would've known?
Make space glamorous!
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
239
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:44:22 -
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nope
this does not compare to that why erotica1 got his righfully earned ban for.
scamming one naive guy is not a big deal.
scamming corps or alliances like the imperium would be spectecular, but this?
pffffff
100 bill?
that was one naive guy.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
239
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:46:49 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:(I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl) Humans are mostly horrible creatures, nothing new there. Though apparently certain types of 'boundaries' can make things even worse!Anyway, I'd bet the scammers in that story are fairly decent people IRL. We shouldn't worry about them, we should worry about poor Elias IRL! EVE is a cold harsh universe, but RL is the real deal. I can only hope that losing a couple billion of pixel currency because of extreme naivety will teach him to be a tad more careful with the real cash. EVE is educational, who would've known?
No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
4023
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:51:31 -
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La Rynx wrote:No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now. Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now.
Are you Elias? Same naivety.
Make space glamorous!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11367
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:59:02 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:La Rynx wrote:No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now. Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now. Are you Elias? Same naivety.
This is why I talk about false perception. One of the things that fuels false perceptions is lack of context. People that exist now didn't exist in the past when things were really bad, so they believe that what's going on now is terrible.
Truth is this is the most peaceful time in all of human history, and it's getting even more peaceful (and prosperous) with each passing day. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
4024
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:02:26 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:La Rynx wrote:No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now. Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now. Are you Elias? Same naivety. This is why I talk about false perception. One of the things that fuels false perceptions is lack of context. People that exist now didn't exist in the past when things were really bad, so they believe that what's going on now is terrible. Truth is this is the most peaceful time in all of human history, and it's getting even more peaceful ( and prosperous) with each passing day. Aye and that's a damn good thing.
But I don't think it's becuase we're nicer dudes. It's just that nowadays the strong can convince the weak to work for them much more efficiently, using TV ads instead of beating them senseless with a club.
Make space glamorous!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21857
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:07:39 -
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Anyone else starting to think that the percentage of Eve players with 'victim compexes' is much much higher than the percentage of us 'sociopaths/psychopaths/rustlers/cut throats/murderers/bounty hunters/desperados/mugs/pugs/thugs/nitwits/halfwits/dimwits/vipers/snipers/con men/Indian agents/Mexican bandits/muggers/buggerers/bushwhackers/hornswogglers/horse thieves/bull *****/train robbers/bank robbers/ass-kickers/****-kickers and Methodists' ?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
239
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:10:18 -
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exactly!
if most people would be horrible civilisation would not have reached the standards of the antiques, nor the middle ages.
cooperaition of many do catch up the effects of those horrible ppl.
our times might still lack, however consider things live the live expectancy today against earlier times.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
239
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:11:33 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:La Rynx wrote:No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now. Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now. Are you Elias? Same naivety. This is why I talk about false perception. One of the things that fuels false perceptions is lack of context. People that exist now didn't exist in the past when things were really bad, so they believe that what's going on now is terrible. Truth is this is the most peaceful time in all of human history, and it's getting even more peaceful ( and prosperous) with each passing day. Aye and that's a damn good thing. But I don't think it's becuase we're nicer dudes. It's just that nowadays the strong can convince the weak to work for them much more efficiently, using TV ads instead of beating them senseless with a club.
i am not talking of nice, i am talking of cooperation to maximize your own benefits.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Jaclyn Hayes
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:12:29 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone else starting to think that the percentage of Eve players with 'victim compexes' is much much higher than the percentage of us 'sociopaths/psychopaths/rustlers/cut throats/murderers/bounty hunters/desperados/mugs/pugs/thugs/nitwits/halfwits/dimwits/vipers/snipers/con men/Indian agents/Mexican bandits/muggers/buggerers/bushwhackers/hornswogglers/horse thieves/bull *****/train robbers/bank robbers/ass-kickers/****-kickers and Methodists' ?
New generation. |
Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
167
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:16:56 -
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This clickbait is worse than buzzfeed |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
4024
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:25:39 -
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La Rynx wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:La Rynx wrote:No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now. Yes, civilisation is in an awesome place now. Are you Elias? Same naivety. This is why I talk about false perception. One of the things that fuels false perceptions is lack of context. People that exist now didn't exist in the past when things were really bad, so they believe that what's going on now is terrible. Truth is this is the most peaceful time in all of human history, and it's getting even more peaceful ( and prosperous) with each passing day. Aye and that's a damn good thing. But I don't think it's becuase we're nicer dudes. It's just that nowadays the strong can convince the weak to work for them much more efficiently, using TV ads instead of beating them senseless with a club. i am not talking of nice, i am talking of cooperation to maximize your own benefits. Meh, these dudes seemed promising, but probably because they were cheating.
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Marsha Mallow
2218
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:30:02 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone else starting to think that the percentage of Eve players with 'victim compexes' is much much higher than the percentage of us 'sociopaths/psychopaths/rustlers/cut throats/murderers/bounty hunters/desperados/mugs/pugs/thugs/nitwits/halfwits/dimwits/vipers/snipers/con men/Indian agents/Mexican bandits/muggers/buggerers/bushwhackers/hornswogglers/horse thieves/bull *****/train robbers/bank robbers/ass-kickers/****-kickers and Methodists' ?
Tbf we are all violently persecuted by CCP. Some of us enjoy it more than others though.
Only listened to part of the second clip and I heard the guy going 'guys, I'm starting to feel like a mark here.' Down to his last 10b and he's just starting to get uneasy?
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:18:39 -
[49] - Quote
Stacy Lone wrote:While I despise what Erotica1 did and the whole bonus room thing, this doesn't even come close to it. Do I feel sorry for the guy? I'm having trouble with that. Everyone knows that EVE is a harsh place full of scammers and such. The amount of naivity and stupidity shown by the victim is truly astonishing. He should've known better. You don#t give that kind of cash away to people you don't know and can't trust. You wouldn't do that IRL, so why does anyone think it is a good idea ingame? It against common sense. So yeah, sorry, but this is his own fault.
Paranoia is your best friend in this game. I safeguard everything I own and every single ISK in as many ways as I can.
Case in point:
The very fact that people don't ignore 99.9% of the messages people put on local in a heavy-traffic market system is a sign that Darwinism is not working in their favor. Yet I still see people fall for these trade scams posted in local every second day. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6697
|
Posted - 2015.06.12 20:20:56 -
[50] - Quote
Jaclyn Hayes wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone else starting to think that the percentage of Eve players with 'victim compexes' is much much higher than the percentage of us 'sociopaths/psychopaths/rustlers/cut throats/murderers/bounty hunters/desperados/mugs/pugs/thugs/nitwits/halfwits/dimwits/vipers/snipers/con men/Indian agents/Mexican bandits/muggers/buggerers/bushwhackers/hornswogglers/horse thieves/bull *****/train robbers/bank robbers/ass-kickers/****-kickers and Methodists' ?
New generation.
As a reflection on the RL population. Very possibly so.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2300
|
Posted - 2015.06.12 20:20:59 -
[51] - Quote
That guy must have been drunk for like a month, how and at what point could anyone possibly think that any of this is a good idea? |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
1545
|
Posted - 2015.06.12 20:48:50 -
[52] - Quote
Stacy Lone wrote:(I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl)
The typical EVE player is a 30 year old white male of above average intellect working in the engineering or IT fields; possibly the most benign, harmless, bourgeois specimen any human society has ever produced. The chance of them ever acting like they do in EVE is...minute... |
Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
49
|
Posted - 2015.06.12 21:00:21 -
[53] - Quote
Kiandoshia wrote:That guy must have been drunk for like a month, how and at what point could anyone possibly think that any of this is a good idea?
Its simple when spelled out...
He's a D-U-M-B-A-S-S  |
OP is Hupocrite
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2015.06.12 23:25:20 -
[54] - Quote
that is funny from someone who social engineers people out trillions of isk
how much did u pay for those emergency stratios you scam from blink? |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1928
|
Posted - 2015.06.12 23:56:33 -
[55] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I tried to feel something for the victims.
The best I could manage was aroused.
Am I okay? In my professional opinion as an amateur internet psychologist, I'd say you're just fine. i second my esteemed colleague, however i have noticed a distinct and alarming coherence to your post....a sobriety even
Ha! I must be getting better at faking it then, as I was very very tanked when that was written.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
239
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 00:44:19 -
[56] - Quote
Again? Put this in the dead horse file.
I survived Win95
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
778
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 02:50:14 -
[57] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone else starting to think that the percentage of Eve players with 'victim compexes' is much much higher than the percentage of us 'sociopaths/psychopaths...
Yes, go take a look at the general feedback thread for the Carnyx release. Lots of whining, ultimatums being tossed around, lengthy diatribes posted every other page... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38058
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 03:31:57 -
[58] - Quote
Brutus Utama wrote:The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably... ...made him unable to trust anyone in game again...
He learnt a good lesson then.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
165
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 03:59:46 -
[59] - Quote
Stacy Lone wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:The guy was genuinely trying to help out the corp and you guys probably made him leave the game...or if not made him unable to trust anyone in game again... Pretty unfair But that is the point, isn't it? You can not trust anyone in this game. And if you do, it bites you in the ass. That is more or less what I learned in the game from day one. If he hasn't learned it yet and still made 100B, kudos to him, but also shame on him, about time he learned that part about EVE. It is common sense to be careful. He wasn't. It came back to him and bit him in the ass. ... (Having that kind of cash on your main toon and not hidden on alts and giving away his API is another stupid mistake)
Ultimately trusting someone he didn't know IRL with that ISKl was entirely his error.
On the issue of having those assets on his main and submitting full APIs...
Well, I know I've seen posts in recent threads stating we should be willing to give full APIs (Trust us!) to corps we're applying to.
Clearly there is a major difference of opinion here amongst the forumites on that matter. 
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vccv
40
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 04:37:27 -
[60] - Quote
Where is the "out of the sandbox" part?
As unfortunate as it is for him, its still content. It was a 100b theft. Congrats, condolences, play on.
And honestly, there have been far larger heists in the past. If anything I feel this is all blown out of proportion because of the people involved and it being written up as a newsworthy article when I personally feel it borders on being just another average theft among so many others in progress as we speak. Where is the article and outrage over a certain 600bil heist not a few months back? Call me cold but I dont see what the big deal is here. Thanks for the link though, it was something to read other than the usual cap derps. |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
178
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 04:41:09 -
[61] - Quote
100 bil? I can't fathom that much isk.
Selling a Silver Magnate for 1 trillion isk. No less.
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Dalto Bane
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
162
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 09:14:39 -
[62] - Quote
I applaud the scammers and this type of gameplay should always remain apart of Eve, however I do feel bad for the mark.
That sympathy only goes so far though. Any player who has accumulated +100bil "should" know better.
The recording and public shaming of the character was in poor taste IMO..
Drops Mic
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Le Moineau
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
53
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 10:26:49 -
[63] - Quote
This is why I love this game so much. EVE spotlights stupidity with extreme prejudice.
That being said, I have made a few mistakes that cost me isk. I learned and moved on, no big deal.
I knew on approach that EVE was in a class of its own when I first started playing. The warnings were everywhere.
Do I feel sorry for the victim? Not a bit!
You got punked dumb---, you should have known better. |
Lucy Lopez
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 11:15:50 -
[64] - Quote
Maybe I'm just not the 'right' type of player for EVE Online, but I get no enjoyment or satisfaction at all from listening to these Teamspeak conversations of people getting screwed over. Grats, you scammed someone, but do you have to be a **** about it? I bet the guys who pulled this off would say "it's just a game" etc etc, but when you record Teamspeak conversations and upload them to Soundcloud for people to laugh at you're taking things way more serious than people who actually think of EVE as "just a game". |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1936
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 12:58:19 -
[65] - Quote
Lucy Lopez wrote:Maybe I'm just not the 'right' type of player for EVE Online, but I get no enjoyment or satisfaction at all from listening to these Teamspeak conversations of people getting screwed over. Grats, you scammed someone, but do you have to be a **** about it? I bet the guys who pulled this off would say "it's just a game" etc etc, but when you record Teamspeak conversations and upload them to Soundcloud for people to laugh at you're taking things way more serious than people who actually think of EVE as "just a game".
Actually, most of the baddies posting in here are of a relatively shared opinion on the matter. It was a great scam, nice payoff, well done. The recordings and the video however were in poor taste.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
1546
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 13:07:18 -
[66] - Quote
I have written Boutros Boutros Ghali for this brazen violation of international statues against torture. |
Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
49
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 13:21:14 -
[67] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:I have written Boutros Boutros Ghali for this brazen violation of international statues against torture.
Made me laugh |
Solecist Punk
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
339
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 16:12:29 -
[68] - Quote
Hi Jerry/Quaker/Gerry !
Of course I petitioned your candy ass again for evading the permaban.
Not even talking about the chatlog!
Bye bye! |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
212
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 16:20:56 -
[69] - Quote
Solecist Punk wrote:Hi Jerry/Quaker/Gerry !
Of course I petitioned your candy ass again for evading the permaban.
Not even talking about the chatlog!
Bye bye!
You sound jelly. |
TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet
The Scope
Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 20:02:20 -
[70] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:I have written Boutros Boutros Ghali for this brazen violation of international statues against torture.
I know Boutros Boutros Ghali. He is a good man. I can tell you are a man who is interested in justice, and the truth.
Bless you. |
Gerry Rin
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1
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Posted - 2015.06.13 20:12:59 -
[71] - Quote
Solecist Punk wrote:Hi Jerry/Quaker/Gerry !
Of course I petitioned your candy ass again for evading the permaban.
Not even talking about the chatlog!
Bye bye!
I have no recollection of the events in question. |
Alana Charen-Teng
Vatlaa Corporation
591
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 21:37:15 -
[72] - Quote
Wow, thoroughly enjoyed reading the article.
The corporation Yellow Duck Consortium sounded vaguely familiar, but now it all came back to me. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2301
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 21:40:35 -
[73] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I like the part where dude said he was petitioning ccp to get some isk reimbursement.
How can a dude play for YEARS amass over 100BILL and still still STILL not understand this is legal/allowed?
Its kind of telling if you think about it.
Also he kind of deserved it for listening to Rap music.
Dont he know bout them gangstas?
Idk how long it took him but I guess if you just do nothing but incursions, you can pull it off in a month or two and leave you entirely oblivious to the kind of wealth you have just generated =p |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
402
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 23:23:25 -
[74] - Quote
Stacy Lone wrote:I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl),
How do you feel about actors playing a role?
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
402
|
Posted - 2015.06.13 23:25:37 -
[75] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:
No, if most humans would be horrible, civilisation would not be where it is now.
What???? Do you even watch the news dude?
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Kurisa Ongrard
Yellow Duck Consortium
3
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Posted - 2015.06.13 23:27:58 -
[76] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I like the part where dude said he was petitioning ccp to get some isk reimbursement.
How can a dude play for YEARS amass over 100BILL and still still STILL not understand this is legal/allowed?
Its kind of telling if you think about it.
Also he kind of deserved it for listening to Rap music.
Dont he know bout them gangstas?
It's hard to overstate just how oblivious Elias was in general. When we first met him he literally had no idea how much he was worth. You'll notice if you look at the final asset plotter graph that Elias' assets more or less didn't change until after he paid 20 billion for the 3rd Wyvern. At that point he had spent the remainder of his liquid ISK. When we initiated 'Part 3' of the scam where we got him to buy into modules and supplies for the corporation to move out to 0.0 he initially resisted contributing because he believed he was broke. Tweeps actually had to walk the guy through his assets using his API, ie. "OK Elias, it looks like you have a stack of 10 plex in this station on this character... how about you sell that?" and so on. It was amazing to me that a person could simply forget that 54% of their original net worth even existed. |
lost packet
GamCorp
Almost Broken
52
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Posted - 2015.06.13 23:50:43 -
[77] - Quote
While scamming is scamming and a legit form of game play.
If the guy had say bought timecodes and traded them in for isk, does that now make it a better heist or sad for the guy? 100+ bil isk to scam someone out of is a pretty cool scam and the work and effort that went in to the actual heist wa sprobably ingenious.
If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P).
if it happened to me, I'd have to sell the wife, possibly the kids too. Hardest part would probably be finding a buyer, i'm not that sentimental about the wife and kids - they generally get in the way of EVE playtime. Still can't help feeling for the guy.
Almost Broken corporation and pilot recruitment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=427393
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
241
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 08:43:42 -
[78] - Quote
Well the "victim" was out of touch.
Throwning away 100Bill like that is far to naive.
It seems he did not value this amount as much i would expect.
Maybe i am some kind of "Gray Knight", i can not feel sorry for him, despite the amount of his loses.
Still, i do not think this as a big or special Job, since the victim mad it all to easy.
Nothing to boast about.
Oh and what does this thread in GD?
It belongs to C&P where the wannabe / mini criminals can pat on their shoulders and tell them self how great they are.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
Forum Main
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Robyn Hoodlum
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
28
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 09:39:06 -
[79] - Quote
In no way, shape or form is this anything like what Erotica did. Posting the audio in my opinion was not classy, but everything that happened is within the scope of the game. The only difference between this and other scams that noone has a problem with is the size of ISK liberated. |
Oxide Ammar
206
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 10:09:18 -
[80] - Quote
..and people are wondering why subscribers numbers are getting low, please keep EVE online reputation at this level more.
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1695
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 11:10:22 -
[81] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl), How do you feel about actors playing a role?
they get paid for it
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Renegade Heart
Micro N2
426
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Posted - 2015.06.14 11:31:56 -
[82] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:they get paid for it
So did these dudes.
The Article wrote:... Our group, Space Neocons, was approached by a client one fine day from the incursion running community. This individual, motives known only to him, had a particular grudge against Elias.
Then at the end....
The Article wrote:... Once results were delivered the client was of course thrilled with our success and completed his healthy service fee.
GJ on the scam  |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38097
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 11:32:16 -
[83] - Quote
lost packet wrote:If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P).
I seem to remember some discussion on this before but can't find it, so I might be making his up and thinking it's something I recall.
In any case, my recollection was that if someone buys PLEX, sells it for ISK and is then scammed out of the ISK, bad luck. Fools and their ISK are soon parted.
However if he was being scammed and had to buy PLEX to cover ISK as part of the scam, then the scammer has stepped across a line. So if the guy said "I don't have that ISK, I'll have to buy a PLEX to raise it" and the scammer says "Ok", then it would be reimbursed and the scammer banned.
But I can't find where it was discussed, so it could be a totally fictitious memory.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Big Lynx
2721
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 11:42:11 -
[84] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:lost packet wrote:If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P). I seem to remember some discussion on this before but can't find it, so I might be making his up and thinking it's something I recall. However if he was being scammed and had to buy PLEX to cover ISK as part of the scam, then the scammer has stepped across a line. So if the guy said "I don't have that ISK, I'll have to buy a PLEX to raise it" and the scammer says "Ok", then it would be reimbursed and the scammer banned. But I can't find where it was discussed, so it could be a totally fictitious memory.
That was one of my initial thoughts. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
13437
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 11:56:34 -
[85] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:
In any case, my recollection was that if someone buys PLEX, sells it for ISK and is then scammed out of the ISK, bad luck. Fools and their ISK are soon parted.
Entirely correct. Unless coached to buy the plex by the scammer. The rules for plex are pretty simple. In the vast majority of cases, once you buy the plex, your money is gone, and the transaction entitles you to an ingame item, which you then receive to do with as you please, for good or ill.
Let the buyer beware.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
524
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 12:11:24 -
[86] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:(I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl) The typical EVE player is a 30 year old male of above average intellect working in the engineering or IT fields; possibly the most benign, harmless, bourgeois specimen any human society has ever produced. I'd say the chance of them ever acting like they do in EVE is...minute...boundaries or not.
It's the water.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
193
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 12:32:44 -
[87] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:lost packet wrote:If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P). I seem to remember some discussion on this before but can't find it, so I might be making his up and thinking it's something I recall. In any case, my recollection was that if someone buys PLEX, sells it for ISK and is then scammed out of the ISK, bad luck. Fools and their ISK are soon parted. However if he was being scammed and had to buy PLEX to cover ISK as part of the scam, then the scammer has stepped across a line. So if the guy said "I don't have that ISK, I'll have to buy a PLEX to raise it" and the scammer says "Ok", then it would be reimbursed and the scammer banned. But I can't find where it was discussed, so it could be a totally fictitious memory.
WRONG!
If dude says "dont have isk need to buy plex to raise it" then scammer says "ok"
LEGAL LEGIT
If dude says "dont have isk" then scammer says "you should get your credit card and buy some plex"
Illegal Not-legit.
See the difference? ?
If its the idiots own idea then its his own idiotic idea.
You just cant CONVINCE the idiot to spend his childrens lunch money and wifes gas allotment on plex... if he thinks of doing that and thinks its a good idea on his own....
LEGAL (also dude is a total loser and will prob lose his family soon as well as his isk and RL assets) |
Lulu Lunette
Custodes Olim
United Systems of Aridia
32
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Posted - 2015.06.14 12:39:08 -
[88] - Quote
Eve, the deadliest game.
@lunettelulu7
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1177
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Posted - 2015.06.14 13:03:49 -
[89] - Quote
so I'm just into the first soundcloud, I have to say, the people executing this scam are really dangerous, on the other hand I think its good that they post it, to assure honest people see what can happen if you just think everybody is honest as well... some education is missing here in western civilication, erotica 1 and his friends are teaching me a good lesson here, something I was not teached that way by others...they sure do something bad here however by showing it they somehow prevent it to happen to many more victims... maybe one got scammed but by listening to this, maybe 10 or 100 will not get scammed
YouTube
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Big Lynx
2723
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Posted - 2015.06.14 13:09:59 -
[90] - Quote
Lel, just got some evenews for you:
Hi all,
Confirming that I was permanently banned as of today:
User EVE-SSO-CONNECTION is banned pending investigation
Last login: 2015.06.10 22:34
Number of visits: 204
Reason: EULA Violation
I was one of the directors in the Yellow Ducks Consortium (Kaalatas Nebunaesa) that took part in this heist, and now I am banned I guess? Thanks CCP. I thought scamming was legal. I guess not? Well, it was fun EVE, but another game needs me and my heroism!
Love,
Kaalatas Nebunaesa
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
410
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 13:52:12 -
[91] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl), How do you feel about actors playing a role? they get paid for it
And how is that relevant? |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
410
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 13:54:15 -
[92] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
(also dude is a total loser and will prob lose his family soon as well as his isk and RL assets)
There really isn't a single sane cell in your brain, is there?
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Martin Corwin
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
29
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:15:59 -
[93] - Quote
Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2303
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 14:21:31 -
[94] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you:
Hi all,
Confirming that I was permanently banned as of today:
User EVE-SSO-CONNECTION is banned pending investigation
Last login: 2015.06.10 22:34
Number of visits: 204
Reason: EULA Violation
I was one of the directors in the Yellow Ducks Consortium (Kaalatas Nebunaesa) that took part in this heist, and now I am banned I guess? Thanks CCP. I thought scamming was legal. I guess not? Well, it was fun EVE, but another game needs me and my heroism!
Love,
Kaalatas Nebunaesa
Yay, CCP teaching modesty, with a stick! |
Kurisa Ongrard
Yellow Duck Consortium
4
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:38:14 -
[95] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Yay, CCP teaching modesty, with a stick!
Have no fear friends, scamming as we have done is perfectly legitimate. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
193
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 14:40:18 -
[96] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
(also dude is a total loser and will prob lose his family soon as well as his isk and RL assets)
There really isn't a single sane cell in your brain, is there?
I said that if he chose to use his childrens lunch money and wifes gas allotment to buy plex.
Read the sentence befote dude.
If he does those, then i think he would be a loser and lose them.
You dont?? |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
193
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 14:41:20 -
[97] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you:
Hi all,
Confirming that I was permanently banned as of today:
User EVE-SSO-CONNECTION is banned pending investigation
Last login: 2015.06.10 22:34
Number of visits: 204
Reason: EULA Violation
I was one of the directors in the Yellow Ducks Consortium (Kaalatas Nebunaesa) that took part in this heist, and now I am banned I guess? Thanks CCP. I thought scamming was legal. I guess not? Well, it was fun EVE, but another game needs me and my heroism!
Love,
Kaalatas Nebunaesa
Ccp investigate before you suspend people accounts? ?
What a marvel idea.... |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
193
|
Posted - 2015.06.14 14:43:26 -
[98] - Quote
Martin Corwin wrote:Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP.
Thats not against the EULA though though. ...
Brb im posting what you just said on reddit for all to read and mock |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
568
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Jenn aSide wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
How can a dude play for YEARS amass over 100BILL and still still STILL not understand this is legal/allowed?
EVE is a game played by humans, humans are oddly susceptible to scams.Quote:FINRA's fraud susceptibility research reveals some surprising facts. For example, the more educated and wealthier you are, the more likely you are to invest in a potentially fraudulent scheme. And men, because they are generally less risk averse, are more vulnerable than women.
Any investor can tell you that 33% success rate on investments is a good ratio.
Most fail.
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Martin Corwin
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
29
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:57:42 -
[100] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP. Thats not against the EULA though though. ... Brb im posting what you just said on reddit for all to read and mock
Personality rights, esp. privacy rights, are a thing. Some civilized countries actually have laws that implement these rights. |
Domena Opazovanja
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.06.14 15:26:51 -
[101] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you:
Hi all,
Confirming that I was permanently banned as of today:
User EVE-SSO-CONNECTION is banned pending investigation
Last login: 2015.06.10 22:34
Number of visits: 204
Reason: EULA Violation
I was one of the directors in the Yellow Ducks Consortium (Kaalatas Nebunaesa) that took part in this heist, and now I am banned I guess? Thanks CCP. I thought scamming was legal. I guess not? Well, it was fun EVE, but another game needs me and my heroism!
Love,
Kaalatas Nebunaesa
Is that one the alt of Jerry Rin ? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Blood GorgonsS
960
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Posted - 2015.06.14 15:57:16 -
[102] - Quote
My one and only issue is the posting of the audio recording. thats jsut poor taste. It's one thing to scam and get the isk and post the typed in game tears but the recording of the audio on teamspeak and posting it as a ridicule of this 'person' and not simply the player takes it too out of game for 'My' tastes. +1 on the Scam -1 on the presentation
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2303
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:23:05 -
[103] - Quote
Kurisa Ongrard wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you: Kiandoshia wrote:
Yay, CCP teaching modesty, with a stick!
Have no fear friends, scamming as we have done is perfectly legitimate.
Oh yeah, it's legit. If you hadn't told anybody about it though, nobody would be suspended now ^^ |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10069
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:39:28 -
[104] - Quote
Kiandoshia wrote:Kurisa Ongrard wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you: Kiandoshia wrote:
Yay, CCP teaching modesty, with a stick!
Have no fear friends, scamming as we have done is perfectly legitimate. Oh yeah, it's legit. If you hadn't told anybody about it though, nobody would be suspended now ^^
to be fair we dont know what part of all this is the eula breach, might be sharing the recordings or something els we arent privy to
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Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
614
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Posted - 2015.06.14 18:24:03 -
[105] - Quote
Wow, that's a pretty awesome scam! |
TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.06.14 19:37:55 -
[106] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Lel, just got some evenews for you:
Hi all,
Confirming that I was permanently banned as of today:
User EVE-SSO-CONNECTION is banned pending investigation
Last login: 2015.06.10 22:34
Number of visits: 204
Reason: EULA Violation
I was one of the directors in the Yellow Ducks Consortium (Kaalatas Nebunaesa) that took part in this heist, and now I am banned I guess? Thanks CCP. I thought scamming was legal. I guess not? Well, it was fun EVE, but another game needs me and my heroism!
Love,
Kaalatas Nebunaesa
Confirming one of the Yellow Duck Consortium directors was banned. Chatted with Kaal earlier. Waiting to hear more. I'm sure it must be a mistake on CCP's part, as our scam clearly did not violate any part of the EULA. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2015.06.14 19:48:24 -
[107] - Quote
So what?
Hadn't much compassion with the victim but that?
Hilarious!!
Boasting like little children about this lame job and putting evidence online...
What and what not violates the EULA is a thing that CCP decides!
You seriously hope for an uproar?
loool
So enough please, if you still need to whine, please do it in C&P where this clickbait belongs to anyway.
Funny when people fish for other ppls tears and then have to cry themselfes.
Edit:
Consider the amount of isk in PLEX in Dollars and that not a corps but a single person has been hit.
Some Promo CCP does not want.
Anyway: Everything "evil" some people do reflect on EvE and CCP and there is the line where tolerance ends.
PPS:
LOL
following erotica1 s footsteps indeed, following them out of EvE...
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23923
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Posted - 2015.06.14 19:49:17 -
[108] - Quote
lost packet wrote:If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P). As others have said it depends on the situation. If a scammer encourages the victim to buy PLEX then that's a nono as far as I know; anything other than that is fair game because a PLEX has no monetary worth after it's been redeemed and becomes a game item to which the normal scam rules apply.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2015.06.14 19:57:55 -
[109] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:lost packet wrote:If the guy had layed out real money, then lost it in a situation like this, that should be returnable under EULA because that is kind of real life grief and cause real life issues (especially if married :P). As others have said it depends on the situation. If a scammer encourages the victim to buy PLEX then that's a nono as far as I know; anything other than that is fair game because a PLEX has no monetary worth after it's been redeemed and becomes a game item to which the normal scam rules apply.
Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP. And actions you take that might go into the media will reflect badly on CCP and EvE might call for a ban hammer.
CCP might see a difference when not a corps but a single person is affected. Also its very st-u-pid to boast like that and put the recordings of a private(!) chat onto soundcloud. There enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2015.06.14 20:16:01 -
[110] - Quote
That scam is nothing different from eroticas bonus room. Those idiots obviously didn't learn ccp's lesson. the moment they stepped out of the sandbox as lynx said it, was boasting about it on en24 and posting audiofiles of dragging the victim through the mud, ruining his reputation because scammers seem to compensate their inferiority complexes with that. they should be banned. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23923
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Posted - 2015.06.14 20:30:27 -
[111] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP. And actions you take that might go into the media will reflect badly on CCP and EvE might call for a ban hammer. The same could be said of pretty much anything that crosses a GMs desk, I'm merely pointing out the general guidelines as I understand them.
The ban hammer is a given depending on how bad the press is, the precedent was set when Kugu got banned and reinforced somewhat when Erotica got banned.
Quote:CCP might see a difference when not a corps but a single person is affected. Also its very st-u-pid to boast like that and put the recordings of a private(!) chat onto soundcloud. It's a pretty standard scam and it's one that's existed for years in Eve, as the old adage goes : A fool and his money are soon parted.
The recordings while distastful aren't private by any means, it's pretty common knowledge that anything you say or write in Eve to another person can and will often be used against you; as such you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy as per the EULA
EULA wrote:7. PRIVACY AND USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION
A. Communications
Except for certain information in your Account (discussed below), all transmissions by you to the System are not private. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. You'll probably find most voice/text chat software has similar boilerplate contained in the EULA.
Quote:There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans. That's not for you or I to say, that is entirely down to CCP.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.06.14 21:48:14 -
[112] - Quote
Agata Matahari wrote:That scam is nothing different from eroticas bonus room. Those idiots obviously didn't learn ccp's lesson. the moment they stepped out of the sandbox as lynx said it, was boasting about it on en24 and posting audiofiles of dragging the victim through the mud, ruining his reputation because scammers seem to compensate their inferiority complexes with that. they should be banned.
mandatory " WoW is that way --->" line.... |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:13:02 -
[113] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:La Rynx wrote:Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP. Quote:There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans. That's not for you or I to say, that is entirely down to CCP.
oh look, i started with this notion...
so whats the point of throwing around parts of the EULA.
O and by the way, i think the victim was not told that the conversation would be recorded and may be considered private, despite any excuse you are grabbing for. those i-d-i-o-t-s wanted to brag and where fishing for applause but got kicked out of eve instead. this makes this unintendend pun absolutly hilarious.
Furthermore, please notice, that i already agreed, that this was a normal scam, just not a great one.
Moreso please notice, that no rippard tegg is needed to get CCP to ban people and rippard tegg has never been the reason for those bans. accusing tegg was always just the try to put blame on someone else than the perp.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:20:35 -
[114] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:La Rynx wrote:Again which rules apply, is decided by CCP. Quote:There are enough reasons to pick to sanctify the bans. That's not for you or I to say, that is entirely down to CCP. oh look, i started with this notion... so whats the point of throwing around parts of the EULA. O and by the way, i think the victim was not told that the conversation would be recorded and may be considered private, despite any excuse you are grabbing for. those i-d-i-o-t-s wanted to brag and where fishing for applause but got kicked out of eve instead. this makes this unintendend pun absolutly hilarious. Furthermore, please notice, that i already agreed, that this was a normal scam, just not a great one. Moreso please notice, that no rippard tegg is needed to get CCP to ban people and rippard tegg has never been the reason for those bans. accusing tegg was always just the try to put blame on someone else than the perp.
Nobody is sure why Kaalatas was banned. Everything else is speculation. I should note that none of the many other people involved in this scam were banned. It is quite perplexing. If you pretend otherwise, you are either quite uniformed or disingenuous. |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
1465
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:38:27 -
[115] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
I love this ****, Need to check this out later today, erotica 1 soundcloud scams are my alltime favourites (last year that guy who started screaming so loud)... this is pure evil
Great name, will be missed if you turn out to be about as good for the game as they were.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
1465
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:38:27 -
[116] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:
I love this ****, Need to check this out later today, erotica 1 soundcloud scams are my alltime favourites (last year that guy who started screaming so loud)... this is pure evil
Great name, will be missed if you turn out to be about as good for the game as they were.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23926
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:44:05 -
[117] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:oh look, i started with this notion...
so whats the point of throwing around parts of the EULA. You brought up the matter of privacy, not me.
The EULA quote is entirely relevant to that part of your post; and as I pointed out you'll probably find very similar boilerplate in the EULA of things like TS and Mumble, which are both common OOG communications methods.
Quote:O and by the way, i think the victim was not told that the conversation would be recorded and may be considered private, despite any excuse you are grabbing for. Regardless of what the victim was told, it's Eve related, and with Eve's reputation for such shenanigans he should have known there was a good chance it was being recorded. There's no shortage of examples of things like this being recorded and published for public consumption.
Quote:those i-d-i-o-t-s wanted to brag and where fishing for applause but got kicked out of eve instead. this makes this unintendend pun absolutly hilarious. That has yet to be determined, a suspension pending investigation is not a ban; and the other players involved in this operation still appear to be with us.
Quote:Furthermore, please notice, that i already agreed, that this was a normal scam, just not a great one.
Moreso please notice, that no rippard tegg is needed to get CCP to ban people and rippard tegg has never been the reason for those bans. accusing tegg was always just the try to put blame on someone else than the perp.
Did I mention Ripard Teg?
Nope, but now you mention it..
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
236
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:44:32 -
[118] - Quote
TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet wrote:
Nobody is sure why Kaalatas was banned. Everything else is speculation. I should note that none of the many other people involved in this scam were banned. It is quite perplexing. If you pretend otherwise, you are either quite uniformed or disingenuous.
That's pretty simple isn't it?
A few guys had some fun over another guy. Everything went smooth and gentle until one of them decided (or it was collective descicion) to make that case popular and it was thrown onto news portal. So after that we had a honest comuunity reaction from - "<3" to "die bastards"! EULA doesn't cover "a scam" portion, at least i didn't find it there saying it is offcicial and legal.
So one fo those guys banned now, and he was banned for a reason which CCP defined valid and strong enough to proceed with such penalty. More to come.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
389
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Posted - 2015.06.15 02:34:22 -
[119] - Quote
Scam seems legit, well thought out and executed.
As for the crowing afterwards via an out of game website with out of game recordings it's just nasty and something I couldn't actually bring myself to listen to although I'm sure some people got some kicks out of it.
There is such a thing as a bad winner.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 09:08:29 -
[120] - Quote
TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet wrote:
Nobody is sure why Kaalatas was banned. Everything else is speculation. I should note that none of the many other people involved in this scam were banned. It is quite perplexing. If you pretend otherwise, you are either quite uniformed or disingenuous.
I simply do not care.
I do not speculate either.
There where enough reasons to pick for CCP.
CCP found one to --> investigate!
If its perma might to be proven, if someone would care.
Which i do not.
So i am not perplexed.
I am just having a big time seeing how this pathetic stunt backfired.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You brought up the matter of privacy, not me.
The EULA quote is entirely relevant to that part of your post;
No it is just one of other possible reasons for CCP to investigate.
I do not want to discuss about EULAs, thats all.
Than again you start with EULAS.
As is said, the victim did not need to assume that those conversations would be published in this way.
EULA?
remember? i do not care!
And no you did not mention Ripard Teg, i did!
I think "why" should be clear if one reads my Postings seriously.
You really hope(think) i would ever click a link of yours again?
lol
No keep your spoon to lick for yourself and stuffs for yourself...
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1696
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Posted - 2015.06.15 10:00:25 -
[121] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:March rabbit wrote:they get paid for it So did these dudes. ... GJ on the scam
No problems here.
DId they have 'payed client' for every scam they did?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1696
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Posted - 2015.06.15 10:09:12 -
[122] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:March rabbit wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl), How do you feel about actors playing a role? they get paid for it And how is that relevant?
For kids:
Actor impersonates some person to create enjoyment for other people. He does his stuff in movie/series/ets to other actor who impersonates another person. In result all actions stay in movie. Plus actors get paid for their service.
In simple words actors is just another profession.
Now try to think why did you bring actors here?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:17:50 -
[123] - Quote
Don't discuss warnings and bans on the forums.
Also, any further trolling, and this thread will be closed.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Mag's
the united
19578
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:26:21 -
[124] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:Lucy Lopez wrote:Maybe I'm just not the 'right' type of player for EVE Online, but I get no enjoyment or satisfaction at all from listening to these Teamspeak conversations of people getting screwed over. Grats, you scammed someone, but do you have to be a **** about it? I bet the guys who pulled this off would say "it's just a game" etc etc, but when you record Teamspeak conversations and upload them to Soundcloud for people to laugh at you're taking things way more serious than people who actually think of EVE as "just a game". Actually, most of the baddies posting in here are of a relatively shared opinion on the matter. It was a great scam, nice payoff, well done. The recordings and the video however were in poor taste. Agreed.
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:52:28 -
[125] - Quote
What these guys did is nothing different that 100 people have done before them. Erotica and his cronies are, as far as I know, the only people ever to be outright banned for it, and thats because they crossed the line from simple trolling into out and out psychological torture. Hell one of the first pieces of media I EVER saw online for EVE was a very famous video with some guys from m0o trolling a miner on Teamspeak after blowing him up. It was, quite frankly, hilarious. And I don't see why we have a distinction between posting salty in game chat and posting salty voice recordings. Both are the scam victims actual feelings and words on the matter.
If people can get banned for a straight up regular scam now then RIP EVE, its been a blast. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:58:02 -
[126] - Quote
Hell now that I'm thinking of it :
IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?
Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
236
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Posted - 2015.06.15 12:15:01 -
[127] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:Hell now that I'm thinking of it :
IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?
Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?
There is a board where adverst finish and entertainment starts. So answering your question - Yes it is. |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.06.15 13:00:17 -
[128] - Quote
Kaalatas gets banned on purpouse,
Every other character is fabricating the rest of the story, player donations rool in to the victim.
x
profit? |
Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.06.15 16:57:37 -
[129] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:Hell now that I'm thinking of it :
IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?
Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?
Falcon said to knock off the trolling. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin.
Black Legion.
2322
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Posted - 2015.06.15 17:23:52 -
[130] - Quote
Posting in a 'use the word Erotica1 to trigger click bait' thread.
Would you like to know more?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
3002
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:13:46 -
[131] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP. Thats not against the EULA though though. ... Brb im posting what you just said on reddit for all to read and mock
Well, that might be fine, but there might be an actual legal issue here.
Disclaimer: IANAL
However, I do take alot of pictures usually street pictures (street art and stuff going on as I go about my day). I'll also take video. So I have familiarized myself with my rights and the laws around things like photography and taking videos in public.
The basic rule is: in public the other person has no valid expectation of privacy and therefore pictures and videos are totally legit.
If, however, there is even a partial expectation of privacy then you are on shaky ground (for example, a public restroom affords at least some degree of privacy so taking pictures in there will almost surely get you into trouble).
As for voice recordings, that is often illegal if you do not do it without the consent of the other party and they have an expectation of privacy--e.g. they are on the phone in their house or somewhere they cannot be over-heard. This is why when you call your bank, insurance company, or just about any business they'll have that disclaimer that the conversation might be recorded for quality assurance purposes. If you call your insurance company about say a car accident and you have to give an official statement they will be very much more clear that you are being recorded and will only do so once you have explicitly given your permission.
Now, I have not listened to the sound clouds, but if there were no such disclaimers then technically there could be a legal issue here around wire tapping. Maybe. It all depends on the expectations of privacy the victim of the scam had (legally speaking, not his own personal feelings).
What does this have to do with picture taking/videos in public? Videos also record sound and there have been people (wrongfully) arrested for wire tapping when taking videos (usually of police officers). Which is why I have some familiarity with wire tapping laws.
But again, IANAL. Although if I were CCP I'd run this past the legal department if it has not been done so yet. Especially with the link on their forums and that if the guy did decide to pursue this legally then he'd likely have to go through CCP.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
194
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:28:41 -
[132] - Quote
Teckos Pech wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP. Thats not against the EULA though though. ... Brb im posting what you just said on reddit for all to read and mock Well, that might be fine, but there might be an actual legal issue here. Disclaimer: IANAL However, I do take alot of pictures usually street pictures (street art and stuff going on as I go about my day). I'll also take video. So I have familiarized myself with my rights and the laws around things like photography and taking videos in public. The basic rule is: in public the other person has no valid expectation of privacy and therefore pictures and videos are totally legit. If, however, there is even a partial expectation of privacy then you are on shaky ground (for example, a public restroom affords at least some degree of privacy so taking pictures in there will almost surely get you into trouble). As for voice recordings, that is often illegal if you do not do it without the consent of the other party and they have an expectation of privacy--e.g. they are on the phone in their house or somewhere they cannot be over-heard. This is why when you call your bank, insurance company, or just about any business they'll have that disclaimer that the conversation might be recorded for quality assurance purposes. If you call your insurance company about say a car accident and you have to give an official statement they will be very much more clear that you are being recorded and will only do so once you have explicitly given your permission. Now, I have not listened to the sound clouds, but if there were no such disclaimers then technically there could be a legal issue here around wire tapping. Maybe. It all depends on the expectations of privacy the victim of the scam had (legally speaking, not his own personal feelings). What does this have to do with picture taking/videos in public? Videos also record sound and there have been people (wrongfully) arrested for wire tapping when taking videos (usually of police officers). Which is why I have some familiarity with wire tapping laws. But again, IANAL. Although if I were CCP I'd run this past the legal department if it has not been done so yet. Especially with the link on their forums and that if the guy did decide to pursue this legally then he'd likely have to go through CCP.
If you join a voice conversation over the internet through software with several other people. You have zero expectation of privacy.
The software is also saving the VoIP voice into data of 1s and 0s.
So by your account, sue Teamspeak?
I am also sure that teamspeaks lengthy EULA and ToS says what you say over their program aint private.
You seriously are enterimg a chatroom with other people.
That aint private.
Want privacy? Mail em a letter |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:42:32 -
[133] - Quote
If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:52:48 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. These types of posts, are the reason I read these types of threads. It's the icing on top of the comedy gold cake.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:20:49 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game?
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:35:16 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game?
I bet they would find some part from law where they could calculate how much that isk is in RL money, as in price of PLEX/subscription.
It has happened here before if i remember correctly, case of "Happo Hotelli" (Acid Hotel, Sim-Life style mmo), Finnish mmo game where some kid stole from other kid some assets in game. Big news way back then... |
Schmantoo
I Really Hate You Guys
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:58:24 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I
Also he kind of deserved it for listening to Rap music.
I like you.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:16:10 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
If you join a voice conversation over the internet through software with several other people. You have zero expectation of privacy.
I don't think this is necessarily true. For example, people can have confidential conference calls for say business purposes. In the U.S. many states have one party consent, but not all of them do and if one person is in an all party consent state it gets dicey. How it is in other countries probably varies. For example Finland appears to be one party consent, whereas Germany is an all part consent. In the U.K. it appears to be more....complicated. There, it is largely one party, but if you release it like was done here...there might be a problem.
Quote:The software is also saving the VoIP voice into data of 1s and 0s.
So by your account, sue Teamspeak?
No, no more than you'd sue the person who makes recording equipment for recording phone calls. You'd sue the person who takes the illegal action.
Quote:I am also sure that teamspeaks lengthy EULA and ToS says what you say over their program aint private.
It is possible, but then that opens up a whole messy can of worms.
Quote:You seriously are enterimg a chatroom with other people.
A private meeting between two or more people is still private. In fact, if two people are in public, but are taking pains so that their conversation is not overheard, then if you use an electronic device to record them without their knowledge and thus their consent you'd probably be in some trouble (if caught). How is TS any different?
Basically, technology has moved ahead of the law here so it is a grey area. Maybe TS or whatever has a ToS/EULA that does say you have no right to privacy, but how is that all that much different than most other forms of electronic communication? Because it is over the internet? What about cell phones?
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:20:43 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:bla
Once again the argument dance starts.
Talking on the street / teamspeak can be listened to, but recording and publishing it is something different.
Even if the talks werent privat, the guy could fairly assume a discussion between friends.
Thats ONE point. Others listening.
On the street and in teamspeak you see listeners.
But not only that, the talks have been recorded without his consent and published, thats TWO.
Constructing excuses about the cruel world and EULAs is pathetic. As long as it is not something like Watergate, private talks are private, even if they would talk on New York Times square.
EDIT:
Whats the point?
EvE is dying because the most pathetic stunts might get you a ban?
Just don't do pathetic stunts.
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La Rynx
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:34:31 -
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How ironic:
How some kind of criminals who violate some rules, desperatly try to pull out more rules to protect themselfes from retaliation and "unfair" treatment.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:41:07 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game? I bet they would find some part from law where they could calculate how much that isk is in RL money, as in price of PLEX/subscription. It has happened here before if i remember correctly, case of "Happo Hotelli" (Acid Hotel, Sim-Life style mmo), Finnish mmo game where some kid stole from other kid some assets in game. Big news way back then...
I once held Finland in high regards, but now that I know that they can't differentiate between internet space pixel money and real money I have to think about that again.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:03:19 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game? I bet they would find some part from law where they could calculate how much that isk is in RL money, as in price of PLEX/subscription. It has happened here before if i remember correctly, case of "Happo Hotelli" (Acid Hotel, Sim-Life style mmo), Finnish mmo game where some kid stole from other kid some assets in game. Big news way back then... Now I can laugh at you.
That case was about false websites gaining login and account details, therefore it fell under the fraud laws. Just as it would everywhere else.
Quote:The Finnish company Sulake, which owns Habbo Hotel subsequently identified several hundred more users who appeared to have been targeted, according to DS Levonen.
The online thieves allegedly targeted users with fake web pages to capture usernames and passwords, in what is commonly known as an online "phishing" scam.
Maybe a little reading and comprehension, before posting next time.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:11:26 -
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Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too.
Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise |
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:15:16 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Well you got it completely wrong and then missed the sarcasm from other posters.
Reading and comprehension, isn't your strong suit I guess.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:16:30 -
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Mag's wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Well you got it completely wrong and then missed the sarcasm from other posters. Reading and comprehension, isn't your strong suit I guess.
And I guess understanding TZ-¦s is not one of yours. |
Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:19:06 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise
Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland?
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:22:57 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland?
I would start thinking about your own free education, healthcare, payment from each baby every month 17 years (+generous welfare benefits, about 1000 euro month, depending on rent), before i would start to criticize our laws.
I assume with 99% certainty that you are not from rest of Scandinavia, Swiss, or even from Canada... |
Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:38:21 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland? I would start thinking about your own free education, healthcare, payment from each baby every month 17 years (+generous welfare benefits, about 1000 euro month, depending on rent), before i would start to criticize our laws. I assume with 99% certainty that you are not from rest of Scandinavia, Swiss, or even from Canada...
My friend, your assumptions are as bad as your space lawyering. I am from one of this countries, I will not tell you from which one, but I give you a hint: We have everything you have in a better version + a real democracy. Take your guess.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:40:06 -
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I thought Erotica1 bonus room went too far, but this seems nothing like it. A long con that didn't even upset the mark that much ("I can earn it back with 400M/hour incursions, etc.").
I feel more pity for the CEO who had his corp stolen in the beginning, and the other players who were recruited to join the corp to enable the ruse.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:40:46 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland? I would start thinking about your own free education, healthcare, payment from each baby every month 17 years (+generous welfare benefits, about 1000 euro month, depending on rent), before i would start to criticize our laws. I assume with 99% certainty that you are not from rest of Scandinavia, Swiss, or even from Canada... My friend, your assumptions are as bad as your space lawyering. I am from one of this countries, I will not tell you from which one, but I give you a hint: We have everything you have in a better version + a real democracy. Take your guess.
Obviously your education about Finland is still lacking...
Or is it media about our latest elections?
EDIT: and i bet you are Swiss (my guess, as you brag about democracy there like a French)...
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:50:19 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Mag's wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Well you got it completely wrong and then missed the sarcasm from other posters. Reading and comprehension, isn't your strong suit I guess. And I guess understanding TZ-¦s is not one of yours. TZ's? Do you mean time zones?
If you do, what are you talking about?
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:52:17 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: and i bet you are Swiss (my guess, as you brag about democracy there like a French)... We have "The Bomb". You don-¦t have even an army
I am not sure if you make this on purpose, I was actually in that army...
Can we stop the political stuff now and get back on topic where you congratulate me for dismantling your lies?
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:54:40 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: and i bet you are Swiss (my guess, as you brag about democracy there like a French)... We have "The Bomb". You don-¦t have even an army I am not sure if you make this on purpose, I was actually in that army... Can we stop the political stuff now and get back on topic where you congratulate me for dismantling your lies?
What lies?
Now your starting to sound like a Russian...
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:56:53 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: and i bet you are Swiss (my guess, as you brag about democracy there like a French)... We have "The Bomb". You don-¦t have even an army I am not sure if you make this on purpose, I was actually in that army... Can we stop the political stuff now and get back on topic where you congratulate me for dismantling your lies? What lies? Erm, these?
0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud.
There are more, but it's late and I'm off to bed soon. (and can't be arsed)
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:58:16 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: and i bet you are Swiss (my guess, as you brag about democracy there like a French)... We have "The Bomb". You don-¦t have even an army I am not sure if you make this on purpose, I was actually in that army... Can we stop the political stuff now and get back on topic where you congratulate me for dismantling your lies? What lies? Now your starting to sound like a Russian... We are DONE.
This lies:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:59:38 -
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That was a nice forum self-destruct
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:05:03 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:That was a nice forum self-destruct
Umm I guess you people don-¦t know how to read, i already said that (even in original post) that it happened long ago, my memory were not so good about it and i really did not pay attention on that case after first news...
I hope Russians understand us better, or we will nuke each others... |
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:07:02 -
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Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:08:15 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:That was a nice forum self-destruct Umm I guess you people don-¦t know how to read, i already said that (even in original post) that it happened long ago, my memory were not so good about it and i really did not pay attention on that case after first news... I hope Russians understand us better, or we will nuke each others... Well if you were a part of the diplomatic party, I'd be running for the local vault with my family.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:10:49 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:That was a nice forum self-destruct Umm I guess you people don-¦t know how to read, i already said that (even in original post) that it happened long ago, my memory were not so good about it and i really did not pay attention on that case after first news... I hope Russians understand us better, or we will nuke each others...
Looks like you tried to use it as an argument anyway and got called out for it. And instead of apologizing you just invent more lies and drift into racism now.
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0bama Barack Hussein
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:11:07 -
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Mag's wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:That was a nice forum self-destruct Umm I guess you people don-¦t know how to read, i already said that (even in original post) that it happened long ago, my memory were not so good about it and i really did not pay attention on that case after first news... I hope Russians understand us better, or we will nuke each others... Well if you were a part of the diplomatic party, I'd be running for the local vault with my family.
I know many strange things Americans do, but not that.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:15:12 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
Also, any further trolling, and this thread will be closed.
And yet here we are. Thread is still open.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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0bama Barack Hussein
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:23:12 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
Also, any further trolling, and this thread will be closed.
And yet here we are. Thread is still open. Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2015.06.15 23:33:33 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: oh yeah, no need to be in diplomacy, just in army, and to use some common sense to conduct that those 62 units of F-18 Hornets capable of delivering very long way away a payload (low flying cruise missiles, very long range), are not just to kill few separate, maybe even 100 tanks...
Not sure if just drunk or stupid
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0bama Barack Hussein
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Posted - 2015.06.15 23:49:20 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: oh yeah, no need to be in diplomacy, just in army, and to use some common sense to conduct that those 62 units of F-18 Hornets capable of delivering very long way away a payload (low flying cruise missiles, very long range), are not just to kill few separate, maybe even 100 tanks... Not sure if just drunk or stupid
Dont care what you think, you remind me from those 3 years yonger than me (about 18), when we were at 1st day in military in auditorium and told our only mission is to just "slow down enemy until `bomb` is ready"....
Nobody seemed to listen but me actually (21). |
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:00:51 -
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You've slowed down the thread and now it's bombed, so... mission accomplished I guess. The living envy the dead in-game.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:02:02 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: oh yeah, no need to be in diplomacy, just in army, and to use some common sense to conduct that those 62 units of F-18 Hornets capable of delivering very long way away a payload (low flying cruise missiles, very long range), are not just to kill few separate, maybe even 100 tanks... Not sure if just drunk or stupid Dont care what you think, you remind me from those 3 years yonger than me (about 18), when we were at 1st day in military in auditorium and told our only mission is to just "slow down enemy until `bomb` is ready".... Nobody seemed to listen but me actually (21).
Continue, it's getting more clear now
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Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:08:11 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:EDIT: oh yeah, no need to be in diplomacy, just in army, and to use some common sense to conduct that those 62 units of F-18 Hornets capable of delivering very long way away a payload (low flying cruise missiles, very long range), are not just to kill few separate, maybe even 100 tanks... Not sure if just drunk or stupid Dont care what you think, you remind me from those 3 years yonger than me (about 18), when we were at 1st day in military in auditorium and told our only mission is to just "slow down enemy until `bomb` is ready".... Nobody seemed to listen but me actually (21). Continue, it's getting more clear now
It-¦s not rocket science, Finland is more bigger, wealthier than (and at least has as high tech as) Israel...
Military goes hardcore everywhere when faced with possible opposition that has much more quantity.
Besides, there is silver lining in everything, that kind of destructive war could "calm down" Russia (like Japan after WW2), and bring also in more general peace into the world.
For Finns it wont matter, we know that Russians know that in a case of war, all Finns with their couple million hunting rifles in every other window would need to be neutralized anyway. |
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Posted - 2015.06.16 01:37:48 -
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Thread is closed.
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