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X ChaosX
Trogdor the Burninator Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari nice, wasted time now
new near-1m Revelation newbies, and now this.
Just keeps getting better and better...
Just because something was bad or hard in the past doesn't mean it should stay that way forever. If that was the case, we would have no technology what-so-ever because it isn't fair to the cavemen that they had to live in caves and work with sticks when we have what we have. ___
Originally by: Bill Shankly i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:39:00 -
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Excellent move CCP ^^
To quote a certain person..
"I am so glad they are finally introducing these changes - so many people I know who have tried EVE didn't get past 3 months or so due to the relentless skill grind in order to do anything basic. The only thing newbies now get that they didn't get before are an extra 700k skillpoints, the bulk of which is made up from two Rank 1 skills at level 5.
Starting an MMORPG shouldn't be a chore for the first 6 months of playing - you should be able to jump in and spend all of your time learning about the game, not waiting for basic skills to finish.
Kudos CCP."
Couldn't agree more ^^
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Hangman69
Horny AngryBear Lovers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:56:00 -
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now they need to convert reactor control unit 2's to energy upgrades 4 from 5 to keep helping newbies and help me save 9 days for one module and the slightest in cpu savings.
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Sphynx Stormlord
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:39:00 -
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This needed doing, and is an excellent change. Although it does mean that people are probably never going to get the 9th bonus point in an attribute, thus letting the veteran players continue to gain skill points faster than the new players indefinatly.
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Kapitanleutnant Mei
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hangman69 now they need to convert reactor control unit 2's to energy upgrades 4 from 5 to keep helping newbies and help me save 9 days for one module and the slightest in cpu savings.
QTF this has to be the most irritaing module to train for. well ever pretty much
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Eanae
Gallente Legends of Burnap
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Posted - 2006.11.23 22:56:00 -
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If only they would add this sooner. I'm doing my 4-5 in about 19 hours =(
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2006.11.24 00:27:00 -
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From the same people that brought you magic tech 1 -> tech 2 bpos.
4.5m in learning makes me a sad panda.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.24 03:38:00 -
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going to turn into a wowfest before you know it, the game is loosening up too much imo
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Trader Phil
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Posted - 2006.11.24 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol going to turn into a wowfest before you know it, the game is loosening up too much imo
Wow Samirol, is there no end to your *****ing? The only time being lost is training learning 5, analytical mind 5 and instant recall 5. If you were optimizing your learning skills you'd be doing alternating mem, int, learning training anyways to adv 4, and all the other basic skills use mem and int as their primary attributes. So other than those lvl 5 basics you're not losing or gaining any time, infact you'd be losing a little time since the advanced skills require that attribute as primary.
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Max Mentor
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Posted - 2006.11.24 03:58:00 -
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Easy solution: Stop caring about learing skill pay off and play the game...
QFT
My new main has very little learning and loving it! Just need to focus on ship type to be effective. Learning is overrated IMHO.
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Shapiro Keats
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Posted - 2006.11.24 04:52:00 -
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I actually just finished training the basic skills to level 5 and have almost all of the advanced skills trained to level 4. Took forever.
I believe that this change will be for the better in the long-term, but I wish CCP would have announced this change to the playerbase earlier than 5 days before Kali comes out. I certainly would have delayed my training and gone for basic 4 and then advanced 4 if I had known that. As it is, the rest of my noob corp-mates have been learning applicable skills for the past couple of months, while I've spent about a month on skills that won't pay off for hundreds of days and really don't matter.
Not a whine, because I believe that training will eventually pay off, but certainly not as early as I thought it would. It's very frustrating to the new people that have been advised over and over to train the learning skills early, and I can only hope that in the future CCP will tell us they're considering such a large change that directly impacts the newer players long before implementing it.
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Leeloo Lamenti
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Posted - 2006.11.24 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Leeloo Lamenti on 24/11/2006 04:55:38 Edited by: Leeloo Lamenti on 24/11/2006 04:54:21 I have to admit that this decision disappoints me.
I can understand the decision of allowing "post-graduate" studies to start early after you've only completed lvl 4 of your "under-grad" (such as Mass Production -> Advanced Mass Production), but only if the graduate-study had a cap at lvl 3 (ie - you don't go past lvl3 of the advanced study until you finish lvl 5 of the basic).
But for something as significant as Learning skills - something that dramatically affects everything and not just the number of npcs you can target at once... well, I think this is a mistake. Those learning skills are modifying the way your character thinks, behaves, reacts, and operates. You can't become an adult without going through your teen-years - why is CCP allowing this in the game?
I can understand the decision, and in some ways I like it (strictly in the sense that it makes me want to start another char), but overall I think it's a poor decision.
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RecoilUK
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Posted - 2006.11.24 06:17:00 -
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Hi guys
Yes - this is an excellent decision, for all the people moaning, think back to when you started playing, it wasnt fun training all of them to level 5.
Having said that, all the people saying you havnt lost anything arent really seeing the whole picture, yes you have the extra skill point, which you will always have, but you,ve lost the training time and the advantage of putting the training time in, lets face it, we payed for that time.
In my opinion, this should be given back to all players that have a lvl 5 learning skill to put on another skill/s of choice. It doesnt have to be the full amount either, but something which just acknowledges the fact that we did it.
Oh and the post regarding limiting the adv learning to a particular lvl until basic lvl 5 is trained was also good.
Thx
Thanks
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Viax Xavier
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Posted - 2006.11.24 10:18:00 -
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Ok that's is clear for help the new player to make fast SP...But i have a question..there's a rumor about the ccp are thinking to nerf the time skill of the ol player is really??So if i have 25 millions of SP (and remember i have paied for them in time and in Ç) My pg will skill more less then a new pg??and if a have 40mill sp?My pg will be so stupid to skill more less of other pg who have 25mil of sp??and if i not skilling my pg will slowly retrogress to the base SP?Is that real or is only a rumor??
This a question really important...for me so i will decide to continue to pay more account or closing all them...
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.24 11:11:00 -
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Are you guys going to whine about +4's being so cheap? Back in the day they were 150mil+ each, now they are close to nothing, so new players can easaly afford a +4 set in the same way we vets used to be able to afford +2 sets?
Bottom line - No big deal. Means noobs wont get scared of this game and will enjoy it more.
I cannot beleive this tread...... You want to Nerf Noobs? --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:09:00 -
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Is this definate or is this just a Test server special to help ppl out so they can train other stuff quicker?
The reason I ask is when mining barges and other new ship types came out I had the pre requisite skills and the new skills allready at level 5 so I was able to start tesing right away.
Also if this does in fact happen are pilots with say 30 mil points but maxed learning skills suddenly be down to 28 mil or something like that?
Either way it doesn't matter to me i'm just interested!
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Mayoz Miner
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Posted - 2006.11.24 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mayoz Miner on 24/11/2006 20:15:50
Originally by: VeniVici The problem with this change is that anyone who has trained learning level 5 skills in the last 1-2 months is screwed.
Why? Simple, as soon as Kali is released the payoff time for training Basic Level V attributes moves to 440 days. This is up from 166 days needed to break even if you were training up to advanced level 4. So ya, kind as sucks donkey balls for those of use who have taken the time to train those these last 2 months don't it?
bah I want to quit now, thats exaclty what I done >.<, stuff like this always happens to me
EDIT :- wish they would of told me
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XerZex
Minmatar Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:51:00 -
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So to confirm, this means
Basic Learning Skills > STILL go up to Lvl 5
However you only need Basic Lvl 4 to start the advanced?
Therefore, from doing ALL to Lvl 5 (advanced and basic), you can still get +10 attrib points? Sounds sweet tbh.
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: XerZex So to confirm, this means
Basic Learning Skills > STILL go up to Lvl 5
However you only need Basic Lvl 4 to start the advanced?
Therefore, from doing ALL to Lvl 5 (advanced and basic), you can still get +10 attrib points? Sounds sweet tbh.
Yep Level 4 now enables you togo to Adv Learnings !!!! YAY!
There are still 5 levels though so you can get Level 5 after you get up you adv skills. My Character Stats
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Ashurn
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:50:00 -
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Hate to say this but I am seriously doubting the friend whom introduced me to EVE Online with the line, "...EVE Online has one of the most mature community..."
And the forums are looking very similar to WoW's forums now.
P.S. I quit that game due to all the whines/cries/nerf/buff/vulgarities/insults/threats on the forums, as well as how the game feels like a 2nd job. I can't believe I am re-living it again on EVE's forums...
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ashurn Hate to say this but I am seriously doubting the friend whom introduced me to EVE Online with the line, "...EVE Online has one of the most mature community..."
And the forums are looking very similar to WoW's forums now.
P.S. I quit that game due to all the whines/cries/nerf/buff/vulgarities/insults/threats on the forums, as well as how the game feels like a 2nd job. I can't believe I am re-living it again on EVE's forums...
QFT, the reason this is happening is because once WoW players enter puberty they feel they need a real challenge and sign up to EvE. The problem though is just because thay have hairs on their bits and have a deeper voice they still haven't reached the mental maturity that is really needed to participate in this fantastic game!
Oh bugger mums calling me in now it's getting dark Catch you later!
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:04:00 -
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Yes! Very nice ccp, making the game better and more accessible for new players is always good. I trained these years ago and i think its horrible that a new player feels he must train 4 rank 3 skills to 5 in his first two months. Finally ccp is making some good decisions. ______________
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coastie124VD
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:45:00 -
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QFT, the reason this is happening is because once WoW players enter puberty they feel they need a real challenge and sign up to EvE. The problem though is just because thay have hairs on their bits and have a deeper voice they still haven't reached the mental maturity that is really needed to participate in this fantastic game!
Oh bugger mums calling me in now it's getting dark Catch you later!
Ha Ha he said bits.
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jokerb
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:36:00 -
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Basically this only makes a new players first 3-5 months in game much easier to stomach. The CCP average age of a player is 7 months (saw that stat awhile ago) I'm guessing they are looking at extending that time out to 10-12 months. By getting the new players to 'feel' useful and accomplishing skills will keep them paying subscriptions longer. More players is good for all of us. Those that choose to whine seem to be rather selfish and self-centered. The Game at large is what we need to think about, not just our own 'wah I lost a whole 14 days....' Btw, you have been in the game longer to enjoy it longer so please include that into your calculations as well...
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xHalcyonx
Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: xHalcyonx on 25/11/2006 21:55:58 Edited by: xHalcyonx on 25/11/2006 21:54:36 Edited by: xHalcyonx on 25/11/2006 21:54:03 I am 9 hours from completing Analytical Mind 5. I am 2 days 10 hours from completing Instant Recall 5.
What can I do to shave a few days off of training time?
My Attributes:
Intelligence: 12 (15 with +3 implant) Perception: 10 (13 with +3 implant) Charisma: 3 (6 with +3 implant) Willpower: 18 (20 with +2 implant) Memory: 10 (12 with +2 implant)
Analytical Mind: On Hold - 5 in 9 hours Instant Recall: Currently Training - 5 in 2 days 10 hours Iron Will: 3 Learning: 2 Spatial Awareness: 3
Thanks, xHalc
P.S. - Remaking the character with better attributes is NOT an option.
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EffBee Primus
Caldari DCS Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:11:00 -
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So I see they have changed the requirement to start training the advanced learning skills.
I am in the middle of learning "Learning Skills" and just today got "Instant Recall" to 5 in preparation for the advanced skill "Eidetic Memory". Its taken me about two weeks of real time to get this since I only train learning skills when I am offline.
Am I bothered?
No. Because I have other training skills at level 3 and 4 and I will benefit enormously from the change. At the end of the day all that has changed is that I need to reorganize my "Learning Skills" learning queue.
On the other hand if I had just finished the exercise of getting all my learning kills up to advanced 4 I might be just a little bit miffed!
Also for me there is the small matter of 4.5M isk for each advanced skill which at my level is a lot of isk.
Newish primary characters like mine are going to struggle to raise the 4.5M needed to buy each advanced skill (earned mostly while online) during the 28 hours (real world time) of research time needed to get the basic skill from lvl 0 to lvl 4.
At the end of the day though, everything moves down towards the lowest common denominator. TV was once an elitist middle class form of entertainment. Now look at it. Computer games are going the same way. EvE is changing itself to pander to mass popular appeal. Sadly.
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coastie124VD
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Posted - 2006.11.25 23:06:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone would be upset about this. I see alot of noobs posting about how it isn't fair. How? So maybe you could be a day or two ahead of where you were. You still need to train all your learning to level 5. Just like I did and any other person in EVE should. And, if you are new to EVE like I am and haven't learned this yet, EVE is always changing. As soon as you think you've got it figured out something will change. Get used to it. And remember its a game have fun.
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Stems
Gallente Trade Consortium Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.26 01:34:00 -
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Doesn't bother me at all. If any character plans on staying in the game for any amount of time they will probably train the basic learning skills to level 5 anyway. At least now you can get up to Advanced 3 or 4 before spending 4-5 days training the basic skill to 5. More charisma here I come!!!
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Deven Sunstorm
Security Forces Domain
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Posted - 2006.11.26 01:45:00 -
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I'm a bit disappointed as well. I think that older players that trained initial learning skills to V just to learn tier 2 learning skills to IV should be compensated.
But this is CCP we're dealing with, and we all know that the premise for any changes are 'deal with it or quit'. So I will end my rant there.
Disappointed
Deven Sunstorm ***Security Forces Domain -SecFo-
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Iracham
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.26 03:15:00 -
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I don't particularly care for this change personally, but as such things go, it's not tremendously earthshaking or worthy of my time to complain vociferously about.
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