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Aminari Talar
Banananah
Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:30:07 -
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Dont reply with this "it already is" nonsense. It is not free to play, it is "you can make it free to play".
There is a huge difference between the two, namely, that the population of this game wil explode
if it has no mandatory subscription.
A few idea's to allow stubs to still be valuable are
- Train all pilots with 1 skill each if subscribed.
- Train up to two skills at a time on a character, or one skill on two characters
- Get a random rotation of free stuff from the cosmetic shop that change every two weeks.
EVE needs more people and this is the best way to ensure its around for another 5-10 years. |
Aminari Talar
Banananah
Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:33:52 -
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one last thing,
I dont want to hear this "pay to win nonsense" from people. As a game developer and unofficially speaking on ccp's behalf, you guys are idiots. Games first of all dont run on "free" second, there is many many many successful games like league of legends that makes 850 million a year from item shops that are not "pay to win".
"item shop" does not equal "pay to win" so stop with the stick up your butt and.
Item shops are highly rewarding to players and the development teams, they are easily the best income maker, and they are eves (and other game's) future for more awesome games like eve
and if you get on the whole "no kiddies" bit, you dont need to worry Eve does not have kiddies because it has a subscription, it does not have kiddies because of its complexity. If you want to argue free to win means lots of kiddies, then world of warcraft should of never had kiddies to begin with. |
Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:35:48 -
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With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans. |
Fleischgewehr
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:35:55 -
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No |
Anthar Thebess
1084
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:39:07 -
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But why when there can be subscription to play this game?
Tbh , eve will never be like LOL (never played) but i guess you don't need to train a character for a year to finally start to get some fun and not thinking what you need to degrade in your fit.
Simple example :
Eve have live industry and ton's of free accounts will simply kill it almost instantly.
Why ?
Afk miner for every one.
Afk producer for every one
PI on 400 chars?
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
777
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:45:29 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans.
no they are not, you make it free to play then where does ccp get money from? or are you ok to just abandon the whole game, make it f2p, lose support, lose updates, introduce microtransactions and p2w? no thanks, the day eve becomes f2p and all the call of duty kids come here with the parents credit card is the day eve dies
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
661
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:45:30 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining
... what?
Chart of subscriber trends
I mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb.
Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008? |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1989
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:48:46 -
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Yeah, I'm gonna go with NO.
This is a terribad idea that would most assuredly kill EVE for real.
And you know... EVE is dying, and has been for 12 years.
It most likely will be dying for another ten years.
Is a monthly subscription such a heavy burden? Is buying PLEX on the market that oppressive?
My daily cigarettes and beer cost me more than a month of playing this game.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:51:04 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining ... what? Chart of subscriber trendsI mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb. Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?
It' s been 2.5 years since that graph got updated, ever wonder why? |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
777
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:52:12 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:Lost Greybeard wrote:Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining ... what? Chart of subscriber trendsI mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb. Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008? It' s been 2.5 years since that graph got updated, ever wonder why?
so where do ccp get money for running f2p?
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Lisa Gentilette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:54:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining ... what? Chart of subscriber trendsI mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb. Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?
That chart is old, dude.
But yes, any guess about subscription numbers is like reading into tea leaves, but we have the login numbers and those are currently only going one way, the wrong way.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
598
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:55:13 -
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Aminari Talar wrote:Dont reply with this "it already is" nonsense. It is not free to play, it is "you can make it free to play".
There is a huge difference between the two, namely, that the population of this game wil explode
if it has no mandatory subscription.
A few idea's to allow stubs to still be valuable are
- Train all pilots with 1 skill each if subscribed.
- Train up to two skills at a time on a character, or one skill on two characters
- Get a random rotation of free stuff from the cosmetic shop that change every two weeks.
EVE needs more people and this is the best way to ensure its around for another 5-10 years.
Soooo... I could have 10 characters doing exploration ?! - \o/
Seriously though - do you even imagine what that would would do to the EVE market, industry and warfare?
It'd be Asakai every Thursdays at 5 o'clock... You wouldn't find a pebble of Veldspar anywhere...
Fornicate The Constabulary !
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
777
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:55:17 -
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Aminari Talar wrote:one last thing,
I dont want to hear this "pay to win nonsense" from people. As a game developer and unofficially speaking on ccp's behalf, you guys are idiots. Games first of all dont run on "free" second, there is many many many successful games like league of legends that makes 850 million a year from item shops that are not "pay to win".
"item shop" does not equal "pay to win" so stop with the stick up your butt and.
Item shops are highly rewarding to players and the development teams, they are easily the best income maker, and they are eves (and other game's) future for more awesome games like eve
and if you get on the whole "no kiddies" bit, you dont need to worry Eve does not have kiddies because it has a subscription, it does not have kiddies because of its complexity. If you want to argue free to win means lots of kiddies, then world of warcraft should of never had kiddies to begin with.
if you are a game developer then you should have no problem paying a subscription, idea, link your most successful game you have worked on which is free
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10122
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:59:28 -
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Subscription mmo's go free to play when the publisher realize the game isn't worth paying for I.e. when they die.
Eve is worth paying for, I would like it to remain so.
No.
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Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
614
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:03:24 -
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If the gameplay is still crappy, it doesn't matter how free you make it. I think that's the real issue with Eve. |
Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:08:56 -
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Aminari Talar wrote:one last thing,
I dont want to hear this "pay to win nonsense" from people. As a game developer and unofficially speaking on ccp's behalf, you guys are idiots. Games first of all dont run on "free" second, there is many many many successful games like league of legends that makes 850 million a year from item shops that are not "pay to win".
"item shop" does not equal "pay to win" so stop with the stick up your butt and.
Item shops are highly rewarding to players and the development teams, they are easily the best income maker, and they are eves (and other game's) future for more awesome games like eve
and if you get on the whole "no kiddies" bit, you dont need to worry Eve does not have kiddies because it has a subscription, it does not have kiddies because of its complexity. If you want to argue free to win means lots of kiddies, then world of warcraft should of never had kiddies to begin with.
It's always a pleasure to discuss a well-researched, thought-over, nicely-expressed, reasonably-stressed idea.
... No, really.
Here comes a time, ganker,
When blingfits cease to sparkle,
When hermophite looses its luster,
When the station hangar becomes a prison
And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
533
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:10:09 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans.
It it certainly a possibility in the future.
Even a game like ESO by Bethesda/ZeniMax recently converted to Buy-to-Play. 
To avoid pay to win scenarios, the subscription cost could be lowered at first, and then perhaps completely removed if a development like Walking in Stations happens, which would allow to generate revenue from the in-game vanity merchandise.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
707
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:11:15 -
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Go away |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
32542
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:15:22 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Subscription mmo's go free to play when the publisher realize the game isn't worth paying for I.e. when they die.
Eve is worth paying for, I would like it to remain so.
No.
Pretty much this. It's worth paying for.
Making something free doesn't translate to a prospering game in my opinion. You'll get more people, but far less money. The only way to compensate is to flood the game with purchasable extras, microtransactions, etc as a result.
Need to keep in mind that subs/plex and the value they holds within game really is the backbone for much of the economy here. It flows onto everything, the cost of your ship, the risk in losing stuff, the joy when you kill someone elses stuff. To make it free to play isn't asking for a better game, it's asking for a different game all together.
EVE isn't the game for everyone (non-payers), and that's fine. Plenty of variety and free space MMOs out there.
Also plenty of other ways to draw in fresh subscribers if they really wanted to.
In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
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Erebus Neclan
NERV Reborn
Independent Stars Allied Forces
3
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:18:59 -
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Why would you care?
http://gyazo.com/8fc9cbd81018ba0ec91c5f9745c2e754
Just log your main to sub!
Oh wait. |
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Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:20:00 -
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Aminari Talar wrote:EVE needs more entitled people and this is the best way to ensure it dies several months (if that) after these ideas are implemented.
I agree.
Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!
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Pixie Tickle
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:35:59 -
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Ya mean let's bring all the jobless and kids in here who'll try to buy their social status and then **** the forums full of their tears because they all get the crap kicked outta them! Way to go tryin' to kill tha game by letting a demographic in that's not even remotely the target audience! Ya should go check forums of f2p games, some times! They're much worse than this place! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16542
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:45:00 -
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If you think EVE is too expensive now, wait until you see how much it will cost when it's "free"...
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
215
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:46:27 -
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Calling other people idiots and then callingthem trolls when they respond. Trollbait? Trollbait. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:50:10 -
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GankYou wrote:Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining I'm pretty sure CCP is already considering it and making plans. It it certainly a possibility in the future. Even a game like ESO by Bethesda/ZeniMax recently converted to Buy-to-Play. To avoid pay to win scenarios, the subscription cost could be lowered at first, and then perhaps completely removed if a development like Walking in Stations happens, which would allow to generate revenue from the in-game vanity merchandise.
come on you know the market would die horribly if this went f2p, everything would get farmed to death and markets would have to be npc run because it would not be worth being a trader, it would be titan battles online because they would be so easy to acquire massive stacks of isk through dozens of alts. alts would have to be made illegal in game because it would just be abused, botting would rise and everything would just go t!ts up because f2p games lack any support.
im gonna guess people would still want the free updates/expansions/new content and all the other stuff that ccp do in the game?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:50:38 -
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No.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Crest Zah Donartal
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
312
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:55:31 -
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To make EVE F2p, would be a point of no Return.
the point to leave!
More player means not better gameplay... just more idiotic F2P Players. |
Wraith Soulsark
AlteredState Demolition
6
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:07:27 -
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no no no no no no
f2p is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a game period.
we are already seeing the beginnings with the ship skins and clothing and such but sub free this game would be in the toilet within 3 months |
Anthar Thebess
1087
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:08:23 -
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There is always a place to make free accounts ( to attract new players), but the balance will be hard as hell.
Cyno alts, mining alts, R&D alts, production slots all of this must be excluded from those accounts.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:22:47 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Samir Duran Xadi wrote:With the rate the subscription base is declining ... what? Chart of subscriber trendsI mean, I guess a constant increase in subscribers is still technically a 'negative rate of decline', but phrasing it that way is dumb. Also, really, an "Eve is dying" thread? Are you both posting through a time portal to 2008?
That chart is 2 years out of date bro. Theres a reason they haven't updated it in 2 years. |
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