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Aminari Talar
Banananah Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:28:51 -
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I would really love to know how people make the conclusion
"making eve to play will ruin it".
Do you not know that player population is the life force of a game? Posting charts with no real information if they are tracking actual characters, actual active characters, total characters etc (ie not tracking relative data) is not a way to validate your position.
In fact while we are on the topic i do not recall any game going free to play eve being hurt. Eve could easily be support by an add in the game at the character log-in. So what legitimate argument do you have?
i think a lot of you are just worried about "wow kiddies" Coming here, but let me break it to you, Subscriptions don't keep wow kiddies away if that was the case, we would not have wow today.
So will you do us all a favor and stop being idiots about it.
Lastly
Item shops that are cosmetic or convenience based are highly rewarding for the players and game, its like shopping but for your character instead of you. How is it going to hurt you if someone buys a robe to role play and ccp makes what they made off that one transaction they would of gotten in a month?
utterly redic that you think such things, and i want to be the voice that advocates against the stupidity some of you are bringing forward for this topic. |
Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404469
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:34:05 -
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Sorry but I dont want to spend more $$$ to play eve than I already do. We all know that F2P games actually cost more to play than sub based ones.
-k8
My Fanclub
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
784
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:34:07 -
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you're the only one being an idiot and ranting about f2p
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
761
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:36:29 -
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Making Eve free to play would kill it. Flat out, no question, slow and lingering death rattle kill it.
First of all, unlike other games, training in Eve is time based - time you pay for. Now I can create a character on a free account, let them train for two years and then decide to log in and play? Production alts being free to play? Well, there goes the economy. The market will look like Sisi - 1,000,000 of everything in every system and all for 100 ISK. PvP? Forget it - Every system will have 300 people in it all tyring to kill you and each other. It would be like a grand melee in the coliseum. You'd undock and explode nearly instantly - but who cares when you can buy a pimp fit Machariel for a few thousand ISK?
The game would first stagnate to levels only dreamed about during the days of the blue doughnut. Then it would fail, rapidly, uncontrollably. And on the day they turned off the servers, a final message would appear giving everyone logged in the name and address of their savior - the OP - who has released from their chains of slavery to Tranquility, our Lord and Master.
tl;dr: Eve is not like any other game. **** off. Also, no. Stop trying to kill our fun because you're a cheap bastard.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23937
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:36:30 -
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Aminari Talar wrote:i want to be the voice that advocates against the stupidity some of you are bringing forward for this topic. Then shut up, most of it is coming from you.
Eve doesn't appeal to most people because of its very premise, not the price.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
785
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:39:37 -
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Elenahina wrote:Making Eve free to play would kill it. Flat out, no question, slow and lingering death rattle kill it.
First of all, unlike other games, training in Eve is time based - time you pay for. Now I can create a character on a free account, let them train for two years and then decide to log in and play? Production alts being free to play? Well, there goes the economy. The market will look like Sisi - 1,000,000 of everything in every system and all for 100 ISK. PvP? Forget it - Every system will have 300 people in it all tyring to kill you and each other. It would be like a grand melee in the coliseum. You'd undock and explode nearly instantly - but who cares when you can buy a pimp fit Machariel for a few thousand ISK?
The game would first stagnate to levels only dreamed about during the days of the blue doughnut. Then it would fail, rapidly, uncontrollably. And on the day they turned off the servers, a final message would appear giving everyone logged in the name and address of their savior - the OP - who has released from their chains of slavery to Tranquility, our Lord and Master.
tl;dr: Eve is not like any other game. **** off. Also, no. Stop trying to kill our fun because you're a cheap bastard.
he is a game developer he should already know all this ;) if he did then this topic would have never started
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:40:06 -
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In my opinion, CCP does not even want more players into the game atm.
It seems like they do little to no advertising. I see the occasional EvE flash banner when im surfing, but i gues I would not see those if i would not bee surfing eve sites in the first place.
I live in germany, and I see TV adds for crappy F2P MMOs all the time. If they have the money to do so, why does CCP not do it ?
You can basically take the " I was there" video, shorten it a bit and put it into a TV commercial. Advertise even one week in several big countys and you should get a huge attention from people that currently dont even know that EvE exists. |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
153
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:40:12 -
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As soon as any item is sold in this game that is only bought by real money and benefits the players actual character and not some colourful skin or clothing item i am gone. I will not play any game that requires me to buy more and more items to stay competitive. I play games to win, winning is my fun, i am not playing a game where people can get items and advantages over me because i wasnt willing to mortgage my house to keep buying items.
I will never play any games that have any items that are bought only by real money.
I have also stopped buying games that are full of dlcs, it just allows games to be released half done and for the developers to charge twice as much as they would of previously.
If all games go p2w and dlc i will just go outside and get a life. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
761
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:42:38 -
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Aminari Talar wrote: Do you not know that player population is the life force of a game?
Except in Eve, it's long term players that are the life force of the game. They are the only ones who have the skills necessary to do some of things in the game, and F2P games do not encourage long term play. They're like a drug - the players are out there always on the lookout for their next fix in the form of a new game, and the old ones are left to wither and rot with a core player base that's barely large enough to keep the servers running.
Games like LOL are the exception in the F2P arena, not the rule.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
761
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:44:14 -
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Lan Wang wrote: he is a game developer he should already know all this ;) if he did then this topic would have never started
Hey, I can draw a tic-tac-toe board as well as the next guy, but that doesn't make me a game developer.
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stoicfaux
5909
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:44:55 -
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What, no hats?!?
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1991
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:45:09 -
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OP is apparently too young to remember Monoclegate. I'm sure if his idea were implemented it wouldn't be nearly as bad as that. Nope.
Also, I really dislike... no, that's too gentle of a term. I loathe the notion of someone turning EVE into the kind of cesspit that is a Minecraft public server, and that is exactly what would happen. Right up until it died.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Digits Kho
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:45:31 -
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Im sitting here wondering how much feed this troll will get |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
761
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:48:03 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:In my opinion, CCP does not even want more players into the game atm.
Players: Here CCP take our money. CCP: Nah, we're good. Thanks though.
Seriously? That's the kind of scenario you're envisioning?
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
761
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:48:51 -
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Digits Kho wrote:Im sitting here wondering how much feed this troll will get
Hopefully enough that he gets his account deleted for gross misconduct against the game.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1917
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:49:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:What, no hats?!?
For all we know, valve has a patent on "free" hats... |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
260
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:49:46 -
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You want to kill an MMO? Go FTP with MT.
I survived Win95
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Aminari Talar
Banananah Something Fishy.
6
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:51:22 -
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You guys obviously do not understand how mechanics work. How much do you think this game will climb in population with free to play? Will it surpass the 40,000 lost in the eve fires? Are you legit in telling me that eves population will peak above 110-120,000 online with it being free to play?
Where did you guys get logic from?
You realize if more people join, more people consume, and more people die right? You realize that the economy is only going to change by a variance, and will never be 1,000,000 on everything right?
Its unbelievable that you actually think such a rediculous thing.
Just saying.
On another note, if you advocate the population going up to that point, you only validated that its positive for the game.
As for "People sitting on toon training"
Rolls eyes, As if they are not already doing that. |
Aminari Talar
Banananah Something Fishy.
6
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:56:21 -
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TinkerHell wrote:As soon as any item is sold in this game that is only bought by real money and benefits the players actual character and not some colourful skin or clothing item i am gone. I will not play any game that requires me to buy more and more items to stay competitive. I play games to win, winning is my fun, i am not playing a game where people can get items and advantages over me because i wasnt willing to mortgage my house to keep buying items.
I will never play any games that have any items that are bought only by real money.
I have also stopped buying games that are full of dlcs, it just allows games to be released half done and for the developers to charge twice as much as they would of previously.
If all games go p2w and dlc i will just go outside and get a life.
you realize in some ways i can argue that everything in this game is already pay to win (by plex buy spam)
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1917
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:03:06 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:You want to kill an MMO? Go FTP with MT.
Nah they usually all survive once they go that route. They just have ditched their past aspiration because they know at that point their change of being at the top are crushed.
Many a DEV probably got fired for not building a game as good as the PR department was able to hype it... |
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404472
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:03:23 -
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So exactly how would CCP make money if they went free to play? Selling ships and modules in a cashshop? Possibly Skillpoints? Both of which go against everything that Eve is
Also I don't think the type of person that plays Eve is the same type of person that buys cosmetic items. How many ship skins do you have? I don't even see you wearing any clothes from the nex store either so dont give us **** about buying cosmetic items.
-k8
My Fanclub
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23938
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:04:25 -
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Aminari Talar wrote:You guys obviously do not understand how mechanics work. How much do you think this game will climb in population with free to play? Will it surpass the 40,000 lost in the eve fires? Are you legit in telling me that eves population will peak above 110-120,000 online with it being free to play?
Where did you guys get logic from?
You realize if more people join, more people consume, and more people die right? You realize that the economy is only going to change by a variance, and will never be 1,000,000 on everything right? Any gains from going free to pay would be short term, 90% of the people drawn in by it would leave in a matter of months due to the cutthroat nature of Eve or because the next great f2p game has been released.
Quote:Its unbelievable that you actually think such a rediculous thing.
Just saying. Pot meet kettle
Quote:you realize in some ways i can argue that everything in this game is already pay to win (by plex buy spam) Please qualify this.
In my experience most people who attempt to pay to win in Eve via PLEX invariably lose the stuff they buy and end up paying for someone else, the person who took their stuff, to win.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Anthar Thebess
1087
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:04:56 -
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Nes store?!
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1917
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:06:36 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:So exactly how would CCP make money if they went free to play? Selling ships and modules in a cashshop? Possibly Skillpoints? Both of which go against everything that Eve is
Also I don't think the type of person that plays Eve is the same type of person that buys cosmetic items. How many ship skins do you have? I don't even see you wearing any clothes from the nex store either so dont give us **** about buying cosmetic items.
He's banking on the new arrivals to not be the same kind of player as the current one so they will buy cosmetic stuff I guess.
I personally don't belive it but meh... |
Mag's
the united
19605
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:08:36 -
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Gonna have to go with no.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1991
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:15:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In my experience most people who attempt to pay to win in Eve via PLEX invariably lose the stuff they buy and end up paying for someone else, the person who took their stuff, to win.
I love those guys. Billion ISK batttlecruisers on wide eyed newbies. So hasty to protect their precious metal scraps from being stolen. So sure that they've purchased their very own "I WIN" button. So quick to lose all that bling.
Sadly, I fear that OP is actually very serious and is not trolling us at all. He actually believes this would work. And it could have worked, 12 years ago. Now, EVE is too established in how it works for such a change to have any effect that's not catastrophic in nature.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:18:09 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Nes store?! NES Store isn't pay to win, everything in there is strictly cosmetic or service orientated and offers no ingame advantage to a single character.
For example multiple character training offers no ingame advantage because it is only possible to log on one character per account.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13454
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:21:45 -
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Going free to play is the "roll over and die" of the MMO world. Furthermore, that would basically abrogate the need for Plex altogether, a huge portion of CCP's income, not to mention alienate a large portion of the existing playerbase.
Why would they **** off their existing customers merely to cater to purely theoretical ones? That would be suicide.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Aminari Talar
Banananah Something Fishy.
6
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:26:57 -
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That is not true.
The plex validity is based on the optional subscription that is being offered.
Basically, If ccp made it so that plex could allow up to all three toons to train 1 skill at a time with a stub, and an additional skill with plex, plex are still if not more equally valid and desirable. It would also allow for ways to speed up new player progression (Which so many have complained about over the years).
And this is just one example
another one is to have the stub give all characters 1 training que, and allow plex to act as the stub rate.
Another is to allow the stub to give one character two skill trains, and allow for plex to train one one the other two.
There is a mountain of options to allow plexing to still be valid. |
stoicfaux
5910
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:27:15 -
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If EVE went Free2Play, then CCP would have to implement a 5 minute skill queue to (slightly) reduce the number of alts that people would create.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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