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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:11:23 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:FT Diomedes wrote: I would also recommend adjusting it so that the meta and faction modules no longer drop. Instead, have the BPC for those items drop. Then have the build requirements for the meta or faction module require the T1 item as part of the build cost for the module.
As far as I know that's been talked about as an actual plan for the future, or some variant of it. Making T1 more valuable as a manufacturing component and tying the meta prices to the t1 modules.
Yes, please! That will be awesome!
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Luscius Uta
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:41:05 -
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Shield flux coils were the worst modules in EVE by a long margin, as there was no viable fit where they would prove useful and people who want a passive shield tank would just use shield power relays instead. In fact, shield flux coilswere so bad that I literally never seen them on any killmail (not even on those noobfits that make me lose faith in humanity - I'm talking about mixed guns, dual/triple tank and a bunch of storyline modules). Meaning that even those noobs know that those modules are (other word for feces)!
I look at the new stats and they make me wonder if the person responsible for this tiericide is actually playing EVE (I'm no fan of Fozzie, but he would do a far better work here) or has any clue about how passive shield tanking works. There was obviously no thought involved in the new stats, and that counts for rechargers and power relays as well.
Therefore, I think that shield flux coils need a complete redesign (new bonuses, penalties, or both), I'm giving few suggestions so your brain doesn't melt: -reduce cycle time or capacitor use of shield boosters -give bonus to shield resistances (since Invulnerability fields don'thave a passive variant) -change the penalty to reducing capacitor amount, but nerf the recharge bonus to be the same as on shield power relays of the same metalevel |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
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Posted - 2015.07.15 19:38:03 -
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CCP Terminus wrote: Release Plan As previously stated, these changes have no current release plan. They are unlikely to be released in the Aegis release in July, but are more likely to come out in the release after that.
There are a lot of modules in the game - at this rate, it is going to take you several decades to finish the first pass of module tiericide. You really need to be grinding through 10, 20, or more, modules per release, if you want to make any real headway - otherwise, module rebalancing cannot keep up with any ongoing ship rebalancing and will always be woefully out-of-date.
I suggest that you stop spending weeks to fine tune each module, one-by-one, to every possible ship configuration, and just work out a set of rough changes for all modules, based on the existing T2 module stats. For the first pass, focus on renaming and removing metas - leaving the T1 meta 0, T2 and faction versions, as is. This should not affect the overall game balance, yet allow you to quickly remove the excess unused metas and rename the remaining metas.
For the second pass, examine the relative T1 meta 0 vs T2 strength of each module and set a more-or-less constant ratio for all modules - with T2 perhaps 20% stronger on stats and 10% worse on fitting. Adjust the T1 meta 0 values (not the T2 version values) according to the ratio, and simply linear interpolate the meta version values between the T1 meta 0 and T2 version values - again, this should not affect the overall game balance and can be quickly done. Something similar can be done to faction versions, setting a more-or-less constant ratio, relative to the T2 versions.
The point of these two passes is to quickly adjust *all* of the modules, without upsetting overall game balance.
Effectively, at this point, the "tiericide" part would be complete and you can focus solely on rebalancing modules, which is the part which entails the most feedback from players and thus takes the most time. This should go much faster, though, since you will have already removed the excess metas and set up a new baseline of relative strengths between T1 meta 0 and T2, from which to work. |
Freelancer117
so you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:20:33 -
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Hardly anyone will use faction mods over tech 2 mods, with such a minimum difference, make them a little bit better plz
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Ms Michigan
Aviation Professionals for EVE The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.18 02:44:21 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:FT Diomedes wrote: I would also recommend adjusting it so that the meta and faction modules no longer drop. Instead, have the BPC for those items drop. Then have the build requirements for the meta or faction module require the T1 item as part of the build cost for the module.
As far as I know that's been talked about as an actual plan for the future, or some variant of it. Making T1 more valuable as a manufacturing component and tying the meta prices to the t1 modules.
As a player that started EVE in science and industry purely, - THIS
T1 usage is horrible these days and prices worse. If you want to give the indy/science people something to do (to produce more en masse/bulk), especially for hisec bro's starting out - then please implement this.
It will only help CCP control and monitor the abundance (ISK FAUCET) of minerals too and will make mining (running grav anoms) more popular and encourage people to venture into null/low/WH Space in either a permanent, semi-permanent, or ninja fashion which is better for everyone.
EVE has a huge gap trying to get players to their first MILLION ISK and then to their first billion so they can feel competent venturing out and losing ships. Most players never make that transition from newb (first 30 days) to beyond because they don't feel like there is something they can do to earn money in relative predictable results like in real life.
For those trolls that would now flame about care-bears etc etc, again, as many have countered - EVE NEEDS THEM. And they won't STAY carebears venturing out in favor of lower producing costs in null, due to the industry revamp and the SOV bonuses to mining and industry in null etc...etc...
Again - predictability....diversity.
Having players manufacture T1 for something other than the few people who are dumb enough to use it, will always be a good thing.
/Ms Michigan
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Ms Michigan
Aviation Professionals for EVE The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.18 02:46:56 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Shield flux coils were the worst modules in EVE by a long margin, as there was no viable fit where they would prove useful and people who want a passive shield tank would just use shield power relays instead. In fact, shield flux coilswere so bad that I literally never seen them on any killmail (not even on those noobfits that make me lose faith in humanity - I'm talking about mixed guns, dual/triple tank and a bunch of storyline modules). Meaning that even those noobs know that those modules are (other word for feces)!
I look at the new stats and they make me wonder if the person responsible for this tiericide is actually playing EVE (I'm no fan of Fozzie, but he would do a far better work here) or has any clue about how passive shield tanking works. There was obviously no thought involved in the new stats, and that counts for rechargers and power relays as well.
Therefore, I think that shield flux coils need a complete redesign (new bonuses, penalties, or both), I'm giving few suggestions so your brain doesn't melt: -reduce cycle time or capacitor use of shield boosters -give bonus to shield resistances (since Invulnerability fields don'thave a passive variant) -change the penalty to reducing capacitor amount, but nerf the recharge bonus to be the same as on shield power relays of the same metalevel
Agreed as well...shield flux coils and shield rechargers (anything having to do with passive shields) need some high-level DEV BRAINSTORMING.
Either GIVE US HULLS THAT GET BONUSES TO PASSIVE SHIELD RECHARGE RATE (like Minnie do to Active shield boosts)....
or
CHANGE THE MODULE.
Quit limping this one along....
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Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.19 09:28:17 -
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Wow, some incursion neckbeard has a view on this beyond "Can we haz Officer SPR plzthx"?? Amazing, but it's still a bit harsh saying Fozzie would do a better job of this.
Sizeof Void does make a good point about the need to push through with tiercides every patch. But i think he's overdoing it a bit saying it will take too long. Remember, the last MWD and AB tiercide was the second swing of the axe on those modules.
I think CCP Terminus has a difficult job with the SPR's and Flux Coils because they *are* a niche use item, and they are items which are useful only when the maths stack up. This is not true of extenders, plates, warp disruptors or EWAR modules in the same way at all. You don't get in a position where you stick enough EANM's on a Geddon and it works fine, but if you swap EANM's for Layered membranes it doesn't.
I think i've laid out the maths and the possible choices fairly efficiently, above.
Flux Coils cannot compete with SPR's. if you make hem work like an SPR more, they begin moving to compete with Rechargers. You can't make rechargers compete with SPR's by buffing them too much more, or they will begin getting out of control or invalidate SPR's entirely.
It's a three way balancing act with no real trade-offs to be made, and the optimal solution is, realistically, to drop flux coils.
Here's an interesting link to give you an idea of flux coils usefulness. In the whole of EVE, only 5 ships a day die with a flux coil on board, and of those, very few have them fitted, with many being loot. They are useless, everyone knows it, so just remove them and balance SPR's and Rechargers against each other, or change the mechanism of the module entirely to some other effect on shields, eg; an active cap to shield converter
Likewise, in the armour sphere, layered membranes are kind of in the same posiion. Only in some extreme edge cases like supers using Officer layered membranes is a raw 15% EHP bonus worth it. And even then, you probably don't even have a use because supers and titans have plenty of buffer, and reps work on resists. So, basically useless.
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allfonso Hekard
Boa Innovations Phoenix Company Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.19 20:58:38 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:FT Diomedes wrote: I would also recommend adjusting it so that the meta and faction modules no longer drop. Instead, have the BPC for those items drop. Then have the build requirements for the meta or faction module require the T1 item as part of the build cost for the module.
As far as I know that's been talked about as an actual plan for the future, or some variant of it. Making T1 more valuable as a manufacturing component and tying the meta prices to the t1 modules.
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Sodamn In-sane
Phorever People
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Posted - 2015.07.23 09:40:08 -
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really think you should fix the broken stuff in game first!. then give us pre promised changes fully before embarking on new nerfs to ship mods,i know you show the stats and lovely charts for these but in the end they will get nerfed so just bring out crap mods and leave them like they are!
if your looking for more guys to work on these projects can i suggest
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Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
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Posted - 2015.07.23 12:01:31 -
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The simple problems with these modules is that they just aren't extreme enough. They are so timid that they are not very useful.
If these modules gave really good benefits with extreme drawbacks they would become useful, although situation.
For example:
Shield Power Relays currently reduce the Shield recharge time (increase shield HP/s gained) at the cost of increased Capacitor recharge time (decrease in capacitor points per second gained). This is all good however, it's easy to get a similar end result from just maximizing your shield hitpoints and fitting PDU's instead which also increase your total shield HP, Shield HP/s and Cap recharge rate. I feel that the goal with SPR's should be to create a ship with very good shield recharge which then struggles to use any other active modules. So increase both the shield recharge bonus and the cap recharge penalty.
Shield Flux Coils currently reduce the Shield recharge time (increase shield HP/s gained) at the cost of shield hitpoints. This is a good concept however the application (via the numbers) is poor. This module should be extreme in nature in order for it to be competitive with SPR's. This would mean that SFC's would give a very fast shield recharge rate however leave the ship with very few shield HPs and so vulnerable to alpha strikes.
Would this not make these modules actually useful and give very different but also similar end results from either ? |
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
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Posted - 2015.07.23 15:50:48 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:The simple problems with these modules is that they just aren't extreme enough. They are so timid that they are not very useful.
If these modules gave really good benefits with extreme drawbacks they would become useful, although situation.
For example:
Shield Power Relays currently reduce the Shield recharge time (increase shield HP/s gained) at the cost of increased Capacitor recharge time (decrease in capacitor points per second gained). This is all good however, it's easy to get a similar end result from just maximizing your shield hitpoints and fitting PDU's instead which also increase your total shield HP, Shield HP/s and Cap recharge rate. I feel that the goal with SPR's should be to create a ship with very good shield recharge which then struggles to use any other active modules. So increase both the shield recharge bonus and the cap recharge penalty.
Shield Flux Coils currently reduce the Shield recharge time (increase shield HP/s gained) at the cost of shield hitpoints. This is a good concept however the application (via the numbers) is poor. This module should be extreme in nature in order for it to be competitive with SPR's. This would mean that SFC's would give a very fast shield recharge rate however leave the ship with very few shield HPs and so vulnerable to alpha strikes.
Would this not make these modules actually useful and give very different but also similar end results from either ?
its kind of indicative of CCP in general is too make tiny barely noticeable changes a dozen times (looks at still OP ishtar in particular) instead of 1 or 2 well thought out big changes.
Tech 3's need to be multi-role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 slots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster eagle worth using
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Bobb Bobbington
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.25 15:27:05 -
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So, which modules are getting merged into one another, and how do you tell? |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
69
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:48:50 -
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I use passive shield tanking for PVE and have been following this thread with interest.
I like the changes to the Meta variants of the power relays - a clear choice between CPU and capacitor and a meaningful difference. I do not like the change to the T2. It either needs to be better to justify the substantially higher fitting requirement or leave it as is. Leaving the T2 alone would widen the difference to the faction but the Caldari still seems under powered given the likely price premium.
I'll join the chorus calling for elimination or a complete rethink of the flux coils - trading shield capacity for regen doesn't work. I've tried to think of an alternative - capacitor capacity for shield capacity gives an interesting option to the power relays but I'm not sure how well it would work.
I'll also agree that the shield rechargers are quite useless in their current form. With all the wonderful options available for my mid-slots, why would I pick a shield recharger? As a test, I removed one of the two LSE's on my passively tanked Gila and replaced it with a shield recharger II - my passive regen dropped from 341 dps with the second extender to 274 dps with the recharger!
What might work is combining the flux coil and the recharger into a low slot module with higher fitting requirements and a lower bonus than the power relay but with no drawback.
Not sure what my Beta Reactor Control Shield Power relays are going to turn into but I bought a few Type-D at ridiculously low prices - obviously a lot of people not reading this thread!
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2015.08.07 00:39:24 -
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The Shield Flux Coils can work, they just need to be worth it. Losing that many shield hitpoints is not acceptable if you can get the same gains by instead losing capacitor (on a passive fit). The Shield Flux Coil is only worth using if it outdoes the Shield Power Relay.
As for Shield Rechargers... delete. Not every stat needs to have a corresponding module in mid and low slots.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2015.08.07 05:07:21 -
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On a side note. Why can we not mix active and passive shield tanking, in such a way that both "sustainable DPS" and "peak boosting" become relevant? It is because we have Shield Boost Amplifiers on one hand, and Shield Rechargers on the other.
Leading to (I speak for myself) me not using either. I always have something better to do with my precious mids than to fit a boost amplifier or a recharger -- in fact I'm hard pressed to find any free mids for tank so it boils down to either an ancillary booster or a shield extender. (active or buffer). I do not know where you guys find these free mids, but I'm looking at Scram, Web, Propmod and maybe a Tracking computer/Dampener/Whatever useful and unique module I fancy. MAYBE.
That's three - four midslots and I haven't even fitted ANY tank yet. With a bit of luck I have 1 more midslots for tank. Ancillary booster of course, or maybe a shield extender. Most certainly no regular Shield Booster because that would require a Cap Booster (also a midslot) for sure. MWD and tackle ate all my cap. And if I drop my EWAR module/tracking computer, I might even fit an adaptive invul.
A passive regen tank, however, can only be achieved by tossing EVERYTHING out the window -- forget about long/shortpoint, webs, computers, target painters; and forget about your gyrostabs too. Because EVERYTHING has to make way for an endless pile of small percentages leading eventually up to the ability to passively tank some DPS. Congratulations! Your ship is now completely useless.
I do declare: one can either fit buffer/resist (with logistics) or an ancillary (skirmish) tank. Anything else is plain rubbish that ends up on the wrong end of the killmail, utterly incapable of defending itself against anything except NPC rats.
....now, imagine what could happen if a Shield Boost amplifier not only assisted in active boosting, but also granted a de facto shield recharge rate bonus? Perhaps every once in a blue moon, somebody would actually fit a boost amplifier rather than a shield extender? And let's go completely nuts and picture for awhile a lowslot equivalent that would buff shield (both passive AND active) recharge rate whilst taking a bit off the buffer; all of a sudden, active tankers might even appreciate a flux coil!
I can see our Devs are struggling with a serious dilemma. A module that nobody uses; a module even they can't figure out what good it could possibly do or why anyone who did the math would fit it; yet the artwork is there, the items are on the market ... what to do with them? Well, fear not! Brokk solved it for you (donate any amount of ISK you deem appropriate). People active tank for a reason; and having several shield-related items that are not worthwhile unless fitting at least 10 of them in every low and mid you can muster, is a bad idea. Equally poor is the notion I would choose a Shield Boost Amplifier over a -30% all-round resist. Now, I don't know what you guys usually fly but where I come from, I simply don't have that number of slots to waste on tank. I can fit the one or the other, but not everything at the same time goddamnit!
These items need a serious kick in the nuts to ensure that sacrificing a few slots yields tangible results. ALL of them is too high a price to pay. And so that we're clear: if it cuts my DPS or competes with necessary mids, it'd better be good. Not good "in combination with a couple of invulns and two or three shield extenders" -- nope: good in its own right. |
Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels FETID
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Posted - 2015.08.07 07:25:15 -
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I feel the modules that effect passive shield regeneration are just not attractive anymore simply because they are far too timid. These modules should be fairly extreme in there bonuses and drawbacks to be attractive alternatives.
Shield Power Relays
These modules are not far off the mark however increasing the shield Regeneration Bonus and the Cap Recharge Penalty would make them a more attractive module to fit. This way you end up with a strong shield regeneration but absolutely no capacitor recharge to support active modules like hardeners and propulsion.
Shield Flux Coils
These should be the mother of all "extreme" modules. This module should increase your shield recharge dramatically however the penalty to shield amount should also be dramatic. This way you end up with a shield tank that recharges very very fast however, it has very few hitpoints to survive a heavy alpha strike.
Shield Re chargers.
These modules are problematic in that they are essentially just "extra" to shield power relays. They are used currently to stack on top of SPR's to buff their usage which removes the rest of the ships utility. I would suggest redesigning Shield Re Chargers to change the way the shield recharge mechanics actually work. Currently, maximum shield recharge rate occurs at 25% shield capacity. Shield rechargers could increase this to a higher level and increase the gap between "max shield recharge" and "shields broken". Currently, if you break a passive shield tank (I think this happens at around 15-20%) the passive recharge drops. If shield rechargers increased the point at which max regeneration occured it would create a "safer" passive shield tank.
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commander aze
Sub--Zero
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Posted - 2015.08.19 22:39:24 -
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No love for armor?
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Shields are already easy to use in my opinion even too easy and overpowered. Considering the down sides armor recieves when it comes to speed/mass and not passively recharging... in addition to the shield boost amp of which armor doesnt have an equivalent. ..
Its ok im sure we can get to armor at some point in time...
Or fix amarr ships so that they can fire guns and use reps... the revelation. .. one day it will be of use
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
252
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Posted - 2015.08.19 23:42:25 -
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commander aze wrote:No love for armor?
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Shields are already easy to use in my opinion even too easy and overpowered. Considering the down sides armor recieves when it comes to speed/mass and not passively recharging... in addition to the shield boost amp of which armor doesnt have an equivalent. ..
Its ok im sure we can get to armor at some point in time...
Or fix amarr ships so that they can fire guns and use reps... the revelation. .. one day it will be of use Armour has three types of resistance modules. Four if you count the RAH. Shields only have two.
Armour's second buffering module (Layering Membrane) is better than the shield's (PDS).
Armour is fine. You just don't know how to use it. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.20 13:36:32 -
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Can't they just un-link regen from buffer size and re-adjust regen value for some ship if needed? That would prevent the coils from being so self defeating. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3260
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Posted - 2015.08.20 16:25:08 -
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Is this not happening in Galatea?
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
10
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Posted - 2015.08.20 18:41:59 -
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I'll just join the chorus and and say that if I EFT a ship and it includes a shield flux or a shield recharger I know I did something wrong. The shield flux just don't pay off when you consider that max shield hp is so important so you don't get knocked past your max recharge point, and shield rechargers are just very weak for the bonus they provide and you should fiddle with your fit until you can get a hardener or another extender before using one. |
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
13
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Posted - 2015.08.29 13:03:42 -
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All those modules consume too many capacitors and give light renforcement without counterpart. Anyone who know how it works will choose the offensive way by fitting dps, and to skill the ship, to skill the hull and to skill the natural armor despite the shielding. therefore the shielding is only good for all drones.
Some exception can be provide by some fregateers inside some records from burners missions. But it implies certificates 5 for all aspect of one type of fregate. |
Arthur Aihaken
Chig
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Posted - 2015.08.30 11:47:59 -
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Any idea when the tentative release date for these is?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.08.30 14:19:56 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Leading to (I speak for myself) me not using either. I always have something better to do with my precious mids than to fit a boost amplifier or a recharger -- in fact I'm hard pressed to find any free mids for tank so it boils down to either an ancillary booster or a shield extender. (active or buffer). I do not know where you guys find these free mids, but I'm looking at Scram, Web, Propmod and maybe a Tracking computer/Dampener/Whatever useful and unique module I fancy. MAYBE.
That's three - four midslots and I haven't even fitted ANY tank yet. With a bit of luck I have 1 more midslots for tank. Ancillary booster of course, or maybe a shield extender. Most certainly no regular Shield Booster because that would require a Cap Booster (also a midslot) for sure. MWD and tackle ate all my cap. And if I drop my EWAR module/tracking computer, I might even fit an adaptive invul.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2015.08.30 15:01:45 -
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Your point? Fail lachesis is supposed to convince me of anything?
Edit: "fail" in the sense that your Recon is supposed to fit EWAR / bonused points. Yours does not. Obviously you have free mids under those circumstances -- because you're abusing the vessel's purpose. |
Media freak
His Majesty's Privateers Warden.
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Posted - 2015.08.30 15:28:17 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Your point? Fail lachesis is supposed to convince me of anything?
Edit: "fail" in the sense that your Recon is supposed to fit EWAR / bonused points. Yours does not. Obviously you have free mids under those circumstances -- because you're abusing the vessel's purpose.
Warp Scrambler II
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
16
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Posted - 2015.08.30 17:14:35 -
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Look, I'll humour you one more time. Guy links a recon, with lots of mids. Guy has a shortpoint - great. Don't we all? Did I not say so in my own post?
What I fail to see, is WHY he links this Lachesis, what he's trying to prove or what it has to do with anything.
Random guy was also rude in a 17 yo fashion, so I didn't feel a need to elaborate or put any genuine effort in replying. The fact he has to come up with a recon already proves the point: most vessels do not have sufficient mids to make use of multiple stacked shield modules to finally make it work. It took him no less than 4 (four!) mids to fit his tank, on top of a rig and a capbooster (another mid) just to resolve the cap issues. And this is supposed to invalidate my point about ancillary boosters? This is supposed to invalidate the fact you need more than 4 mids to have any shield tanking options at all?
I didn't think so.
What I'm looking at, is an expensive close-range brawler -- with AB and no web I might add, so quite vulnerable to being tackled and shot by a T1 cruiser / interceptor himself. I called fail at first glace and I call fail now.
He certainly sounds awfully sure about both his fitting skills and his manhood, but showing me a fit with 4-5 mids dedicated to tank, 2 rigs also dedicated to tank on a 200 mil recon to do a T1 cruiser's job only serves to illustrate the case I presented earlier. I guess I should thank him for that. |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
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Posted - 2015.08.31 20:42:04 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Any idea when the tentative release date for these is? It looks like CCP has dropped the ball on Module Tiericide.
There has been no dev response on this thread for 6 weeks, and it has been over two months since they supposedly started work on rebalancing shield rechargers et al. Even allowing for player feedback, this set of changes should have taken only a couple of weeks, at most, to finish up - it requires no code changes nor graphics changes; just a few simple changes to the database.
And, there have been no dev posts for Module Tiericide changes to other modules, afaik
I think that CCP needs a release schedule for Module Tiericide - there are a lot of modules in the game which still need work and CCP hasn't even gotten to the tougher ones yet. If they can't push out at least one set of Module Tiericide changes per each release, it is going to take decades to get done... if ever. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Sizeof Void wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Any idea when the tentative release date for these is? It looks like CCP has dropped the ball on Module Tiericide. There has been no dev response on this thread for 6 weeks, and it has been over two months since they supposedly started work on rebalancing shield rechargers et al. Even allowing for player feedback, this set of changes should have taken only a couple of weeks, at most, to finish up - it requires no code changes nor graphics changes; just a few simple changes to the database. And, there have been no dev posts for Module Tiericide changes to other modules, afaik I think that CCP needs a release schedule for Module Tiericide - there are a lot of modules in the game which still need work and CCP hasn't even gotten to the tougher ones yet. If they can't push out at least one set of Module Tiericide changes per each release, it is going to take decades to get done... if ever.
They put in a new SOV system and made tweaks to it while going through the traditional vacation period. Could it possibly have affected the release of tiericide on some mods who are arguably in need of some redesign anyway? |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.01 20:43:37 -
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Since when is using a Lach as heavy tackle not using it's strengths? Last I checked it got a bonus to range on Warp Scram and Disrupters. |
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