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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:08:52
Revelations, Chapter 1 Deployment on Tuesday, 28 Nov at 0200
Tranquility will have an extended downtime, Tuesday 28 November, running for 24 hours from 02:00 in the morning to 02:00 GMT Wednesday for the deployment of Revelations, Chapter I, the free expansion to EVE Online. Revelations features many improvements, new features, content and a wealth of optimizations and fixes both to server and client. Detailed patch notes and a features page will be available shortly.
This is all well and good, but i really dont like this being called free - because it isnt - in fact its quite offensive to call it free. The game is designed to keep people playing and paying for as long as humanly possible, the time we have waited for something new is payment enough. With the mention of money in this announcement it makes me wonder whether the next chapter is going to be free or not. Perhaps a more sensative vetting process on public announcements should be undertaken.
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:11:00 -
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It is an expansion that you don't pay money for. Hence it is free.
Content patches of this size and type did not really become an industry standard until a few years ago. Prior to that time, significant expansions to most MMORPGs were done via expansion packs which you were charged extra for.
CCP have never charged for any of the expansions. All they ever charge is the basic, reasonable, monthly fee for the game.
Now go have some cheese. You people are never happy.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: St Dragon
Lol what an inbred whiner.
I find your post quite offensive. I went to Norfolk once, and there were some very nice people there, who I wouldn't dream of associating with the OP.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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It is a free expansion. You are paying no more to have the game expanded than to play without it expanded.
If you want a not free expansion, try here. There, you pay the monthly fee AND for the expansion.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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Lol what an inbred whiner.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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Precisely, weve already payed for the expansion, whats the point in saying its free - money we have been paying has kept eve goin, its because of the cash injections they are able to offer something new. it isnt a free expansion its what we have all been waiting and paying for for a long time
do not refer to me as "you people" you have no idea, i beleive you are haveing delusions of adequacy.
i have some cheese left if your interested?
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:20:40
A forum full of crowd pleasers.
My point is valid - your point that im an inbred whiner is not.
you make it a difficult subject, but im still gonna talk about it
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:19:00 -
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well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
What that dosent make any sense - you either update or you dont play, you woudl ahve to be an idiot to think you have the option to update
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
What that dosent make any sense - you either update or you dont play, you would have to be an idiot to think you have the option to update
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:24:00 -
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Well, maybe you didnt notice, Scsiborg, but that part about the whiner wasn't the only part posted against your whi... erm statement. Most (if not all) other MMORPGS charge extra for their expansions. Examples are WoW, Camelot, Anarchy Online and many others. CCP adds new content and keeps evolving their game without charging in addition to the monthly fee you are paying.
Actually, this fact is nothing you can discuss. It's a simle fact.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:24:00 -
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oh shut up.
It's a free major expansion, where most other mmo's upgrade the entire game and then charge you another ú15. CCP have said from day one that they won't charge for expansions.
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Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
What that dosent make any sense - you either update or you dont play, you woudl ahve to be an idiot to think you have the option to update
You pay a monthly fee.
You get to play the game.
You also get your expansion, for no more money.
Compare and contrast to most MMOs on the market (for example, WoW and the Burning Crusade):
You pay a monthly fee.
You get to play the game.
If you want new stuff, you pay more ON TOP.
If you can't work this out by now, you are so naive regarding this it isn't worth talking explaining further. This will be my last on-topic post in the thread.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:29:28
I obviously under estimated how delud..."attached" you all were to the game.
Its a fair point im making - other games have more than one main server, other games give you the option to update or not - eve, you have to update... or stop playing.
now is that so hard a concept to grasp? - eve fundamentaly is not like other games
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:27:00 -
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Oh ok, right. So if Kali wasn't coming out then we weren't paying just to play RMR this whole time? 
What's your beef anyway? Woke up today with nothing real to complain about?
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:30:00 -
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The only thing worth posting now would be a big insult. But since thats not allowed and far to low, we should simple stop that thread here. You have shown to be fixed, no matter wha facts are shon.
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Malus NalJa'ka
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Whine whine whine whine whine
Fixed !!
And no, we did not 'pay' for the expansion, we 'paid' for continuous service and maintenance of servers, a persistant universe and regular events.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
I obviously under estimated how delud..."attached" you all were to the game.
Its a fair point im making - other games have more than one main server, other games give you the option to update or not - eve, you have to update... or stop playing.
now is that so hard a concept to grasp? - eve isnt fundamentaly is not like other games
Yes, you have to update. For example, I have an internet connection. I pay for it every month. A while back, it got upgraded. I still pay for it every month. I pay the same amount. I considered the upgrade free.
I did not phone up my ISP screaming "YOU BASTARDS! WHY DID YOU UPGRADE MY BROADBAND? CAN'T YOU SEE, I'M PAYING YOU! THAT MEANS I PAID FOR THIS UPGRADE, WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. OMG RIPOFF!"
And yeah, looks like I lied about not posting more 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:35:00 -
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Talk to a WoW Player who is about to shell out $40, if he/she wants to get the upcoming expansion pack and ask them if they would consider the EvE Patch "Free".
By highlighting the word "Free", a distinction is being drawn between a load of development work that is not going to be charged for seperately ( Although obviously paid for by subs), versus a $40 punch in the face. This is an attractive feature of this game and keeps alot of non-whiney players playing.
You owe me 100 million isk for the two minutes that you've wasted. I am offended by your offence.
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:37:00 -
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Well it's hard not to reply and be a part of to today's 'POINTLESS THREAD OF THE DAY'.
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Wotar
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
oh shut up.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:42:00 -
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Some of you need to see past your own egos, i wasnt after any of your "comedy" i was simply making a point that it is not free and saying so is wrong.
your arguments that you are paying for support and uptime blah blah blah, dosent do much for your argument, simply put - if ccp dont keep changing they will lose business - this is a business. we are all contributing to it, it dosent conform to other games because it far more centralised.
Some of your flippant comments dont my my point less valid - now do try to reply with an ounce of decency - or dont bother at all.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:43:00 -
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Most MMORPGs charge money for expansions.
EVE Online doesn't.
Thus it is free. 
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Johnny Rook
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Rook on 24/11/2006 16:45:42
Originally by: Scsiborg
Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:20:40
My point is valid - your point that im an inbred whiner is not.
I'm failing to find any flaw the point he made.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:45:00 -
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Scsiborg, your "point" is completely invalid and you refuse to listen to others explain why it's so.
With Asheron's Call you'd pay for the game, monthly, and the Dark Legacy or whatever the expansion was called.
For WoW you'd pay for the game, monthly, and the Burning Crusade Expansion.
For Star Wars Galaxies you'd pay for the game, monthly, and Jump To Light Speed, and Ewoks Gone Wild and Trials of Obi Wan and.. and...
For City of Hereos you'd pay for the game, monthly, and City of Villians.
For Guild Wars you'd pay for the game, but not monthy, but than for Nightfall and the Factions.
For Everquest 2 you'd pay for the game, monthly, bi-monthly adventure packs, bi-yearly expansions.
For EVE Online you paid $5 for the game... and monthly. Yet you get as much or more content added as all those other games + retail expansions.
How can you not see that EVE's "expansions" are "free"? Castor, Exodus, Cold War, Red Moon Rising, Bloodlines, Revelations, Kali, TotalHellDeath.. all free. All included in your monthy subscription which is actually less than most other MMOs.
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:29:28
I obviously under estimated how delud..."attached" you all were to the game.
Its a fair point im making - other games have more than one main server, other games give you the option to update or not - eve, you have to update... or stop playing.
now is that so hard a concept to grasp? - eve fundamentaly is not like other games
I would say that expansions by nature are designed to guarantee revenue streams and entice new players. The difference is that in "Other Games" 90% of the old content has been chewed up by the time a new expansion comes out. If a toon is to advance, one must buy the expansion pack. In EvE, my character falls behind 6 months on content that I will never have the time to enjoy or even try out, in addition to the content that I never got around to trying out from the last expansion.
I am OK with "Free".
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:49:00 -
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Screw it, no point in arguing. He's beyond reason.
Just sit back and wait until he tries to explain that buses don't actually move, and then makes himself a burden on the NHS.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Strangely Brown
Cult of the Purple Wolf
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Some of your flippant comments dont my my point less valid - now do try to reply with an ounce of decency - or dont bother at all.
Probably because your point couldn't be any less valid.
IT IS FREE
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:50:00 -
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your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
for those that are havign difficulty EVE IS DIFFERENT, it cannot be compared to other games.
its completely centralised. OF course they cant charge you for a f****** expansion! its not like guild wars where you could keep playing the original - it not like anything.
you say im not listening! i must have said it 3 times
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:54:00 -
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They call it an expansion - ok, new features, better everything - thats not my argument.
its a replacement really, is it not?
i hope you all enjoy for "free" expansion
*shakes head*
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