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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:36:00 -
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name one other mmog with only one server
 Originally by: Xelios
Originally by: Scsiborg
I think im gonna go buy a magazine - with something free stuck to the fton of it.
i wonder if that will affect the overall cost? hmm
Compare the monthly subscription in EVE to that of other MMOGs, I think you'll notice it's the industry average. How many other MMOG's provide regular content expansions at no extra charge?
Your argument is flawed.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
By one server, I assume you mean one shard, as EVE has over 200 servers IIRC.
I can't name any off the top of my head, but there are a number of smaller MMORPGs with one shard.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:39:00 -
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my point exactly
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
By one server, I assume you mean one shard, as EVE has over 200 servers IIRC.
I can't name any off the top of my head, but there are a number of smaller MMORPGs with one shard.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
my point exactly
Your point that EVE isn't the only MMORPG with only one shard?
But how does that even relate to this thread?
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/11/2006 17:44:04
Originally by: Scsiborg
we have already payed for this expansion.
thanks
Two quotes from the EULA:
Quote:
4. SUBSCRIPTION FEES AND PAYMENT TERMS
After the Trial Period, you are required to pay a subscription fee to maintain your Account, access the System and play EVEÖ. ...
That is what you pay for.
Content patches are mentioned later:
Quote:
E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the
EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software
at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. Periodically, CCP will require all users to migrate to new releases of the Software in
order to continue accessing the System and playing EVEÖ. You will be informed when a new release is available and will have a period of time
in which to procure and install the new release. You must install and use the new release before the period of time has lapsed to continue
accessing the System and playing EVEÖ. If you fail to install the new release when required, CCP shall not be responsible in any way for your
inability to access the System or play EVEÖ, and you shall not be entitled to receive a refund of any prepaid subscription fees or any other
form of compensation. New releases could be offered to you at a discounted price.
As I see it, you are arguing about the little word 'free', but you have nothing in your hands except the feeling that it isn't free and that you have paid for it.
But who cares ? They can also write non-free imho. As long as I can download it and play without paying for it now, they can write waht they want. 
CTD/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
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Sanctioner
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:49:00 -
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Well after so many threads of people that make them win EvE it's good to finally have someone lose it :)
As for games on one shard:
Time of Defiance
Project Visitor
Entropia Universe
I could continue..
You pay a subscription for the game, you don't pay extra for the expansion, thus it's free.
If it wasn't free you'd have to pay for the expansion on top of the subscription.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:49:00 -
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This topic is obviously flamebait.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Scsiborg
my point exactly
Your point that EVE isn't the only MMORPG with only one shard?
But how does that even relate to this thread?
I think he is under the impression that on other MMOs, they run seperate shards for different levels of expandedness.
Honestly, when his argument is a trainwreck like this, I think it's somewhat unfair to ask for his points to be related.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Adoro
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:08:52
Revelations, Chapter 1 Deployment on Tuesday, 28 Nov at 0200
Tranquility will have an extended downtime, Tuesday 28 November, running for 24 hours from 02:00 in the morning to 02:00 GMT Wednesday for the deployment of Revelations, Chapter I, the free expansion to EVE Online. Revelations features many improvements, new features, content and a wealth of optimizations and fixes both to server and client. Detailed patch notes and a features page will be available shortly.
This is all well and good, but i really dont like this being called free - because it isnt - in fact its quite offensive to call it free. The game is designed to keep people playing and paying for as long as humanly possible, the time we have waited for something new is payment enough. With the mention of money in this announcement it makes me wonder whether the next chapter is going to be free or not. Perhaps a more sensative vetting process on public announcements should be undertaken.
/me checks ingame employment history of Scsiborg...
What you know? Hardly played the game
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
Second Life
Project Entropia
A Tale in the Desert
Oh wait, you asked for one 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:13:00 -
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This one happend last time.
I agree with you man.
fact is, the paying customer... aka me has kept them in development (aka work) for the last 3 years.
Without that moola to continue to innovate the product and attract new subsribers.... they would be sunk, game would die... so obviously it's as in as much as their interest as yours.... why i saw it as patronising last time about as this....
typical cynical move on ccp part though....in the real world.... most companies threw away the patronising statements a couple of years ago in favour of promoting there positions and products in a fore front and getting consumers to attenuate to that strengh... ccp still read old copy.. not that it matters given there audience though in reality....
Face value it's free, but anybody with more than two brain cells can see through the skin deep.
As for the it's free here, not there.
Think about it, do you realy think ccp could afford to take the risk of losing a substantial part of there subscription base..
Eve is small in comparision to many other mmo's.... they can afford to lose charging for expansions.
I don't think eve could... im 50/50 on it.. but i think if they thought that they could hold the number of subs up with charging for an expansion.. im sure they would.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 18:19:06
Originally by: Galk
EVE is small in comparision to many other mmo's.... they can afford to lose charging for expansions.
Anarchy Online has proved you wrong quite effectively... 
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Eve is small in comparision to many other mmo's.... they can afford to lose charging for expansions.
I don't think eve could... im 50/50 on it.. but i think if they thought that they could hold the number of subs up with charging for an expansion.. im sure they would.
Out of interest, do you think the other MMOs on the market lose money on charging for expansions? Why do you think CCP would? 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
Second Life
Project Entropia
A Tale in the Desert
Oh wait, you asked for one
Perhaps he should have added the qualifier "good" to his request.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:16:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
Second Life
Project Entropia
A Tale in the Desert
Oh wait, you asked for one
Perhaps he should have added the qualifier "good" to his request.
Touche, but given my opinions of most the MMOs on the market, I wouldn't be able to come up with a very long list at all, even of sharded ones
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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D liver
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:20:00 -
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OP - Please change the thread title to "My girlfrind is gone and I have no one to browbeat, so please let me demonstrate my junior-high debate skills on a non-topic so I can feel superior".
It would save a number of us time from clicking on the thread. Thanks!
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X ChaosX
Trogdor the Burninator Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:24:00 -
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Wow, I'm suprised that there are 3 pages of people trying to explain to an idiot that you don't pay anything extra for the expansion.
Now- 15$ a month
After Revalation- 15$ a month
See??? No extra money is being paid.
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
Touche, but given my opinions of most the MMOs on the market, I wouldn't be able to come up with a very long list at all, even of sharded ones
I'd be in agreement with that assessment. :)
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Hek Arris
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:22:00 -
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The OP is entirely right. EVE is different and only has one server and that's why the expansion that you don't have a choice to download is not really free. Cuz you have to download it OR STOP PLAYING!!!! And it's different! Not free!!!! No one understands him!!!!!!
Yep, it all makes sense.
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Plymer Ization
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:48:00 -
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You seem to be complaining that you have to download something to keep playing... get better internet?
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:58:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Redpants on 24/11/2006 20:01:57
I haven't replied since the first page but the solid argument and inescapable point of the OP has sunk in. He cannot be more right. How can we be so blind, or stupid as he put it? Not only is the new update not free, but I am now convinced that it's expensive and overpriced.
In fact I demand that CCP halt the new engine coming down the pipe. That's a total rip off to us customers. How dare you rebuild this game from the ground up and force us to update to it? Robbers!
BTW, the thread title says to pause for a thought...but where's the thought?
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:15:00 -
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After suffering a massive decline in my IQ from reading the OP and his many replies, I think I begin to see what he's getting at. Bear with me, please.
Eve is not a free game. I think we can all agree to this, since we pay upwards of $15/month to play.
Ergo everything that's in the game is paid for and not free.
From here his arguments fall apart, because he doesn't seem to get the difference between Eve and most other MMOGs, i.e. that when you get a big update that changes the name/adds a new one, you have to PAY for it with almost every other game out there.
So there's a big disconnect between his idea of "free" and everyone elses'.
So let's put it this way. In Eve, you don't have to pay EXTRA for new content, but it's not "free".
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
sigh* forget it.
dont let your mind wonder - its too small to be let out on its own.
Forget it - ur all a bunch of "followers"
Originally by: Sam Browne
Originally by: Scsiborg
your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
Er, isn't that a choice right there? See it? (It's behind you!)
Some folk are so dense they cause light to bend.
you sir, scare me.
Congratulations you just made the "stupid post of the day on" RLMMO.com
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:10:00 -
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panties in a bunch over Revelations coming in and ruining his RMR fun.
let me ask: Why do you NOT want Revelations over RMR?
New stuff is always good
*finishes feeding the troll*
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cordy
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.26 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: cordy on 26/11/2006 06:53:57
I believe where hes comming from tho. This is a reply to what he somewhere said in all the other posts.With guildwars (best way to explain it) if you buy the factions cd you can play factions, when nightfall came out you have a choice to play it or not. You either keep playing factions over and over or you expand with buying nightfall.
I think he wants to say that with eve no matter what you need to upgrade or you cant play. Whenever there is a new patch out you need to dl it or you have an incompatible eve client and cant play eve. With other games you can just play what you have installed already, not sure what it has to do with money tho since expansions in eve are free, granted you turn in a day of not playing but from what i know during my almost three years of playing eve they will compensate that in the long run. Scisborg just relax dont break your head over it and enjoy the expansion. The only thing that its gonna costs you is the time to dl it when comming out
Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
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Pham Sirge
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:33:00 -
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Hi Scsiborg,
Seriously cancel you eve account now.
Unplug your computer and smash it into little bits.
You have created a thread and then proceeded to argue with everyone over if an expansion is free if it is included with a monthly fee. Honestly did you wake up this morning and think "I want to look like a fool by arguing over semantics"?
A box is a chair unless you choose not to sit on it.
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<VTIL> Pham Sirge
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 26/11/2006 08:01:13
Well,the Op has a point...sorta.
We wont be paying in cash for it but we are certainly paying for it on the forums... |
Jon Draconus
Just-fun
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:01:00 -
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God I hope this guy isn't a breeder. His unwavering logic compels me to pour bleach in the gene pool.
Originally by: Wrangler
- We will kill one minmatar baby, on the hour, every hour... and maybe an extra one if we get hungry!
Ah, brings back memories of my family BBQ's.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
Edited by: Soporo on 26/11/2006 08:01:13
Well,the Op has a point...sorta.
We wont be paying in cash for it but we are certainly paying for it on the forums...
Originally by: Big Al
Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:26:00 -
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I actually have a funny feeling that this guy is Going Commando, but with elocution lessons under his belt.
There will be no survivors now that i'm around  - Xorus
pwnt - Immy
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