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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:08:52
Revelations, Chapter 1 Deployment on Tuesday, 28 Nov at 0200
Tranquility will have an extended downtime, Tuesday 28 November, running for 24 hours from 02:00 in the morning to 02:00 GMT Wednesday for the deployment of Revelations, Chapter I, the free expansion to EVE Online. Revelations features many improvements, new features, content and a wealth of optimizations and fixes both to server and client. Detailed patch notes and a features page will be available shortly.
This is all well and good, but i really dont like this being called free - because it isnt - in fact its quite offensive to call it free. The game is designed to keep people playing and paying for as long as humanly possible, the time we have waited for something new is payment enough. With the mention of money in this announcement it makes me wonder whether the next chapter is going to be free or not. Perhaps a more sensative vetting process on public announcements should be undertaken.
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:11:00 -
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It is an expansion that you don't pay money for. Hence it is free.
Content patches of this size and type did not really become an industry standard until a few years ago. Prior to that time, significant expansions to most MMORPGs were done via expansion packs which you were charged extra for.
CCP have never charged for any of the expansions. All they ever charge is the basic, reasonable, monthly fee for the game.
Now go have some cheese. You people are never happy.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: St Dragon
Lol what an inbred whiner.
I find your post quite offensive. I went to Norfolk once, and there were some very nice people there, who I wouldn't dream of associating with the OP.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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It is a free expansion. You are paying no more to have the game expanded than to play without it expanded.
If you want a not free expansion, try here. There, you pay the monthly fee AND for the expansion.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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Lol what an inbred whiner.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:16:00 -
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Precisely, weve already payed for the expansion, whats the point in saying its free - money we have been paying has kept eve goin, its because of the cash injections they are able to offer something new. it isnt a free expansion its what we have all been waiting and paying for for a long time
do not refer to me as "you people" you have no idea, i beleive you are haveing delusions of adequacy.
i have some cheese left if your interested?
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:20:40
A forum full of crowd pleasers.
My point is valid - your point that im an inbred whiner is not.
you make it a difficult subject, but im still gonna talk about it
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:19:00 -
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well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
What that dosent make any sense - you either update or you dont play, you woudl ahve to be an idiot to think you have the option to update
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
What that dosent make any sense - you either update or you dont play, you would have to be an idiot to think you have the option to update
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:24:00 -
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Well, maybe you didnt notice, Scsiborg, but that part about the whiner wasn't the only part posted against your whi... erm statement. Most (if not all) other MMORPGS charge extra for their expansions. Examples are WoW, Camelot, Anarchy Online and many others. CCP adds new content and keeps evolving their game without charging in addition to the monthly fee you are paying.
Actually, this fact is nothing you can discuss. It's a simle fact.
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Sensor Error
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:24:00 -
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oh shut up.
It's a free major expansion, where most other mmo's upgrade the entire game and then charge you another ú15. CCP have said from day one that they won't charge for expansions.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
well ... older players know that such updates are for free.
newer players that never experienced such a fundamental update (think the last one was RMR allmost 10month ago) are likely to be used to pay for content expansions. so the explicit mentioning of "the free expansion to EVE online".
What that dosent make any sense - you either update or you dont play, you woudl ahve to be an idiot to think you have the option to update
You pay a monthly fee.
You get to play the game.
You also get your expansion, for no more money.
Compare and contrast to most MMOs on the market (for example, WoW and the Burning Crusade):
You pay a monthly fee.
You get to play the game.
If you want new stuff, you pay more ON TOP.
If you can't work this out by now, you are so naive regarding this it isn't worth talking explaining further. This will be my last on-topic post in the thread.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:29:28
I obviously under estimated how delud..."attached" you all were to the game.
Its a fair point im making - other games have more than one main server, other games give you the option to update or not - eve, you have to update... or stop playing.
now is that so hard a concept to grasp? - eve fundamentaly is not like other games
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:27:00 -
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Oh ok, right. So if Kali wasn't coming out then we weren't paying just to play RMR this whole time? 
What's your beef anyway? Woke up today with nothing real to complain about?
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:30:00 -
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The only thing worth posting now would be a big insult. But since thats not allowed and far to low, we should simple stop that thread here. You have shown to be fixed, no matter wha facts are shon.
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Malus NalJa'ka
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Whine whine whine whine whine
Fixed !!
And no, we did not 'pay' for the expansion, we 'paid' for continuous service and maintenance of servers, a persistant universe and regular events.
Malus out
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
I obviously under estimated how delud..."attached" you all were to the game.
Its a fair point im making - other games have more than one main server, other games give you the option to update or not - eve, you have to update... or stop playing.
now is that so hard a concept to grasp? - eve isnt fundamentaly is not like other games
Yes, you have to update. For example, I have an internet connection. I pay for it every month. A while back, it got upgraded. I still pay for it every month. I pay the same amount. I considered the upgrade free.
I did not phone up my ISP screaming "YOU BASTARDS! WHY DID YOU UPGRADE MY BROADBAND? CAN'T YOU SEE, I'M PAYING YOU! THAT MEANS I PAID FOR THIS UPGRADE, WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. OMG RIPOFF!"
And yeah, looks like I lied about not posting more 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:35:00 -
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Talk to a WoW Player who is about to shell out $40, if he/she wants to get the upcoming expansion pack and ask them if they would consider the EvE Patch "Free".
By highlighting the word "Free", a distinction is being drawn between a load of development work that is not going to be charged for seperately ( Although obviously paid for by subs), versus a $40 punch in the face. This is an attractive feature of this game and keeps alot of non-whiney players playing.
You owe me 100 million isk for the two minutes that you've wasted. I am offended by your offence.
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:37:00 -
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Well it's hard not to reply and be a part of to today's 'POINTLESS THREAD OF THE DAY'.
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Wotar
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
oh shut up.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:42:00 -
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Some of you need to see past your own egos, i wasnt after any of your "comedy" i was simply making a point that it is not free and saying so is wrong.
your arguments that you are paying for support and uptime blah blah blah, dosent do much for your argument, simply put - if ccp dont keep changing they will lose business - this is a business. we are all contributing to it, it dosent conform to other games because it far more centralised.
Some of your flippant comments dont my my point less valid - now do try to reply with an ounce of decency - or dont bother at all.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:43:00 -
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Most MMORPGs charge money for expansions.
EVE Online doesn't.
Thus it is free. 
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Johnny Rook
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Rook on 24/11/2006 16:45:42
Originally by: Scsiborg
Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:20:40
My point is valid - your point that im an inbred whiner is not.
I'm failing to find any flaw the point he made.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:45:00 -
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Scsiborg, your "point" is completely invalid and you refuse to listen to others explain why it's so.
With Asheron's Call you'd pay for the game, monthly, and the Dark Legacy or whatever the expansion was called.
For WoW you'd pay for the game, monthly, and the Burning Crusade Expansion.
For Star Wars Galaxies you'd pay for the game, monthly, and Jump To Light Speed, and Ewoks Gone Wild and Trials of Obi Wan and.. and...
For City of Hereos you'd pay for the game, monthly, and City of Villians.
For Guild Wars you'd pay for the game, but not monthy, but than for Nightfall and the Factions.
For Everquest 2 you'd pay for the game, monthly, bi-monthly adventure packs, bi-yearly expansions.
For EVE Online you paid $5 for the game... and monthly. Yet you get as much or more content added as all those other games + retail expansions.
How can you not see that EVE's "expansions" are "free"? Castor, Exodus, Cold War, Red Moon Rising, Bloodlines, Revelations, Kali, TotalHellDeath.. all free. All included in your monthy subscription which is actually less than most other MMOs.
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:29:28
I obviously under estimated how delud..."attached" you all were to the game.
Its a fair point im making - other games have more than one main server, other games give you the option to update or not - eve, you have to update... or stop playing.
now is that so hard a concept to grasp? - eve fundamentaly is not like other games
I would say that expansions by nature are designed to guarantee revenue streams and entice new players. The difference is that in "Other Games" 90% of the old content has been chewed up by the time a new expansion comes out. If a toon is to advance, one must buy the expansion pack. In EvE, my character falls behind 6 months on content that I will never have the time to enjoy or even try out, in addition to the content that I never got around to trying out from the last expansion.
I am OK with "Free".
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:49:00 -
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Screw it, no point in arguing. He's beyond reason.
Just sit back and wait until he tries to explain that buses don't actually move, and then makes himself a burden on the NHS.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Strangely Brown
Cult of the Purple Wolf
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Some of your flippant comments dont my my point less valid - now do try to reply with an ounce of decency - or dont bother at all.
Probably because your point couldn't be any less valid.
IT IS FREE
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:50:00 -
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your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
for those that are havign difficulty EVE IS DIFFERENT, it cannot be compared to other games.
its completely centralised. OF course they cant charge you for a f****** expansion! its not like guild wars where you could keep playing the original - it not like anything.
you say im not listening! i must have said it 3 times
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:54:00 -
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They call it an expansion - ok, new features, better everything - thats not my argument.
its a replacement really, is it not?
i hope you all enjoy for "free" expansion
*shakes head*
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:57:00 -
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You are absolutely correct. It is ridiculous that we don't have to pay for this expansion/replacement. I might just cancel my subscription
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:58:00 -
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This thread is actually pretty funny.
/me gets some popcorn
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Ark Tyriel
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Posted - 2006.11.24 16:59:00 -
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not gonna get involved here, having read this whole topic i avtually agree with scsi
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Strangely Brown
Cult of the Purple Wolf
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Strangely Brown on 24/11/2006 17:02:20
If it makes you feel any better about it you can send me $40 for the expansion/replacement?
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Sam Browne
Caldari
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
Er, isn't that a choice right there? See it? (It's behind you!)
Some folk are so dense they cause light to bend.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:04:00 -
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im not complainig that it is free, are u completely stupid? my agrument is thats ive already paid for it
you really should read the topic before you go with the majority
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
for those that are havign difficulty EVE IS DIFFERENT, it cannot be compared to other games.
its completely centralised. OF course they cant charge you for a f****** expansion! its not like guild wars where you could keep playing the original - it not like anything.
you say im not listening! i must have said it 3 times
How is it different? If you had to pay for eve expansions and you didnt you just wouldnt be able to use any of the new content, the new ships, weapons etc.. I admit its a bit more complicated then that but heck if sony were running this game you can bet your ass thats how it would be done.
The expansions are free.
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Skawl
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:05:00 -
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Any other game I can think of charges for content updates of this kind so I think CCP saying this is free is totally justified.
Most MMOs argue that you pay your monthly fee for server maintainence, customer support, bug fixing etc but charge for any new content.
EQ (1&2), WoW, SWG, DAoC, AO... all these games charge for their major content updates. CCP doesn't and I don't think it's unreasonable for them to advertise the fact.
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:05:00 -
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wow this is the first whine thread where the entire community has unified against the OP
go team!
WoW players can choose to upgrade to burning crusade for $40 but they still pay a subscription...
we pay a subscription and do not have to pay extra for the expansion.. while we may not have a choice not to upgrade, most wow fanatics cant bare the thought of NOT upgrading.
I do not understand why you cannot see what we mean... the expansion is free, you dont have a choice about not upgrading sure.... but your not CHARGED EXTRA for upgrading hence it is FREE
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:06:00 -
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Financially, its free.
Yes, time spent waiting for it to come out isn't free - if you're arguing that, then explicity say so, otherwise people will assume you're talking about cash.
And ffs, this is supposed to be a happy time, lighten up and stop worrying.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 24/11/2006 17:07:52
Originally by: Scsiborg
your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
for those that are havign difficulty EVE IS DIFFERENT, it cannot be compared to other games.
its completely centralised. OF course they cant charge you for a f****** expansion! its not like guild wars where you could keep playing the original - it not like anything.
you say im not listening! i must have said it 3 times
this point is imho very valid .. but i still don't see why to make such a fuss about it.
EVE is by design a single-shard persistant gameworld. if there would be a server running one of the old EVE clients - it would contradict this concept of a single-shard persistant gameworld, wouldn't it?
the updates to this single-shard persistant gameworld are free - as there's no extra charge to get/install them.
so what's your point then??
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:06:00 -
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Well then, just don't buy a Tier 2 BC or Tier 3 BS then. Voilß :)
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:07:00 -
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sigh* forget it.
dont let your mind wonder - its too small to be let out on its own.
Forget it - ur all a bunch of "followers"
Originally by: Sam Browne
Originally by: Scsiborg
your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
Er, isn't that a choice right there? See it? (It's behind you!)
Some folk are so dense they cause light to bend.
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:08:00 -
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So many funny responses ... must resist ...
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:09:00 -
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that would involve thought. good luck with that
Originally by: Mort Sinious
So many funny responses ... must resist ...
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Johnny Rook
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:11:00 -
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Personally I blame Dawson's Creek.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:12:00 -
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lol
Originally by: Johnny Rook
Personally I blame Dawson's Creek.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/11/2006 17:16:20
They haven't signed any contract that they have to deliver new content and that otherwise I can get my money back. So they could give us no content patches at all and let it just run, until EVE finally dies.
Now there is a content patch that they didn't have to deliver by a contract and they don't charge us for it, so it's free. 
Funny, this topic seems to come up with each big content patch. We had it before RMR, and we'll have it with Kali 2 and 3.
On the fanfest, when they announced the merge with whitewolf, it has been said that everything stays the same with EVE content patches as far as I remember. So nothing to be afraid of.
CTD/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:13:00 -
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So how long before someone is gonna bring up the EULA?
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
Forget it - ur all a bunch of "followers"
Yes, I am afraid to say I follow. For example, most people do not run around with their underpants on your head. I follow the example of this people, unquestioningly. Failing to do so would result in me looking like a complete idiot.
I suggest you take your underpants off your head.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
So how long before someone is gonna bring up the EULA?
Plutoinum delivered the same second. Awesome 
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Strangely Brown
Cult of the Purple Wolf
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Scsiborg
Forget it - ur all a bunch of "followers"
Yes, I am afraid to say I follow. For example, most people do not run around with their underpants on your head. I follow the example of this people, unquestioningly. Failing to do so would result in me looking like a complete idiot.
I suggest you take your underpants off your head.
QFT
I agree with Verus.
And everyone else in the thread.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:17:00 -
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we have already payed for this expansion.
thanks
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
we have already payed for this expansion.
thanks
Since you seem to like technicalities, please read the EULA to see how you did not pay for them.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:20:00 -
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I think im gonna go buy a magazine - with something free stuck to the fton of it.
i wonder if that will affect the overall cost? hmm
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:20:00 -
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I didnt pay for it. ****, will I be allowed to play it. Can we get a dev on this please?
/me needs much more popcorn for this thread as I thought :)
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:21:00 -
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ESRB Notice: Game Experience May Change During Online Play
I really like that little ESRB notice. It fits so many of these threads.
To expect the game not to change is a bit rediculous. To expect a hugely complex game that has enough content and freedom of play that it could keep a large populace of players entertained for years and years, to be released in perfect and complete form from the get go is... well, naive at best. So the alternative is an iterative release or change cycle. Which is what we got.
To not have to pay for these inevitable changes is a bonus. Other companys aren't so nice.
But that's not really the point. The point is, like other posters have stated, that alot of people expect to pay for expansions. IMO they only stated it was "free" to make sure all understood how EVE works.
I think it is you, OP, who are making the topic more complicated than it is. Sure we "pay" for these changes in the form of putting up with extended down times and new bugs and what not, but that's just the nature of the beast.
Simplest way to put it... Don't like it? Can I have your stuff? 
Originally by: Big Al
Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:22:00 -
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The monthly fee is to keep EVE running, it has nothing to do with expansions. Even if EVE never saw a single expansion you'd still pay that monthly fee, like you do with every other MMOG. So no, you didn't pay for this expansion, nobody did. Hence it's free.
And the devs have said time and time again that EVE expansions will always be free. Hell they answered that exact question last week at the fanfest.
Seriously, I've seen some pretty stupid whines on here but this has to be near the top of the list.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:24:00 -
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this is the last post from me.
to say that the kali expansion is a free expansion, is only applicably to new players - not me.
thats it
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Scsiborg
I think im gonna go buy a magazine - with something free stuck to the fton of it.
i wonder if that will affect the overall cost? hmm
Compare the monthly subscription in EVE to that of other MMOGs, I think you'll notice it's the industry average. How many other MMOG's provide regular content expansions at no extra charge?
Your argument is flawed.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:36:00 -
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name one other mmog with only one server
Originally by: Xelios
Originally by: Scsiborg
I think im gonna go buy a magazine - with something free stuck to the fton of it.
i wonder if that will affect the overall cost? hmm
Compare the monthly subscription in EVE to that of other MMOGs, I think you'll notice it's the industry average. How many other MMOG's provide regular content expansions at no extra charge?
Your argument is flawed.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:37:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
By one server, I assume you mean one shard, as EVE has over 200 servers IIRC.
I can't name any off the top of my head, but there are a number of smaller MMORPGs with one shard.
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Scsiborg
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:39:00 -
[63]
my point exactly
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
By one server, I assume you mean one shard, as EVE has over 200 servers IIRC.
I can't name any off the top of my head, but there are a number of smaller MMORPGs with one shard.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:40:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Scsiborg
my point exactly
Your point that EVE isn't the only MMORPG with only one shard?
But how does that even relate to this thread?
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:43:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/11/2006 17:44:04
Originally by: Scsiborg
we have already payed for this expansion.
thanks
Two quotes from the EULA:
Quote:
4. SUBSCRIPTION FEES AND PAYMENT TERMS
After the Trial Period, you are required to pay a subscription fee to maintain your Account, access the System and play EVEÖ. ...
That is what you pay for.
Content patches are mentioned later:
Quote:
E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the
EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software
at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. Periodically, CCP will require all users to migrate to new releases of the Software in
order to continue accessing the System and playing EVEÖ. You will be informed when a new release is available and will have a period of time
in which to procure and install the new release. You must install and use the new release before the period of time has lapsed to continue
accessing the System and playing EVEÖ. If you fail to install the new release when required, CCP shall not be responsible in any way for your
inability to access the System or play EVEÖ, and you shall not be entitled to receive a refund of any prepaid subscription fees or any other
form of compensation. New releases could be offered to you at a discounted price.
As I see it, you are arguing about the little word 'free', but you have nothing in your hands except the feeling that it isn't free and that you have paid for it.
But who cares ? They can also write non-free imho. As long as I can download it and play without paying for it now, they can write waht they want. 
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Sanctioner
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:49:00 -
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Well after so many threads of people that make them win EvE it's good to finally have someone lose it :)
As for games on one shard:
Time of Defiance
Project Visitor
Entropia Universe
I could continue..
You pay a subscription for the game, you don't pay extra for the expansion, thus it's free.
If it wasn't free you'd have to pay for the expansion on top of the subscription.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:49:00 -
[67]
This topic is obviously flamebait.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:55:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Scsiborg
my point exactly
Your point that EVE isn't the only MMORPG with only one shard?
But how does that even relate to this thread?
I think he is under the impression that on other MMOs, they run seperate shards for different levels of expandedness.
Honestly, when his argument is a trainwreck like this, I think it's somewhat unfair to ask for his points to be related.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Adoro
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:56:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Scsiborg
Edited by: Scsiborg on 24/11/2006 16:08:52
Revelations, Chapter 1 Deployment on Tuesday, 28 Nov at 0200
Tranquility will have an extended downtime, Tuesday 28 November, running for 24 hours from 02:00 in the morning to 02:00 GMT Wednesday for the deployment of Revelations, Chapter I, the free expansion to EVE Online. Revelations features many improvements, new features, content and a wealth of optimizations and fixes both to server and client. Detailed patch notes and a features page will be available shortly.
This is all well and good, but i really dont like this being called free - because it isnt - in fact its quite offensive to call it free. The game is designed to keep people playing and paying for as long as humanly possible, the time we have waited for something new is payment enough. With the mention of money in this announcement it makes me wonder whether the next chapter is going to be free or not. Perhaps a more sensative vetting process on public announcements should be undertaken.
/me checks ingame employment history of Scsiborg...
What you know? Hardly played the game
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 17:59:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
Second Life
Project Entropia
A Tale in the Desert
Oh wait, you asked for one 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:13:00 -
[71]
This one happend last time.
I agree with you man.
fact is, the paying customer... aka me has kept them in development (aka work) for the last 3 years.
Without that moola to continue to innovate the product and attract new subsribers.... they would be sunk, game would die... so obviously it's as in as much as their interest as yours.... why i saw it as patronising last time about as this....
typical cynical move on ccp part though....in the real world.... most companies threw away the patronising statements a couple of years ago in favour of promoting there positions and products in a fore front and getting consumers to attenuate to that strengh... ccp still read old copy.. not that it matters given there audience though in reality....
Face value it's free, but anybody with more than two brain cells can see through the skin deep.
As for the it's free here, not there.
Think about it, do you realy think ccp could afford to take the risk of losing a substantial part of there subscription base..
Eve is small in comparision to many other mmo's.... they can afford to lose charging for expansions.
I don't think eve could... im 50/50 on it.. but i think if they thought that they could hold the number of subs up with charging for an expansion.. im sure they would.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:14:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 18:19:06
Originally by: Galk
EVE is small in comparision to many other mmo's.... they can afford to lose charging for expansions.
Anarchy Online has proved you wrong quite effectively... 
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:15:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Galk
Eve is small in comparision to many other mmo's.... they can afford to lose charging for expansions.
I don't think eve could... im 50/50 on it.. but i think if they thought that they could hold the number of subs up with charging for an expansion.. im sure they would.
Out of interest, do you think the other MMOs on the market lose money on charging for expansions? Why do you think CCP would? 
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:15:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
Second Life
Project Entropia
A Tale in the Desert
Oh wait, you asked for one
Perhaps he should have added the qualifier "good" to his request.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:16:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Scsiborg
name one other mmog with only one server
Second Life
Project Entropia
A Tale in the Desert
Oh wait, you asked for one
Perhaps he should have added the qualifier "good" to his request.
Touche, but given my opinions of most the MMOs on the market, I wouldn't be able to come up with a very long list at all, even of sharded ones
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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D liver
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:20:00 -
[76]
OP - Please change the thread title to "My girlfrind is gone and I have no one to browbeat, so please let me demonstrate my junior-high debate skills on a non-topic so I can feel superior".
It would save a number of us time from clicking on the thread. Thanks!
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X ChaosX
Trogdor the Burninator Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:24:00 -
[77]
Wow, I'm suprised that there are 3 pages of people trying to explain to an idiot that you don't pay anything extra for the expansion.
Now- 15$ a month
After Revalation- 15$ a month
See??? No extra money is being paid.
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.24 18:31:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Touche, but given my opinions of most the MMOs on the market, I wouldn't be able to come up with a very long list at all, even of sharded ones
I'd be in agreement with that assessment. :)
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Hek Arris
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:22:00 -
[79]
The OP is entirely right. EVE is different and only has one server and that's why the expansion that you don't have a choice to download is not really free. Cuz you have to download it OR STOP PLAYING!!!! And it's different! Not free!!!! No one understands him!!!!!!
Yep, it all makes sense.
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Plymer Ization
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:48:00 -
[80]
You seem to be complaining that you have to download something to keep playing... get better internet?
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:58:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Redpants on 24/11/2006 20:01:57
I haven't replied since the first page but the solid argument and inescapable point of the OP has sunk in. He cannot be more right. How can we be so blind, or stupid as he put it? Not only is the new update not free, but I am now convinced that it's expensive and overpriced.
In fact I demand that CCP halt the new engine coming down the pipe. That's a total rip off to us customers. How dare you rebuild this game from the ground up and force us to update to it? Robbers!
BTW, the thread title says to pause for a thought...but where's the thought?
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:15:00 -
[82]
After suffering a massive decline in my IQ from reading the OP and his many replies, I think I begin to see what he's getting at. Bear with me, please.
Eve is not a free game. I think we can all agree to this, since we pay upwards of $15/month to play.
Ergo everything that's in the game is paid for and not free.
From here his arguments fall apart, because he doesn't seem to get the difference between Eve and most other MMOGs, i.e. that when you get a big update that changes the name/adds a new one, you have to PAY for it with almost every other game out there.
So there's a big disconnect between his idea of "free" and everyone elses'.
So let's put it this way. In Eve, you don't have to pay EXTRA for new content, but it's not "free".
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:42:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Scsiborg
sigh* forget it.
dont let your mind wonder - its too small to be let out on its own.
Forget it - ur all a bunch of "followers"
Originally by: Sam Browne
Originally by: Scsiborg
your either missing my point - or stupid!
eve, is different to other games- you dont get a choice - you update - or you dont play.
Er, isn't that a choice right there? See it? (It's behind you!)
Some folk are so dense they cause light to bend.
you sir, scare me.
Congratulations you just made the "stupid post of the day on" RLMMO.com
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:10:00 -
[84]
panties in a bunch over Revelations coming in and ruining his RMR fun.
let me ask: Why do you NOT want Revelations over RMR?
New stuff is always good
*finishes feeding the troll*
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cordy
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.26 06:53:00 -
[85]
Edited by: cordy on 26/11/2006 06:53:57
I believe where hes comming from tho. This is a reply to what he somewhere said in all the other posts.With guildwars (best way to explain it) if you buy the factions cd you can play factions, when nightfall came out you have a choice to play it or not. You either keep playing factions over and over or you expand with buying nightfall.
I think he wants to say that with eve no matter what you need to upgrade or you cant play. Whenever there is a new patch out you need to dl it or you have an incompatible eve client and cant play eve. With other games you can just play what you have installed already, not sure what it has to do with money tho since expansions in eve are free, granted you turn in a day of not playing but from what i know during my almost three years of playing eve they will compensate that in the long run. Scisborg just relax dont break your head over it and enjoy the expansion. The only thing that its gonna costs you is the time to dl it when comming out
Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
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Pham Sirge
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:33:00 -
[86]
Hi Scsiborg,
Seriously cancel you eve account now.
Unplug your computer and smash it into little bits.
You have created a thread and then proceeded to argue with everyone over if an expansion is free if it is included with a monthly fee. Honestly did you wake up this morning and think "I want to look like a fool by arguing over semantics"?
A box is a chair unless you choose not to sit on it.
,
<VTIL> Pham Sirge
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:58:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Soporo on 26/11/2006 08:01:13
Well,the Op has a point...sorta.
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Jon Draconus
Just-fun
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:01:00 -
[88]
God I hope this guy isn't a breeder. His unwavering logic compels me to pour bleach in the gene pool.
Originally by: Wrangler
- We will kill one minmatar baby, on the hour, every hour... and maybe an extra one if we get hungry!
Ah, brings back memories of my family BBQ's.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Soporo
Edited by: Soporo on 26/11/2006 08:01:13
Well,the Op has a point...sorta.
We wont be paying in cash for it but we are certainly paying for it on the forums...
Originally by: Big Al
Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:26:00 -
[90]
I actually have a funny feeling that this guy is Going Commando, but with elocution lessons under his belt.
There will be no survivors now that i'm around  - Xorus
pwnt - Immy
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:26:00 -
[91]
Lol thanks, this was a very entertaining post :)
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Deckard Bishop
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:35:00 -
[92]
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flaming/trolling are not allowed
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