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Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:04:00 - [91] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 26/11/2006 14:04:33 Originally by: Tachy The topic sounds like the promise to shut up if nothing happens. I will probably shut up as we have told them since july that this design sucks, if they havent seen till now how utterly bad an active shield boost bonus in conjunction with artillery is then nothing will make them realize it. Perhaps if the numbers of flown maelstroms are abysmal low like they were for typhoon then something will change in 1-2 years but i dont really have that hope either, it has 8 turrets so it will be used a lot for mining >_> Quote: Banane
MOCC3	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:07:00 - [92] Edited by: MOCC3 on 26/11/2006 14:07:44 Tux said he wanted this to be a fleet ship. But we all kno im a fleet battle u can't rep fast enuf. If the Mal is a fleet ship it going to be the loosers ship of choice. Tempest we stay minne fleet monster - Alhpa strike. The Mal might do well as a tank in complexes. Maybe a good Sansha NPC'er. Other than that its useless. and a good miner! How about CCP can the Mal and make the DomiPhoon tier 3 and give her 6 Missles slots and no turrest but 8 Hi//5 med //7 lows Boni to Missle dmg per lv(5%) Drone baysize per lv 25M3. and more grid than the phoon for them launchers. Make sure its slower and more mass than phoon I kno ill get flamed but that makes more sence than the very bad Mal
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:11:00 - [93] Edited by: Twin blade on 26/11/2006 14:14:08 Edited by: Twin blade on 26/11/2006 14:12:38 Let's take a look at minny ships. Phoon took so long to fix we all most forgot the ship was even in game and it was hardly fixed 5% rof to missile's is not a fix to me unless it can load 5 lancher's. Vigil Got a fix that was not needed or wanted by any one lost its good 5% speed bonus for a crap Target Painter bonus that no one wanted. Bellicose they fixed it with a new bonus that was not wanted needed or helped the ship in any way its still not used and still sucks but the recon version is a monster. Scythe got its damage bonus fixed with a super useless tracking links bonus no good on a ship that was ment for new players to mine in. Cyclone made to shield tank WTF when we turn caldair or get high tec and use shield's to tank. There are more minny ships that need to be fixed but not going to list all. We got alot of ships that the dev's fixed by the look of it the Fix for the maelstorm will be a tracking links bonus or a Target painter bonus if they touch it for year. The dev's need to Stop and just ask us what to do i mean we pay to play we fly the ship so we know what we want form the maelstorm and that is a fast AC ship. !
MOCC3	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:00:00 - [94] Originally by: Twin blade Edited by: Twin blade on 26/11/2006 14:14:08 Edited by: Twin blade on 26/11/2006 14:12:38 Let's take a look at minny ships. Phoon took so long to fix we all most forgot the ship was even in game and it was hardly fixed 5% rof to missile's is not a fix to me unless it can load 5 lancher's. Vigil Got a fix that was not needed or wanted by any one lost its good 5% speed bonus for a crap Target Painter bonus that no one wanted. How about a 5% dmg per lv //7.5% speed boni per lv.. Same slot lay out knock 500 off the grid. Add 25 ms speed baseline And i would call it good Bellicose they fixed it with a new bonus that was not wanted needed or helped the ship in any way its still not used and still sucks but the recon version is a monster. Scythe got its damage bonus fixed with a super useless tracking links bonus no good on a ship that was ment for new players to mine in. Cyclone made to shield tank WTF when we turn caldair or get high tec and use shield's to tank. There are more minny ships that need to be fixed but not going to list all. We got alot of ships that the dev's fixed by the look of it the Fix for the maelstorm will be a tracking links bonus or a Target painter bonus if they touch it for year. The dev's need to Stop and just ask us what to do i mean we pay to play we fly the ship so we know what we want form the maelstorm and that is a fast AC ship.
Rockbox Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:01:00 - [95] 2 days to fix it ccp, dont muck it up again. Oh wait.... they dont care Give The Maelstrom Minmatar speed! hUssmann > nerf minmatar
Delta Recon	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:11:00 - [96] Now you know how's it feel to have just 1 good bonus one your ship
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:20:00 - [97] Now, here's a good one, give it optimal range bonus instead of shield boost bonus. Or maybe a falloff bonus of like 7.5%. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:51:00 - [98] to go roughly along with the minmatar style and what dev's seem to want at least for the maelstrom: maelstrom: 5% rof, 5% damage 8 high 7 turret, 3 missile 5 mid 6 lows 145m/s with decent agility 50m3 dronebay enough grid to at least come close to fitting a full rack of 1400s temptest: 5% rof, 5% velocity 8 highs 6 turrent, 4 missile 6 mids 5 lows 165 m/s more agily than maelstrom Grid for AC's a bit more cap than typical for matar 80m3 dronebay (nice random matar number, goes well with the 30m3 and 40m3 dronebays) phoon: don't really know what to do with this ship, so a few ideas. I want to make it a missile ship, but don't know how to do this without making it a cheaper, better raven. 5% missile rof, 10% drone bonus 7 highs 6 missiles 6 turrets (real versitility) 6 mids 4 lows 150 m/s 175m3 dronebay this is probably unbalanced already and would humiliate the raven, not to mention making missions way to easy. 7.5% target painter, 5% missile rof 7 highs (6/3 split) 7 mids, 4 lows a bit useless second bonus, and ends up being a raven with better cap. 5% missile rof, 5% missile sig 7 highs (6/3 split) 4 mids 7 lows an armor tanked raven beater this time current phoon 5% missile rof, 5% proj rof 8 high (4/4 split) 4 mid 7 low 175 m3 dronebay.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.26 21:59:00 - [99] Has to be said it doesn't look too promising on paper. Just make it an AC boat Tux :D Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.11.26 23:40:00 - [100] Graalum dude leave the phoon slot's alot all it needs is a 5th gun or missile slot nothing more. The temp and maelstorm fix i like tho but leave the phoon alone. !

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:28:00 - [101] Not much more to add really, the salient points have already been made. The really dissappointing thing is that yet again there seems to have been a design philosophy for this ship that simply hasn't been stuck to or just doesn't deliver. The general design and balancing of the new ships for Kali has been a disaster. I won't fly any of the new battleships other than the Rokh because they just don't add anything worth spending the extra isk on compared to the existing Tier 1 and Tier 2 battleships and I can most definitely afford the isk. My Minmatar BS pilot will most certainly be sticking to the Tempest, the Maelstrom is a very poorly thought out ship. Blog
Rockbox Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.27 04:59:00 - [102] Originally by: Unfamed II Now, here's a good one, give it optimal range bonus instead of shield boost bonus. Or maybe a falloff bonus of like 7.5%. A falloff bonus wouls be grand AND make it more agile/speedy FFS Tuxford if you are out there pleassseeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give The Maelstrom Minmatar speed! hUssmann > nerf minmatar
Neon Genesis Gallente Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2006.11.27 08:54:00 - [103] The ship is useless, and all the new BS are pure filler to justify the Rokh. Personally, apart from scanning changes and the map upgrades, I think the entire patch is a disaster.
Zyrla Bladestorm Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.27 08:58:00 - [104] Maelstrom : Wont bother with it, adds a few % of damage and a bit of HP, but is much bigger, slower, more expensive both to buy and fit and with a useless second bonus ? no thanks. FYI the revelations patch notes say that the vigil's decription will be fixed to correctly show it has 5% speed and not 5% damage Also that the Scythe's tracking link bonus will be made to work By the way, dont knock tracking link bonuses till you've actually seen them in action, absolutely mental things. Of course in revelations thats probably going to mean a Scimitar giving railgun-toting Rokh's a 130km optimal with antimatter along with near-blaster tracking . ----- It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Slan Traveller SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.11.27 11:34:00 - [105] Hyperion becomes essentially a 3 bonus ship, as it recieves extra low mass and extra agility (minmatar privilege). Maelstroem becomes a 2 bonus ship with caldari mass penalty and Minmatar stats. This is not the contract i signed when choosing Minmatar as a starting race. Sic parvis magna
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.27 11:47:00 - [106] The tracking link bonus is vital with the revambed inertia stabs and warp2zero. It doesn't make the ship itself more interesting though - and a scimitar still does the job better. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.27 11:58:00 - [107] Maelstrom is still a sad excuse for a ship. Might As well Train Another Race
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Blacklight The general design and balancing of the new ships for Kali has been a disaster. [...] My Minmatar BS pilot will most certainly be sticking to the Tempest, the Maelstrom is a very poorly thought out ship. Better keep quiet about it, the most likely reaction of the devs would be to nerf the Tempest. ;-/
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:15:00 - [109] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/11/2006 12:16:48 Maelstrom with autocannons will be good: Linkage. MWD, cap injector + 4 slot tank with built in shield boost amplifier. But you will need a tackler, unlike the megathron. So while the Maelstrom tanks better than a Mega, and has almost as good dps, its slower and cant tackle. So i dont know. Good in gangs I guess. If the Maelstrom would have been a armor tanker with some extra speed, it would challenge the Megathron and be a really good ship for solo pvp. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:23:00 - [110] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/11/2006 12:16:48 Maelstrom with autocannons will be good: Linkage. MWD, cap injector + 4 slot tank with built in shield boost amplifier. But you will need a tackler, unlike the megathron. So while the Maelstrom tanks better than a Mega, and has almost as good dps, its slower and cant tackle. So i dont know. Good in gangs I guess. If the Maelstrom would have been a armor tanker with some extra speed, it would challenge the Megathron and be a really good ship for solo pvp. not really, even in gangs you still need a mwd and to keep your tank alive you'll have to fit 2-3 noses (this is to counteract noses on you), the tank is great but you'll bring little else to the gang then there is the small cargobay which limits you severly in cap charges. you are better off with 7 slot tank on typhoon and 4 noses(instead turrets), still sporting your drones and missiles Quote: Banane

Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:26:00 - [111] Edited by: Twin blade on 27/11/2006 12:30:37 Edited by: Twin blade on 27/11/2006 12:27:45 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/11/2006 12:16:48 Maelstrom with autocannons will be good: Linkage. MWD, cap injector + 4 slot tank with built in shield boost amplifier. But you will need a tackler, unlike the megathron. So while the Maelstrom tanks better than a Mega, and has almost as good dps, its slower and cant tackle. So i dont know. Good in gangs I guess. If the Maelstrom would have been a armor tanker with some extra speed, it would challenge the Megathron and be a really good ship for solo pvp. I think it would of been better if it was an armor tanker as well the whole. I think a duck tape ship made of wood paper and some glue with a bad cap should not shield tank that would need alot of power heavy shield gens and fall out the botton of the ship any time it should pass close to any thing with gravity. That chart made me laugh at 8k the typhoon is better and when under 8k your only doing what 100 more dps than the typhoon over all that chart prove's it sucks more than i throught. !
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:13:00 - [112] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/11/2006 13:19:32 Originally by: Twin blade That chart made me laugh at 8k the typhoon is better and when under 8k your only doing what 100 more dps than the typhoon over all that chart prove's it sucks more than i throught. Well, mostly because I used hail/void ammo to show extreme close range damage. With barrage and null, you get better range, but lower overall damage. Actually, from 20k and further out, its only the siege missile and drone dps you see. The autocannons dont add much. You might as well use nos basicly, but I dont think it fits. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:52:00 - [113] Edited by: Twin blade on 27/11/2006 13:53:23 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/11/2006 13:31:29 Originally by: Twin blade That chart made me laugh at 8k the typhoon is better and when under 8k your only doing what 100 more dps than the typhoon over all that chart prove's it sucks more than i throught. Well, mostly because I used hail/void ammo to show extreme close range damage. With barrage and null, you get better range, but lower overall damage. Actually, from 20k and further out, its only the siege missile and drone dps you see. The autocannons dont add much. You might as well use nos basicly, but I dont think it fits. Typhoon and Maelstrom at 40k :) I know you was doing close up only but still its hardly better than a typhoon when it come's to short range damage. Overall close range the typhoon is still better you lose 100dps but get a better tank and if needed can move out of short range and still do ok damage. As i said that chart just proved the maelstorm sucks the 2nd chart just prove's the same but even worse as the damage gap there shows its down to around 70-80 damage !
Trojanman190 Caldari Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:28:00 - [114] At least its pretty. Probably best looking ship in kali.
Dagnis The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:56:00 - [115] Edited by: Dagnis on 27/11/2006 14:58:18 Really disappointed with the maelstrom its just a waist of isk. ill stick to my tempest also the maelstrom looked better in the concept art page then ingame.
Arian Snow Minmatar Megalomaniacs at Arms	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:36:00 - [116] Edited by: Arian Snow on 27/11/2006 21:36:20 well... I just think CCP likes to keep Matari as a minority. the Maelstrom is a **** efficient way to do just that! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:58:00 - [117] 4 h till Kali and no comment about the maelstrom since october GG >_> we had comments about hype, abaddon, drake, myrm, hurr, harb no comments about the Rokh (which is the best of the tier 3, and the only whining from caldari side was that it isnt a missile ship) No comments about the maelstrom, of which we have said from the very beginning that its very bad. I have yet to see someone who is happy with the current design of the Maelstrom, and more importantly, I havent seen ANYONE *** about the Maelstrom that the mael is so much better than his/her <insert ship> or does this or that so much better. All we got is pitiful stares and hidden smiles that Minni got the worst deal of the new BS's. AN ARTILLERY BOAT DOESNT TANK ACTIVELY except those mission runners who havent heard of missiles yet. Originally by:** Gallente Information Ministry A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:39:00 - [118] Shield bonus is a joke. I don't understand how it didnt get changed when they acknowledged weeks ago that it sucks.
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:42:00 - [119] Originally by: Raste Shield bonus is a joke. I don't understand how it didnt get changed when they acknowledged weeks ago that it sucks. Make it an optimal range bonus "a la rokh" so I can whine about how overpowered it is. NB. In Rust We Trust
Ruciza	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:13:00 - [120] Originally by: Raste I don't understand how it didnt get changed when they acknowledged weeks ago that it sucks. YOU! Get a clue! This is an order!



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