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Sybyl	Posted - 2006.11.24 19:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Kashre Wheeel.... the Mael isnt as bad as some in this thread seem to think it is. I have no idea why anyone would think the tempest was a better sniper: The Mael has more mid slots, which equals the ability to get the same range and still use a slot for an EW mod or an afterburner/mwd to get out of dictor bubbles. The Mael has higher DOT at extreme ranges for fleet combat. I belive it has more HP than the tempest as well, in general. On the other hand, the shiled tanking bonus is completely useless unless imo. Shield tanking snipers are used for what, exactly, in this game? I've never done it, and Im not sure why anyone would. If you're sniping at long range you dont have enough slots to fit a shield tank, and in a fleet it would do no good anyways. If you're tanking at short range then a tempest with missile launchers will have higher DOT than you. The shield bonus needs to be made into something that wont be mutually exclusive with the supposed role of artillery platform. I vote for tracking unless someone has a better idea.
Quarantine Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.24 19:42:00 - [32] I'm not sure what's more annoying here, the fact that the Maelstorm doesn't suck enough to be looked at any time soon, or that the forums not only ate my post but used the wrong account and char too
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.24 20:40:00 - [33] 10% Shield HP boost and 5% damage NOT RoF makes it the fleet ship it should be. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.24 21:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Kaylana Syi 10% Shield HP boost and 5% damage NOT RoF makes it the fleet ship it should be. It would definitely make it into the shield tanking arty boat that the devs stated they wanted it to be, but do Minmatar really need another one of these? =/ Maybe 10% shield hp and 5% damage to make maelstrom a very proficient fleet/arty ship, and then a few tweaks to the tempest, let it be an AC boat?
Reinala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.11.24 21:27:00 - [35] No point in much words here, I think. It can't be "fixed" now, because it was not "designed" at all. It's just leftovers.
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.24 21:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Kaylana Syi 10% Shield HP boost and 5% damage NOT RoF makes it the fleet ship it should be. if it has to be an artillery ship then this is what i'd go for but.. WHY oh WHY couldnt they just design a giant stabber? seriously rupture -> Tempest bellicose -> typhoon stabber -> maelstrom its never gonna happen now but arrrgh Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.24 22:41:00 - [37] That's right, let Maelstrom call for help all they like! There will be no surrender! No remorse! No... er... You're talking about the new Minnie boat? Yeeeeaaaahhh... I knew that. /me runs out of room LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:07:00 - [38] Haha, we're lucky to be even getting a new BS (instead of a cardboard box with "SUCKERS" on) and you whine about the shield boost XD
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Kaylana Syi 10% Shield HP boost and 5% damage NOT RoF makes it the fleet ship it should be. if it has to be an artillery ship then this is what i'd go for but.. WHY oh WHY couldnt they just design a giant stabber? seriously rupture -> Tempest bellicose -> typhoon stabber -> maelstrom its never gonna happen now but arrrgh I have the same feelings ,i would love a giant staber , but we were given a fleet BS when we already have the tempest ,weird....
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Kaylana Syi 10% Shield HP boost and 5% damage NOT RoF makes it the fleet ship it should be. if it has to be an artillery ship then this is what i'd go for but.. WHY oh WHY couldnt they just design a giant stabber? seriously rupture -> Tempest bellicose -> typhoon stabber -> maelstrom its never gonna happen now but arrrgh I have the same feelings ,i would love a giant staber , but we were given a fleet BS when we already have the tempest ,weird.... We were given another tier2 fleet BS + change :D
Arian Snow Minmatar Megalomaniacs at Arms	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:52:00 - [41] Edited by: Arian Snow on 24/11/2006 23:53:09 Wow ... good post! ... First of nomore fleetships please for a long time its been preached by devs that fleets needed a serious overhaul and that sniping aint what EVE should be about! And why on earth should minmatar get a ship thats heavier than the Raven with subpar firepower. Tiuwaz .. I think the battle is pretty much lost, though the Maelstroms obvious flaws has been acknowledged I have a hard time imagining it will change. As Tux once wrote: "The shield boost bonus wasn't good enough for the Moa, thats why it was changed to resist" -and given to the Minmatar \O/ I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Cilppiz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:56:00 - [42] Lets see... Sure being able to fit 3x Tracking Comp t2 and 3x Gyro t2 with all other mandatory mods for fleetbattle (read as MWD, enough sensor boosters etc) makes Mael look nice on paper, BUT when count in the fact how much more it costs to build and fit... Yeah not worth of it, Ill just use Tempest instead, it looks better anyways... una salus victis nullam sperare salutem
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.25 00:02:00 - [43] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 25/11/2006 00:09:41 Originally by: Arian Snow Tiuwaz .. I think the battle is pretty much lost, though the Maelstroms obvious flaws has been acknowledged I have a hard time imagining it will change. As Tux once wrote: "The shield boost bonus wasn't good enough for the Moa, thats why it was changed to resist" -and given to the Minmatar \O/ yeah i have given up hope aswell, but i had to make a last stand despite the odds i am gonna make me a new sig out of the last part you wrote, great material edit: bah too many characters for sig Originally by: Tuxford shield boost bonus isn't really terribly effective in fleets ... That's basically the reasoning for changing the Moa's shield boost bonus to resistance bonus Maelstrom not a
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.11.25 00:50:00 - [44] Easy Fix chop front fins off bang you lower the mass to the phoon's there alone. Then make it to an 8/4/8 Armor tank Bonus 5%rof 5% damage Per lvl with 8 AC's it will own have a good armor tank and still have the mids to solo pvp. !
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:01:00 - [45] Tux, just toss out the Mael, and let us use the Rohk with a projectile bonus, just recolor the skin and call it Minmatar. That way we get a useful ship this patch. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Andreaz Kotz Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:22:00 - [46] I throw up each time I board them on sisi (once). I'll be sticking with my tempest.
Rockbox Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Talasan Edited by: Talasan on 24/11/2006 17:52:23 last attempt eh, may as well give it a shot, tho i doubt they will take any notice of it Id like to see: current slot layout 5% rate of fire per level 5% ship velocity per level Reduce mass, increase base velocity to 160ms id be happy, very happy This would make too much sense for a minmatar vessel However this would be very nice May all pilots of minmatar vessels unite in this thread and beat this horse one more time before we have to dig in and fight for Maelstrom changes for 2 yrs Visit us at VETO FORUMS!!1!
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:30:00 - [48] Edited by: HankMurphy on 25/11/2006 03:35:55 suck it up. its our fate to be the 'underdogs'? I can wait till i am out sniped by some 4mil SP a$shat in a Rohk. sigh, i regress, i hate doomsayers so i'll try to take it easy... i just hope w/ the skills the Mael can stand up to the thron/rohk and give me a reason to not just save some isk and buy more tempests. i trained caldari to get over some performance humps in my early minmatar days, but i'll be dammed if i need to train up rails just to compete in a snipe fight at this point of the game when i'm sitting on L art spec 5 (sure am glad i trained that w/ the t2 ammo nerfs around the corner ) i think my BIGGEST beef w/ this ship isn't the bonus', but the role itself. We are to be FAST, HARD HITTING and able to GET THE FRACK OUTTA DODGE! & low on the EW side and high slot tanks (no 7-8 lows armor tanks or 7-8 mids shield tank). What did we get, a SLOW, HEAVY sloth. WTF?!? How will we match vectors to lower our transversals / keep at range?? How will we be hard hitting? T2 ammo is being nerfed (for everyone to be fair) and... well , thats the only change! You (CCP) acknowleged the shortcoming of artilleries yet the purposed changes dont really ammount to much when you take into account the HP boost. Alpha strike will be dead, and we all know it. But hey, we are minmatar right? Take away our 2 purposes on the field (alphastrike & speed). We will just have to adapt again, this time to one more ship w/o a role. Wanna fix the mael? Well, lots of good ideas here, but i would say get back to basics: *Give us our speed. Think about fixing alpha strike in the next few years. (we know you'll take your time, i hear caldari says missiles dont work at all anymore and the gallente just reported they need more drone space)** OK, thats WAY over my whining quota for the month (my doctor says i have to cut back or i'll start seeing things again)
Rockbox Amarr Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:54:00 - [49] Tuxford, GIVE us our speed! Give The Maelstrom Minmatar speed!
Milo Deadstar Minmatar Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:12:00 - [50] Does Tux even play this game? i mean WTF active shield boost on a so called sniper ship?! great post by the OP and /signed on the giant stabber comment. Please Tux PLEASE fix this ship its complete rubbish, how could you possibly in any way think that this piece of ** can compare to the rohk? omfg Oh and we are paying customers too? why dont you take anything we (minmatar) say into consideration, you are **ing off alot of people!
Arian Snow Minmatar Megalomaniacs at Arms	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:26:00 - [51] Edited by: Arian Snow on 25/11/2006 04:27:11 yup! What nobody wants is the result of the tempest humping an asteroid. The Maelstrom seems to be the very epitome of matari incompetence... and here I thought Gallente was helping us out! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Mortuus Tux, just toss out the Mael, and let us use the Rohk with a projectile bonus, just recolor the skin and call it Minmatar. That way we get a useful ship this patch. you obviously know nothing. we are minmatar, if we had the Rohk we'd be "overpowered" however, caldari, they 'needed' that boat. i think thats the words they used.... Caldari needed a good sniper/fleet ship (hey! no fitting blasters on those rohks either!! your not allowed, uh, er... ahhh, whats the point, they will.....) so what else do caldari 'need'? i guess a good nos/drone boat. something better than a domi, and they could probly do w/ a good blaster boa...uh, yeah, ok i guess the rohk can do that too :( matari, we are supposed to be real pilots. they expect more from us i suppose. we 'need' nothing but our 'versatility'
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:46:00 - [53] Didn't you hear? Tux only flys the nerfed hurricane because its so uber. I chose Minnie because the description said they were fast. Now they are slow. What was our role again? ----- There is no Spoon
Zeroskills Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Zeroskills on 25/11/2006 05:42:25 As a pure Minmatar pilot, I am very concerned about the Maelstrom's bonus. Pretty much anything* would be better than a shield-boost bonus: resists, shield HP, tracking, damage, speed, optimal, falloff, etc. Shield-boost doesn't really have a place on a long range platform. Don't let the Maelstrom become Typhoon_v2.0. Please commit to fixing this problem in the near future. *not a target painter bonus Regards, Zeroskills www.guildofsun.com
Heartbreak Harriet	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:57:00 - [55] Edited by: Heartbreak Harriet on 25/11/2006 06:01:09 +10% to insurance payout and -10% self destruct countdown per level, to actually make flying the thing productive. Five months notice, weeks of testing, countless threads, and no action. Just fabulous
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.25 06:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Tiuwaz stabber -> maelstrom its never gonna happen now but arrrgh It wouldn't work. It wouldn't be able to use it's speed to orbit inside 20k because the guns wouldn't track and you can't orbit deep in your falloff like a stabber because you'd need a 40k scram. You'd end up having to go in close and tank anyways. Sniggwaffe is recruiting
GC13 Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 06:40:00 - [57] Maelstrom = +10% optimal range, +5% damage. Minmatar = Happy. -- Science and Industry guide Eve and roleplaying games blog
Ammon Ishar Monks of War	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:52:00 - [58] Edited by: Ammon Ishar on 25/11/2006 08:53:16 Originally by: GC13 Maelstrom = +10% optimal range, +5% damage. Minmatar = Happy. It's good, very good but i think minmatars never get a 8 turrets vessel with dmg bonus Good for mael - +10% optimal range & +5% ROF. Optimal range bonus will compensate shortest ary default optimal in my opinion.
sariss Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:17:00 - [59] Tuxford stated before that the pre-RMR shieldboost bonus of the Moa was not useful so they changed it to a resistance bonus. In fact it was so crappy that it perfectly suited to the minmatar. First the Cyclone, now the Maelstrom. It has been said before that the ships design is based on the roleplaying aspect of the game, but seriously, who could be so retardet to use a shieldtank with T1 resistances against Amarr lasers? The whole thing is just a joke.
Earthan Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:24:00 - [60] and i still think you got a better deal then us with the hyperion lol - A knight in space,war veteran. The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage

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