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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:32:24 -
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Dear CCP,
After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.
Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.
It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping. I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a GÇ£passGÇ¥ which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom. After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out. The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply canGÇÖt afford to replace.
If that grief wasnGÇÖt enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didnGÇÖt already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a GÇ£passGÇ¥. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.
EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, itGÇÖs part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POSGÇÖs to start moon mining and ice mining - something weGÇÖd been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus. Just as we had started to get somewhere weGÇÖre pushed to the ground and now we just donGÇÖt feel like getting up again.
Concord just isnGÇÖt enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesnGÇÖt protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?
People will claim itGÇÖs part of GÇ£freedomGÇ¥ within the game but whereGÇÖs my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?
I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so itGÇÖs like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest itGÇÖs sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.
Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.
Kind regards Finn McCoul |

GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
593
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:43:32 -
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The randoms is valid roleplay on the tradelanes of New Eden. Freighters should insure for 130% of the build cost at Platinum, after cost the payout is equal to about 90% of the build cost. Cargo, of course & regrettably, is lost. 
I still think that freighter bumping is somewhat extreme in Hisecks.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11463
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:44:20 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Dear CCP,
After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.
Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.
It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping. I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a GÇ£passGÇ¥ which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom. After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out. The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply canGÇÖt afford to replace.
If that grief wasnGÇÖt enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didnGÇÖt already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a GÇ£passGÇ¥. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.
EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, itGÇÖs part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POSGÇÖs to start moon mining and ice mining - something weGÇÖd been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus. Just as we had started to get somewhere weGÇÖre pushed to the ground and now we just donGÇÖt feel like getting up again.
Concord just isnGÇÖt enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesnGÇÖt protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?
People will claim itGÇÖs part of GÇ£freedomGÇ¥ within the game but whereGÇÖs my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?
I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so itGÇÖs like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest itGÇÖs sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.
Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.
Kind regards Finn McCoul
If this doesn't get locked (a good chance it will, Ranting is prohibited and 'leaving' posts belong in the Out of Pod Experience forum)), a bunch of people are about to post about how this thread is a troll, or troll bait. In keeping with my personal policy, i'll treat it as if it's sincere:
Your post is hypocritical. Your response to being 'extorted' for imaginary money in a game notorious for such actions is to attempt to extort CCP for real life money (by pretending that you will quit a video game over a legal in game action that occurred due to your own incompetence). You're telling CCP that you are going to quit but suggest that this might not happen if only CCP chooses to develop the game In such a way as to punish the EVE players that beat you at the game. And they did beat you, they (players) took something of value from you (another player, and yes that makes what happened pvp).
In essence, you lost a pvp match in a pvp game and now are telling the game makers to fix the game in your favor. Though I fly freighters and jump freighters, the biggest thing I've yet lost to 'gankers' in EVE is an empty Shuttle. Except for the shuttle, I've won all of these kinds of pvp matches (attempted ganks) I've been in in EVE, including escaping in a t1 industrial with 25% hull left when I had an officer mod in cargo. EVE has all the tools you need to win, that you don't use them is your fault.
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Pixie Tickle
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:55:52 -
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I don't agree with the childish and hateful mocking of victims, but ya really brought that one to yaself and with that victim attitude ya really aren't welcome here anyway, mate.
Quote:People will claim itGÇÖs part of GÇ£freedomGÇ¥ within the game but whereGÇÖs my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK? Freedom ain't a right. If ya can't fight for it, ya can't have it. Ya freedom ends where another man puts a gun on your head.
I'm the distraction.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3689
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:57:27 -
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Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, sorry to hear you're quitting.
Oh god.
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:58:54 -
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Both his freighter and Orca probably had zero tank and were fitted with nothing but cargo expanders and/or astronomic mods.
If you had fit these ships with proper tanks, there's no reason why you wouldn't have survived until concord shows up. Both of those ships can be fitted with monstrous tanks that out-do battleships by a lot, allowing one to repel huge waves of gankers.
You used fail-fits and didn't take out insurance. Simple as that. I'm not going to go into my usual "paranoia is good" speech because I feel its something people should know by now.
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Cyber SGB
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:59:32 -
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1. Never cry on the forums.
2. Learn from this encounter.
3. Be ready next time.
4. High Sec is a dangerous place.
I write Kindle books. Visit my author page.
http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum
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Lisa Gentilette
The Scope Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:00:25 -
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2 years playing EVE and you where about to go moon mining? Moon mining?
Trolllololololia! |

Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
241
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:00:59 -
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Finn McCoul wrote: Just as we had started to get somewhere weGÇÖre pushed to the ground and now we just donGÇÖt feel like getting up again.
Thats what is called "being a LOSER"
So guess you lost this video game. No reset button?
No one will miss you.
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Xylem Viliana
The Free Worlds League
297
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:01:37 -
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Welcome to EVE.
This is normal and perfectly normal for this game. If you dont like or arent aware of the risks after 2 years... well thats no-ones fault but yours. Also burn amarr event plus one of the highest ganking systems in eve in an untanked freighter.... with an orca in the cargo
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3893
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:01:55 -
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Your freedom ends where another's begins. It's up to you to minimize your level of risk, and there are ways of doing so, I know people with freighter alts who have yet to be ganked.
Also, I'm sure you've heard the infamous line "don't fly what you can't afford to lose". There's a reason for that phrase's prevalence, in fact, this is a prime example of why it exists.
You had two major opportunities to prevent any of this from happening. You could have prepared the trip better and mitigated your risks correctly (webbing alt, uncrowded tradelane, etc..), and tried paying the 300mil ransom. Actually, a third option would have been not dumping all of your and your mate's isk into a freighter you couldn't replace.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
392
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:03:28 -
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Tempted to think this is a CODE alt
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
186
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:06:11 -
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Finn McCoul wrote: Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply canGÇÖt afford to replace. Don't undock what you can't afford to lose. High-sec isn't "blinky blinky lalala"-land. It's just safER than other parts of space. After 2 years of EVE you really should have learned at least that.
Finn McCoul wrote: Concord just isnGÇÖt enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesnGÇÖt protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?
Concord did something: the gankers lost their ships. It's not Concords job to make high sec perfectly safe and PvP free. AFAIK there are anti-ganking groups. You could have contacted them before flying through a dangerous system like Uedama and ask for advice/help.
Finn McCoul wrote:People will claim itGÇÖs part of GÇ£freedomGÇ¥ within the game but whereGÇÖs my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK? Freedom in EVE means you are allowed to do whatever you want - not that things are perfectly safe, or that you don't have to fight for achieving your goals. Go play Elite:Dangerous if you prefer that type of "freedom".
EDIT: btw, you can't do moon mining in highsec and in low/null sec a corp with your attitude wouldn't keep their POS for even a week. |

Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
241
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:08:36 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/47400278/
Also dude how do you and your corp not know basic game mechanics? ? Ransoming is legal Blowing you up is legal Joinimg you OPEN recruitment channel is legal.
I just find it had to believe that people can play this video game for so long and be sooooo oblivious still.
But he is. He really is that oblivious. He is a loser He is a quitter
Maybe before starting your next video game adventure (reccomend WoW), you should read the FAQs and Wikis and FREAKING INSTRUCTION MANUAL FIRST SO YOU LEARN THE BASIC GAME MECHANICS
Good riddance |

Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
241
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:09:58 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Tempted to think this is a CODE alt
I know right. But you can check his and corps history.
He just REALLY IS that much of a quitter and loser and totally oblivious to the basic game mechanics.
Ie typical hisec miner |

Stacy Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:13:50 -
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Finn McCoul wrote: People will claim itGÇÖs part of GÇ£freedomGÇ¥ within the game but whereGÇÖs my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK?
Your freedom is that you have a choice. Either being stupid, ignorant and careless and of course loosing your freighter, or being smart and careful and being safe.
From your post I gather that you broke the first and foremost important rule of EVE: Dont fly what you can not afford to loose. If you are playing EVE for 3 years, 2B in losses shouldn't be something that cripplles you, especially not if paid for from the whole corp anyways.
You can easily avoid getting ganked , so use the tools available: - Use a scout. Don't jump into abvious gate camps - Use a webbing alt. That character can also be your scout. If you can't afford a Loki (which you should), use a huggin or even some cheap T1 cruiser or frig. But Loki works best, 45km+ webbing range with faction mods. - Get intel. Look at your friggin in-game map. You don't even need to read out of game sites to see that Amarr is burning, for example
- Get over it. It was 1 against 19. What do you expect? You can easily avoid the gank with a webbing alt, that is still 2:19 odds and they have virtually no chance of getting you.
- Take it as a lesson and grow from it. You want to do moon ming? Don't try it if you are whining about gank losses, because low sec / null sec is a very different beast then high sec and nobody gives a **** if your feelings are hurt when they tear down your precious POS.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23983
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:19:19 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Dear CCP,
After over 2 years of play, I will be cancelling my EVE sub at the end of July.
Today, I was ganked in high sec in a freighter - the freighter some people bought a PLEX for and donated that ISK to the corp so we could buy it.
It started when roughly 3 ships started to intercept me at a gate which kept knocking me of course and in turn prevented me from warping. I was then asked for 300 mil in ISK for a GÇ£passGÇ¥ which I refused and to be frank I would actually call that a ransom. After that someone else tried to contact me but I refused their chat invite and then 19 ships decided to take out me out. The freighter was lost and so was our Orca which again was bought for by player donations. Over 2 billion in losses which our corp simply canGÇÖt afford to replace. If your corp couldn't afford to replace it, why were they using it?
Quote:If that grief wasnGÇÖt enough one of the gankers then decided to join our open recruitment channel to then inform us (if we didnGÇÖt already know by this point) we had been ganked and then posted our kill reports to us. We were then informed that I should have indeed bought a GÇ£passGÇ¥. All this was in high sec on my way to Jita and to quite frank a little creepy.
EVE is demanding, and at times punishing, itGÇÖs part of the game but it is also very rewarding. We were hoping to set up POSGÇÖs to start moon mining and ice mining - something weGÇÖd been looking forward to for some time and building up towards it but with the loss of our only freighter and Orca it now means that our plan is on indefinite hiatus. Just as we had started to get somewhere weGÇÖre pushed to the ground and now we just donGÇÖt feel like getting up again. Such is the nature of the beast; activities like extortion, ganking scams etc, that are banned in many other games are considered normal gameplay in Eve.
CCP's definition of griefing is what counts in Eve, and this wasn't it.
Quote:Concord just isnGÇÖt enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesnGÇÖt protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this?
People will claim itGÇÖs part of GÇ£freedomGÇ¥ within the game but whereGÇÖs my freedom to be able to move from one high sec system to another and not being extorted for ISK? Concord are not there to protect you, they are they to inflict punishment on people who commit the crime of unsanctioned aggression; nothing more, nothing less.
You have the freedom to try and play Eve as you want to, others have the freedom to try and play Eve as they want to; sometimes the way that they want to play conflicts with the way that you want to play. Freedom in Eve is a conflict driver.
Quote:I enjoy EVE, I bought the Second Decade set, the LE Source book and the LE Art of New Eden books so itGÇÖs like having to leave a club you enjoy going to because there is a large group making your time there unpleasant for you so to be honest itGÇÖs sad to go but unless we start again from the start, we have no way of moving forward.
Sorry for the moan but really, extorting ISK out of players is really a step too far.
Kind regards Finn McCoul Extortion is a time honoured and explicitly allowed practice in Eve.
You should read this post by CCP Falcon if you're in any doubt about the kind of game Eve is.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
10066
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:20:05 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Both his freighter and Orca probably had zero tank and were fitted with nothing but cargo expanders and/or astronomic mods. Ack you beat me to the most obvious. Also, if they started harassing you afterwards, you probably tossed them some tears, they came back begging for moar.
This point you can live and learn, or rage-quit 
What is best about the system is that there is no real game mechanic to hide behind here. So many games I've seen lots of morons hide behind the system and technically grief people (SKing, death trains, bad mouthing etc whatever). Can still do that here (in ways), but then you can shoot them in the face in return. Then shoot them in the face again tomorrow. But if you whine about it, well they know you prolly are just going to rage-quit at some point anyway.
I see OoPE in the cards for this thread.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1727
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:35:51 -
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These CODE alts are really going over the top with their "roleplaying"
- scouts - web alts - freighter alliances like Red Frog. - keeping your eggs in more than one basket. - knowing the ganker corps and alliances in known ganking trade route systems. - closer trade hub
So many ways to do things better. How did you take all the time to learn to fly that ship but not know any of these things?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
248
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:42:10 -
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Sctosman has never gave up! Stand up from your knees take the dirt off your cloths take the tears off your face and keep moving. |

Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
241
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:45:21 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:These CODE alts are really going over the top with their "roleplaying"
- scouts - web alts - freighter alliances like Red Frog. - keeping your eggs in more than one basket. - knowing the ganker corps and alliances in known ganking trade route systems. - closer trade hub
So many ways to do things better. How did you take all the time to learn to fly that ship but not know any of these things?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47173051/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47179788/ Its not code alt. 2 lowsec untanked haulers carrying POS towers lost Few other funny losses on their killboards if you search.
They are just typical idiot bear miners |

Pixie Tickle
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.06.21 12:45:50 -
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Quote:There was an issue with parsing this post's Babycode.
I'm the distraction.
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Livonia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
47
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:04:17 -
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I'm confused...
"Here at Circling Skies we specialize in mining, exploration and mission running."
If you were any good at missioning you really wouldn't be mining and if you are any good at exploration, chances are you wouldn't want to run missions. Any avid explorer will make several billion each week, for a group/corp to claim it something they specialize in, you should likely be making even more. The 2 billion loss shouldn't be that bad a blow really, even for 2 or 3 people running missions it's barely a week worth of lvl 4's.
I pew you too! <3
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:08:23 -
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I'm glad everyone here feels the same way I do.
Simply put, flying in an untanked freighter, WITH NO F***ING INSURANCE, carrying valuable cargo makes that person look like this
I even bolded, underlined and italicized the important things you did wrong cause I'm feeling generous. |

yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
24
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:09:50 -
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If your corp doesn't make enough to buy a freighter, you should probably do something else. But I doubt that is the case this time.
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:29:14 -
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ROFL!!!
Just looked at his corp info in-game on my main. You guys will appreciate this:
Being a member of Circling Skies entitles you to the following benefits:
* Mining & mission ships available to use by our members.
* Loadout advice.
* Training and tutorials if requested.
* The hope to run monthly expeditions around the universe.
* Tax rate of 0.0%
Loadout advice, training and tutorials...hmmm.....  
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Stevonix
4
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:42:42 -
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Sorry to hear of your decision. EVE is a harsh game unfortunately and too many players leave because of setbacks. For some the reason to leave is ganking while for others it's a quick boredom setting in. For some subscribers in the future it will be because of Larus argentatus' vision... whatever.
There is a saying in EVE that you don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If you were setting yourselves up as industrialists then ship losses and POS losses must be part of your risk assessment as they are just a feature of this game. You pick yourselves up and get on with your game, not making the same errors twice helps. There was talk of a 'Burn Amarr'-right?
I hope however that you find a game more suited to your expectations and sorry that EVE has proved too tough as we can't afford to lose many more subscribers.
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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
2
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Posted - 2015.06.21 13:44:43 -
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Thank you guys for some of your words of encouragement, yes I know not to fly what I can't afford to replace and all that stuff and "rage quitting" probably isn't the best way to go about it, nor was ranting over on the forums however I hope you can understand the feelings at the time.
Besides, I never expected kind comments in return and such but Carrie-Anne Moss took it to a whole other level. Thank you for all those words of advice Carrie. |

Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
419
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Posted - 2015.06.21 14:04:29 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Thank you guys for some of your words of encouragement, yes I know not to fly what I can't afford to replace and all that stuff and "rage quitting" probably isn't the best way to go about it, nor was ranting over on the forums however I hope you can understand the feelings at the time.
Besides, I never expected kind comments in return and such but Carrie-Anne Moss took it to a whole other level. Thank you for all those words of advice Carrie.
Carrie-Anne Moss is best to be ignored completely. You can hide her posts. I have as well because they are way beyond annoying on these forums. |

Kaivar Lancer
Little Rat Company
615
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Posted - 2015.06.21 14:11:23 -
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I once got ganked in a T1 industrial with no tank. I had over 1b isk in goods.
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11736285
According to eve-kill, I've lost over 2b in my lifetime. The ISK will flow back to you. |
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