9 pages and you guys didnt realize that this is a viable oversized MWD ship, really?

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It's close. I will have to redo my LML fits with the new modules however.
The ROF, tracking and dps are impressive.
I'm doing theoretical max fits, not best-case combat fits btw.

[Hecate, Hecate Sniper-test]

33% cycle time reduction is like a 50% rep amount increase at the cost of more cap, but with the benefit of reduced chance of bleedthrough. So you got 1.5 mods worth in that one slot, then to add the resist bonus even, as opposed to other T3Ds that have already proven being dumb active tanks with just the resist bonus. Since it allows you to fit mwd, CB, scram, web together with 2 magstabs, SAR+DCU and 10 effective turrets, I simply call stupid.

A 50mn fit can either go 5km/s (which takes 17 seconds to reach) and shoot out to 40km or shoot out to 70KM but go 200m/s and no damage mods. Not exactly the ideal sniper ship.

*continues to ignore the massive 50% increase in cap cost*
*continues to ignore that 40 sig instead of 70 is a huge deal*

I honestly don't know how I can get you to acknowledge the cap cost. The 10 turrets is balanced by the fact that they use 33% more capacitor, generate more heat, and the Hecate is extremely slow so it's more difficult to apply those turrets. The increased cap cost of the guns and reppers puts a ton of strain on your cap if you want to constantly run everything. If they remove the repping bonus they'd need to completely redesign the ship.

If the Hecate has an extra half slot built in from its cycle time reduction, the other T3Ds have a build in high-grade halo set and perfect off-grid Evasive Maneuvering links from their sig reduction. Your logic makes no sense.

Corm and Harpy obviously do less DPS, but they both go faster and have 95km and 107km range respectively. The corm's also way cheaper.

Jackdaw goes 20m/s slower, has 101km range, and 3 less DPS.

Yeah, 220 DPS rail boats are really going to blot out the sun....unless you lack 20 of them. But when people have 20 sniper Cormorants, you could say the same thin anyway. Yawn.

When the new Missile Targeting Computer/Enhancer modules are released the Jackdaw will be able to hit from much longer range (140km+ might be possible). Hecate will not out-snipe it, a different tactic is required. Missile disruption perhaps?...

When runing a cap booster for any serious *duke-it-out-fit*, keeping up the SAR or the SAR*1.5 is not a big deal. It just isn't. I run a dualrep astero that has less cap and needs even more to run both SARs and barely ever inject a charge. Until now, it feels about the same way for the hecate.

A svipul got a 50m sig, a 40m sig is a confessor - in defensive mode. My sabre got a 85m sigrad and still gets under a T3's guns without a web, so having a web and half the speed puts the hecate as even better. On SiSi stuff is hard to judge as you're rarely shot at by just one person, but going 1v1 with a cruiser is well possible, and 50 or 70 sig don't make much difference when you can tank him already without moving... (~500 ehp/s with links, no heat/exile)

So yeah, bite me. The way the hecate is going to be used (iE there's a cloaky 5km next to the target already to warp to, you drop combats and bounce down, you OH mwd one/two cycles to shoot right on top of him - you really can't screw this one up, if you're webbed at 13 you can still defense up and coast into range), there really is no need for even better sigtank or less cap usage.

I'll add this to my bio, so next year I can chuckle...

Got in it. First impressions..

It's pretty. The modes are VERY subtle. They need a little more... Flair.

There are more than enough counters to missiles, we do not need more of that ****. As soon as missiles apply damage we can talk, not before.

I love how people build extreme ships then hold them up as a point of comparison. To get 140km you are going to need 2x or 3x MGC II with range scripts, a SeBo with range script, and 2-3 range rigs. So yes if you want to make a gimped range fit for extreme range you can do it. But Jackdaws are still slow, so once caught such a ship is going boom real quick.

Light missiles and rockets apply pretty well, so I don't see that argument coming into play with small weapon systems as the topic.

Now back to reality. Rail fit Hecate will not be for long range sniping as a solo or small gang fit. I can see it coming into a specialized doctrine like slippery petes where a Hecate range rail fit warps in 70km off a target, unload a couple volleys in sharpshooter mode, switch to prop and fast align warp out and back in again from another vector.

It is always valid to explore and compare the extreme possibilities of ships.

The reason I don't like it is it often causes nerfs to the mainstream uses so that the rare extremes are not too abusive.

I get the feeling this will be very strong with its sheer amount of HP from damage control in both hull and armor supplemented by armor reps to keep things topped off.

Mr. Fozzie you created a monster!

[Hecate, Gideon Goldenbelly's Hecate]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Reactor Control Unit II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II

125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
125mm Railgun II
Auto Targeting System I

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

With a single-rep fit, yes, you can run stable with a CB. But with your SAR II/DC II/magstab II x 2 fit with perfect links only yields you 278.25 EHP/s before exile or heat. Even if you go all the way up to an a-type repper you'll get 408.3. Idk where you got 500.

Your Sabre goes twice as fast as the Hecate when scrammed, of course it'll have an easier time getting under guns. Also a lot of cruisers go faster than the Hecate when scrammed. So there's not a whole lot of orbiting you could do to get under their guns unless they don't have a web.

Also I never said the Hecate needs better sig tank or cap usage. It's high sig and cap use are balancing factors in its tank. But, let's say the defense bonus is entirely broken, and it is admittedly strong, what actual replacement do you propose, because removing it 'in favor of nothing' isn't an actual solution.

Sorry never been this intrigued by a new ship release but how do they seed the BPs? NPC faction with LP or isk?

EFT is lame for T3D's, or i'm dumb and can't find how to change modes.. but even without the prop mode, its goes 3800 m/s (5500 heated), and has 8k EHP. Align time, 32s. WITHOUT PROP MODE.

If someone else has a fitting tool that can enable prop mode.. 66% intertia modifier and speed modifier.. what do those numbers change to? If my math's are right, speed goes up to 6264 cold and 9211 heated. And i think align time will be around 20s to mid teens? Which isn't half bad for a 10mn MWD. Plus.. cap reduction. Its like it was made for 10mn MWD

Could probably change web to Tracking computer.. since nothing will catch you.

Disclaimer: I am in no way saying this is good. Just amusing, and someone could have fun with it, and still be kinda sorta useful in a fleet.

Iirc (not on my home pc), right click in the ship fitting window of a T3D and it should give you an option to switch modes. It maybe you have to right click in one of the lower tabs (boosters/projected bonus/whatever else) of the ship fitting window but I'm sure it's in the main one.