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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:10:50 -
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Goddamn, that thing is gonna be like a very mobile death star... |
erg cz
ErgoDron
294
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:31:21 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Goddamn, that thing is gonna be like a very mobile death star...
With 170 m/s base speed? Hardly. AB frigates will be able to outrun it even if poor thing will be MWD fitted... It is a Machariel (battle ship) speed. |
Mr Spaxi
Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
46
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:53:47 -
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Compared to a Death Star, anything is mobile - duuuh. I like this ship, it approves of my favorite low sec warfare tactics - overwhelming DPS then GTFO. Time for my Polarized Catalyst to take a back seat. I have to admit I am surprised by no drones approach, was totally expecting 3 Turrets with 5/4/5 configuration and a drone bonus instead of a tracking bonus. No drones on any T3 destroyer is really a surprising decision.
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HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
365
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:54:57 -
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erg cz wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Goddamn, that thing is gonna be like a very mobile death star... With 170 m/s base speed? Hardly. AB frigates will be able to outrun it even if poor thing will be MWD fitted... It is a Machariel (battle ship) speed. What AB frig is anywhere near as fast as this thing? |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:06:28 -
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FT Cold wrote:I do like that it's strengths are more offset in some ways than the others. Having a MWD bonus and low base speed is a good way to counter such incredibly powerful brawling ability. The rep speed bonus is a nice touch too, good burst, while burning through nanite paste will keep the EHP gains down to a tolerable level. It might make brawling worthwhile again. We'll see.
I don't think the increase rep cycles applies to the ancillary armor reppers, just the regular armor reppers.
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Oddsodz
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
A Band Apart.
155
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:20:55 -
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Any chance of making the 6th slot on the high a missile hard point? I want to fire defender missiles for when that bit*h of a speed creeping Garmur gets point on me. Go on, Let me have my defender missiles please ;-) |
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1429
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:24:07 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:erg cz wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Goddamn, that thing is gonna be like a very mobile death star... With 170 m/s base speed? Hardly. AB frigates will be able to outrun it even if poor thing will be MWD fitted... It is a Machariel (battle ship) speed. What AB frig is anywhere near as fast as this thing?
Succubus.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:32:27 -
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So what do you intend to do about the Confessor. It was the first T3D you released and ironically it would officially be the worst once this thing is let loose. I'm tempted into training Gallente Destroyers but i'm still skeptical that by the time I'm able to fly it, that it would be viewed in the eyes of the masses that it's too powerful and be hit with the nerf axe and be reduce to Oblivion status along side the Confessor. Also I can't shake the feeling that both the Confessor & Svipul are unfinished.
So before I train for anymore T3Ds, I'd really like someone from CCP to tell me what happens next for the Confessor & Svipul. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1122
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Posted - 2015.06.22 11:47:56 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:So what do you intend to do about the Confessor. It was the first T3D you released and ironically it would officially be the worst once this thing is let loose. I'm tempted into training Gallente Destroyers but i'm still skeptical that by the time I'm able to fly it, that it would be viewed in the eyes of the masses that it's too powerful and be hit with the nerf axe and be reduce to Oblivion status along side the Confessor. Also I can't shake the feeling that both the Confessor & Svipul are unfinished.
So before I train for anymore T3Ds, I'd really like someone from CCP to tell me what happens next for the Confessor & Svipul.
Confessor will remain the strongest kite just as it is now. Svipuls are only dangerous at about 1.5km and die like flies if you web them (after months people still didn't figure this one out).
Even more, thanks to double utility highs, the confessor will continue to be the dominant RR-choice, whereas the hecate will be much more... limited.
Confessor: Any kiting, RR-fits, pve
Svipul: Glorified scrambler with decent 0m-dps and combats
Jackdaw: Something like a 260+dps LML maulus or decent heavy tackle (with combats)
Hecate: Approach vaga, kill it against ASB reps
Looks like they don't overlap a lot. |
John Lawyer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2015.06.22 12:06:10 -
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Though it is quite easy to control range against solo Hecate - its complete nightmare when you'll face 3-5 of them (fleet format).
If I understood right - with gank fit and cheap 3%+3% damage implants Hecate can hit 1000dps?
Seems OP, which means I have to train it asap :) |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1104
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Posted - 2015.06.22 12:10:19 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:hull tanking is pretty stupid. AAR tristans/comets were already the best frigates for solo type stuff, and then they got most of their AAR hitpoints replaced by a larger amount of hull buffer.
it's not exactly stimulating gameplay - no powergrid usage, no mobility or sig penalties, it's buffer so you can't alpha it, it's capless and it has omni resists. I sure do love flying minmatar and dictating range, choosing damage types and neuting people out.
everyone seems to think it's really hilarious and amazing for some reason, but I don't see that hull tanking adds anything of value to the game. if the only downside is 'can't be remote repped', then I guess buffer shield/armour tanking is only so you can receive remote reps? The fact that it's "stupid" is why people like it! Plus because it's looked so down on, you get a huge ego boost for using it. If you lose, you can tell yourself, "Well I hull tanked, what did I expect?" If you win, "LOL HULL TANK SUPREMACY!!!"
all I'm getting from this is that you're one of the bad people. I see hull tanks pretty much non-stop in lowsec. maybe it was funny the first couple of times, but it's really pretty dull now. triple-tank tristans are pretty funny though, in a 'this game is so stupid, I hate it' way. |
John Lawyer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2015.06.22 12:29:58 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:triple-tank tristans are pretty funny though, in a 'this game is so stupid, I hate it' way.
Well, they are effective in some situations.
For example, I really love tripple-tanked (MASB+AAR+3hull rigs) tristans/comets for hero tackling because their good base hull HP.
Hull buffer is absolutely needed to prevent gaps in rep cycles when dealing with dpsey stuff (esp. with Orthrus).
If its stupid but still efficient - its ok for me :) |
Arla Sarain
512
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:04:48 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:erg cz wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Goddamn, that thing is gonna be like a very mobile death star... With 170 m/s base speed? Hardly. AB frigates will be able to outrun it even if poor thing will be MWD fitted... It is a Machariel (battle ship) speed. What AB frig is anywhere near as fast as this thing?
The ones that fit scrams like they should. |
Oddsodz
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
A Band Apart.
155
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:29:30 -
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Too all the folks who are bitching about the so called high DPS. That DPS is coming from Small BLASTERS. And that DPS is only going to hit if you are dumb enough to get with in 2km of the Hecate and sit still. Small Blasters don't track like auto cannons. A buffer blaster fit will only be deadly to you if you let it get close. Just like the rest of the blaster line up of GAL ships. Don't be dumb and let it it close. As somebody who was Flying a HULL Tanked Blaster no bubble fit Eris in Lowsec from day 1 of the the release of HULL RIGS. I can tell you that the things that kill me the most are all ships that can kite and apply damage at above 14km. Navy Slicer and Garma are my bane. Kite Tristan and Kestrels are no joke. Rail Comets and Arty Firetails with a TD is a hard fish to fry.
So no, This amount of DPS is not OP. in fact. I am still in two minds if it will replace my HULL tank fit Eris cost wise. But Duel web will be a thing for me. |
Arla Sarain
512
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:53:55 -
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Oddsodz wrote:Small Blasters don't track like auto cannons
What kind of blasters? Are you comparing Void Neutrons to bonused 125mms?
Cos Navy loaded Neutron comets have 0.6 rad/s tracking without tracking rigs. Electrons with tracking bonuses and 2 tracking rigs have almost a radian tracking. You will get hit whether you stand or sit.
Just trying to understand where the comparison is... Cos blasters beat ACs in tracking. |
Gremk
The Red Island Foundation
Shadow Cartel
18
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:10:20 -
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Pretty neat that it is hull resist + armor rep bonus but I've never been a fan of the reduced cycle time of reps VS armor rep amount. Ancis are going to be gone in like 10 seconds. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11483
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:16:38 -
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I'm gonna rat with it!  |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
2250
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:19:25 -
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Gremk wrote:Pretty neat that it is hull resist + armor rep bonus but I've never been a fan of the reduced cycle time of reps VS armor rep amount. Ancis are going to be gone in like 10 seconds.
As the Jackdaw has the only Missile reload bonus in the game. It would be cool if the Hecate was the only ship with a strong local Hull repair bonus. (Instead of the Armor) Giving bonuses to BOTH Armor and Hull is semi silly. Make this ship a true Hull tanking ship!
Defense Mode:
Remove the Armor Resist bonus, slightly increase the hull resists, and give it a nice (local) Hull rep bonus!
That would make it *REALLY* unique...and badass!
Comon Fozzie, make this one little thing happen!!!
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Eliana Eros
Neon Incorporated
404 Alliance Not Found
32867
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:23:24 -
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But...but...my T3 drone boat dreams are ruined.
GÖÑ's and Glomps for everyone...well almost everyone.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
733
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:24:56 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
HECATE
Propulsion Mode:
66.6% bonus to Microwarpdrive speed boost and reduction in Microwarpdrive capacitor use while Propulsion Mode is active
66.6% bonus to ship inertia modifier while Propulsion Mode is active
Ah, the usual Gallente double bonus.
Ignoring that, the sum of the bonuses is 133.2%, while it is 100% for all of the other 3 T3Ds.
Grave inconsistency. 
Quote:Let us know what you think!
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1312
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:29:35 -
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I guess most of you that are complaining about the Hecate's base max velocity have forgotten it has the same base max V as the Jackdaw, the same inertia modifier, and a 66.7% bonus to MWD max velocity bonus. Usign a T2 MWD, that would be 170*1.25 (Navigation)*5.05*1.25(Accel Ctrl)*1.67=2240 before links or heat. Add, heat (x1.5), and links (x1.35) and we're talking 4536m/s. And it has a huge cap usage reduction. So it should have no issues with perma-MWDing around forever.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
733
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:34:50 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Yikes that is a low speed. Couldn't bump that up to 185? Brick tanked cruisers can outrun this thing.
They can?
The mass of the ship is 980,000 kg, but don't tell anyone.
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Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:55:51 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
HECATE
Propulsion Mode:
66.6% bonus to Microwarpdrive speed boost and reduction in Microwarpdrive capacitor use while Propulsion Mode is active
66.6% bonus to ship inertia modifier while Propulsion Mode is active
Ah, the usual Gallente double bonus. Ignoring that, the sum of the bonuses is 133.2%, while it is 100% for all of the other 3 T3Ds. Grave inconsistency. Smile
Because every bonus is equal in value...oh no wait they are not. Comparing ships based on your reasoning is an exercise in futility. It takes none of the base stats into account which plays into the balance of mode bonuses. If the base speed wasn't 25% less than 2 of the other ships then I could see your complaint and comparison. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
737
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:56:39 -
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Yes indeed, give me a double hull bonus for the Confessor: Energy Turret Activation Cost & Tracking.
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
1013
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:00:04 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:this looks like it'll be the highest dps destroyer in the game if I'm not wrong
What you mean to say is that it will actually be a viable choice for missions?
CSM 11 Candidate
My Lore Predictions
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Elenna Twin
Losing All Hope Was Freedom
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:29:55 -
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Zappity wrote:In this case they have taken what is probably the most powerful pre-T3D small ship, the Comet, and doubled it's power.
The Hecate is nowhere near a buffed version of the Comet. The Comet strenghs come from its drones and it's relatively high speed (and low mass), coupled with high turret DPS. The Hecate only has the latter.
Anyway, as a fan of brawling blaster ships I kinda expected the Hecate to be one of them, but I hardly see how its gonna apply its DPS while scrammed, with this base speed (unless you want to fit 2 webs, which means you're going to fly without a rep to compensate the lack of a cap booster, making one of the Defense Mode bonus pretty useless). It kinda concerns me that the Hecate will have the speed of a real Gallente ship only while in Propulsion Mode (and the crappy Caldari-like speed with the MWD off). |
Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:38:26 -
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Elenna Twin wrote:
Anyway, as a fan of brawling blaster ships I kinda expected the Hecate to be one of them, but I hardly see how its gonna apply its DPS while scrammed, with this base speed (unless you want to fit 2 webs, which means you're going to fly without a rep to compensate the lack of a cap booster, making one of the Defense Mode bonus pretty useless). It kinda concerns me that the Hecate will have the speed of a real Gallente ship only while in Propulsion Mode (and the crappy Caldari-like speed with the MWD off).
I am not a fan of the slow speed either, but at the same time, the Fan community have been complaining relentlessly about the speed meta and speed power creep. Then they introduce 2 slow ships and everyone complains about the speed. 
I'd like to see speeds toned down in other areas, but I guess as long as they are listening and not adding to the problem that is a  good thing
I'd rather see a more average speed than slow, but I can't help but smile at the irony. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
690
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:05:31 -
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Now that the boat is on SiSi, do you mind seeding the book so we can make some things to try out?
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
13010
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:23:20 -
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elitatwo wrote:Now that the boat is on SiSi, do you mind seeding the book so we can make some things to try out?
The skillbook should be on the market after SISI's update tomorrow.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
690
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:26:12 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:elitatwo wrote:Now that the boat is on SiSi, do you mind seeding the book so we can make some things to try out? The skillbook should be on the market after SISI's update tomorrow.
Aww.. Thank you!
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