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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
2250
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Posted - 2015.06.22 03:04:35 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:hull resistance bonus.
Give that to Capital Industrial Ships please....!
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Wild Things
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Warlords of the Deep
27
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Posted - 2015.06.22 03:16:28 -
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Sard Caid wrote:Given the tracking bonus and and dedication to armor / hull tanking, why not swap a midslot to a lowslot? For active tanking the Hecate would see better gank / tank potential while paying cost in tackle capacity, a blow softened by the tracking bonus. Swapping a midslot for a lowslot would favor hull buffer tanking which is a Hecate hallmark, or gank potential to Eris levels DPS levels.
I doubt there would be a need to adjust fitting, given typical midslot / lowslot module type CPU needs have similar requirements.
Or better yet remove a midslot entirely.
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Wild Things
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Warlords of the Deep
27
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Posted - 2015.06.22 03:27:12 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:
The fact that it's "stupid" is why people like it! Plus because it's looked so down on, you get a huge ego boost for using it.
If you lose, you can tell yourself, "Well I hull tanked, what did I expect?"
If you win, "LOL HULL TANK SUPREMACY!!!"
C'mon Chance, you know he meant stupid as in imbalanced. Don't be dense.
And he's right. not only is hull tanking dreadfully boring, hull tanking is by far the most fitting-efficient tanking method in the game. The fact that it's encouraged so heavily for gallente ships only adds to their dominance (the other part being that drones are strong), which results in the meta being as stale as it is currently.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
690
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Posted - 2015.06.22 03:57:34 -
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...anyhow I am of to probe myself back to Empire to get one of the Gallente destroyer books- weeeeeeh.
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Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.06.22 04:36:15 -
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Very interesting, I look forward to playing with this beastly ship. You really are taking things in a polarizing direction making this D3 a little less versatile then the other 3, yet powerful in its own ways.
The only thing I don't like is it seems to have no viable AB option, low base speed and no bonus in prop mode. Since no sig reduction in any mode and MWD being the hulls designed prop mod, I would add a MWD sig reduction bonus in somewhere. |
FT Cold
The Scope
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.06.22 04:43:51 -
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I do like that it's strengths are more offset in some ways than the others. Having a MWD bonus and low base speed is a good way to counter such incredibly powerful brawling ability. The rep speed bonus is a nice touch too, good burst, while burning through nanite paste will keep the EHP gains down to a tolerable level. It might make brawling worthwhile again. We'll see. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2455
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Posted - 2015.06.22 05:27:14 -
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I don't know what meth you people are smoking when you say hull tanking is "stale' or "lame" or OP. It is buffer tanking, where you trade off DPS for EHP. It doesn't matter if you have hull buffer, armour buffer or shield. It is no worse a strategy than anything else.
That said, some of the input on balancing this ship has been...typical for those commenting. Balancing ships based on "LOL I DIEDED" is handy.
I think this will be a pretty powerful ship, but with very limited capabilities. Around 24K EHP in defensive mode, a stonking active armour burst tank but not really a great sustained one with the AAR's. It wont be that great for kiting, because small rails suck and your mbility is balls outside of prop mode.
If the jackdaw experience is anything to go by, you'd have a great ship if it could run all 3 modes at once, but the choice of mode is a problem so it is meh. Like...slow but good proection in sharpshooter, and you get run down and ganked. Kitey but no DPS with prop mode and rails. Stronk tank, but slow and poor projection in defensive mode.
So i think it's going to purely be buffer gank, MWD scram-web blaster mode. Which is fine - a gank Catalyst with steroid tank.
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Market Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.06.22 05:34:46 -
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Destoya wrote:859 DPS with 3x T2 MFS (no gun rig), 810 with 2x MFS and a burst aerator including the double 3% hardwirings Suitonia's video is a bit outdated since they nerfed t2 gun rigs since then if I remember right, DPS is only ~750
A max skills polarized Eris can reach 1006 dps, which has actually been proven effective in PvP in low sec against the other D3s and an assortment of other ships. I fully expect the Hecate to reach 1200+ easily with the same fit and a little more buffer tank due to the extra rig slot and the extra two mids to control range.
This ship is the final piece in a circle that is called Tactical Destroyers whose mission is to completely obsolete everything and anything underneath T3 destroyers. Once this gets let lose there will no longer be any need to fly smaller ships. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
1861
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Posted - 2015.06.22 05:54:20 -
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Sounds fine to me
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HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
365
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Posted - 2015.06.22 05:59:03 -
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So, heavy cruiser dps, light cruiser tank, destroyer sig, and heavy frig speed? That's balanced. |
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 06:21:01 -
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Are you going to code in One Winged Angel to start playing every time one lands on grid? |
Yeshmiel
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
0
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Posted - 2015.06.22 06:28:48 -
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I think the trick to this ship, more so then the other D3s, is to master the mode shift. Pulsing MWD while in prop mode, switching to snipe when you are in position and controlling range and cap / sig penalty that way. The hull bonus to help off set pilot error. I like the concept personally, even if I was hoping my near maxed drone skills would be useful I am still pretty excited about this ship so far. |
Ranamar
Valkyries of Night
Of Sound Mind
89
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Posted - 2015.06.22 06:29:33 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:hull resistance bonus. Give that to Capital Industrial Ships please....! Looks like it might replace the Sniping Cormorant...
Not really... the Cormorant lives or dies by its 1.5*1.5 = 2.25 (i.e. 125%) optimal bonus; the Hecate gets half that.
So, instead of getting, say, a 90km (this is representative) optimal, they'd get a 40km optimal in tank/prop modes and something like a 68km optimal in sharpshooter mode. |
Quendishir
Wormhole Engineers
Greater Realms
6
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Posted - 2015.06.22 06:41:21 -
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Where the hell do you get "effectively ten turrets" for this thing? That math of yours is bad, and mine is terrible. |
Lydia Maulerant
Valkyries of Night
Of Sound Mind
10
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Posted - 2015.06.22 06:47:04 -
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Is there any chance some of the blaster bonus, either ROF or damage, could be reduced slightly to allow a 5m3 drone bay and 5mbit/s bandwidth? I always thought that was a really cool property of small Gallente ships, and it would be awesome to see the Gallente T3 destroyer carry on in that vein. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
129
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Posted - 2015.06.22 06:58:35 -
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Quendishir wrote:Where the hell do you get "effectively ten turrets" for this thing? That math of yours is bad, and mine is terrible.
5 X 1.5 / 0.75 = 10 |
Agent Orange7
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:01:58 -
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it should get a bonus to hull repair cycle time to try to make an active hull tank more viable. that would be awesome. |
Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc.
Lasers Are Magic
30
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:05:34 -
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I like how we have gone from Confessor (no tracking bonus) -> Svipul (tracking bonus in mode) Hecate -> Base tracking bonus.
(Insert obligatory complaint about confessor not having a tracking bonus here).
This ship really doesn't need a triple bonus in defensive mode. Sure, no sig bonus is a trade off I suppose, but the active armor tanking potential on this ship is out of control. Four mids is the magic number for prop/scram/web/capbooster to enable a dual rep setup. The ship will have massive reps and the structure bonus will mitigate bleedthrough. Essentially this ship has all the normal weaknesses of a close range gallente ship, but it's advantages have been turned up to 11.
I don't expect this ship to be the pervasive problem child that the svipul is, but I do think that the Hecate will be very very out of control in certain environments. Will have to wait for some test server loving to put up more opinions. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
483
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:17:31 -
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My corp has started roaming nulls in Destroyers lately (To the inhabitants of Queirious, Delve, Catch and Curse you all suck btw, 5 destroyers 100 jump roam WE SAW NOONE!!!) And i believe i'll pick up 2 on launch day:) |
Shalashaska Adam
Partial Safety
95
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:17:52 -
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Perhaps a base sig of 60 would be more rounded.
Confessor has a base of 60, with a 33.3% global reduction bonus.
Svipul gets a base of 50 (still rediculous, should be raised to 60 really) with a 66.6% mwd reduction bonus.
This gets a base of 70, with no bonus whatsoever, on a ship made specifically to be mwd fit. |
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
207
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:29:55 -
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i'm sorry, am i the only one that think this ship will be too strong? 800+ dps? there are not many batleships out there that can manage that lvl of dps and a strong local tank, not even talking about applying that dps without the help of dedicated support ships...
so what's the point in flying anything below a tactical destroier ? except for intys, all the other "frigs" are reduced to "wrecks" in front of this new line of ships  |
Medria Lennelluc
Deep Stellar Coalition Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:48:53 -
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I would like to confirm that I understood that correctly. In the Base Post it says nothing about Base hull resists, only a bonus of 33%. However, 33% of 0 is 0, So you absolutely need a dc (no other module has it) to actually take advantage of the defensive mode hull resists. Did I understand that correctly? |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:52:39 -
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Medria Lennelluc wrote:I would like to confirm that I understood that correctly. In the Base Post it says nothing about Base hull resists, only a bonus of 33%. However, 33% of 0 is 0, So you absolutely need a dc (no other module has it) to actually take advantage of the defensive mode hull resists. Did I understand that correctly?
No you didn't. Turn on defensive mode you get 33% hull resist without a DCU. Put on a DCU and you get 60% of the 67% remaining hull resist, so something like 70ish I think. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Cataclysm Enterprises
Pandemic Legion
223
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:56:54 -
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Shalashaska Adam wrote:Perhaps a base sig of 60 would be more rounded.
Confessor has a base of 60, with a 33.3% global reduction bonus.
Svipul gets a base of 50 (still rediculous, should be raised to 60) with a 66.6% mwd reduction bonus.
This gets a base of 70, with no bonus whatsoever, on a ship made specifically to be mwd fit.
Other than that, I like how this looks, better than the overly conflicted jackdaw.
Hecate gets a big sig so it will be wrecked by anything bigger than a destroyer. It's one of the intended weaknesses.
As for the high DPS, thats with blasters which have low impact outside of scram range. Blaster-Hecate will have worse a Dmg projection than an Autocannon Svipul.
It comes down to actually testing this. Looks strong on paper but in the current speed'n'drone meta the drawbacks might proove sufficient to balance the ship out. |
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 07:56:54 -
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Medria Lennelluc wrote:I would like to confirm that I understood that correctly. In the Base Post it says nothing about Base hull resists, only a bonus of 33%. However, 33% of 0 is 0, So you absolutely need a dc (no other module has it) to actually take advantage of the defensive mode hull resists. Did I understand that correctly?
Its equivalent to adding a resist module with a 33% value to your ship.
Without a damage control, you will have 0 or 33% resists in hull.
With a T2 Damage control, you will have 60% or 73% resists in hull. |
Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
2246
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Posted - 2015.06.22 08:04:25 -
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gascanu wrote:i'm sorry, am i the only one that think this ship will be too strong? 800+ dps? there are not many batleships out there that can manage that lvl of dps and a strong local tank, not even talking about applying that dps without the help of dedicated support ships... so what's the point in flying anything below a tactical destroier ? except for intys, all the other "frigs" are reduced to "wrecks" in front of this new line of ships
They're fine. I took a Svipul out for the first time the other day and while I might have beaten a Caracal, Stabber and Atron in a 3v1 I died to a carrier. So that's OK. RLM Caracals aren't meant to be strong against destroyers anyway.
On a more serious note, I can't understand why anyone would fly any other frigate or destroyer. It makes me sad. In this case they have taken what is probably the most powerful pre-T3D small ship, the Comet, and doubled it's power. Plus a bit. Might be fun to fly but utterly toxic for the meta.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1128
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:10:39 -
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Lydia Maulerant wrote:Is there any chance some of the blaster bonus, either ROF or damage, could be reduced slightly to allow a 5m3 drone bay and 5mbit/s bandwidth? I always thought that was a really cool property of small Gallente ships, and it would be awesome to see the Gallente T3 destroyer carry on in that vein.
Please, no. One small drone is not worth giving up any turret DPS.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Matt Faithbringer
Red Horde Rising
5
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:25:34 -
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Evan Giants wrote:Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
why not 5/5? i mean it's gallente cmon
Yeah, I would like to see that too. But it would need to lose on turret for that, way to OP otherwise |
Matt Faithbringer
Red Horde Rising
5
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:27:24 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:So, heavy cruiser dps, light cruiser tank, destroyer sig, and heavy frig speed? That's balanced.
when you put it like that.. |
Arla Sarain
512
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Posted - 2015.06.22 09:29:19 -
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Matt Faithbringer wrote:Evan Giants wrote:Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
why not 5/5? i mean it's gallente cmon Yeah, I would like to see that too. But it would need to lose on turret for that, way to OP otherwise
I'd like to see it lose 2 turrets.
And get a drone bay of 10/10.
Cos screw the Hecate, that's why. Power creep is real. |
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