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Securion Wolfheart Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:06:00 - [31] "i cant kill someone!", "i cant break the tank!", "not enough dps!", "uber tanks! NERF!"... ok! So i guess no one dies or loose ships on the test server? Right? All weapons you are using are worthless and all the oponents tanks are "unbreakable"? Or is it that those who actually can kill someone on the testserver dosnt post here? Hmm....... -----====----- Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Gabriel Karade I have to disagree, I've been playing around with both ships on Sisi, both are awesome and different blaster boats, I do have maximum skills relating to blasterboats though, so I guess IÆm a little biasedà With the former I can tank over 900 dps from Hybrids while dealing out over 850 from turrets and drones, it's an immensely tough nut to ***, and has space for EW. With the latter, I deal even more DPS than my TQ setup, sufficient to destroy an Abaddon with barely a nick out of my armour (and more importantly not a single cap booster charge used), followed by warping over to a Raven, engaging, crashing to desktop, logging back in to find the Raven in a pod and my armour still above 70% (again, no cap charges used) - Cap really isn't that much of an issue if you manage it correctly. If you feel you canÆt compete in Revelations with either ship they donÆt bother trying. You are however mistaken, and I will be using both (and my Blaster Dominix) with no problemsà Are you sure you're not fighting T1 fitted noobs? Sounds like it to me. I kill those by the dozen, sometimes 2-3 at a time. Plenty of ships drop like rocks to my Hype, but whenever they do the reason is always the same: they're poorly fitted, poorly skilled and poorly piloted. When I fight ships of equal caliber to my own, the Hype loses every time. Only a noob would be impressed with your stories. An experienced player knows otherwise. Because I said so...**
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:12:00 - [33] Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 12:40:23 Quote: Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying Wink So lay some encouragement all up in here... Can you say that the people you beat were experienced, well set up, and as well skilled (sp-wise) as you? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
RoDs84	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:17:00 - [35] IMO when sufficiently close, blasterboats should be able to kill anything as intented. If you see Blasterthron MWDing towards you, you should weaken it enough before it comes close, to be able to kill it. If you cannot manage to do enough damage to a blasterboat before you caught, webbed and scrambled, you expect to be dead if there is no assist. Long fights and slight blaster nerf could have really taken out this (I didnt have the oppotunity to test), and if this is the case, the number of blasterboat pilots will be decreased drammatically because it will be a suicide ship. People will choose to fit NOS-Dominix s, cheaper, easier to fly, and more of a chance to win then blasterboats even in close range. To be able to solve above problem and dintinguish Hype and Mega, Hype can have 10% (or 7.5%) damage (plus falloff maybe) bonus to large blasters only (not all large hybrids), making Mega rail platform and Hype a true blaster platform. Mega - Rails Hype - Blasters Domi - Drones making more sense to me. Just a thought...
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:40:00 - [36] I lost my blaster hype today to another one, fitted with 5 nos and 3 guns :[. Nos >> blasters now it seems.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.25 13:50:00 - [37] Yeah, its not great. I want a Big Celestis, anyway. Chuck the hype in the bin.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:16:00 - [38] hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus..
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Breed Love hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus.. And the model needs to be completely redone... Because I said so...
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 12:40:23 Quote: Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying Wink So lay some encouragement all up in here... Can you say that the people you beat were experienced, well set up, and as well skilled (sp-wise) as you? All I can say is bar one unfortunate Hyperion Pilot, all were full tech II setups, but seen as there is a new mirror now, those killmails are gone so I can't prove anything, nor do I really care to. The sky is not falling, blasterboats are still fine, higher damage output that present is attainable with the right setup's and the correct rigs. Even the HP boost got knocked back to 25% - the main plank of Murder One's persistant whines... To be honest I'd quite enjoy it if half of the people moved on to other ships, it was always more fun flying a blasterthrons when fewer people used them. ---------- - Office Linebacker -

Bartholomeus Crane Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:54:00 - [41] Given the changes in Revelations, I frankly see no reason to use any other Gallente BS outside the Domi. The Blasterthron and the Blasterhype are useless because of the HP increase, and the Snipathron and Snipahype are completely overpowered by the Rohk. With the buggy implementation of drones, and the nerf to NOS and ECM, one can wonder what the point of the Domi is as well. I never got what was wrong with the Damperhype anyway ... -- Drone users unite! Support drone whinage
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 14:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 12:40:23 Quote: Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying Wink So lay some encouragement all up in here... Can you say that the people you beat were experienced, well set up, and as well skilled (sp-wise) as you? All I can say is bar one unfortunate Hyperion Pilot, all were full tech II setups, but seen as there is a new mirror now, those killmails are gone so I can't prove anything, nor do I really care to. The sky is not falling, blasterboats are still fine, higher damage output that present is attainable with the right setup's and the correct rigs. Even the HP boost got knocked back to 25% - the main plank of Murder One's persistant whines... To be honest I'd quite enjoy it if half of the people moved on to other ships, it was always more fun flying a blasterthrons when fewer people used them. Explain to me how it is possible to get more DPS out of a setup if I'm already using 8x Neutron IIs and 3x Magstab IIs? A 4th Magstab II? (which I would never use as it's a waste of a slot). Oh and drones don't factor into this, as we're assuming maxed drone skills. All I need is enough DPS to break a T2 Rokh tank before my cap runs dry. Assume I'm being nossed by 4 Heavy Diminishing nos. Should be simple really, since you're sooo successful with your Hype... Because I said so...
Rorix Whitecloud Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:06:00 - [43] Originally by: murder one SNIPPED MEGA/HYP SETUPS Wait what? where did the nos dissapear to? Repopulate Low Security! Goal: To blaster-fit every Caldari ship with a gun slot! :D
Sadayiel Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:48:00 - [44] Quote: All I need is enough DPS to break a T2 Rokh tank before my cap runs dry. Assume I'm being nossed by 4 Heavy Diminishing nos. Should be simple really, since you're sooo successful with your Hype... Read carefully the sentence, maybe you consider the facts in the opposite way than needed. Yes i agree with you murder one, i already used pure gank neutronII hyperion and i still ask me the same as the text i quoted, but i can see the slighty difference and irony. Banana's 4tw - Xorus
Jago X	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:08:00 - [45] yup the hyperion is a really sucky blasterboat atm. All i want from the hype is ... 1. The grid to fit neutrons + mwd + cap injector but not much else. 2. No active tanking bonuss. 3. Agility (more important that speed imo) so that we can stop quickly in gun range to actually put damage on a target. 4. Enough damage to make up for the need for MWD, web and the need to get to 2km to do this dmg, the vulnerability to ECm and nos and tracking disruptors and pretty much everthing else. Currently the hype is only good for solo killing NPCers. Its not a ship that will be in any way useful in any meaningful combat gang situation on TQ. The only good side to this is that ill shortly have caldari BS lvl4 and will be able to use a blaster rokh which will outclass a hype in all gang situations either with rails or blasters. JimmyCS oh btw the best setup i found for gang warfare was iirc 8Neturon Blaster Cannon IIs + void MWD heavy cap injector, 20km scram, dual 90% web DCU, EANM II. 3Mag stab IIs, RCU II 3Heavy T2 drones and 5Light T2 drones its good we got that really useful armor rep bonus
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:12:00 - [46] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Breed Love hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus.. And the model needs to be completely redone... technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game. And it's kinda growing on me. I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable. I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns. I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary? As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps... go figure. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:17:00 - [47] Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30 The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do. Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think about how to engage an opponent.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:20:00 - [48] I havn't looked into it, but is this not possible: Rokh has, automatically, better range, right? This means it needs less modules to reach the same range as a sniper Mega, for example. Doesn't this free up more slots for damage mods / tracking mods? Doesn't that kinda negate that disadvantage? -----------------------------------------------
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: murder one Originally by: Breed Love hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus.. And the model needs to be completely redone... technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game. And it's kinda growing on me. I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable. I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns. I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary? As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps... go figure. was referring to the domi model... And 1 hybrid rof rig is not +33% dps... lol, where are you getting that from? Because I said so...
Jago X	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30 The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do. Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think about how to engage an opponent. have you ever considered that BSs arent designed for 1v1? Personally im training for rohk as the extra range and the fact that you can fit neutron blasters and tank just makes it alot better as a gang blastership

Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:27:00 - [51] Edited by: Lenaria on 25/11/2006 17:27:22
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30 The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do. Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think about how to engage an opponent. OMG! I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!!111oneoneone.... Do you even play the same EvE I do? Or are you on some special server for the special players? Because I said so...
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:27:00 - [53] Edited by: Lenaria on 25/11/2006 17:28:06 Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30 The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do. Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think about how to engage an opponent. Bad tracking is a big, BIG exageration. The Rail/blaster traking is better than that of Artillery/AC - yet somehow Tempest manage to hit something - with LESS range for its guns. Moreover, with 6 mids on the Rokh its a very big question who will fit more tracking disrupters and tracking computers - hint, it will be NOT a Mega with with 4 mids...
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:32:00 - [54] having played with teh hype on sisi today (couldnt do it before since my accound was "expired") I must say that it really pwns when fitted and used right. But I'll shut up now, less people use it, less people expect it, and blasters become cheaper .
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: murder one Originally by: Breed Love hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus.. And the model needs to be completely redone... technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game. And it's kinda growing on me. I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable. I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns. I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary? As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps... go figure. my mistake, 25% increase in rof = 33% increase in dps appearently, math was never my strong point btw, the domi needs to be totally overhauled, I even recon the colour needs changing to something silver/green/blue or black to keep congurence with gallente t1 ships. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:36:00 - [56] I like the Domi model..........Space Whale ftw! Would love to see what they do to it in the new graphics engine, though. Shinier, better defined, better textured, and slightly reshaped modeled domi might look pretty awesome. -----------------------------------------------
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: murder one Originally by: Breed Love hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus.. And the model needs to be completely redone... technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game. And it's kinda growing on me. I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable. I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns. I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary? As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps... go figure. my mistake, 25% increase in rof = 33% increase in dps appearently, math was never my strong point btw, the domi needs to be totally overhauled, I even recon the colour needs changing to something silver/green/blue or black to keep congurence with gallente t1 ships. 25% ROF? Again, where are you getting your numbers? 1 ROF rig = 10% increase to ROF. And it's stacking nerfed with any existing damage mods/rigs of same attribute. I.e. if you have 3x damage mods, 1x ROF rig will do nothing for your ROF. Because I said so...
Sadayiel Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Breed Love having played with teh hype on sisi today (couldnt do it before since my accound was "expired") I must say that it really pwns when fitted and used right. But I'll shut up now, less people use it, less people expect it, and blasters become cheaper . i'm with you mate, maybe it's not the best ship in Evegalaxy, but wtf it works superb on my opinion Banana's 4tw - Xorus
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:51:00 - [59] all blasters m8 =)
Jago X	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Sadayiel Originally by: Breed Love having played with teh hype on sisi today (couldnt do it before since my accound was "expired") I must say that it really pwns when fitted and used right. But I'll shut up now, less people use it, less people expect it, and blasters become cheaper . i'm with you mate, maybe it's not the best ship in Evegalaxy, but wtf it works superb on my opinion does your setups involove lots of nos or are they actually blaster setups? i would love to know ive treid everything and they only thing that worked ok was a nos setup



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