Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Awesome a new murder one thread!

Hmmmm dunno about that mate.. Was fecking around with a blaster Rohk with a uber resist passive tank and I was killing BS left and right at the FFA2 zone on sisi.. Only thing I couldn't kill was the Scorps as they had me jammed continuesly and another passive tanked Rohk.. Man those things are mean and I even have crap gunnery skill on my main..

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Well if your gonna make a blanket statement at least make sure they all suck..

But yeah I'm seeing blasterboats in general getting a minor buff after kal.. err revelations settles in a bit..

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Originally by: Altai Saker

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Fit a dmg rig, you will see that you are wrong.

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Originally by: Sadayiel

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i use
high: 5x ions 3x electrons(tech2 void)

meds:webber/scram/Mwdap injector and Track comp2
(can use anything on 5th slot but this track comp gives you same track as mega with bs Lvl 4)

lows: 2x mag stabs2 2x EANM II 2x LArge repper 2
(well 1 tech2, 1 best named repper since i lack 0.34 pgrid to fit)

for rigs i mostly used 2x nanos pumps.

This setup allow you to mostly tank everything, only best gank ships may force you to perma run the 2x lar rep.

so far only 2 ships survived this setup a Rokh and a pure neutron B-thron (mostly due lack od drone usage from my part)

if wish can drop 1 ion and get 4x electrons for espare grid and fit some dmg rig (also remember that on sisi we play with lvl 3 skill for rigs, raise it and penalty from rig will decrease)

On a gang status the 5th slot it¦s a wonder you can fit Ecm, tracking or even painter based on your overall gang setup so you can maximize your efficiency.

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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ECCM mod!

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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ECCM mod!

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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murder one, considering that CCP is making it rather clear that they want combat to last longer, which will make system tareting, and heat, doable in the future, it'd make no sense for there to be some sort of 'buff' to ships to keep them being able to wtfpwn someone in mere seconds like you can do now.

Yes blasterboats are getting nerfed, however in a small gang blasterships are still going to make short work of people. It makes sense that when they do a tanking buff, any situation where a person tries to simply tank you, that they'll win more often due to increased tanking. Not to sound like an old record, but fly with friends. I can't imagine too many changes are made with solo play in mind for an MMO.

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Originally by: murder one

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It needs to work 1v1, at close range. In it's operating range it needs to dominate. Not just simply kind of maybe sorta work ok, it needs to be outstanding.

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Yeah I see your point but here's my spin.. if you can train Caldari bs to 4 and fit 8 mega blasters on the Rohk and still fit an uber resist passive tank ( a bit less uber if you mount eccm :P ) then why complain? The Rohk.. Blaster/Rail boat for the masses.. The Mega has been the blasterboat of choice for too long!

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Yeah I see your point but here's my spin.. if you can train Caldari bs to 4 and fit 8 mega blasters on the Rohk and still fit an uber resist passive tank ( a bit less uber if you mount eccm :P ) then why complain? The Rohk.. Blaster/Rail boat for the masses.. The Mega has been the blasterboat of choice for too long!

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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The blaster Rohk is a mwd boat only.. Those 2.5 mil in nav will pay huge rewards..

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Originally by: Thoris Levithar

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I don't know much about PvP. But I have enough experience in PvE to know how to build ships which can fight for long times without running out of cap. Perhaps its exactly that what the devs want for revelations? To get players away from the "extreme gank" setups and back to more reasonable ships that can both tank and shoot for longer times?

I have tried the Hyperion on test, with pretty much a basic PvE setup. Didn't win either, but that was usually because the other players used lots of NOSes. And/Or ECM jammer(s). So, going by this perhaps the best thing would be to fit one or two NOS yourself, plus some ECCM. But mainly, if cap is a problem for you, then fit cap modules instead of damage mods!

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Originally by: Gabriel Karade

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I have to disagree, I've been playing around with both ships on Sisi, both are awesome and different blaster boats, I do have maximum skills relating to blasterboats though, so I guess IÆm a little biasedà

With the former I can tank over 900 dps from Hybrids while dealing out over 850 from turrets and drones, it's an immensely tough nut to *****, and has space for EW.

With the latter, I deal even more DPS than my TQ setup, sufficient to destroy an Abaddon with barely a nick out of my armour (and more importantly not a single cap booster charge used), followed by warping over to a Raven, engaging, crashing to desktop, logging back in to find the Raven in a pod and my armour still above 70% (again, no cap charges used) - Cap really isn't that much of an issue if you manage it correctly.

If you feel you canÆt compete in Revelations with either ship they donÆt bother trying. You are however mistaken, and I will be using both (and my Blaster Dominix) with no problemsà

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Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying Wink

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Originally by: Breed Love

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hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus..

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 12:40:23

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Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying Wink

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So lay some encouragement all up in here...

Can you say that the people you beat were experienced, well set up, and as well skilled (sp-wise) as you?

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Originally by: Gabriel Karade

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 12:40:23

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Whatever Murder one, you do sound like a broken record, but like I say, if you don't feel you can compete, don't bother trying Wink

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So lay some encouragement all up in here...

Can you say that the people you beat were experienced, well set up, and as well skilled (sp-wise) as you?

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All I can say is bar one unfortunate Hyperion Pilot, all were full tech II setups, but seen as there is a new mirror now, those killmails are gone so I can't prove anything, nor do I really care to.

The sky is not falling, blasterboats are still fine, higher damage output that present is attainable with the right setup's and the correct rigs. Even the HP boost got knocked back to 25% - the main plank of Murder One's persistant whines...

To be honest I'd quite enjoy it if half of the people moved on to other ships, it was always more fun flying a blasterthrons when fewer people used them.

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Originally by: murder one

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*SNIPPED MEGA/HYP SETUPS*

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All I need is enough DPS to break a T2 Rokh tank before my cap runs dry. Assume I'm being nossed by 4 Heavy Diminishing nos. Should be simple really, since you're sooo successful with your Hype...

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Breed Love

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hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus..

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And the model needs to be completely redone...

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Originally by: Pattern Clarc

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Breed Love

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hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus..

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And the model needs to be completely redone...

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technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game.

And it's kinda growing on me.

I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable.


I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns.

I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary?

As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps...
go figure.

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Originally by: Asariasha

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Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30
The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a
turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor
and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO

Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do.
Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think
about how to engage an opponent.

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Originally by: Asariasha

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Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30
The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a
turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor
and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO

Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do.
Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think
about how to engage an opponent.

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Originally by: Asariasha

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Edited by: Asariasha on 25/11/2006 17:19:30
The Rokh has got bad tracking. Ever considered to fit a
turret diruptor? I guess not. Go for speed, fit a disruptor
and Rokhs wont hit you anymore oO

Ah and btw. This is what Kali/Revelations expected to do.
Giving a longer duration to fights making you to think
about how to engage an opponent.

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Originally by: Pattern Clarc

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Breed Love

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hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus..

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And the model needs to be completely redone...

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technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game.

And it's kinda growing on me.

I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable.


I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns.

I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary?

As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps...
go figure.

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Originally by: Pattern Clarc

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Originally by: Pattern Clarc

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Breed Love

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hyp looks too cool to be a lame damp boat. Domi should get that bonus..

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And the model needs to be completely redone...

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technically, the hyperion is by far the best made gallente ship model in the game.

And it's kinda growing on me.

I don't believe a total overhall is needed, just tweaks, to make the mega and hype more viable.


I'd probably reduce the mega's pg for more cpu and increase the PG an the hype to allow for better guns.

I'd also look at the drone bay and ask was the reducing really necessary?

As far as dps is conserned, +1 hybrid rof rig = 33% more dps...
go figure.

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my mistake, 25% increase in rof = 33% increase in dps appearently, math was never my strong point

btw, the domi needs to be totally overhauled, I even recon the colour needs changing to something silver/green/blue or black to keep congurence with gallente t1 ships.

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Originally by: Breed Love

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having played with teh hype on sisi today (couldnt do it before since my accound was "expired") I must say that it really pwns when fitted and used right. But I'll shut up now, less people use it, less people expect it, and blasters become cheaper .

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Originally by: Sadayiel

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Originally by: Breed Love

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having played with teh hype on sisi today (couldnt do it before since my accound was "expired") I must say that it really pwns when fitted and used right. But I'll shut up now, less people use it, less people expect it, and blasters become cheaper .

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i'm with you mate, maybe it's not the best ship in Evegalaxy, but wtf it works superb on my opinion

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Originally by: Sadayiel

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Originally by: Breed Love

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having played with teh hype on sisi today (couldnt do it before since my accound was "expired") I must say that it really pwns when fitted and used right. But I'll shut up now, less people use it, less people expect it, and blasters become cheaper .

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i'm with you mate, maybe it's not the best ship in Evegalaxy, but wtf it works superb on my opinion

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Originally by: Breed Love

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why dont you suggest who I should fight against, to try it vs a well set up/well flown ship?

who knows, maybe you are right.

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Originally by: murder one

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I don't have three or four people at my beck and call to kill someone whenever I want. 90% or more of my kills are solo kills. I hunt, I find someone, I kill them. Whenever I drag around four or five people with me, everyone always logs/safespots/jumps out of the system the instant we're in local and comes back with a twelve person gang to fight.

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Originally by: Kaden Seer

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Originally by: murder one

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It needs to work 1v1, at close range. In it's operating range it needs to dominate. Not just simply kind of maybe sorta work ok, it needs to be outstanding.

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I totally agree with that, dude.

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READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.

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Originally by: Iudex

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Stupid thread + op was not looking at the rigs carefully.

If he did he would find the rigs Capacitor Control Circuit I and Semiconductor Memory Cell. They both have currently 100 calibration points, a bs has currently 400 so its easy to fit 3 of them - and the interesting thing about them is that they increase their effect the more of them you fit.

Basic ammount is 15%, i fitted 3 of the capacitor capacity increase, which resulted in 52,11 % more capacitor capacity and so 52,11% capacity gain (as rechargerate stays same). Even better are those with the capacity rechargerate, 3 of them gave a a capacity gain increas of 62,9 %. And they are even more effective if you use cap rechargers and power diagnostics - those 3 cap recharger rigs and an additional cap recharger II made my cap income more than double.

As other rigs are pretty useless (they stack with other modules and give only a tiny effect if you have many of the modules) this rigs will be the most effective, as they boost the effect of similar modules instead of having stacking penalty from them like other rigs, giving a big boost to all capacitor energy using modules.

Go to testserver and test it before you start a whining thread.

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Originally by: murder one

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Edited by: murder one on 25/11/2006 03:47:09
Edited by: murder one on 25/11/2006 03:39:51
Just to give you an idea of what I'm using ship/skill wise: (this is on test with the new mirror)

Relevant skills:

engie/elec/mech/hull 5, weapon upgrades 5, adv. weapon upgrades 4, gal BS 4, drone interfacing 4, heavy drones 4, all support gun skills at 5 (rapid fire 5, sharpshooter 5 etc.) large blaster spec 4, all nav skills at 4 or 5 etc.

Basically besides drone interfacing at 5, T2 heavy drones and BS 5, I have pretty much maxed skills for a blaster pilot.

Setups: (every mod is T2 or best named, assume best of everything)

Megathron-


• 7x Ions, standard mids (mwd/web/scram/heavy injector), 2x large accom reps, EANM, DC, 3x Magstab IIs.



• Results: cap death before able to kill opponent. Ships fought: Abaddon, Raven, Maelstrom, Typhoon, Rokh, Dominix.



• 7x Neutrons, standard mids w/ medium injector, large accom rep, 1600 plate, DC, EANM, 3x Magstab IIs.



• Results: dead before cap death. Ships fought: Abaddon, Rokh, Raven, Maelstrom, Tempest.



• 7x Electrons, heavy diminishing nos, standard mids, 2x T2 large reps, kin/therm/exp hardeners, DC, EANM.



• Results: Unable to break enemy tank, ran out of cap boosters, then died. Ships fought: Rokh, Raven, Dominix, Maelstrom, Tempest, Typhoon.


Hyperion-


• 8x Ions, standard mids (mwd/web/scram/eccm/heavy injector), T2 large armor rep, DC, EANM, 3x magstabs.



• Varient: replaced DC with 1600 plate. Same results.



• Results: died with about 40% cap. Ships fought: Abaddon, Rokh, Maelstrom, Raven, Dominix, Tempest.



• 8x Electrons, standard mids, 2x T2 large reps, kin/therm/exp hardeners, DC.



• Results: unable to break enemy tank, ran out of cap charges, then died. Ships fought: Maelstrom, Rokh, Raven, Typhoon, Abaddon.



• 8x Neutrons, standard mids w/ medium injector (no grid to fit heavy), 1600 plate, EANM, DC, 3x magstabs.



• Results: varied- either died with about half cap, or went cap dead, then died. Ships fought: Dominix, Raven, Abaddon, Maelstrom.

If someone has some better setups for the Hyperion (that still uses blasters) I'd like to see them. The main problem is that you can't active tank long enough to kill someone, and you don't do enough DPS to kill a single BS before they're through your passive tank. The longer you stay in a fight the worse it gets.

I've tried to design setups to kill targets before you run out of cap, but the tanks in Revelations are just too good and the ammo has been nerfed too much to be able to break a T2 tank before you're either dead or out of cap.

One additional note: blasterships are worthless for killing mission runners in deadspace. MWDs don't work there.

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Originally by: Tiger Kior

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and thats really gona stay alive with enough cap to kill anything let alone have enough power to keep the repers going? - ya right who you kidding sounds like you didnt read the part about the cap booster nerfs.

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Originally by: murder one

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Edited by: murder one on 25/11/2006 03:50:33
There is no point in flying a Megathron or Hyperion blaster ship in the upcoming patch. With the HP increase and the T2 ammo damage reduction both the Mega and the Hype can no longer do enough DPS quickly enough to kill another BS before it runs out of cap or is killed itself. This is assuming the engagement range is optimised for the blaster ship and starts somewhere around 15-20km.

The Megathron needs a dual rep tank to live even a minute or so against another T2 fitted BS. Due to CPU limitations, you're stuck with T2 Ions, and even with seven Ion IIs and Void you can't do enough DPS before your cap is dry and the target still remains. If you use a plated Neutron II setup with 7 guns, you still end up dead because you can't put out enough damage before your plate is gone.

The Hype's situation is no better. Since it lacks grid you can't fit 8 guns effectively with the same tank as the Mega, so there's no gain there, and you actually end up doing less DPS than a Mega since the Mega with the same tank and same number of guns has one more drone.

The Hyperion's problems are compounded even more by it's active tanking bonus. Active tanking is the LAST thing you want to do in Revelations (I liked Kali better, it's shorter to type). In order to get the most out of the active tanking bonus you need to fit two large reps, and that just isn't practical given the cap consumption and the cap requirements of the MWD and guns. A single heavy injector can't keep up with dual reps and eight guns, even if they're electrons. So this means that you need to kill the target before you run out of cap, but the guns simply don't do enough DPS to accomplish that.

I have tried all sorts of setups, with the focus being on maximum DPS: the largest guns with 3x magstab IIs in order to develope the highest DPS I could from the highest DPS ship in the game. No setup was ever enough to break a target's tank before I was dead. On the flipside, there is no tank setup that works that can kill a target before I run out of cap. I don't run out of cap charges, I run out of cap, unable to run my reps/guns with my hold still full of cap charges, the injector unable to keep up.

Well what about rigs? Rigs are generally pretty useless to improve the situation. Because the Mega is more CPU limited (extremely) adding a few grid rigs won't help much because you still can't add T2 reps or larger T2 guns due to the CPU limitations.

The Hype is a little better because adding two grid rigs allows you to fit some larger guns and using some of the extra CPU, but due to the rig nerfs you can no longer fit three grid rigs, and you won't be able to fit two T2 grid rigs due to calibration points, so a 10% grid improvement is all you're going to see from rigs.

All the other rigs are pretty much useless: it's not grid-efficient to fit damage rigs, armor rep or armor amount bonus rigs don't give you *enough* of a bonus to be effective, and their drawbacks to speed are really bad. Speed rigs are pointless when you're already reasonably fast enough to get into range.

Blasters are DPS ships, take that away and you take away their reason for being. Endurance setups don't work. Give us our DPS back. Heck, give us more DPS so we can compete with the larger tanks.

P.S.- Plated Abaddons work *awesome* with the new changes. Rejoice Amarr

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Originally by: ramptrick

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Originally by: murder one

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brilliant words of wisdom

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WTF are you talking about!! i taken on plenty of 1vs1 Bs on SiSi and won every time.. i can out gank most of them and im fitted with 8 modal neutrons, 2 LAR II's, and 1 heavy cap injector plus a Medium one.. plus a little tank and webb, so dont go on about it being crap coz they are uBBer pwnmobiles!! convo me ingame and ill give you a great set up.. plus with using rigs makes it so easy to fit..

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Iudex

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Stupid thread + op was not looking at the rigs carefully.

If he did he would find the rigs Capacitor Control Circuit I and Semiconductor Memory Cell. They both have currently 100 calibration points, a bs has currently 400 so its easy to fit 3 of them - and the interesting thing about them is that they increase their effect the more of them you fit.

Basic ammount is 15%, i fitted 3 of the capacitor capacity increase, which resulted in 52,11 % more capacitor capacity and so 52,11% capacity gain (as rechargerate stays same). Even better are those with the capacity rechargerate, 3 of them gave a a capacity gain increas of 62,9 %. And they are even more effective if you use cap rechargers and power diagnostics - those 3 cap recharger rigs and an additional cap recharger II made my cap income more than double.

As other rigs are pretty useless (they stack with other modules and give only a tiny effect if you have many of the modules) this rigs will be the most effective, as they boost the effect of similar modules instead of having stacking penalty from them like other rigs, giving a big boost to all capacitor energy using modules.

Go to testserver and test it before you start a whining thread.

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Stupid post + the above poster not looking at the thread carefully. Plainly you're an idiot. Otherwise you'd know that the rig calibration on the ships was only recently increased to 400, and rigs buffed in general.

Know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. And the benefits of the cap rigs, while pretty good, are negligible when compared to using grid rigs to cram larger guns and reps on the ship.

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Originally by: Breed Love

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Hyperion sux, nobody use it pls, and dont use blasters at all. I want em cheap .

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: infraX

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ps. I doub't even capless weapons could out DPS that setup so they wouldn't stand a chance of breaking his tank and killing him either. NOS needs a big nerf because it's currently more powerful than fitting guns in a perfect 1v1. Anyone who can't see that is a tard. Rest in peace solo pvp.

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus

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Disclaimer: Drunken post..


Blah blah blah.. Nerf this boost that.. I specialized in yada yadda ydda for years.. UNFIR!!!!!!!!!! CCP suck!!!!! EVryone sucks!!!! I cnat pwn with the ship of my choic!!! Kali sucks!!! the divs suck!!! my mega after kali suks!!!! Caldari rule agin!!!! Nerf all racew but mine!!! Booost amarr!!! Mak my hyp the pwn of all blasterbots!!!!! PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whew.. 6months of thread in one post.. I'm passing ourt now.. gnite

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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei

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If we want longer fights (why do we want longer fights :/) blasters dont need a damage increase but a major cut in cap use.

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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei

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Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 27/11/2006 06:21:03
I've been doing alot of testing the past few days on sisi, i see two main problems atm:

First people are now able to create "super" tank setups usually combined with nos, the addition and subsequent boosts to tanking rigs and reduction in t2 ammo damage have created ships which can tank even the massive dps of blasterthrons/hyperions for long periods. So it becomes a waiting game the tanked ship just keeps nos'ing and tanking - he may not be able to tank all the dps but he can tank most of it and with the increased hp of ships he lasts longer than any blaster setup can hope to sustain its cap.

Second, blasters are just using too much cap, yes all ships got a cap increase but it is not enough. I have given up completely on trying to run a dual rep setup on my blasterthron. A plate and a single large rep is the only way to ensure i have enough cap to keep my guns running against a target with a good tank. The cap increase is not proportional with the boosts to tanking - i can no longer run my guns and 2 armour reps for a period long enough to break most tanks before having serious cap issues.

Oh and all my setups now include two 15% cap recharge rigs !


If we want longer fights (why do we want longer fights :/) blasters dont need a damage increase but a major cut in cap use.


Tanking rigs (and some of the other rigs) need to be changed again they are too good atm.
Cap use of blasters (And lasers ?) needs to be reduced.

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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murder one, considering that CCP is making it rather clear that they want combat to last longer, which will make system tareting, and heat, doable in the future, it'd make no sense for there to be some sort of 'buff' to ships to keep them being able to wtfpwn someone in mere seconds like you can do now.

Yes blasterboats are getting nerfed, however in a small gang blasterships are still going to make short work of people. It makes sense that when they do a tanking buff, any situation where a person tries to simply tank you, that they'll win more often due to increased tanking. Not to sound like an old record, but fly with friends. I can't imagine too many changes are made with solo play in mind for an MMO.

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I don't have three or four people at my beck and call to kill someone whenever I want. 90% or more of my kills are solo kills. I hunt, I find someone, I kill them. Whenever I drag around four or five people with me, everyone always logs/safespots/jumps out of the system the instant we're in local and comes back with a twelve person gang to fight.

And simply adding more people to the mix isn't the answer to make the Hype/Mega competitive. It needs to work 1v1, at close range. In it's operating range it needs to dominate. Not just simply kind of maybe sorta work ok, it needs to be outstanding. Right now it just does the opposite- fails miserably.

The only reason a blasterthron/hype works is because it can do more DPS than a target can tank, before the target can pop it/make it run out of cap. As soon as you reach that critical point where you can tank 100% of it's DPS, the Hype has lost, because now it's a war of attrition, and the Hype (and Mega) will always lose.

Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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Originally by: xeom

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Wah wah i can't insta-pop everything anymore ='((((


BTW the hyp with a II LAR equals to that of a faction tank.And guess what those were unbreakable solo before the patch too =O.Agianst every other battleship you should be fine its now just going to take a little while.And its not always going to be mega wins 110% of the time.Get over it.

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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Originally by: infraX

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ps. I doub't even capless weapons could out DPS that setup so they wouldn't stand a chance of breaking his tank and killing him either. NOS needs a big nerf because it's currently more powerful than fitting guns in a perfect 1v1. Anyone who can't see that is a tard. Rest in peace solo pvp.

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Just how often does 'perfect pvp' happen in EVE?

I'm all for the occasional honorable match between two people, but really now, on TQ, after 5 minutes, either you or the other guy would've called in the troops, and the person that didn't, would be dead.

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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei

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Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 27/11/2006 06:21:03
I've been doing alot of testing the past few days on sisi, i see two main problems atm:

First people are now able to create "super" tank setups usually combined with nos, the addition and subsequent boosts to tanking rigs and reduction in t2 ammo damage have created ships which can tank even the massive dps of blasterthrons/hyperions for long periods. So it becomes a waiting game the tanked ship just keeps nos'ing and tanking - he may not be able to tank all the dps but he can tank most of it and with the increased hp of ships he lasts longer than any blaster setup can hope to sustain its cap.

Second, blasters are just using too much cap, yes all ships got a cap increase but it is not enough. I have given up completely on trying to run a dual rep setup on my blasterthron. A plate and a single large rep is the only way to ensure i have enough cap to keep my guns running against a target with a good tank. The cap increase is not proportional with the boosts to tanking - i can no longer run my guns and 2 armour reps for a period long enough to break most tanks before having serious cap issues.

Oh and all my setups now include two 15% cap recharge rigs !


If we want longer fights (why do we want longer fights :/) blasters dont need a damage increase but a major cut in cap use.


Tanking rigs (and some of the other rigs) need to be changed again they are too good atm.
Cap use of blasters (And lasers ?) needs to be reduced.

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Originally by: infraX

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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei

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Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 27/11/2006 06:21:03
I've been doing alot of testing the past few days on sisi, i see two main problems atm:

First people are now able to create "super" tank setups usually combined with nos, the addition and subsequent boosts to tanking rigs and reduction in t2 ammo damage have created ships which can tank even the massive dps of blasterthrons/hyperions for long periods. So it becomes a waiting game the tanked ship just keeps nos'ing and tanking - he may not be able to tank all the dps but he can tank most of it and with the increased hp of ships he lasts longer than any blaster setup can hope to sustain its cap.

Second, blasters are just using too much cap, yes all ships got a cap increase but it is not enough. I have given up completely on trying to run a dual rep setup on my blasterthron. A plate and a single large rep is the only way to ensure i have enough cap to keep my guns running against a target with a good tank. The cap increase is not proportional with the boosts to tanking - i can no longer run my guns and 2 armour reps for a period long enough to break most tanks before having serious cap issues.

Oh and all my setups now include two 15% cap recharge rigs !


If we want longer fights (why do we want longer fights :/) blasters dont need a damage increase but a major cut in cap use.


Tanking rigs (and some of the other rigs) need to be changed again they are too good atm.
Cap use of blasters (And lasers ?) needs to be reduced.

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\0/ <3 Dave Tehsulei. Listen to this guy - he has been flying blasterthrons for a long time - way before they had the cpu and cap use changed on the guns. This guy was around before all of the Farjung fanboi's of today and is the reason I started flying blasterthrons. Not only that, he is exactly right and puts the problems across very well.

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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei

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Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 27/11/2006 06:21:03
I've been doing alot of testing the past few days on sisi, i see two main problems atm:

First people are now able to create "super" tank setups usually combined with nos, the addition and subsequent boosts to tanking rigs and reduction in t2 ammo damage have created ships which can tank even the massive dps of blasterthrons/hyperions for long periods. So it becomes a waiting game the tanked ship just keeps nos'ing and tanking - he may not be able to tank all the dps but he can tank most of it and with the increased hp of ships he lasts longer than any blaster setup can hope to sustain its cap.

Second, blasters are just using too much cap, yes all ships got a cap increase but it is not enough. I have given up completely on trying to run a dual rep setup on my blasterthron. A plate and a single large rep is the only way to ensure i have enough cap to keep my guns running against a target with a good tank. The cap increase is not proportional with the boosts to tanking - i can no longer run my guns and 2 armour reps for a period long enough to break most tanks before having serious cap issues.

Oh and all my setups now include two 15% cap recharge rigs !


If we want longer fights (why do we want longer fights :/) blasters dont need a damage increase but a major cut in cap use.


Tanking rigs (and some of the other rigs) need to be changed again they are too good atm.
Cap use of blasters (And lasers ?) needs to be reduced.

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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei

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Edited by: Dave Tehsulei on 27/11/2006 06:21:03
I've been doing alot of testing the past few days on sisi, i see two main problems atm:

First people are now able to create "super" tank setups usually combined with nos, the addition and subsequent boosts to tanking rigs and reduction in t2 ammo damage have created ships which can tank even the massive dps of blasterthrons/hyperions for long periods. So it becomes a waiting game the tanked ship just keeps nos'ing and tanking - he may not be able to tank all the dps but he can tank most of it and with the increased hp of ships he lasts longer than any blaster setup can hope to sustain its cap.

Second, blasters are just using too much cap, yes all ships got a cap increase but it is not enough. I have given up completely on trying to run a dual rep setup on my blasterthron. A plate and a single large rep is the only way to ensure i have enough cap to keep my guns running against a target with a good tank. The cap increase is not proportional with the boosts to tanking - i can no longer run my guns and 2 armour reps for a period long enough to break most tanks before having serious cap issues.

Oh and all my setups now include two 15% cap recharge rigs !


If we want longer fights (why do we want longer fights :/) blasters dont need a damage increase but a major cut in cap use.


Tanking rigs (and some of the other rigs) need to be changed again they are too good atm.
Cap use of blasters (And lasers ?) needs to be reduced.

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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Quote:

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Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari
Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship
Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ

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Originally by: Captain Raynor

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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So it's okay to tell Caldari to go f themselves, get friends to scramble if they want to have a good shield tank, or use range, how theyre not supposed to be solo pwnmobiles, ect.. but when it comes to megathron/hyperion in gank setups, its ok.

gotcha.

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Originally by: Captain Raynor

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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So it's okay to tell Caldari to go f themselves, get friends to scramble if they want to have a good shield tank, or use range, how theyre not supposed to be solo pwnmobiles, ect.. but when it comes to megathron/hyperion in gank setups, its ok.

gotcha.

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Originally by: Captain Raynor

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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So it's okay to tell Caldari to go f themselves, get friends to scramble if they want to have a good shield tank, or use range, how theyre not supposed to be solo pwnmobiles, ect.. but when it comes to megathron/hyperion in gank setups, its ok.

gotcha.

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Originally by: Captain Raynor

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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So it's okay to tell Caldari to go f themselves, get friends to scramble if they want to have a good shield tank, or use range, how theyre not supposed to be solo pwnmobiles, ect.. but when it comes to megathron/hyperion in gank setups, its ok.

gotcha.

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Originally by: Captain Raynor

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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So it's okay to tell Caldari to go f themselves, get friends to scramble if they want to have a good shield tank, or use range, how theyre not supposed to be solo pwnmobiles, ect.. but when it comes to megathron/hyperion in gank setups, its ok.

gotcha.

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Originally by: Captain Raynor

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Originally by: murder one

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Frankly I'm sick of people telling me to 'get a few more people'. Every other ship works fine solo. Why can't the Mega/Hype?

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So it's okay to tell Caldari to go f themselves, get friends to scramble if they want to have a good shield tank, or use range, how theyre not supposed to be solo pwnmobiles, ect.. but when it comes to megathron/hyperion in gank setups, its ok.

gotcha.

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Originally by: gu o

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HOLY SH*T

this guy is not complaining cause he cannot run a dual rep, full rack blaster boat is he? cuase if thats the case my abba needs to run a dual rep 8 tach setup too

Snip.. {waxing stu**d ad nauseam...}

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Originally by: gu o

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HOLY SH*T

this guy is not complaining cause he cannot run a dual rep, full rack blaster boat is he? cuase if thats the case my abba needs to run a dual rep 8 tach setup too

Snip.. {waxing stu**d ad nauseam...}

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Originally by: gu o

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HOLY SH*T

this guy is not complaining cause he cannot run a dual rep, full rack blaster boat is he? cuase if thats the case my abba needs to run a dual rep 8 tach setup too

Snip.. {waxing stu**d ad nauseam...}

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Originally by: gu o

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HOLY SH*T

this guy is not complaining cause he cannot run a dual rep, full rack blaster boat is he? cuase if thats the case my abba needs to run a dual rep 8 tach setup too

Snip.. {waxing stu**d ad nauseam...}

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Originally by: gu o

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HOLY SH*T

this guy is not complaining cause he cannot run a dual rep, full rack blaster boat is he? cuase if thats the case my abba needs to run a dual rep 8 tach setup too

Snip.. {waxing stu**d ad nauseam...}

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07

Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07

Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07

Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to?

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They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses.

I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality.

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses.

I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality.

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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I thought I was going somewhere with that. *shrug* Ohwell... losing my train of thought, too busy looking at the new stuff that is to be seen in Rev.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv

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I thought I was going somewhere with that. *shrug* Ohwell... losing my train of thought, too busy looking at the new stuff that is to be seen in Rev.

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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Saying the Hyperion sucks cos it can't fit the same tank as a Mega is just STUPID. You don't need to fit the same modules because of the new things called RIGS, which allows you to fit 95% of the tank for less fitting, less module slots and less cap. Thats all i'm going to say about that...

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Originally by: Rastam3n

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Originally by: Mila Prestoc

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Saying the Hyperion sucks cos it can't fit the same tank as a Mega is just STUPID. You don't need to fit the same modules because of the new things called RIGS, which allows you to fit 95% of the tank for less fitting, less module slots and less cap. Thats all i'm going to say about that...

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Am I missing something? Are we now FORCED to use the new thing called RIGS just to make our ships close to useful?

Rigs might be available on SISI in unlimited quantities and for free, but I'm sure this will change dramatically on TQ...

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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Originally by: SolidDread

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Have you tried fitting some NOSs instead of maximum damage?

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Originally by: Rastam3n

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Am I missing something? Are we now FORCED to use the new thing called RIGS just to make our ships close to useful?

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Originally by: "Lord Violent"

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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.

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