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Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:27:00 - [31] So get a Rohk FFS.. If you start now you can be in one in under 2 weeks if you have absolutly no caldari ship skills.. I can understand specializing at first to get to the ship you want but surely most vet players are at a point in thier career that they can train up another races ships? If your Gallente all you need is Cal BS 4 and a minimum of shield skills as you already no doubt have leet hybrid skills.. Trust me.. I was pwning people far more skilled than me on sisi with my little T1 blaster fitted Rohk.. imagine if you already have T2 blaster skills like most gal characters? There will be no need for a leet passive tank as you will turn ** near every bs you get into range of into dust bunnys.. And with the awesome optimal bonus you will be in range with a quickness.. Adapt FFS people.. KALI:Revelations..** Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:30:00 - [32] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:31:48 You obviously don't get it. People who spent a year training for something shouldn't be forced to waste that year simply because something else comes along that takes 1/4 the time to train for. Nor should people who spent a year training for be "caught up to" by nublet pieces of ** who spent 1/4 that time playing the game. You asking people to willingly throw away their training time and be happy. ** that. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:32:00 - [33] And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Chris TheNinjaPirate Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Chris TheNinjaPirate on 25/11/2006 08:37:06 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. qft
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:41:38 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. **it dude, how many times do I have to explain this? Tier 3 ship + NOOB skills + CAN TANK > Tier 3 ship + leet skills + insta***pop THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I don't CARE if I CAN train for the Rokh or NOT! The Tier 3 ship isn't SUPPOSED to be better than Tier 2 or 1 ships... nor is one Tier 3 ship SUPPOSED to be better than any other Tier 3 ship! This isn't a point where I can just say "oh hey, mages suck, I'll roll a hunter"... because I can not exert EXTRA EFFORT to get anywhere any faster than anyone else. I've wasted a year, and that can't be changed. I guess what it comes down to is that I'm asking for my ***** YEAR BACK. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. I'd just like a setup for the Hype that's actually usefull for something. And no, 8x Miner IIs and 6 WCS in the lows doesn't count. Because I said so...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:45:00 - [37] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if you spent a year training for a certain ship and skill set 2 more weeks is such a huge sacrifice to get the new leet BS on the block? Cripes.. I'd just like a setup for the Hype that's actually usefull for something. And no, 8x Miner IIs and 6 WCS in the lows doesn't count. Close range roid-rage ^_^ It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I don't CARE if I CAN train for the Rokh or NOT! The Tier 3 ship isn't SUPPOSED to be better than Tier 2 or 1 ships... nor is one Tier 3 ship SUPPOSED to be better than any other Tier 3 ship! WTF? Any tier 3 is supposed to be better than a tier 1 or 2.. Otherwise why even make the distinction.. And as far as the other tier 3 BS are concerned they do just dandy.. Maybe not quite as uber as the Rohk but we will never see complete balance in this game.. Matter of fact as i've did my research on eve-search every expansion has had the new leet kid on the block every time.. Remember when Amarr were leet and all the whining on the forums as a result? KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 08:53:53 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus WTF? Any tier 3 is supposed to be better than a tier 1 or 2.. Eh, no, its not. I can see where you're coming from now - because your presuppositions are completely wrong. The devs themselves have said that tier 3 is supposed to be different, not better. In this case, anyway, if 3 > 2 > 1, then: - why can a domi regularly beat a mega - why can a phoon regularly beat a pest - WHY THE ** EVEN BUY tier 1 SHIPS? Because they are DIFFERENT, NOT BETTER EDIT: Raven vs. Scorp? Pfft. I dare you to say that Raven > Scorp. Or that Rokh > Scorp. Or that ANYTHING > Scorp. It is an issue of ROLES. Different, NOT better!** It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:54:00 - [40] Different equates to better in the case of eve ships.. how else would they be different? Raven: Awesome fire support BS with the always hit torps.. Scorp: Awesome EW support BS with the always hit jamming.. Rohk: Awesome Primary DPS dealer for long/short range.. Thats pretty balanced I'd say.. KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..

Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:00:00 - [41] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 09:01:36 Yeah, but you just said that tier 3 > tier 2 > tier 1. So you are saying that Rokh > Raven > Scorp. And Hyp > Mega > Domi. Etc. Which is patently wrong. If for any theory you can provide one instance for which it is not correct, that theory is wrong. End of discussion. EDIT: Oh yeah, but the Hyperion should have been a dedicated sensor dampener boat - and they should have just FIXED the mega. shrug... It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Different equates to better in the case of eve ships.. how else would they be different? Raven: Awesome fire support BS with the always hit torps.. Scorp: Awesome EW support BS with the always hit jamming.. Rohk: Awesome Primary DPS dealer for long/short range.. Thats pretty balanced I'd say.. Dood, your comedy is just outstanding lol! Anyway, I'd like your opinion on what the Hype is good for Because I said so...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:08:00 - [43] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Different equates to better in the case of eve ships.. how else would they be different? Raven: Awesome fire support BS with the always hit torps.. Scorp: Awesome EW support BS with the always hit jamming.. Rohk: Awesome Primary DPS dealer for long/short range.. Thats pretty balanced I'd say.. Dood, your comedy is just outstanding lol! Anyway, I'd like your opinion on what the Hype is good for I'm starting to think that he's just a (poor) troll... the liberal use of "always hit", "Awsome", and "that's pretty balanced" really gives it away. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:11:00 - [44] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 25/11/2006 09:14:10 LOl and now we get to the meat of the thread! Flaming! But seriously do torps not always hit? Do jammers on scorps not always work? They do on sisi so im assuming they will do the same on tranq on the 28th.. edit.. Face it guys.. things have changed.. Regardless of whether its for the good or bad its simply a matter of opinion and we all know what opinions are like? KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:12:00 - [45] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/11/2006 09:15:20 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus LOl and now we get to the meat of the thread! Flaming! But seriously do torps not always hit? Do jammers on scorps not always work? They do on sisi so im assuming they will do the same on tranq on the 28th.. We weren't really flaming... Murder one has been ***ing on the Kali dev forum at least as long as I've been **ing on it... it appears that neither of us really understand your 'logic'. If you could really put forth a convincing argument, we might begin to think that you were not just a troll... (?) I mean... you just called: - a weapon that always hits - the BEST ewar in the game that completely paralyzes an enemy - a new noob-skill-level sniper that completely outdoes highly specialized skill sets ... you just called those things balanced. You expect us to buy that you are being serious? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:17:00 - [46] Guess its this.. your arguing from a specialist point of view and im arguing from a generalists point of view.. Your mad cause your specialist skills dont pwn as hard as you think they shouild and my general skills are happy with all the *AWESOME* choices in ships I have now.. Is it that hard to understand? KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Guess its this.. your arguing from a specialist point of view and im arguing from a generalists point of view.. Your mad cause your specialist skills dont pwn as hard as you think they should and my general skills are happy with all the *AWESOME* choices in ships I have now.. Is it that hard to understand? Yeah, you're arguing that the lowest common denominator should win out. I get it. Whaaaatever. BTW: Conspiracy Theory!!!111 It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Goca Originally by: murder one Both ships are set up with 3x Magstabs, 3x sensor boosters, 2x tracking comps and 2x tracking enhancers. Fall off isn't discussed because it will be the same per ship, given equal skills. Assume Sharpshooter 5 and BS 5 for both. Some Hard numbers: Megathron- Spike- 186km optimal Iron- 165km optimal Tungsten- 144km Iridium- 124km Lead- 103km optimal Rokh- Spike- 279km optimal (redundant after 250km) Iron- 247.5km (lol? right at the 250km lock limit) Tungsten- 216km Iridium- 186km Lead- 154.5km Actually don't keep saying it's great to be Caldari, please, well maybe it's great to be Caldari but trust me you are far better off now then if you had trained for a Caldari Raven.. At least you can train for a few days and get into a Rokh and actually use it.. having trained rails.. the scary thing? pretty much every weapon and ammo type you just listed will outrange all but the most highly skilled Raven torpedo pilot and outdamage cruise as well.. Maybe it's great to be Caldari as long as you trained rails.. otherwise it's better to have been a different race who had a rail battleship in their ranks.. anyone wanna buy a very highly skilled torp Raven pilot? comes with free Ravens... I've trained my 2nd char from zero rails to tech-2 large rails, when I heard about the rokh and also did the Caldari BS IV to V in that time ( and improved jamming skills etc. ) There was time enough, but this is not the point. If CCP thinks we should all switch to caldari for long-range combat, then that's stupid. I mean, where is the drawback ? It looks like a rokh can hit everything within max locking range perfect and on top of that it can deal the same or more damage like the other ships at shorter ranges, because you can use a closer range ammo with higher damage at that range. And why should Caldari newbies be on a higher level than other races newbies and be at a similar level like someone with 8 million in gunnery like me ? Well, it has been all said before, when the 50% opti range bonus was announced ... -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 25/11/2006 09:33:22 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Guess its this.. your arguing from a specialist point of view and im arguing from a generalists point of view.. Your mad cause your specialist skills dont pwn as hard as you think they should and my general skills are happy with all the *AWESOME* choices in ships I have now.. Is it that hard to understand? Yeah, you're arguing that the lowest common denominator should win out. I get it. Whaaaatever. Why not? your leet.. you will pwn nearly everyone you cross no matter if they are in a Rohk or not.. Fleet wise the Rohk is just fine.. BlasterRohk might be a bit unfair for small gang but so what? Nos it.. problem solved.. and yeah noone uses nos right? Cripes seems everytime a ship is the slightest bit more uber than another the cries of "Unfair" ring loud and long here.. but is anyone still ***ing about the exodus/coldwar/rmr changes? Of course not as they all adapted and overcame.. Same will happen this time too.. KALI:Revelations..** Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Gerome Doutrande 4S Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Guess its this.. your arguing from a specialist point of view and im arguing from a generalists point of view.. Your mad cause your specialist skills dont pwn as hard as you think they should and my general skills are happy with all the *AWESOME* choices in ships I have now.. what exactly is the relation between "everybody has to fly a rokh or an ew ship in fleets now" and awesome choices?

Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Why not? your leet.. you will pwn nearly everyone you cross no matter if they are in a Rohk or not.. If that was the case, why would I be as **ed as I am? Why would I be wasting my time arguing with you? Quote: Fleet wise the Rohk is just fine.. Wrong, but we've already established that. Quote: BlasterRohk might be a bit unfair for small gang but so what? Nos it.. problem solved.. and yeah noone uses nos right? NOS is overpowered. NOS is NOT the *** answer. Quote: Cripes seems everytime a ship is the slightest bit more uber than another the cries of "Unfair" ring loud and long here.. True. But the Rokh isn't "slightly" more uber. That's what you are failing to understand. Quote: but is anyone still **ing about the exodus/coldwar/rmr changes? Yes... PAY ATTENTION. If you don't realize that, how can I expect that you will/do realize anything relevant to this thread. Heh. Screw this.* It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:52:00 - [52] For convenience, I quote from another thread, where our "Dread Pirate" says: Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus ... Im just having fun with the Rohk which needs no lovin.. a slight cuff to the head with the nerf bat maybe but meh.. I retract statements made about you not getting it. Clearly you do get it. Now please stop trolling me! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Apolluon	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Your mad cause your specialist skills dont pwn as hard as you think they should and my general skills are happy with all the *AWESOME* choices in ships I have now.. You shouldn't have choices to "pwn". The name of the game, from day one, was that if you wanted to be good out of the box, you had to specialize. How great would the crying be if they made the Hyperion a drone boat with a 50% greater drone control, 25% greater drone damage, and 25% greater drone HP per level? Thought so. Apolluon
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Apolluon You shouldn't have choices to "pwn". The name of the game, from day one, was that if you wanted to be good out of the box, you had to specialize. How great would the crying be if they made the Hyperion a drone boat with a 50% greater drone control, 25% greater drone damage, and 25% greater drone HP per level? Thought so. Wow, I thought I was doing an adequate job of getting my point across, but I never thought to actually use an example. Well done, man. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:17:00 - [55] Funny how people only ***** about the Mega - Hype - Rokh relation. Think of us poor Minnies too. Our long range guns have the shortest range, the worst dps, long range ammo gets nerfed, the hp boost nerfs the alpha... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. sigh
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:26:00 - [56] Change sucks eh? But i'll get nowhere here as its the narrow view being presented.. Both mine and the others in the relevant thread/s.. so yeah you have a valid point but so do I.. and as its all a matter of opinion its not really in the pipeline for us to agree after all.. But thats what makes eve so AWESOME.. So many differing views and we all get to forum pvp together! WIN! KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat..
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Isyel Funny how people only ***** about the Mega - Hype - Rokh relation. Think of us poor Minnies too. Our long range guns have the shortest range, the worst dps, long range ammo gets nerfed, the hp boost nerfs the alpha... Uh... that's because this is a mega-hyp-rokh thread, m8. I feel the pain of Minmatar too. I have more than one char :( It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dadanen1	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:56:00 - [58] Edited by: Dadanen1 on 25/11/2006 10:57:47 well here is an idea, how about instead of ****ing and moaning about the issue, come up with some "resonable" ideas on a possible fix to bring the ships into balance with each other, and a quick question to those going against the blokhs :P on the test server, do you think they were probably fully tanked out and didnt have much room for an ab web and scrambler? anyway, here is one possible fix for the rokh, decrease the hybrid range bonus on the ship to 5% per lvl instead of 10%, as well as introduce a penalty to the sheild extenders and plates and since im not a very good pc nor a good inet connection, could someone come up with the max range with a bonus like that, and see what the differance would be edited for spelling
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:10:00 - [59] Remove its tanking bonus, for one... And if tier 3 are supposed to be better than tier 2, for ***'s sake, give the hyperion more cpu/grid. The hyp's fittings are PATHETIC! It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Asith	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:16:00 - [60] plz stop moaning you got the drake nerfed (trhough it needed it) now you want the ROKH to be nerfed the first awesome caldari ship CANT YOU GALLENTE EVER STOP COMPLAINING



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