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Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.14 05:46:00 - [1] If CCP dangled a significant, unique prize in front of you would you enter a No Clone shootout? Say for example CCP had another combat contest except with no restrictions on ships, weapons, modules or podding. 1 on 1. And prior to your fight, a GM reduced you to a basic clone. With the prize being, forever guaranteed, the only Concord Spec Ops Battleship blueprint ever to be in existance during the duration of Eve Online. Would you enter that match? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Archemedes	Posted - 2003.11.14 05:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Archemedes on 14/11/2003 05:55:01 <looks at 2-3 million SP worth of combat skills left to train and ship loaded with only standard modules...> Nope. (but if I'd been here since launch and HAD all those skills and a great ship it might be tempting)
Golgrath	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:08:00 - [3] Edited by: Golgrath on 14/11/2003 06:24:20 Structure hp295 Capacity14000 m3 Drone Capacity5000 m3 Mass20000000 kg Volume1080000 m3 Max Velocity130 m/s Armor Armor500 hp Armor Em Damage Resistance90% Armor Explosive Damage Resistance9% Armor Kinetic Damage Resistance25% Armor Thermal Damage Resistance35% Shield Shield HP1875 hp Shield Recharge Time2000.00s Shield Em Damage Resistance0% Shield Explosive Damage Resistance60% Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance40% Shield Thermal Damage Resistance19% Capacitor Capacitor Capacity1500 Recharge time562 s Targeting Maximum Targeting Range25000 Max Locked Targets7 Targeting Speed2000 LADAR Strength5 points Magnetometric Strength10 points RADAR Strength5 points Gravimetric Sensor Strength5 points Fitting CPU600 tf Powergrid25000 MW LowSlots4 MedSlots5 HiSlots8 Turret hardpoints5 Launcher hardpoints7 -------------------------------- Definately no. But for another good ship BP i could. And the skillpoint loss isn't that bad iirc from beta (one level loss in couple of skills).
Astaroth	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:11:00 - [4] Absolutely with that bp id be richer than techell and tti(at its peak) combined.
Jonathon Reynolds	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:15:00 - [5] Certainly not; for two reasons.. I recognise that my PvP skills, (meaning both skillpoints and skill in the true sense of the word), are nowhere near as developed as some, and: Those statistics really are terrible. I can see where you're coming from though; offering a unique BP for a ship in a contest; (providing that the statistics on the ship were not so significantly unbalanced as to make other ships useless) would be a very persuasive carrot. Even if the BP was purely cosmetic; a jet-black Apocalypse, or something...
Turtle	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:23:00 - [6] Well based on the stats posted above no, but in general if it truly unique then yes I would sign up.
Lycanth	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:38:00 - [7] Absolutely as soon as i replace my typhoon for a tempest i am confident of my pvp experience dont even bother turning your mods on-it wont help.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Jash Illian on 14/11/2003 06:57:18 Quote: But for another good ship BP i could. And the skillpoint loss isn't that bad iirc from beta (one level loss in couple of skills). Actually with absolutely no clone, you'd go back to 0. So you'd lose every single skillpoint to date if you were podded during the match. I say "if" because there's always the chance that if your ship was destroyed, your opponent might balk at sending you to 0... And those stats are because the ship hasn't been balanced against to the ships currently in the game. Though if it had comparable Tier 2 battleship stats, 14 sensor strength in all sensor types (being a work created by all races) and upgradeable to the next TL as allegedly all original bps will be it'd be something fierce to contend with. Oh and just so people wouldn't get scared off by a Day 1 ex-beta tester who had all their skill training worked out on a schedule: no posting the other entries until the day of the match. Just you and your opponent, out in the middle of a blank solar system with nowhere to warp to and recover. And one hell of a carrot if you survive all the matches. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lycanth	Posted - 2003.11.14 06:53:00 - [9] actually jash i had the most unfortunate experience of being podded without a clone (on my alt who i couldnt be bothered with clones) i only lost bout 30kskill points Strange but true dont even bother turning your mods on-it wont help.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.14 07:07:00 - [10] Quote: actually jash i had the most unfortunate experience of being podded without a clone (on my alt who i couldnt be bothered with clones) i only lost bout 30kskill points Strange but true Basic clone is only supposed to save 30k points. And I did say the effects of being podded were to go back to 0. So if you mysteriously saved skill points, a GM would be handy to zero you out I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
EvilEric	Posted - 2003.11.14 07:24:00 - [11] Hmmm like it. You could also put a 1mil skill point minimum to prevent alts trained specically for the event. (Is that the minimum for a Scorp+EW? I can't remmeber maybe 1.5mil)
Jolo	Posted - 2003.11.14 07:53:00 - [12] i've been playing since day 1 so no. maybe my alt could do it. ---------------------------------------
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.11.14 07:56:00 - [13] Risk 4 months of work?..not a chance in hell Mercenary \| The Azath
sutty	Posted - 2003.11.14 08:00:00 - [14] hehe wrong wrong wrong, with a basic clone you only lose a few skill points. maybe a level but thats extreme :P
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.11.14 08:24:00 - [15] Yeah, Jash, no clone doesn't take you back to 0. You could drop anywhere between 30k and 300k (corp. mate was podded by Ouria and didn't have a clone ) skill points. Definitely worth the sacrifice. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
BatManolo	Posted - 2003.11.14 09:19:00 - [16] If i thought i had a chance in beating the peeps... Hell yeah!
Carp Riddell	Posted - 2003.11.14 09:45:00 - [17] To loose all skill points, no. Loosing 25%, quite possibly. Not actually sure about the reward though - sounds like a bit of poisoned challice as far as fun gameplay is concerned. Once you'd sussed out your sale price, life would be nothing more than buy orders, factory rent, and a virtually inexhaustable supply of cash. Takes the challenge out of it a bit, and unless you were a _serious_ powergamer, you'd quit out of boredom - Carp Riddell - CEO, Innsmouth Shipping - Proud Member of Curse Alliance
BatManolo	Posted - 2003.11.14 09:55:00 - [18] Quote: To loose all skill points, no. Loosing 25%, quite possibly. Not actually sure about the reward though - sounds like a bit of poisoned challice as far as fun gameplay is concerned. Once you'd sussed out your sale price, life would be nothing more than buy orders, factory rent, and a virtually inexhaustable supply of cash. Takes the challenge out of it a bit, and unless you were a _serious_ powergamer, you'd quit out of boredom I wouldn't actually make any more then was needed for the "Bad Cops" corporation
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.11.14 10:02:00 - [19] I would definitely watch, but I wouldn't take part, because I don't really need the money, and losing everything would sort of suck nuts. .
BatManolo	Posted - 2003.11.14 10:04:00 - [20] I can't believe the attitude of people: "But..but...what if i looose!?" It's only time/money people! Live on the edge! You can't die irl from a gamedeath!
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.11.14 10:05:00 - [21] i play for the skill-points not the money, so no :) (hurray for skillpoints!) [Heterocephalus glaber]
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2003.11.14 10:20:00 - [22] Concord battleships are ugly... and they smell. Ever noticed why people instantly flee once concord shows up? It certainly isn¦t because of their firepower. Mai's Idealog
Dajjal	Posted - 2003.11.14 11:10:00 - [23] Quote: I can't believe the attitude of people: "But..but...what if i looose!?" It's only time/money people! Live on the edge! You can't die irl from a gamedeath! that depends on whether u corp-theft from MSC Gandalf or not... _______________________ E pluribus unum
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.11.14 11:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 14/11/2003 12:00:27 Quote: I can't believe the attitude of people: "But..but...what if i looose!?" It's only time/money people! Live on the edge! You can't die irl from a gamedeath! You can't die from gambling either. Go mortgage your house, hock your car, max out every credit card you can get your hands on and sink the whole lot on a 100/1 outsider at Belmont Park. THEN come back and tell us our attitude is wrong. I wouldn't do it cos the reward isn't worth the risk. Losing six months' effort of gameplay would kick me out of EVE for good; if I gotta start from scratch, I'd rather do so in something I haven't played before. More importantly, I wouldn't do it because a bp that was , quote Jash, "forver guaranteed the only" such bp in the game, would probably be handed out to three or four other people before the week was out. We all know how good CCP are at keeping their word and doing what they said they were going to do _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
BatManolo	Posted - 2003.11.14 12:00:00 - [25] Only one thing to say to that... But what if you win?
Deadflip2	Posted - 2003.11.14 12:31:00 - [26] this will never happen, sp back at 0 means the palyer will elave the game fur sure, meaning another 11$ a month less for ccp --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.11.14 12:36:00 - [27] Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 12:43:23 Would I play the lottery with the stipulation that upon missing out on the jackpot I have to shoot myself in the head? Nah, sounds like a bad idea to me. I might enter if it went more like this: regular rules until the final championship fight, when a "no clone" rule comes into affect. The winner would get something along the lines of 1 free station in a system of their choosing, sentry guns to guard it, and a unique blueprint, while the "runner up" w/ 0 skillpoints would receive a full set of Elite implants and a blueprint to help console them in the fact that they just threw 6 months of training time out the window. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.14 15:14:00 - [28] Quote: this will never happen, sp back at 0 means the palyer will elave the game fur sure, meaning another 11$ a month less for ccp Actually I wouldn't leave. It'd hurt like a sonuva***** but 1 thing would make it a little better: nobody would ever be able to say I couldn't roll the dice and live with what happens next. It's a game. Not Russian Roulette in real life. So yeah, I'd do it. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
FlareZFX	Posted - 2003.11.14 15:28:00 - [29] I'd never go for that. If I lost my skillpoints, I'd quit the game right away, no questions asked.
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.11.14 15:32:00 - [30] Quote: nobody would ever be able to say I couldn't roll the dice and live with what happens next. I find it highly doubtful you would gain any respect by being known as the guy who dumped 5M+ skillpoints down the drain just for the chance at a little glory or a BP; lots of people would be laughing very hard. Veruna Caseti Ishukone

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