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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:37:00 -
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"Concord battleships are ugly... and they smell. Ever noticed why people instantly flee once concord shows up? It certainly isnŠt because of their firepower."
The Minmatar addition to the ship was a nest of Fedo's 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:42:00 -
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nobody would ever be able to say I couldn't roll the dice and live with what happens next.
I find it highly doubtful you would gain any respect by being known as the guy who dumped 5M+ skillpoints down the drain just for the chance at a little glory or a BP; lots of people would be laughing very hard.
And I'd be laughing right back at them. The people that say "Yes" have 2 things over those who laugh, things that those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:49:00 -
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I've had only two PVP experiences, both when I was heavily overmatched, but even if I had to take mt cruiser against a battleship, with no special tricks the BS would not be a definite win.
So hell yes I would go for it.
Two month's ago a bastard in a BB attacked my limping cruiser, I was allready on fire when he happened apon me in p-346. I can't remember who he is but one day I'll find that SOB and pod his a s s.
Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug!
Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:51:00 -
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those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
Oh, please.  I really am rolling my eyes in real life at this post. I shouldn't even bother saying what a ridiculous generalization this is; just another "People who don't enjoy the same things I do just don't understand this game."
EVE has goals, among them are gaining skills so you can do interesting things. I guess because I enjoy having skillpoints to fly better ships and get more out of my weapons and modules I just don't understand how to have fun with the game. Poor me, not enjoying myself. Here I thought I was having a blast.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:04:00 -
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those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
Oh, please. I really am rolling my eyes in real life at this post. I shouldn't even bother saying what a ridiculous generalization this is; just another "People who don't enjoy the same things I do just don't understand this game."
EVE has goals, among them are gaining skills so you can do interesting things. I guess because I enjoy having skillpoints to fly better ships and get more out of my weapons and modules I just don't understand how to have fun with the game. Poor me, not enjoying myself. Here I thought I was having a blast.
And I bet you only have fun at casinos if you win.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:58:00 -
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And I bet you only have fun at casinos if you win.
Okay, nice analogy except;
Fun at casinos = losing some of your money.
Not fun at casinos = losing all of your money.
Face it man, the statement you made was a joke. Just because people aren't willing to throw out all they've accomplished, even if they're imaginary accomplishments, doesn't mean they're not enjoying themselves or that they don't "understand that this is a game."
Veruna Caseti
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.14 17:33:00 -
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alts
This is not a hijack
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:10:00 -
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alts
It'd be a pretty valuable alt to give up. With no ship, module or weapon restrictions it'd be a battleship fight with some hefty skill investment anyways.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:22:00 -
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Well as you can see on thsi thread, I doubt anyone will join with a character that has all those skills and ships.
I think most will train an alt till cruiser level.
This is not a hijack
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mk ultra
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:24:00 -
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jash i would definatly do it . If i was to lose then id start over i dont really care :P
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:39:00 -
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yep, i would definately do it! since my last podding i dont, and not going to, upgrade my clone. podding needs to hurt and it realy doesnt...this way im gonna be more carefull about letting ppl pod me.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:48:00 -
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best question ever.
For that *specific* prize, no. Given that the 1v1 fight eliminates most of the Stupid factors currently plaguing combat, i think i would. Skills take so bloody long to train now, doing several a day might seem refreshing again  .
I'd also like some sort of stroy and game-mechanic driven Thing to move it along, rather than a Mud-like "a Wiz teleports you and your rival to a 10x10 room with no exits to settle your differences..." Something to make some attempt at explaining why this is happening and how.
Like i dunno a mad Jovian offering something (NOT AN UNLIMITED BLOODY BLUEPRINT)(limited is OK)(as long it's like 100 or something and not 4) to whomever finds him... then demanding that the first two people to do so must fight each other for the prize, but only if they deliberately have their own clones trashed first... 
so short form = Yeah, probably.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:07:00 -
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Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself.
The fact that there's probably no chance of this ever happening makes it a lot easier to pretend like you would sign yourself away to n00b SP again; unless of course you're so bored with EVE you're planning on quitting anyway.
Though don't worry, Jash, I still believe you would be silly enough to go through it, just so you could brag about it from your Ibis afterward.
Veruna Caseti
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:19:00 -
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"Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself."
... I think i'd try it if the prize was a custom, limited to single unit ever edition of the Jove battleship. I don't care about the money, but something unique, sleek, sexy and gigeresque with hopefully nice story arc attached is different thing altogether.
Problem is, would also have to get really, really drunk to actually go for that, which kinda makes the outcome quite obvious.... :s
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:20:00 -
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Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself.
The fact that there's probably no chance of this ever happening makes it a lot easier to pretend like you would sign yourself away to n00b SP again; unless of course you're so bored with EVE you're planning on quitting anyway.
Though don't worry, Jash, I still believe you would be silly enough to go through it, just so you could brag about it from your Ibis afterward.
Believe whatever you want, Veruna. Fact is there are some who'd do it. Just for the chance to prove something and have a really nice prize.
I have no doubt whatsoever, we'd never find you in a competition like that.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:23:00 -
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"Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself."
... I think i'd try it if the prize was a custom, limited to single unit ever edition of the Jove battleship. I don't care about the money, but something unique, sleek, sexy and gigeresque with hopefully nice story arc attached is different thing altogether.
Problem is, would also have to get really, really drunk to actually go for that, which kinda makes the outcome quite obvious.... :s
Oooo...can I help with the drunk part? I promise to be on my best behavior
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:30:00 -
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best question ever.
For that *specific* prize, no. Given that the 1v1 fight eliminates most of the Stupid factors currently plaguing combat, i think i would. Skills take so bloody long to train now, doing several a day might seem refreshing again .
I'd also like some sort of stroy and game-mechanic driven Thing to move it along, rather than a Mud-like "a Wiz teleports you and your rival to a 10x10 room with no exits to settle your differences..." Something to make some attempt at explaining why this is happening and how.
Like i dunno a mad Jovian offering something (NOT AN UNLIMITED BLOODY BLUEPRINT)(limited is OK)(as long it's like 100 or something and not 4) to whomever finds him... then demanding that the first two people to do so must fight each other for the prize, but only if they deliberately have their own clones trashed first...
so short form = Yeah, probably.
Well that's sorta why I said a Concord battleship.
Concord would be looking for the bravest and best pilot in the universe. To prove the bravest, enter a combat tourney with no clone. To prove the best, come out on top.
Balance the Concord SpecOps bship to what the best designers from all 4 races could make (namely weapon bonuses for all weapon types and bship sensor strength in all 4 sensor types) and you got one hell of a ship.
Now the question would be, would the winner sell the ships or outfit his buddies into a force to reckon with?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:36:00 -
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best question ever.
For that *specific* prize, no. Given that the 1v1 fight eliminates most of the Stupid factors currently plaguing combat, i think i would. Skills take so bloody long to train now, doing several a day might seem refreshing again .
I'd also like some sort of stroy and game-mechanic driven Thing to move it along, rather than a Mud-like "a Wiz teleports you and your rival to a 10x10 room with no exits to settle your differences..." Something to make some attempt at explaining why this is happening and how.
Like i dunno a mad Jovian offering something (NOT AN UNLIMITED BLOODY BLUEPRINT)(limited is OK)(as long it's like 100 or something and not 4) to whomever finds him... then demanding that the first two people to do so must fight each other for the prize, but only if they deliberately have their own clones trashed first...
so short form = Yeah, probably.
Well that's sorta why I said a Concord battleship.
Concord would be looking for the bravest and best pilot in the universe. To prove the bravest, enter a combat tourney with no clone. To prove the best, come out on top.
Balance the Concord SpecOps bship to what the best designers from all 4 races could make (namely weapon bonuses for all weapon types and bship sensor strength in all 4 sensor types) and you got one hell of a ship.
Now the question would be, would the winner sell the ships or outfit his buddies into a force to reckon with?
If they actually made Concord ships decent then it would be worth a second glance, but there is only so much money you need in the game, i sure as hell dont get my fun from increasing my wallet from 600m to 650m in a night :P
No ammount of money would make me risk 4.5m skill points.
Actually having my own station would make me consider it ;) So long as i could place it where i want, and rule it as i want
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 19:41:36
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 19:39:13
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I have no doubt whatsoever, we'd never find you in a competition like that.
Jash Illian, Capt. of the bleedin' obvious.
Maybe if I was quitting. Maybe if it paid out in the ability to get rich in real life; but no, I wouldn't throw away 3.5M skillpoints just for the remote chance at some bragging rights or a BP, that's the dictionary defintion of asinine.
I have no doubt we would see you in a competition like this; you never pass up a chance to run your mouth whatever the cost.
And I do believe most of these folks, if actually presented with the real choice in game, would say go **** yourself to this idea.
Veruna Caseti
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 14/11/2003 19:44:35
Edited by: Nirvy on 14/11/2003 19:43:49
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 19:39:13
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I have no doubt whatsoever, we'd never find you in a competition like that.
Jash Illian, Capt. of the bleedin' obvious.
Maybe if I was quitting. Maybe if it paid out in the ability to get rich in real life; but no, I wouldn't throw away 3.5M skillpoints just for the remote chance at some bragging rights or a BP, that's the dictionary defintion of asinine.
I have no doubt we would see you in a competition like this; you never pass up a chance to run your mouth whatever the cost.
You not exactly the quiet type yourself. Somepeople like Risk in game, i remember the buzz i got from playing DII in hardcore mode, if you havent noticed eve has a general pattern
Noob
Miner
NPC hunter
Miner to get a bship
Mining
Mining
Boredom
Boredom
PvP
Fun!
Fun!
Realization that PvP is shagged
Boredom
Risk everything to try to rekindly some fun
Buh bye Eve
Wish i met you in the CA/CFS war 
Mercenary | The Azath |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/11/2003 19:48:53
"Oooo...can I help with the drunk part? I promise to be on my best behavior "
o.o; Given the contest conditions... i think only as long as you don't plan on keeping the word regarding that best behaviour. :P
(if am to find myself with skill-blank mind on the next day, i want to have at least a plausible --if crude-- explanation of possible cause... :s
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:48:00 -
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Boredom
Risk everything to try to rekindly some fun
Buh bye Eve
Exactly what I said in the first place; the only people in their right minds who would do this would be those who are bored to the point of quitting anyway, and have "nothing to lose" in a sense.
Very few people who actually plan on sticking with the game would do this, unless the prize was absolutely astronomical.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/11/2003 19:48:53
"Oooo...can I help with the drunk part? I promise to be on my best behavior "
o.o; Given the contest conditions... i think only as long as you don't plan on keeping the word regarding that best behaviour. :P
(if am to find myself with skill-blank mind on the next day, i want to have at least a plausible --if crude-- explanation of possible cause... :s
No, you'd want me on my absolute best behavior. Trust me
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
voogru
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:00:00 -
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That ship would be a great indy.
14000 cargo with 4 lowslots, and tons of room for mods/weapons.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:03:00 -
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I would never waste 6 month's of training and over 5.5 million skill points for a single Uber price.
If I was quitting the game, I would much rather sell my account to make some money back and recover my expenses.
It would be stupid to waste all that invested time and money on a single price I may not even win.
I do believe there are people out there willing to do such a thing. More power to them.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:14:00 -
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I would never waste 6 month's of training and over 5.5 million skill points for a single Uber price.
If I was quitting the game, I would much rather sell my account to make some money back and recover my expenses.
It would be stupid to waste all that invested time and money on a single price I may not even win.
I do believe there are people out there willing to do such a thing. More power to them.
It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:26:00 -
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I would never waste 6 month's of training and over 5.5 million skill points for a single Uber price.
If I was quitting the game, I would much rather sell my account to make some money back and recover my expenses.
It would be stupid to waste all that invested time and money on a single price I may not even win.
I do believe there are people out there willing to do such a thing. More power to them.
It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
First, I wasn't calling anyone stupid. It would be stupid for *me* to waste my account since I like to make my money back when I stop playing an MMO's.
Secondly, your assumption that people who are involved in high risk activities understand something that I don't and to imply they are better gamers is ridiculous.
They don't understand anything better than anyone. It is just in their character to be involved in high risk activities for the simple thrill and joy of it. Some people are willing to give up more than others for that feeling. Doesn't make them any better than the calculating or conservative types because they are having fun in their own ways.
Thirdly, I was stating my opinion since this is a theoretical question. But I see this was just a trap so you can indulge yourself in attacking people and argue with yourself again.
I should know better than to participate in anything with the name Jash Illian written all over it. This thread is just another..."If you don't play the way I do you suck!" More schoolyard tactics from your part.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:43:00 -
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Thirdly, I was stating my opinion since this is a theoretical question. But I see this was just a trap so you can indulge yourself in attacking people and argue with yourself again.
I should know better than to participate in anything with the name Jash Illian written all over it. This thread is just another..."If you don't play the way I do you suck!" More schoolyard tactics from your part.
Given my nature if I believed that someone who participated in a contest like that was a better gamer than you, I'd have said exactly that. You progressed past the subtle attack stage a long time ago.
You read exactly what you wanted to read into what was said: Me attacking you so you could chime up with an attack on me of your own. Strange how Bad Harlequin, who does not like me, can accept the question at face value but you can't.
Bit sensitive are we?
^-- Minor riposte since you apparently need visual aids now.
^-- Halfhearted smack since you're really not worth it any more
^-- Solid jabs to show I'm still capable
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 21:13:00 -
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Thirdly, I was stating my opinion since this is a theoretical question. But I see this was just a trap so you can indulge yourself in attacking people and argue with yourself again.
I should know better than to participate in anything with the name Jash Illian written all over it. This thread is just another..."If you don't play the way I do you suck!" More schoolyard tactics from your part.
Given my nature if I believed that someone who participated in a contest like that was a better gamer than you, I'd have said exactly that. You progressed past the subtle attack stage a long time ago.
You read exactly what you wanted to read into what was said: Me attacking you so you could chime up with an attack on me of your own. Strange how Bad Harlequin, who does not like me, can accept the question at face value but you can't.
Bit sensitive are we?
^-- Minor riposte since you apparently need visual aids now.
^-- Halfhearted smack since you're really not worth it any more
^-- Solid jabs to show I'm still capable
This is classic Jash. Are you not aware that people are familiar with your tactics?
I'm not even going to bother to reply to this point by point. It's not worth it. Just continue inflating yourself since that's what you always do. No matter what I say, you will just twist it around in some way or another.
I'm not going to start a back and forth flame war here because we all know where this is going to end.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 21:59:17
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It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
Maybe they actually understand something I don't? Could you try to be a little more self-serving in your posts? I'm not quite totally sick of reading about how cool you are.
I hate to burst your elitist bubble but there's jack **** you understand about high risk PVP that I haven't been dealing with for a decade or more, I hardly need you to school me about how risking things can be fun.
Diablo II? Are you kidding me? Diablo II is a ******* joke in the world of PvP. That you even mentioned it in this discussion is proof enough your talking out of your ass.
There was a mode on the game I used to play that let you gain power 50% faster but deleted your character if you died. Every veteran player in the game would laugh and ridicule players who started <Hardcore> because they knew their day would come. They would arrive, play for months talking **** about how fast they were passing everyone up and getting uber powerful, die, and quit the game in frustration at realizing how many hours they simply tossed down the toilet. It too was about a big reward, and bragging rights; and guess who was on the losing end every single time without fail? The morons who got greedy and couldn't resist the lure of the prizes without considering any long term consequences.
Risk is what makes PvP fun; but people who use their brains in deciding what to risk, when, where and with whom are the ones who come out on top. I wouldn't hesitate to laugh in the face of anyone who would participate in this kind of a competition just to see the last 6 months of their gaming flushed.
Veruna Caseti
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