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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 05:46:00 -
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If CCP dangled a significant, unique prize in front of you would you enter a No Clone shootout?
Say for example CCP had another combat contest except with no restrictions on ships, weapons, modules or podding. 1 on 1. And prior to your fight, a GM reduced you to a basic clone. With the prize being, forever guaranteed, the only Concord Spec Ops Battleship blueprint ever to be in existance during the duration of Eve Online.
Would you enter that match? 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.11.14 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Archemedes on 14/11/2003 05:55:01
<looks at 2-3 million SP worth of combat skills left to train and ship loaded with only standard modules...>
Nope. 
(but if I'd been here since launch and HAD all those skills and a great ship it might be tempting)
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Golgrath on 14/11/2003 06:24:20
Structure
hp295
Capacity14000 m3
Drone Capacity5000 m3
Mass20000000 kg
Volume1080000 m3
Max Velocity130 m/s
Armor
Armor500 hp
Armor Em Damage Resistance90%
Armor Explosive Damage Resistance9%
Armor Kinetic Damage Resistance25%
Armor Thermal Damage Resistance35%
Shield
Shield HP1875 hp
Shield Recharge Time2000.00s
Shield Em Damage Resistance0%
Shield Explosive Damage Resistance60%
Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance40%
Shield Thermal Damage Resistance19%
Capacitor
Capacitor Capacity1500
Recharge time562 s
Targeting
Maximum Targeting Range25000
Max Locked Targets7
Targeting Speed2000
LADAR Strength5 points
Magnetometric Strength10 points
RADAR Strength5 points
Gravimetric Sensor Strength5 points
Fitting
CPU600 tf
Powergrid25000 MW
LowSlots4
MedSlots5
HiSlots8
Turret hardpoints5
Launcher hardpoints7
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Definately no.
But for another good ship BP i could. And the skillpoint loss isn't that bad iirc from beta (one level loss in couple of skills).
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Astaroth
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:11:00 -
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Absolutely with that bp id be richer than techell and tti(at its peak) combined.
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Jonathon Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:15:00 -
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Certainly not; for two reasons..
I recognise that my PvP skills, (meaning both skillpoints and skill in the true sense of the word), are nowhere near as developed as some, and:
Those statistics really are terrible.
I can see where you're coming from though; offering a unique BP for a ship in a contest; (providing that the statistics on the ship were not so significantly unbalanced as to make other ships useless) would be a very persuasive carrot.
Even if the BP was purely cosmetic; a jet-black Apocalypse, or something...
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Turtle
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:23:00 -
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Well based on the stats posted above no, but in general if it truly unique then yes I would sign up.
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Lycanth
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:38:00 -
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Absolutely as soon as i replace my typhoon for a tempest
i am confident of my pvp experience
dont even bother turning your mods on-it wont help. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 14/11/2003 06:57:18
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But for another good ship BP i could. And the skillpoint loss isn't that bad iirc from beta (one level loss in couple of skills).
Actually with absolutely no clone, you'd go back to 0. So you'd lose every single skillpoint to date if you were podded during the match. I say "if" because there's always the chance that if your ship was destroyed, your opponent might balk at sending you to 0...
And those stats are because the ship hasn't been balanced against to the ships currently in the game. Though if it had comparable Tier 2 battleship stats, 14 sensor strength in all sensor types (being a work created by all races) and upgradeable to the next TL as allegedly all original bps will be it'd be something fierce to contend with.
Oh and just so people wouldn't get scared off by a Day 1 ex-beta tester who had all their skill training worked out on a schedule: no posting the other entries until the day of the match.
Just you and your opponent, out in the middle of a blank solar system with nowhere to warp to and recover. And one hell of a carrot if you survive all the matches.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lycanth
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:53:00 -
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actually jash i had the most unfortunate experience of being podded without a clone (on my alt who i couldnt be bothered with clones )
i only lost bout 30kskill points
Strange but true
dont even bother turning your mods on-it wont help. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 07:07:00 -
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actually jash i had the most unfortunate experience of being podded without a clone (on my alt who i couldnt be bothered with clones)
i only lost bout 30kskill points
Strange but true
Basic clone is only supposed to save 30k points. And I did say the effects of being podded were to go back to 0. So if you mysteriously saved skill points, a GM would be handy to zero you out
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.11.14 07:24:00 -
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Hmmm like it. You could also put a 1mil skill point minimum to prevent alts trained specically for the event. (Is that the minimum for a Scorp+EW? I can't remmeber maybe 1.5mil)
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 07:53:00 -
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i've been playing since day 1
so no. maybe my alt could do it.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.14 07:56:00 -
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Risk 4 months of work?..not a chance in hell
Mercenary | The Azath |
sutty
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Posted - 2003.11.14 08:00:00 -
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hehe wrong wrong wrong, with a basic clone you only lose a few skill points. maybe a level but thats extreme :P
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.14 08:24:00 -
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Yeah, Jash, no clone doesn't take you back to 0.
You could drop anywhere between 30k and 300k (corp. mate was podded by Ouria and didn't have a clone ) skill points.
Definitely worth the sacrifice.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
BatManolo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:19:00 -
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If i thought i had a chance in beating the peeps...
Hell yeah! 
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Carp Riddell
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:45:00 -
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To loose all skill points, no. Loosing 25%, quite possibly.
Not actually sure about the reward though - sounds like a bit of poisoned challice as far as fun gameplay is concerned. Once you'd sussed out your sale price, life would be nothing more than buy orders, factory rent, and a virtually inexhaustable supply of cash. Takes the challenge out of it a bit, and unless you were a _serious_ powergamer, you'd quit out of boredom 
- Carp Riddell
- CEO, Innsmouth Shipping
- Proud Member of Curse Alliance
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BatManolo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:55:00 -
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To loose all skill points, no. Loosing 25%, quite possibly.
Not actually sure about the reward though - sounds like a bit of poisoned challice as far as fun gameplay is concerned. Once you'd sussed out your sale price, life would be nothing more than buy orders, factory rent, and a virtually inexhaustable supply of cash. Takes the challenge out of it a bit, and unless you were a _serious_ powergamer, you'd quit out of boredom
I wouldn't actually make any more then was needed for the "Bad Cops" corporation
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:02:00 -
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I would definitely watch, but I wouldn't take part, because I don't really need the money, and losing everything would sort of suck nuts.
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BatManolo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:04:00 -
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I can't believe the attitude of people:
"But..but...what if i looose!?"
It's only time/money people!
Live on the edge!
You can't die irl from a gamedeath!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:05:00 -
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i play for the skill-points not the money, so no :)
(hurray for skillpoints!)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:20:00 -
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Concord battleships are ugly... and they smell. Ever noticed why people instantly flee once concord shows up? It certainly isnŠt because of their firepower.
Mai's Idealog |
Dajjal
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:10:00 -
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Quote:
I can't believe the attitude of people:
"But..but...what if i looose!?"
It's only time/money people!
Live on the edge!
You can't die irl from a gamedeath!
that depends on whether u corp-theft from MSC Gandalf or not... 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 14/11/2003 12:00:27
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I can't believe the attitude of people:
"But..but...what if i looose!?"
It's only time/money people!
Live on the edge!
You can't die irl from a gamedeath!
You can't die from gambling either. Go mortgage your house, hock your car, max out every credit card you can get your hands on and sink the whole lot on a 100/1 outsider at Belmont Park. THEN come back and tell us our attitude is wrong.
I wouldn't do it cos the reward isn't worth the risk. Losing six months' effort of gameplay would kick me out of EVE for good; if I gotta start from scratch, I'd rather do so in something I haven't played before.
More importantly, I wouldn't do it because a bp that was , quote Jash, "forver guaranteed the only" such bp in the game, would probably be handed out to three or four other people before the week was out. We all know how good CCP are at keeping their word and doing what they said they were going to do
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BatManolo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:00:00 -
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Only one thing to say to that...
But what if you win?
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:31:00 -
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this will never happen, sp back at 0 means the palyer will elave the game fur sure, meaning another 11$ a month less for ccp
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I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 12:43:23
Would I play the lottery with the stipulation that upon missing out on the jackpot I have to shoot myself in the head? Nah, sounds like a bad idea to me.
I might enter if it went more like this: regular rules until the final championship fight, when a "no clone" rule comes into affect. The winner would get something along the lines of 1 free station in a system of their choosing, sentry guns to guard it, and a unique blueprint, while the "runner up" w/ 0 skillpoints would receive a full set of Elite implants and a blueprint to help console them in the fact that they just threw 6 months of training time out the window.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:14:00 -
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this will never happen, sp back at 0 means the palyer will elave the game fur sure, meaning another 11$ a month less for ccp
Actually I wouldn't leave. It'd hurt like a sonuva***** but 1 thing would make it a little better: nobody would ever be able to say I couldn't roll the dice and live with what happens next.
It's a game. Not Russian Roulette in real life. So yeah, I'd do it.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
FlareZFX
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:28:00 -
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I'd never go for that. If I lost my skillpoints, I'd quit the game right away, no questions asked.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:32:00 -
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nobody would ever be able to say I couldn't roll the dice and live with what happens next.
I find it highly doubtful you would gain any respect by being known as the guy who dumped 5M+ skillpoints down the drain just for the chance at a little glory or a BP; lots of people would be laughing very hard.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:37:00 -
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"Concord battleships are ugly... and they smell. Ever noticed why people instantly flee once concord shows up? It certainly isnŠt because of their firepower."
The Minmatar addition to the ship was a nest of Fedo's 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:42:00 -
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Quote:
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nobody would ever be able to say I couldn't roll the dice and live with what happens next.
I find it highly doubtful you would gain any respect by being known as the guy who dumped 5M+ skillpoints down the drain just for the chance at a little glory or a BP; lots of people would be laughing very hard.
And I'd be laughing right back at them. The people that say "Yes" have 2 things over those who laugh, things that those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:49:00 -
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I've had only two PVP experiences, both when I was heavily overmatched, but even if I had to take mt cruiser against a battleship, with no special tricks the BS would not be a definite win.
So hell yes I would go for it.
Two month's ago a bastard in a BB attacked my limping cruiser, I was allready on fire when he happened apon me in p-346. I can't remember who he is but one day I'll find that SOB and pod his a s s.
Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug!
Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:51:00 -
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Quote:
those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
Oh, please. I really am rolling my eyes in real life at this post. I shouldn't even bother saying what a ridiculous generalization this is; just another "People who don't enjoy the same things I do just don't understand this game."
EVE has goals, among them are gaining skills so you can do interesting things. I guess because I enjoy having skillpoints to fly better ships and get more out of my weapons and modules I just don't understand how to have fun with the game. Poor me, not enjoying myself. Here I thought I was having a blast.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:04:00 -
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Quote:
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those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
Oh, please. I really am rolling my eyes in real life at this post. I shouldn't even bother saying what a ridiculous generalization this is; just another "People who don't enjoy the same things I do just don't understand this game."
EVE has goals, among them are gaining skills so you can do interesting things. I guess because I enjoy having skillpoints to fly better ships and get more out of my weapons and modules I just don't understand how to have fun with the game. Poor me, not enjoying myself. Here I thought I was having a blast.
And I bet you only have fun at casinos if you win.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:58:00 -
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And I bet you only have fun at casinos if you win.
Okay, nice analogy except;
Fun at casinos = losing some of your money.
Not fun at casinos = losing all of your money.
Face it man, the statement you made was a joke. Just because people aren't willing to throw out all they've accomplished, even if they're imaginary accomplishments, doesn't mean they're not enjoying themselves or that they don't "understand that this is a game."
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.14 17:33:00 -
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alts
This is not a hijack
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:10:00 -
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Quote:
alts
It'd be a pretty valuable alt to give up. With no ship, module or weapon restrictions it'd be a battleship fight with some hefty skill investment anyways.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:22:00 -
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Well as you can see on thsi thread, I doubt anyone will join with a character that has all those skills and ships.
I think most will train an alt till cruiser level.
This is not a hijack
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mk ultra
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:24:00 -
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jash i would definatly do it . If i was to lose then id start over i dont really care :P
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:39:00 -
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yep, i would definately do it! since my last podding i dont, and not going to, upgrade my clone. podding needs to hurt and it realy doesnt...this way im gonna be more carefull about letting ppl pod me.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.14 18:48:00 -
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best question ever.
For that *specific* prize, no. Given that the 1v1 fight eliminates most of the Stupid factors currently plaguing combat, i think i would. Skills take so bloody long to train now, doing several a day might seem refreshing again .
I'd also like some sort of stroy and game-mechanic driven Thing to move it along, rather than a Mud-like "a Wiz teleports you and your rival to a 10x10 room with no exits to settle your differences..." Something to make some attempt at explaining why this is happening and how.
Like i dunno a mad Jovian offering something (NOT AN UNLIMITED BLOODY BLUEPRINT)(limited is OK)(as long it's like 100 or something and not 4) to whomever finds him... then demanding that the first two people to do so must fight each other for the prize, but only if they deliberately have their own clones trashed first...
so short form = Yeah, probably.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:07:00 -
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Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself.
The fact that there's probably no chance of this ever happening makes it a lot easier to pretend like you would sign yourself away to n00b SP again; unless of course you're so bored with EVE you're planning on quitting anyway.
Though don't worry, Jash, I still believe you would be silly enough to go through it, just so you could brag about it from your Ibis afterward.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:19:00 -
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"Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself."
... I think i'd try it if the prize was a custom, limited to single unit ever edition of the Jove battleship. I don't care about the money, but something unique, sleek, sexy and gigeresque with hopefully nice story arc attached is different thing altogether.
Problem is, would also have to get really, really drunk to actually go for that, which kinda makes the outcome quite obvious.... :s
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:20:00 -
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Quote:
Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself.
The fact that there's probably no chance of this ever happening makes it a lot easier to pretend like you would sign yourself away to n00b SP again; unless of course you're so bored with EVE you're planning on quitting anyway.
Though don't worry, Jash, I still believe you would be silly enough to go through it, just so you could brag about it from your Ibis afterward.
Believe whatever you want, Veruna. Fact is there are some who'd do it. Just for the chance to prove something and have a really nice prize.
I have no doubt whatsoever, we'd never find you in a competition like that.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:23:00 -
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Quote:
"Sorry to play the skeptic, but I have a sneaking feeling half the people on this thread so far who have said "Sure I'd do it!" would back down if the opportunity actually presented itself."
... I think i'd try it if the prize was a custom, limited to single unit ever edition of the Jove battleship. I don't care about the money, but something unique, sleek, sexy and gigeresque with hopefully nice story arc attached is different thing altogether.
Problem is, would also have to get really, really drunk to actually go for that, which kinda makes the outcome quite obvious.... :s
Oooo...can I help with the drunk part? I promise to be on my best behavior
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:30:00 -
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best question ever.
For that *specific* prize, no. Given that the 1v1 fight eliminates most of the Stupid factors currently plaguing combat, i think i would. Skills take so bloody long to train now, doing several a day might seem refreshing again .
I'd also like some sort of stroy and game-mechanic driven Thing to move it along, rather than a Mud-like "a Wiz teleports you and your rival to a 10x10 room with no exits to settle your differences..." Something to make some attempt at explaining why this is happening and how.
Like i dunno a mad Jovian offering something (NOT AN UNLIMITED BLOODY BLUEPRINT)(limited is OK)(as long it's like 100 or something and not 4) to whomever finds him... then demanding that the first two people to do so must fight each other for the prize, but only if they deliberately have their own clones trashed first...
so short form = Yeah, probably.
Well that's sorta why I said a Concord battleship.
Concord would be looking for the bravest and best pilot in the universe. To prove the bravest, enter a combat tourney with no clone. To prove the best, come out on top.
Balance the Concord SpecOps bship to what the best designers from all 4 races could make (namely weapon bonuses for all weapon types and bship sensor strength in all 4 sensor types) and you got one hell of a ship.
Now the question would be, would the winner sell the ships or outfit his buddies into a force to reckon with?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:36:00 -
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Quote:
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best question ever.
For that *specific* prize, no. Given that the 1v1 fight eliminates most of the Stupid factors currently plaguing combat, i think i would. Skills take so bloody long to train now, doing several a day might seem refreshing again .
I'd also like some sort of stroy and game-mechanic driven Thing to move it along, rather than a Mud-like "a Wiz teleports you and your rival to a 10x10 room with no exits to settle your differences..." Something to make some attempt at explaining why this is happening and how.
Like i dunno a mad Jovian offering something (NOT AN UNLIMITED BLOODY BLUEPRINT)(limited is OK)(as long it's like 100 or something and not 4) to whomever finds him... then demanding that the first two people to do so must fight each other for the prize, but only if they deliberately have their own clones trashed first...
so short form = Yeah, probably.
Well that's sorta why I said a Concord battleship.
Concord would be looking for the bravest and best pilot in the universe. To prove the bravest, enter a combat tourney with no clone. To prove the best, come out on top.
Balance the Concord SpecOps bship to what the best designers from all 4 races could make (namely weapon bonuses for all weapon types and bship sensor strength in all 4 sensor types) and you got one hell of a ship.
Now the question would be, would the winner sell the ships or outfit his buddies into a force to reckon with?
If they actually made Concord ships decent then it would be worth a second glance, but there is only so much money you need in the game, i sure as hell dont get my fun from increasing my wallet from 600m to 650m in a night :P
No ammount of money would make me risk 4.5m skill points.
Actually having my own station would make me consider it ;) So long as i could place it where i want, and rule it as i want
Mercenary | The Azath |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:37:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 19:41:36
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 19:39:13
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I have no doubt whatsoever, we'd never find you in a competition like that.
Jash Illian, Capt. of the bleedin' obvious.
Maybe if I was quitting. Maybe if it paid out in the ability to get rich in real life; but no, I wouldn't throw away 3.5M skillpoints just for the remote chance at some bragging rights or a BP, that's the dictionary defintion of asinine.
I have no doubt we would see you in a competition like this; you never pass up a chance to run your mouth whatever the cost.
And I do believe most of these folks, if actually presented with the real choice in game, would say go **** yourself to this idea.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 14/11/2003 19:44:35
Edited by: Nirvy on 14/11/2003 19:43:49
Quote:
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 19:39:13
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I have no doubt whatsoever, we'd never find you in a competition like that.
Jash Illian, Capt. of the bleedin' obvious.
Maybe if I was quitting. Maybe if it paid out in the ability to get rich in real life; but no, I wouldn't throw away 3.5M skillpoints just for the remote chance at some bragging rights or a BP, that's the dictionary defintion of asinine.
I have no doubt we would see you in a competition like this; you never pass up a chance to run your mouth whatever the cost.
You not exactly the quiet type yourself. Somepeople like Risk in game, i remember the buzz i got from playing DII in hardcore mode, if you havent noticed eve has a general pattern
Noob
Miner
NPC hunter
Miner to get a bship
Mining
Mining
Boredom
Boredom
PvP
Fun!
Fun!
Realization that PvP is shagged
Boredom
Risk everything to try to rekindly some fun
Buh bye Eve
Wish i met you in the CA/CFS war 
Mercenary | The Azath |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/11/2003 19:48:53
"Oooo...can I help with the drunk part? I promise to be on my best behavior "
o.o; Given the contest conditions... i think only as long as you don't plan on keeping the word regarding that best behaviour. :P
(if am to find myself with skill-blank mind on the next day, i want to have at least a plausible --if crude-- explanation of possible cause... :s
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:48:00 -
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Boredom
Risk everything to try to rekindly some fun
Buh bye Eve
Exactly what I said in the first place; the only people in their right minds who would do this would be those who are bored to the point of quitting anyway, and have "nothing to lose" in a sense.
Very few people who actually plan on sticking with the game would do this, unless the prize was absolutely astronomical.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/11/2003 19:48:53
"Oooo...can I help with the drunk part? I promise to be on my best behavior "
o.o; Given the contest conditions... i think only as long as you don't plan on keeping the word regarding that best behaviour. :P
(if am to find myself with skill-blank mind on the next day, i want to have at least a plausible --if crude-- explanation of possible cause... :s
No, you'd want me on my absolute best behavior. Trust me
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
voogru
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:00:00 -
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That ship would be a great indy.
14000 cargo with 4 lowslots, and tons of room for mods/weapons.
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Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Guardian Enforcer, wrecking for 827.3 damage. |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:03:00 -
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I would never waste 6 month's of training and over 5.5 million skill points for a single Uber price.
If I was quitting the game, I would much rather sell my account to make some money back and recover my expenses.
It would be stupid to waste all that invested time and money on a single price I may not even win.
I do believe there are people out there willing to do such a thing. More power to them.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:14:00 -
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I would never waste 6 month's of training and over 5.5 million skill points for a single Uber price.
If I was quitting the game, I would much rather sell my account to make some money back and recover my expenses.
It would be stupid to waste all that invested time and money on a single price I may not even win.
I do believe there are people out there willing to do such a thing. More power to them.
It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:26:00 -
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I would never waste 6 month's of training and over 5.5 million skill points for a single Uber price.
If I was quitting the game, I would much rather sell my account to make some money back and recover my expenses.
It would be stupid to waste all that invested time and money on a single price I may not even win.
I do believe there are people out there willing to do such a thing. More power to them.
It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
First, I wasn't calling anyone stupid. It would be stupid for *me* to waste my account since I like to make my money back when I stop playing an MMO's.
Secondly, your assumption that people who are involved in high risk activities understand something that I don't and to imply they are better gamers is ridiculous.
They don't understand anything better than anyone. It is just in their character to be involved in high risk activities for the simple thrill and joy of it. Some people are willing to give up more than others for that feeling. Doesn't make them any better than the calculating or conservative types because they are having fun in their own ways.
Thirdly, I was stating my opinion since this is a theoretical question. But I see this was just a trap so you can indulge yourself in attacking people and argue with yourself again.
I should know better than to participate in anything with the name Jash Illian written all over it. This thread is just another..."If you don't play the way I do you suck!" More schoolyard tactics from your part.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 20:43:00 -
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Thirdly, I was stating my opinion since this is a theoretical question. But I see this was just a trap so you can indulge yourself in attacking people and argue with yourself again.
I should know better than to participate in anything with the name Jash Illian written all over it. This thread is just another..."If you don't play the way I do you suck!" More schoolyard tactics from your part.
Given my nature if I believed that someone who participated in a contest like that was a better gamer than you, I'd have said exactly that. You progressed past the subtle attack stage a long time ago.
You read exactly what you wanted to read into what was said: Me attacking you so you could chime up with an attack on me of your own. Strange how Bad Harlequin, who does not like me, can accept the question at face value but you can't.
Bit sensitive are we?
^-- Minor riposte since you apparently need visual aids now.
^-- Halfhearted smack since you're really not worth it any more
^-- Solid jabs to show I'm still capable
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 21:13:00 -
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Thirdly, I was stating my opinion since this is a theoretical question. But I see this was just a trap so you can indulge yourself in attacking people and argue with yourself again.
I should know better than to participate in anything with the name Jash Illian written all over it. This thread is just another..."If you don't play the way I do you suck!" More schoolyard tactics from your part.
Given my nature if I believed that someone who participated in a contest like that was a better gamer than you, I'd have said exactly that. You progressed past the subtle attack stage a long time ago.
You read exactly what you wanted to read into what was said: Me attacking you so you could chime up with an attack on me of your own. Strange how Bad Harlequin, who does not like me, can accept the question at face value but you can't.
Bit sensitive are we?
^-- Minor riposte since you apparently need visual aids now.
^-- Halfhearted smack since you're really not worth it any more
^-- Solid jabs to show I'm still capable
This is classic Jash. Are you not aware that people are familiar with your tactics?
I'm not even going to bother to reply to this point by point. It's not worth it. Just continue inflating yourself since that's what you always do. No matter what I say, you will just twist it around in some way or another.
I'm not going to start a back and forth flame war here because we all know where this is going to end.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.14 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 21:59:17
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It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
Maybe they actually understand something I don't? Could you try to be a little more self-serving in your posts? I'm not quite totally sick of reading about how cool you are.
I hate to burst your elitist bubble but there's jack **** you understand about high risk PVP that I haven't been dealing with for a decade or more, I hardly need you to school me about how risking things can be fun.
Diablo II? Are you kidding me? Diablo II is a ******* joke in the world of PvP. That you even mentioned it in this discussion is proof enough your talking out of your ass.
There was a mode on the game I used to play that let you gain power 50% faster but deleted your character if you died. Every veteran player in the game would laugh and ridicule players who started <Hardcore> because they knew their day would come. They would arrive, play for months talking **** about how fast they were passing everyone up and getting uber powerful, die, and quit the game in frustration at realizing how many hours they simply tossed down the toilet. It too was about a big reward, and bragging rights; and guess who was on the losing end every single time without fail? The morons who got greedy and couldn't resist the lure of the prizes without considering any long term consequences.
Risk is what makes PvP fun; but people who use their brains in deciding what to risk, when, where and with whom are the ones who come out on top. I wouldn't hesitate to laugh in the face of anyone who would participate in this kind of a competition just to see the last 6 months of their gaming flushed.
Veruna Caseti
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.11.14 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 21:59:17
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It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
Maybe they actually understand something I don't? Could you try to be a little more self-serving in your posts? I'm not quite totally sick of reading about how cool you are.
I hate to burst your elitist bubble but there's jack **** you understand about high risk PVP that I haven't been dealing with for a decade or more, I hardly need you to school me about how risking things can be fun.
Diablo II? Are you kidding me? Diablo II is a ******* joke in the world of PvP. That you even mentioned it in this discussion is proof enough your talking out of your ass.
There was a mode on the game I used to play that let you gain power 50% faster but deleted your character if you died. Every veteran player in the game would laugh and ridicule players who started <Hardcore> because they knew their day would come. They would arrive, play for months talking **** about how fast they were passing everyone up and getting uber powerful, die, and quit the game in frustration at realizing how many hours they simply tossed down the toilet. It too was about a big reward, and bragging rights; and guess who was on the losing end every single time without fail? The morons who got greedy and couldn't resist the lure of the prizes without considering any long term consequences.
Risk is what makes PvP fun; but people who use their brains in deciding what to risk, when, where and with whom are the ones who come out on top. I wouldn't hesitate to laugh in the face of anyone who would participate in this kind of a competition just to see the last 6 months of their gaming flushed.
Veruna, why bother with Jash anymore? You know he is going to turn around and twist this post like he twisted mine. It's almost a waste of time really. This is just going to drag for pages with no end.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Damian Alturna
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Posted - 2003.11.14 22:08:00 -
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I would not call the concord battleships battleships. They are the best Far-out-mining ships. With a cargospace of 14000m3 you can mine a lot of bistot. And do not forget you can increase that cargoroom with mods. Never seen a greater cargospace.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.14 22:24:00 -
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Well that's sorta why I said a Concord battleship.
Concord would be looking for the bravest and best pilot in the universe. To prove the bravest, enter a combat tourney with no clone. To prove the best, come out on top.
so would we also get the CONCORD instawarp autolock magigank?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 14/11/2003 21:59:17
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It's the difference between those who played on the normal Diablo II servers and those that played on the Hardcore ones. Some people just enjoy something that involves risk.
Just because you don't understand how doesn't make them stupid. Maybe they actually understand something that you don't.
Maybe they actually understand something I don't? Could you try to be a little more self-serving in your posts? I'm not quite totally sick of reading about how cool you are.
You know I am utterly sick of you. This thread was going fine until you brought your sterling contribution into it with:
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I find it highly doubtful you would gain any respect by being known as the guy who dumped 5M+ skillpoints down the drain just for the chance at a little glory or a BP; lots of people would be laughing very hard.
And now you want to climb on a high horse and try to lecture me?
If you're of the opinion you wouldn't want to participate, fine. That's ALL you had to say. But you had to take it a step further. I don't give Bad Harlequin much credit for anything. But I can give him the credit of answering the question at face value and leaving the rest at the door.
Why don't you take that little ego of yours and go do what you do best: Mine where there's someone bigger to protect you.
You're not equipped to do anything else. Not mentally, not physically. Mining is just perfect for someone with no clue and no vertebrae.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.14 22:27:00 -
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I would not call the concord battleships battleships. They are the best Far-out-mining ships. With a cargospace of 14000m3 you can mine a lot of bistot. And do not forget you can increase that cargoroom with mods. Never seen a greater cargospace.
concord battleships make jesus cry.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.14 22:55:00 -
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I would not call the concord battleships battleships. They are the best Far-out-mining ships. With a cargospace of 14000m3 you can mine a lot of bistot. And do not forget you can increase that cargoroom with mods. Never seen a greater cargospace.
concord battleships make jesus cry.
It does explain the deaths of several GMs tho
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.15 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 15/11/2003 00:06:52
Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 15/11/2003 00:04:51
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If you're of the opinion you wouldn't want to participate, fine. That's ALL you had to say. But you had to take it a step further. I don't give Bad Harlequin much credit for anything. But I can give him the credit of answering the question at face value and leaving the rest at the door.
Please forgive me for spoiling yet another "Jash is cool because..." thread. I suppose a thread is "going fine" as long as everyone in it agrees with you, and those that don't either don't post or keep it short and simple.
Maybe if everyone of your threads wasn't a glorified soap box for you to stand on and espouse the glory that is your play style and how everyone else is too stupid to enjoy the game quite like you do, I wouldn't feel so compelled to argue. Your egocentric attitudes about how people "should" play the game never cease to amaze me.
You're like a delluded little teenager, as soon as someone disagrees with you or offers a different opinion it's because they "just don't understand you."
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Why don't you take that little ego of yours and go do what you do best: Mine where there's someone bigger to protect you.
You're not equipped to do anything else. Not mentally, not physically. Mining is just perfect for someone with no clue and no vertebrae.
I love it, accuses me of having an ego, and in the next paragraph says I play the game like I do because I'm not mentally and physically able to play it like him. Who is on a high horse here?
You really need to take some time to get over yourself, dude. If I wanted to do what you did, I would. I don't because I don't want to. I know this will be an impossible concept to allow into your fantasy world where you belong to some elite clique of EVE players who are extra smart and super brave and having soo much more fun than everyone else, but it's the simple sad truth. The only thing that seperates you from the thousands of other people who play exactly like you is that they don't insist on acting like it's the "one true way" and posting on the boards about how they're king hugecock of uberfantastico.
Veruna Caseti
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Dajjal
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Posted - 2003.11.15 00:46:00 -
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FGS shut up veruna
as far as i have seen on these forums u exist purely to argue and bait - especially with jash
i dont agree with him on most things but he posts stuff like this to get people thinking and he does it in a reasonable and civil manner
then along comes the wee runt veruna - yelping and yapping - turning every-gawdam-thread u post in into character assassinations and flame-a-thons while spouting forth your overly opinionated doctrine
can u, just once ffs, accept people play and view the game differently from you?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.15 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 15/11/2003 00:59:29
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can u, just once ffs, accept people play and view the game differently from you?
Befuddling.
The whole point to my frustration with Jash is that he refuses to accept that others view and play the game differently than he, or didn't you bother to actually read my posts before writing this?
You're right, it did start out as an interesting thread, until Jash decided to point out how much cooler the people who agree with him are:
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The people that say "Yes" have 2 things over those who laugh, things that those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
Notice how he says "the people that say 'yes'," also known as "the people who agree with me" or play the game the way I do. For Jash it can't be just a matter of choice, it has to be about the fact that he has something everyone else doesn't, and he's smarter, and "understands" the game better.
So, in short, no I won't shut up. I'm sick of hearing about how everyone who doesn't play like Jash is too stupid and weak for EVE, and every time it comes up I will post to point out what a narrow minded ***** he is.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.15 01:05:00 -
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You're right, it did start out as an interesting thread, until Jash decided to point out how much cooler the people who agree with him are:
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The people that say "Yes" have 2 things over those who laugh, things that those who laugh will never have:
1) The understanding that this is a game.
2) The freedom to have fun because of #1.
Yes, Veruna. In response to you stating:
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I find it highly doubtful you would gain any respect by being known as the guy who dumped 5M+ skillpoints down the drain just for the chance at a little glory or a BP; lots of people would be laughing very hard.
Those people that laugh are far more likely to cry over a loss than anyone that entered such a competition. Nothing about how people play the game. Just about how seriously people take it.
Some people enjoy getting to the destination and some enjoy making the journey. The ones that enjoy the journey would enter a competition like that.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Dajjal
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Posted - 2003.11.15 01:25:00 -
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... or didn't you bother to actually read my posts before writing this?
yes i have...
its u that starts the bi tching and its u that continues it
u cant disagree in a civil manner - u keep prodding away at it till there is an open sore which u then enjoy pouring salt in
people post ideas and thoughts - yes they are slanted to they way they play the game and yes people are free to disagree
but u exist just to cause friction
admittedly u r good at it - but by fu(k - it doesnt mean u should
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