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Olden	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Olden on 27/11/2006 12:57:01 I see that the caldari tier 3 BS is a gunboat Which idiot decided that? I would have agreed if the Amarr Tier 3 was a missile boat but this is plain stupid! Is there something here that I dont see or what? Somebody please explain this.
Ortu Konsinni KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:02:00 - [2] Caldaris don't use only missiles. Hello? The Rokh is the continuation of the railgun tradition of certain Caldari ships: Merlin -> Moa -> Ferox -> ... this last blank needed to be filled, and the Rokh does just that. Caldaris are both a long range turret and a missile race. --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:05:00 - [3] wtf another "OMFG CALDARI TIER3 IZ A RAILBOAT! NOT FAIR!!!1oneone" thread? ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:06:00 - [4] Olden, let me put it to you into perspective... Caldari didn't have a "fleet ship" yet. They needed one. They got it. "Fleet Ship" is a ship capable of instant, long-range damage (rails in this case) and that has (preferably) either a range bonus or a resist bonus. Now they have THE BEST fleet ship in the game, with BOTH an optimal range bonus to the longest-optimal-range weapons in the game, AND a resists bonus to the prefered "tanking" method, shields. So... next person whining about the Ro' gets ho'slapped. _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:07:00 - [5] Thread of the day, tbh
Lagar Caldari Core Domination	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:12:00 - [6] Caldari already have a missile boat.. it's called a RAVEN... it will NOT have another ship of the same role.. and you will not be able to change that.. the only way that BS will become a missile boat is that the raven is removed of it's missile slots ^^
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:12:00 - [7] They still have 4 launchers though. Maelstrom have 3. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:15:00 - [8] Umm.... Every single tier 3, tech I caldari ship except the kestrel is a railboat. Merlin, Moa, and now the Rokh. In addition to the Ferox. If the Rokh would have been a missile boat, THAT would have been idiotic, as it would just obsolete the Raven. As it stands, Caldari have by far the best selection of battleships, one for every role of they're race; a EW boat, a missile boat, and a rail boat.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:16:00 - [9] Seing how clueless or flamebaiting some caldari can be, I admit I can understand people getting heated in the caldari discussions... I for one think Gallente is overpowered and I would actually have prefered playing gallente... Now I'm caldari and not too bad at it - I guess the grass is always more green on the other side. I like the Rokh and people can put 4 nice launchers on it if that helps - thats just as many as the scorp can
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:18:00 - [10] Which makes me think that really, the Merlin should be able to fit 3 turrets. 2 doesnt really make it a gunboat...
Ortu Konsinni KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Which makes me think that really, the Merlin should be able to fit 3 turrets. 2 doesnt really make it a gunboat... Ships like the Merlin with only half of their weapon slots receiving a bonus really do need a fix. --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Pinky Denmark Seing how clueless or flamebaiting some caldari can be, I admit I can understand people getting heated in the caldari discussions... I for one think Gallente is overpowered and I would actually have prefered playing gallente... Now I'm caldari and not too bad at it - I guess the grass is always more green on the other side. I like the Rokh and people can put 4 nice launchers on it if that helps - thats just as many as the scorp can I'm amarr Feels like standing in tsjernobyl looking at the rest of the world ^^
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Lagar Caldari already have a missile boat.. it's called a RAVEN... it will NOT have another ship of the same role.. and you will not be able to change that.. the only way that BS will become a missile boat is that the raven is removed of it's missile slots ^^ can we remove the APOC then ? lol its complete worthless now :) The Master Of Chaos
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.27 13:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Olden Edited by: Olden on 27/11/2006 12:57:01 I see that the caldari tier 3 BS is a gunboat Which idiot decided that? I would have agreed if the Amarr Tier 3 was a missile boat but this is plain stupid! Is there something here that I dont see or what? Somebody please explain this. The idiot is you I'm afraid In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Peter Stuyvesant Which makes me think that really, the Merlin should be able to fit 3 turrets. 2 doesnt really make it a gunboat... I agree. Other than its bonus it is no more a turret ship than a Raven.
Olden	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:10:00 - [16] Hmmm.....I see your point but it doesnt mean I have to like it :) As I look at it and its attribut I like it but with my gunnery skills it feels a bit useless. I'm sorry for complaining about something old, but havent have time to read the forum much lately. I tried to see if there where any other posts about this but couldnt find any. But ok. I can train gunnery. The ship seem realy cool so why not :) But wouldnt the amar tier 2 and 3 be mostly the same?
Swirler	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:29:00 - [17] It really doesn't matter what long range guns or missiles you put on your Battleship. Me and my buddies in frigates and cruisers will take you down in about 30 seconds. 8-) Nothing is better then watching 10 frigates and cruisers kill a T2 fitted Battleship...aaaahhhh.
Ciphero KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:30:00 - [18] ... Oh noes, the Gallente drone *****s will have to train hybrids? Oh noes, the Minnie armour tankers will have to train for shield boosters? Oh noes, nobody's too excited about the Abaddon anyway. No race uses one technology and nothing else. If you've trained no hybrid skills and expect to fly a decent range of Caldari ships then, frankly, you're at fault. Gunnery 5 is only 4-5 days ;)
Ortu Konsinni KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Olden Hmmm.....I see your point but it doesnt mean I have to like it :) As I look at it and its attribut I like it but with my gunnery skills it feels a bit useless. I'm sorry for complaining about something old, but havent have time to read the forum much lately. I tried to see if there where any other posts about this but couldnt find any. But ok. I can train gunnery. The ship seem realy cool so why not :) You don't have to train for the Rokh. The Rokh fills a role and you're free to train for it or not. If you're a mission runner/NPC hunter or whatever, stick to your missiles and the Raven, don't even bother with the Rokh. If you're ever planning on getting into fleet battles, then the Rokh and related gunnery skills will serve you well. Quote: But wouldnt the amar tier 2 and 3 be mostly the same? I'm no Amarr specialist, but yes, I feel that you're right, the Apocalypse and the Abaddon are very similar ships, just with slightly different bonuses. That's just the thing with the Amarrian race in my opinion, though: boring, laser-toting ships is all they have besides a handful of exceptions that do different things (e.g. Inquisitor (lol), Arbitrator (good stuff), etc). --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Krulla Umm.... Every single tier 3, tech I caldari ship except the kestrel is a railboat. Merlin, Moa, and now the Rokh. In addition to the Ferox. If the Rokh would have been a missile boat, THAT would have been idiotic, as it would just obsolete the Raven. As it stands, Caldari have by far the best selection of battleships, one for every role of they're race; a EW boat, a missile boat, and a rail boat. Think you better stick to the minmatar ships. A bit ignorant to see the caracal as a gunboat. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Olden Hmmm.....I see your point but it doesnt mean I have to like it :) As I look at it and its attribut I like it but with my gunnery skills it feels a bit useless. I'm sorry for complaining about something old, but havent have time to read the forum much lately. I tried to see if there where any other posts about this but couldnt find any. But ok. I can train gunnery. The ship seem realy cool so why not :) But wouldnt the amar tier 2 and 3 be mostly the same? yeah, both utterly useless
Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Peter Stuyvesant on 27/11/2006 14:51:52 Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako Originally by: Krulla Umm.... Every single tier 3, tech I caldari ship except the kestrel is a railboat. Merlin, Moa, and now the Rokh. In addition to the Ferox. If the Rokh would have been a missile boat, THAT would have been idiotic, as it would just obsolete the Raven. As it stands, Caldari have by far the best selection of battleships, one for every role of they're race; a EW boat, a missile boat, and a rail boat. Think you better stick to the minmatar ships. A bit ignorant to see the caracal as a gunboat. Caracal is tier 2. Edit just to make my post different from the guy above me ;-P
Lock out Bald Industrial Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako Originally by: Krulla Umm.... Every single tier 3, tech I caldari ship except the kestrel is a railboat. Merlin, Moa, and now the Rokh. In addition to the Ferox. If the Rokh would have been a missile boat, THAT would have been idiotic, as it would just obsolete the Raven. As it stands, Caldari have by far the best selection of battleships, one for every role of they're race; a EW boat, a missile boat, and a rail boat. Think you better stick to the minmatar ships. A bit ignorant to see the caracal as a gunboat. Caracal is tier 2.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.27 16:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor They still have 4 launchers though. Maelstrom have 3. Sorry Jim, but minmatar whining just hit a new low Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Lagar Caldari Core Domination	Posted - 2006.11.27 16:12:00 - [25] Originally by: LordChaos Originally by: Lagar Caldari already have a missile boat.. it's called a RAVEN... it will NOT have another ship of the same role.. and you will not be able to change that.. the only way that BS will become a missile boat is that the raven is removed of it's missile slots ^^ can we remove the APOC then ? lol its complete worthless now :) well thats exactly why i stated this example.. we should not remove ships just beceause they dont fit our pleasures...
Olden	Posted - 2006.11.27 16:21:00 - [26] The more I think about it the more I like the Rokh. I got a little upset at start but your arguments are beginning to make logic. I see that a Caldari Turret ship would be useful. I know I dont have to train turrets but well.....I like the ship more and more. But I still feel that amarr Tier 3 was a bit boring ;) They didnt actually get anything they needed the way I see it. Seems like my whining has changed to curiosity instead
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.11.27 16:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Jim McGregor They still have 4 launchers though. Maelstrom have 3. Sorry Jim, but minmatar whining just hit a new low Im just pointing out the systematic repression of the minmatar republic ship design... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:26:00 - [28] There are caldari railships at every 'level' except battleship. Now, this gap is filled. Obvious choice, obvious need. Who cares about another missile ship? Raven's already got that one down.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:45:00 - [29] Why would you want another missile ship? Every other race got screwed by Tier 3, not Caldari, they kept their missile ship that has a dozen of good setups and gained a ship that does something completly different with the same skills instead of getting another ship that uses missiles and therefore can only be different from the other by reducing your choice in sensible setups on both ships.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.27 19:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Olden Edited by: Olden on 27/11/2006 12:57:01 I see that the caldari tier 3 BS is a gunboat Which idiot decided that? I would have agreed if the Amarr Tier 3 was a missile boat but this is plain stupid! Is there something here that I dont see or what? Somebody please explain this. It's posts like this that make me all warm and fuzzy inside... Because I said so...
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:11:00 - [31] Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako Originally by: Krulla Umm.... Every single tier 3, tech I caldari ship except the kestrel is a railboat. Merlin, Moa, and now the Rokh. In addition to the Ferox. If the Rokh would have been a missile boat, THAT would have been idiotic, as it would just obsolete the Raven. As it stands, Caldari have by far the best selection of battleships, one for every role of they're race; a EW boat, a missile boat, and a rail boat. Think you better stick to the minmatar ships. A bit ignorant to see the caracal as a gunboat. I suppose pointing this out to you for the third time is a waste of space, but the caracal is tier 2. Just like the raven. Also, Matari? Never. I'm a gallente specialist.
Free Mason	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Lagar Caldari already have a missile boat.. it's called a RAVEN... it will NOT have another ship of the same role.. and you will not be able to change that.. the only way that BS will become a missile boat is that the raven is removed of it's missile slots ^^ Listen to the man he knows...raven is already the missile boat why would you want another? I meen all the other races got totally new tier 3's too. Take the abbaddon for example its a totally redesigned idea for amarr. Laser rof AND resistance sheesh noone saw that coming. And minmatar..holly heck 8 arti's doing the same damage as a tempy... and the gal get a totally new ship a blaster boat... I mean yeah I guess the caldari did get the shaft eh. A new type of ship... lets change all the caldari ships into raven variations. (for thoes still in confusion I am joking)
Nybbas Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Lagar Caldari already have a missile boat.. it's called a RAVEN... it will NOT have another ship of the same role.. and you will not be able to change that.. the only way that BS will become a missile boat is that the raven is removed of it's missile slots ^^ yeah exactly caldari already have a missile boat so of course their tier 3 couldnt be just like the tier two but a little bit different.... that would be ridiculous, what would be the point of having a tier three then? (I do agree with you on this) wait a second... What about the hyperion and the megathron then? megathron... its a blasterboat/rail platform... hyperion... its a ... blasterboat/rail platform.. wait a second? wtf?
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Olden Edited by: Olden on 27/11/2006 12:57:01 I see that the caldari tier 3 BS is a gunboat Which idiot decided that? I would have agreed if the Amarr Tier 3 was a missile boat but this is plain stupid! Is there something here that I dont see or what? Somebody please explain this. Yeh First the force u to leurn missile skils . all the nice caldari ships use them and then the come up with this . I wil never ever use this stoopit ship . 500 - Internal Error The server was unable to process your request. Support personel has been notified, no further action is needed.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:42:00 - [35] caldari rail BS is a great idea, not only does it boost the fleet abilities for caldari players but it will make for a nice passive tanker BS that follows in the tradition of the Ferox battlecruiser.
David Lloyd	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:56:00 - [36] It would be so funny if the Rokh worked better with missile like the Ferox... Actually... No it won't...
Wat0721 GalacTECH Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:04:00 - [37] Originally by: David Lloyd It would be so funny if the Rokh worked better with missile like the Ferox... Actually... No it won't... 4 NOS. 4 Siege Launchers. Shield tank (passive? Where the heck is pottsey?) in the mids. Istabs + nanos in the lows. What the heck does the Rokh need 4 launchers for with 8 turrets? ...And can the Typhoon get 6/6 turret/launcher love? ---
Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Dano Sarum on 30/11/2006 01:27:52 Rokh nos / launcher setups with its resits make it stupidly powerfull and needs to be nerfed to oblivion. I'd say kill two launcher slots on the rokh, give them to apoc ;). Also remove some luancher slots on ferox and add maybe another turret one. Anyhow seriously you caldari guys need to stop whining, the Rokh is THE BS in eve now, lets look at what we've got shall we? Best tanker in the game bar none right now, longest range sniper ship in the game bar none too right now, even with its resists up close you can fit blasters or the nos / launcher combo and own all other BS simply due to outlasting them. Not to mention it looks really really really pretty... oh also now you're "Imba ECM" crap has been limited to basicly Caldari only... and **** lets not even get started on the moronicness of the drake and HAM's. __________ It's great being Amarr, aint it? Easy "Gistii" items / easy money.
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.30 01:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker caldari rail BS is a great idea, not only does it boost the fleet abilities for caldari players but it will make for a nice passive tanker BS that follows in the tradition of the Ferox battlecruiser. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caldari LASER BS is a great idea, not only does it boost the fleet abilities for caldari players but it will make for a nice passive tanker BS that follows in the tradition of the CCP nerfing missile users. Trust me the next 1 wil be laser :) 500 - Internal Error The server was unable to process your request. Support personel has been notified, no further action is needed.

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